Body Or Arms Feel Golf Swing: Which is Right For You?
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- Golf swing technique that is ideal for you in the sense of a body feel golf swing that is more guided with the larger muscles or a golf swing that is more about flow and feel and allowing gravity to help you.. FREE Series for golf lessons www.theartofsimplegolf.com/free
This golf lesson video from Alex Fortey will help you understand the difference and apply it to your own game so you can improve consistency and trust. Are you more like a Tiger Woods or A Fred Couples. More like Greg Norman or Colin Montgomerie.
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Crackin’ video!! Well done!!
Thanks for the clear explanation of the differences between the arm and the body golf swing.
Glad to help
this is the best video to explain the arm vs body golf swing i have ever seen. Thank you
Wow, thanks!
Great ideas and concepts - a good look at long standing dilemma and all of us mixing and matching parts and pieces of each. Thanks
Glad to hear it! We covered it a more recent video in a different focus too;)
Excellent tip as always, Alex.
It's really helpful Alex you mentioning the chest and core feel in the body swing and activating the side of the chest muscles.(the side bend) and the left shoulder moving down. I can definitely get into that correct position. Keep using feels in your teaching it underpins the move
Thank you
John
Sounds like yo are on the right path with the feels that resonate with you. keep at it!
Excellent video!!
Another great lesson. Explained in a manner that makes sense. Awesome.
Glad to hear it and hope it helps!
Great video ,I concur,first Ive seen!!Nice Swings,well explained, leave it to player to decide 🤗
Thanks!
I'm using my arms and hands swing hitting my driver for longer distance and body rotation for 100 yards less for better accuracy.
Strong grip for all long iron,driver and woods but neutral grip for 9 and all the wedges
This was a truly excellent video. Thank you.
Hope it’s what you were looking for and it helps you specifically!
Love that arm swing. Especially with irons, the contact and compression well have folks peeking up at you on the range.
very very simple teaching thanks
Glad to hear it as it’s the goal
I am so glad I watched this video. I have very long torso and very short legs (30 inches). (weight 220 lbs) It is extremely hard for me to maintain balance with such a large torso in comparsion to legs unless i have a extremely wide stance and this helps. In any case, never feel in control and my arms are always wanting to hit the ball first. I have practiced this a little so far and makes sense. Especially now that I know that body swing is not the only way.
If I am ever to reduce my handicap below 22, something has to happen and I think this may finally keep in control by swing my arms (which is what i feel i can control, not this overly large torso)
Large torso is really a nice base for a smooth and strong arm swing. Hope you're having success
Great vlog, so glad someone did a comparison between the two! Re CM, did he aim down the left with a slightly open face at set up? or did he aim slightly left knowing his natural swing would fade the ball? he always talks about taking left side of course out of play! Caught in the middle, but re fade don't want to get too caught up in technical side, want to feel natural moving forward
This is LEGIT!
Best video yet
Thanks and Hope it helps you!
Is it possible to be a combination of both? I have a feeling I am some kind of hybrid - with my driver in particular I think I am more body than arm, I have a nice "power fade" with my driver using a body swing and feeling like I'm holding off with the arms. But with full swings using my shorter irons especially, from say a 7 down, I get quite army I think.
True that saw tiger and Monty play live and was very impressed with Monty pured his irons
I did too a World Matchplay
@@TheArtofSimpleGolf the grove golf club 2006 I was there on Thursday tiger won it
Thanks for the vid, really good. For me, a mixture of 1. my swing being lead or pivoting around the lead hip but 2. being very aware of the weight of the club head - makes for a good combo. I remember reading an article where Jack Nicklaus helped a pro on the range after watching him for a while by asking him to feel where the club head is. I think the guy was spraying it right and Jack could see he had no "connection" with the implement he had in his hands. Like he was forcing it. I remembered that article and it helps. I recommend even shutting your eyes and "feeling" the club before you move in to address. Anyway, really good vid. Thank you.
That's a great anecdote! We have a video on eyes closed:) czcams.com/video/DxQb_JtG5kY/video.html
@@TheArtofSimpleGolf Thanks. That's so funny, I had no idea you had made that video :) Just watched it, so good. You said so well 1. Target infused in my brain and then 2. Intermediate spot to swing through 3. Feeeeeel the swing to execute it. Crystal clear. And in the end you don;t have to think all this, you just "picture" it. Bingo. So much weight off the shoulders. And so funny you mention the guy it helped being an Aussie. That makes two now!! :) :) Cheers from Aussie land.
This is iT thank you
Hope it helps.. IT :)
Took this thought of swing (arms only) out today and hit better straighter shots not thinking about hips at all , I concentrated on a more gravity based sling it through Colin Montgomery type look , I'm sticking with it !
Excellent! Well done and keep at it:)
@@TheArtofSimpleGolf you mention making your clubs heavier, I have light shafts on my srixon 565s should I get heavier shafts or add tape maybe to my clubheads? Thanks
im a right hand swinger it jut feel right to me and i gain more control when i heard years ago people use to say o e its all in the hips and then later its all core and body and tried for a year but got so bad then i finaily got back me my hand swing and im hitting draws that i wanted a draw is what i see and i only hit that shot never hit a fade unless my life depends on it this video was very helpfull mainly just want to see more coaches make vids like this and not say only one way to swing and if you dont do it there way your never getting better its almost like we have watched videos in slow motion and focuses on the postions and absesed over them that if we get there like ben hogan we some how are going to hit that ball perfect i know that sounds funny but thats the way it is for some people teaching would love to hear more vids like this one love to hear hit keep up the nice work.
Sounds like you are finding your path as it were. Well done and appreciate the nice feedback and comment
I think this video has cemented in my mind to pursue the 2nd swing, I find with a rotational swing I hit the tie of the club far to often, I seem to add ball speed and get better strikes from a more arm based swing
Toe of the club not tie
That’s great to hear! Find your swing and trust it. Work on our principles to improve but also always keep your swing
I’m just the opposite. I’ve struggled hitting the heel for YEARS now with a body based swing, but confirmed it’s easier to get to a balanced finish finally with an arm swing. That unfortunately that was about a half hour ago and I’m already 50. Better late than never I guess. Can’t stand to see the ball go right or feel that feeling of shanking a golf ball!
I worked on the body swing for over a year and I had the same exact issue, toe shots with irons more than half the time and I lose so much distance. I just went back to an arm swing and now I pure it every time besides the occasional thin shot. But even my thin shots aren’t severe and still on target. Went from mid 80s to mid 70s just by changing back to an arm swing. Never going back
I find it sometimes hard to maintain using the body tilt, during play I tend to slip into rotation
two key words easy peasy!!
Indeed!
Very good
Cheers
Eye opener
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I used to be a bad “flipper” and I worked the last 2 years trying to learn the body swing. I was able to get it to work on and off but was so inconsistent. Well 3 weeks ago I went back to just a basic pendulum feeling arm swing and I no joke went from shooting in the mid to high 80s to shooting in the 70s with my best round ever (72). I have way better path awareness and clubface control at impact. Idc if it doesn’t look as pretty anymore, my distance is still very good if not better and I’m actually hitting a lower better ball flight with my drives. Have no reason to go back and it’s less straining on the body. I’ve found all that really matters is where your path and face are at impact and you still have good distance. I just have way more control and feel with the arm swing. I just used to think it was wrong
Sorry I missed this. Wry happy to hear you found your feels again. Well done and keep at it.
Thanks you for making this video 7:03/9:40 improve my swing
Great! Hope you enjoy and benefit from others on the channel and the website too
I try for iron so good driver should try this tip or not appreciate that
So true
Thanks
Excellent video as usual Alex. I'm 40 y old, playing for 10 years now, 9 hcp, and former tennis player as you. I can play both way, mutch more better feeling playing with arms, but better results playing with my body. Wich should I choose?
Mat, France.
This is me as well
Outstanding video and great explanation. I think I am clearly an arm swinger that wants to be a more rotational swinger and I am fighting against type. You should do a video on the differences in squaring the face for each swing. Please...
Will do!!
I'm a body swinger and I'd love to be an arm swinger. I'd love to be able to feel the weight of the club, invariably I end up gripping to hard and body heaving it. The fear of the shot prevents any relaxation and looseness.
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The Montgomery swing is based on the old school swing and it still makes sense. Maybe not for me tho who is 5’8” and 220 barrel chested.
Here's the thing.. you can still add more flow and blend it a little.
Just identifying that there is two "types" of swings clarified what confused me for years. Instructors kept teaching me the L to L wrist hinge type of swing. I am a much better body swinger. I consciously keep my arms and wrists out of my swing and hit with a body turn leading with my hips. I know my wrists and arms play a role, but it feels like they do not. Thank you for making it clear! Love it!
Exactly the goal of this overview lesson. Glad to hear it resolved a couple of things for you:)
I’ve found that by getting the arms to come down on plane and getting in front of me I can compress the ball better. The body is still rotating but I can stay behind the ball way better. Before I struggled with too much upper body rotation resulting in a slight over the top move!
That’s sounds like you have found an ideal balance. Well done!
@@TheArtofSimpleGolf for now, you know how feels come and go. One day shot a 75, next day 85! But his does seem more "natural' way for me to start the swing. Way less thought, body just reacts to the swing. Weight of the club head dropping on the back of the ball.
@@gordontucker055 yes exactly!! It really is. I know pga pros (many of them) are more or less static.. but they ingrain it hours a day. And it’s somewhat paradigm blindness in coaching.
I switched to arm/club swing a couple weeks ago and am so much more consistently straight, but did lose almost a club in distance. I am fine with that, but still hit the ball incredibly high. They are majestic, but fatal with any wind. Any ideas/drills to lower flight as an arm/club swinger?
Just feel a little more hands ahead and be sure you are still using the lead leg into ground at impact.. not just flipping it as it were with the arms
is there a combination of this with the inverted k ? my old coach passed away and i still have his lesson plan but a little confused. he wanted me to turn my upper trunk and to feel the weight of the club head
The K is to aid pivot. The swing should feel shorter. But allow soft arms
I've converted to an arm swing, its easier on my body, seems simpler, and you said I won't have to practice as much!
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Congrats on clarity and presentation. Something clicked when I felt I was using my right arm to throw the leading side of my left wrist down and towards target
Thanks and hope it goes well!
The Art of Simple Golf I’m one of those guys who’s naturally left handed playing Righty so trying to make a stone skipping throw with my Rt hand is a work in progress
@@thomasstark2549 POk, so you need to get a tennis racket, or ping pong bat... Use backhand release feel. That's a great advantage to have when you know how to use it. I actually have a video coming this week on backhand tennis golf swings
More on this arm easy swing
We have some lessons on here that do. Look at several in the past year
This is an important video. Would you say the arms swing is more of a sling it back with the body(staying loose) to create the backswing instead of trying to control it with the arms? Thx
Yep!
Do any of your other videos apply to the Colin Montgomery swing?
He gets mentioned I’m sure I’m a few but nothing specific. Throwing the takeaway back etc with loose wrists can help
I recently changed from a body swing (rotary) to arm swing. I have much better club path awareness and better low point control. I think the theory of a body swing being more consistent hasn't been confirmed by me! As for distance, it's no contest, arm swing is much longer. One thing not often mentioned is the need do a swing for 18 holes. Body driven swing seems to go "off the rails" on the back nine. Thanks for the content!
Thanks for the comment and it sounds like you are on the right rd!! Keep at it
I 100% agree with you on this. So I used to be a bad flipper and I worked the last 2 years trying to learn the body swing. I was able to get it to work on and off but was so inconsistent. Well 3 weeks ago I went back to just a basic pendulum feeling arm swing and I no joke went from shooting in the mid to high 80s to shooting in the 70s with my best rounder ever (72). I have way better path awareness and clubface control at impact. Idc if it doesn’t look as pretty anymore, my distance is still very good if not better and I’m actually hitting a lower better ball flight with my drives. Have no reason to go back and it’s less straining on the body. I’ve found all that really matters is where your path and face are at impact and you still have good distance. I just have way more control and feel with the arm swing. I just used to think it was wrong.
Which type is better for spine issues? I have experimental with both . What you think ?
It's hard to say conclusively.. if I would suggest one... the more free flowing. With some added core stability. But allowing hips and lower back to be in unison.
I don’t feel that I have the natural talent to arm swing. But...with the body swing do you advocate keeping the arms close to the body (the towel drill)? Whilst it increases consistency, to me it feels restrictive and less powerful
Most drills are good for a while if the problem is there... But more flow is always a good goal. Sorry for very slow reply. Comments get lost at times.
I think I'm more of the arms only type, I've had a few people tell me that I don't rotate enough, but I've found that If I try and rotate like they tell me then my shots become very sloppy, but if I go arms only my shots tend to be a lot straighter, but have less distance to them, is there a way to get more distance with an arms only swing?
So the don’t turn your shoulders video and look out for ew one on Monday with the driver !
buenas la verdad imprecionante video me gusto deseo el siguiente éxito me retiro les envio besitos muchas gracias
With a body swing my swing path goes way inside. Not sure the feeling to counteract that. Any tips?
You may be just too clamped with arms to body. You still want release and the sensation of throwing under arm. We have a video on “low and left. “ it’s about magi g the relation with hips too.
Hard for me to stick with it, because I always want to slam it........ But, when I can have a few relaxed and loose "let the club do it's thing" swings, it works SO WELL every time. And no, slamming it NEVER works, but golf is a mental game, and I ain't got no good mental capacity, derr herr....
dredger9mm lol right there with ya
Would you say the Colin Montgomerie swing is easier on the back? Thanks!
Yes indeed
Shawn Clements Swinging heavy arm club unit?
This is more about body feel vs arm feel. Shawn discusses a lot about body and arms timing. This video is meant to help before that really so folks can get what is more their primary feel that is natural to them and effective too.
How do you combine body and hands swing? Can you name a pga pro and a lpga pro who combines them well?
A lot of them. I could name so many but Cantlay, Rory, Louis Oosthuizen, Korda, David Toms, Els…
Structure but flow
One question: with the Arms swing the downswing still has to be started with the lower body? In other words that sequence remains the same?
It depends on your tendency. If it’s to spin with shoulders over the top, dropping the arms is a good feel and then the sequence
Besides your heavy arm video are their others that are more arm video and not body? I think for amateurs who can't practice all the time a momentum, arms swing is better.
Which one is longer in distance?
It’s different for an Individual.
I'm an arm swinger, how do I hit long drives?
You can no promplen. Just feel like you get out of your own way with the body
is the body swing easier on the back
Not in my experience - age 62 and stiff back, switched to arm swing and much better - relaxation all the way up to the shoulders is the key.
when I try the body swing, returning my left hip to "square" causes my swing to go outside in. are you saying that you control the body swing with the core rather than the hips?
Yes indeed. And legs
I do best concentrating on shoulder turn and letting the body do its thing. Body swing does not work for me.
Well keep at it !
And one more question: I guess you still are turning your hips and shoulders with the aem swing. How is this interaction working?
Yes indeed. It’s a feeling of simply those parts getting out of the way so your arms don’t hit into when swinging.
Thanks, that makes sense
Right or wrong I'm more of an arms guy. Been doing it this way for 50+ years. If I had it to do all over again the body swing would be the way I would go. I think I would be a better ball striker.
Don’t be so sure. But maybe try and blend a little more body sequence and see how you go:)
@@TheArtofSimpleGolf I'm not saying I have no body movement. But my arms triggers the swing and the body follows as part of the overall swing. As you stated with Colin Montgomerie.
I find golfers 5'10" and under are body swingers and golfers 6'2" and over are arm swingers
I would say that’s a decent generalization.
I'm 6'0" and find that I have the qualities of both. I find my timing by letting my arms bounce off my chest and drop wide with gravity in the downswing. But I still have a lot of body rotation.
@@sshadow2 that sounds good to me!
Kinda feel like this is coming at the same thing from both sides. I try to use my body to pull the club through, and it's helped by gravity after it lolls up for a second.
Either way it's not an arm swing where you're actively powering the club through with your arms, and avoiding that is the most important thing for me.
I think the monty swing is more suited to the taller players - the core swing relates to us shorter players
That's a decent rule of thumb but still very personal.
Nobody hits the ball with so much ease.
Although I subscribe to a body-swing, I don't think it's an either/or. Watch the pros that say they have an arms swing and you will see them use their body! Certainly don't want to find my Colin Montgomerie swing - this would mean being a COMPLETE SOURPUSS before, during and after the round!