Pilot Makes Tragic Mistake on Family Vacation Flight!

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  • čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
  • This pilot made a tragic mistake while taking his family on a vacation and it was absolutely heartbreaking. My hope is that other pilots never make this mistake and we are able to learn from this terrible tragedy.
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  • @pilot-debrief
    @pilot-debrief  Před měsícem +970

    The forces generated by Jason’s rapid flight control movements, due to his spatial disorientation, exceeded the structural limits of the aircraft and it broke apart in flight.
    I have three children and that made this a very tough debrief. Thank you to everyone that support this channel, especially those of you on Patreon and my channel members. My hope is this video and the work I do helps to prevent future tragedies.
    If you want to learn more about the tragic mistakes that an airline pilot made on his honeymoon flight, then check out this video here: 👉 czcams.com/video/EbRqORwifvc/video.html

    • @gd4997
      @gd4997 Před měsícem +102

      Thank you. I could see your emotion.

    • @stevengallant6363
      @stevengallant6363 Před měsícem +37

      I'm not a Pilot & I know little about aviation. I really can't comprehend why a Pilot would not get their IFR rating & why would an unpressurized plane only have 3 oxygen masks when it seats 6. That blows my mind especially when the family is involved. I wish I had the skill (& nerve) to be a Pilot. It such a shame that so much of this is preventable. Hoover thanks for the videos & debriefs. I just imagine they might save a life

    • @KenFullman
      @KenFullman Před měsícem +24

      Bearing in mind that even the most safety conscious pilot can occasionaly find themselves unintentionally in weather, would it not be an idea to, mandate that all pilots obtain their instrument rating within a certain timeframe (maybe 2 years) upon getting their licence? It seems to me that, had this accident never occured, sooner or later a similar situation would arrise for this pilot. If he's not even taking any further training towards his instrument rating, he's never going to be any better at handling the situation than he was at this time. Seems it's just an accident waiting to happen.

    • @stevengallant6363
      @stevengallant6363 Před měsícem +26

      @@KenFullman Exactly. IFR needs to be mandatory within a certain time period. I don't understand why a Pilot wouldn't want to voluntary obtain every skill rating possible? After all it could make the difference between life & death.

    • @dboss7239
      @dboss7239 Před měsícem +46

      @@KenFullman Not really a valid argument. A competent and level headed VFR only pilot will not find themselves in this situation, as Hoover points out the cumulative bad/wrong decisions of this pilot. And second, many, many GA aircraft do not have the required equipment to be able to fly IFR, so the idea of mandating IFR ratings is irrelevant if you only fly a plane that does not have the required instrumentation for IFR. ( bad decision chain - he didn't get training on this aircraft, or it's autopilot, he didn't comprehend the AirMET, he flew into deteriorating conditions with multiple pilot reports that the conditions were beyond his or his plane's capabilities and still did not turn around. And last he did not come clean with ATC and ask for help once he got in too deep as Hoover points out.)

  • @Clancytheastronaut
    @Clancytheastronaut Před měsícem +1559

    Air traffic controller here. Your videos not only offer valuable insight for pilots, I've found them very useful for my job as well. Every video you release helps me see things from the pilots perspective and helps me find ways I can improve my job performance. As a father myself, this one wasn't easy to watch, but the insight you provide will help many. Thank you for what you do, and sincere condolences to the Price family.

    • @glasshalffull2930
      @glasshalffull2930 Před měsícem +30

      I’m curious as to whether an ATC would ‘assume’ that this pilot would have an instrument rating because of the high performance aircraft he was flying? Would an ATC even ask if a pilot was instrument rated as he was getting into an instrument environment?

    • @igclapp
      @igclapp Před měsícem +37

      ​@@glasshalffull2930They will sometimes ask if they have a doubt. It's not to prevent the pilot from flying on instruments but rather so ATC knows they have to give extra attention to help the pilot.

    • @Cersilaria22
      @Cersilaria22 Před měsícem +16

      I’m just curious if ok to ask how long is your training ?? I can’t imagine how you can manage all those planes and souls on board so safely day after day you guys don’t get enough credit imo ❤❤

    • @thundermustard
      @thundermustard Před měsícem +1

      I am a retired controller. I generally would have asked if he is IFR rated prior to offering. Ultimately not the controller's fault but I wonder if the FAA brought it up.

    • @Jagrofes
      @Jagrofes Před měsícem +11

      Stay safe out there bud, I hear it’s a tough job.

  • @realtoast7036
    @realtoast7036 Před měsícem +302

    I once asked my instructor, What causes most accidents? His answer was, Get-there-itus.

    • @chrisemerson7743
      @chrisemerson7743 Před 29 dny +15

      You wouldn't believe the folks that will stretch their fuel to the last drop! Thinking they can go another 15-20mi to so and so airport. Never thinking about who's onboard, their weight, the weight of their bags and how it affects the distance they can travel. That 20mi just dropped to 7 because they forgot about all the "duty free" alcohol they've brought back on their trip! Happens a lot!

    • @marcwesley8513
      @marcwesley8513 Před 29 dny +12

      Pilots EGO and Complacency…..

    • @calvinnickel9995
      @calvinnickel9995 Před 28 dny +3

      It’s not just get-there-itis.
      Get-there-itis can easily be defused by having an open-ended approach to things. “It’s not a big deal!” “I can turn around if I need to.” “I’m just going for a looky loo.”
      It’s get-HOME-itis that is fatal. Now you are under pressure. Time pressure to get back home. Maybe pressure to get back to work or tasks. Financial pressure as every day you spend in a hotel with the plane parked at an FBO is costly.

    • @AndrewGrey22
      @AndrewGrey22 Před 28 dny +6

      Don't rely on flying if it's somewhere you HAVE to get to. It's too unpredictable. Esp. with light aircraft.

    • @Snakepliskin76
      @Snakepliskin76 Před 27 dny +1

      He's not wrong

  • @gilmotier
    @gilmotier Před 29 dny +241

    Being able to admit your weaknesses and faults and ask for help is such a valuable, underrated life skill.

    • @wilsjane
      @wilsjane Před 27 dny +7

      I agree. By asking for help in plenty of time, then absorbing what you are doing also improves your skills at the same time.

    • @paullelys161
      @paullelys161 Před 26 dny +2

      @@wilsjane Always learning and willing to gain more information is a good thing even when you think you know it all.

    • @wilsjane
      @wilsjane Před 26 dny

      @@paullelys161 I am a chartered engineer and at the age of 75, I still come across something new almost every week.
      Most of the guys who know it all, could write it down on the back of a cigarette packet. I worked with one of them during the refurbishment of Heathrow and I am lucky to have any hair left. LOL

    • @djsmith5510
      @djsmith5510 Před 25 dny +2

      I agree and personally have gained so much because I'm willing to ask questions. It's always better to know as much as possible in whatever you do but I guess it is a life skill given that so many people are unable to do it.

    • @kathyh4804
      @kathyh4804 Před 24 dny +3

      Amen! Pride cometh before a fall

  • @RobertMoser
    @RobertMoser Před 24 dny +101

    Jason was an old high school friend of mine. It shook all of us when this happened, and I've wondered for years about what actually happened that day. It was a shock to see his final flight covered here, but I am grateful for it. Thank you for treating this with professionalism and compassion. I can tell that you care, and I truly appreciate it.

    • @vencap11
      @vencap11 Před 21 dnem +10

      Jason entered the clouds and lost situation awareness in an environment he wasn't trained, and killed himself and entire family for a vacation.🤕

    • @willywillywillywillywilly
      @willywillywillywillywilly Před 20 dny +35

      @@vencap11 It’s crass and unnecessary to say something like that to someone who’s seen the video and personally knows the deceased.

    • @iloveschicken6527
      @iloveschicken6527 Před 19 dny +14

      ​​@@willywillywillywillywilly Facts are facts! Facts don't care about your feelings! Truth saves lives!

    • @BlackDiamondYoutub
      @BlackDiamondYoutub Před 14 dny +21

      ​@iloveschicken6527 yeah. That's what the video is there for. Stating the same facts that we all just watched to this guys friend and without the least consideration... that's just being an asshole. Didn't save anyone, and neither did your comment defending him.

    • @TCPUDPATM
      @TCPUDPATM Před 10 dny

      @@vencap11And you are an insensitive prick, captain obvious.

  • @geoffreylee5199
    @geoffreylee5199 Před měsícem +1409

    From many of these sad stories, I have learned that just because you can get a pilot licence, doesn’t mean you should.

    • @barfbot
      @barfbot Před měsícem +45

      like most things in life

    • @Three-LeggedCat
      @Three-LeggedCat Před měsícem +103

      That's a really weak way to think. One should strive for wisdom and experience in multiple fields. If someone so chooses to become a pilot, good for them, however, they need to dedicate lots of time to its mastery. Don't be a wuss

    • @Zyo117
      @Zyo117 Před měsícem +52

      As someone who probably won't ever be able to afford getting a pilot's license with the modern economy and wages, it's both funny and irritating seeing stories about Richie people crashing their planes because of not respecting the skill and danger management that flying needs.

    • @DMBFREAKNLK
      @DMBFREAKNLK Před měsícem +42

      The same could be said for incompetent drivers behind the wheel of a car. There are far more of those.

    • @your_royal_highness
      @your_royal_highness Před měsícem +69

      I was shocked when the guy handed me my license. I thought I had screwed up. He did say “this is a license to learn.” I stopped after about 130 hours because I felt I was not on top of the skill set needed. I could not fly often enough and frankly my training was not great; I never felt like I could deal with a spin as one important example.

  • @Chrisovideos
    @Chrisovideos Před měsícem +371

    These videos always make me thankful for every time I've told my passengers, "Sorry... not going today", or "Well... this flight is going to be shorter than I had promised" or "Hopefully next Saturday will be nicer", or "Just a bit too windy for my little plane today" or "Oh well, It's really just about as fast to drive there anyway" and so on....

    • @Riverrockphotos
      @Riverrockphotos Před 29 dny +12

      Better to be safe than in this type of a problem.

    • @calvinnickel9995
      @calvinnickel9995 Před 29 dny +14

      You sir, are an awesome pilot!
      I will fly with a pilot that exercises sound pilot decision making skills any day over one with golden hands and feet.
      And the thing is, people appreciate when pilots say no. The pressure to perform is often self-induced.

    • @devonwilliams2423
      @devonwilliams2423 Před 29 dny +3

      When you send those texts make sure to include this video or a video that has similar variables
      If I was a customer and got text I’d be peeved but a video to press your point I’d be buying you dinner haha

    • @ralphholiman7401
      @ralphholiman7401 Před 28 dny +5

      And, as a passenger, sometimes the smartest thing you can do is to say, "I'm not getting on that aircraft." If things aren't looking right, better to walk.

    • @rule1dontgosplat
      @rule1dontgosplat Před 28 dny +14

      One of the paramotor guys i watch said “if your attitude before the flight isn’t ‘F..k Yeah I’m Ready!’ then don’t go.”
      I totally agree. At this point I’ve gone to the airport and not flown as many times as i’ve gone and flown. Better to be on the ground wishing you were flying, than in the air wishing you were on the ground.

  • @universeunknown1880
    @universeunknown1880 Před 29 dny +69

    Student pilot here. I can see it your eyes, that this video was difficult to make. Please, for the sake of all of us, keep doing what you’re doing. Also would like to thank you for the video you did a while back about your background as a military pilot - you’re a wealth of knowledge and priceless resource!!

    • @billnorblat4047
      @billnorblat4047 Před 28 dny +3

      Get that Commercial Rating before you start putting friends and family at risk.

    • @SeltkirkTV
      @SeltkirkTV Před 27 dny

      Yeah sure bud

    • @mrtbrocks5664
      @mrtbrocks5664 Před 24 dny

      @@billnorblat4047 and Instrument Rating

  • @KeokiDude
    @KeokiDude Před 23 dny +35

    Man, I could tell by your voice and the look of your eyes that you really were affected by telling us this tragic story. I felt the same way and am thankful that pilots like you are trying to help others from making tragic mistakes.

    • @rikityrik
      @rikityrik Před 7 dny

      Me too. It was so preventable, I feel bad for all of them. 😢

  • @kge420
    @kge420 Před měsícem +499

    "... only have about 20 minutes to live." Those young children that should realistically have had another 60-70- years to live, that is a harsh thing to hear. RIP to all .

    • @thomasdalton1508
      @thomasdalton1508 Před měsícem +52

      Indeed. It's bad piloting. It's terrible parenting. The first job of any parent is to keep their children safe. He should never have dreamed of flying like this with his children on board.

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 Před měsícem +22

      ​@@thomasdalton1508with only 3 oxygen masks?? So unbelievably sad. So many other options for a safe trip that didn't involve him flying a plane he knew so little about.

    • @thomasdalton1508
      @thomasdalton1508 Před měsícem +20

      @@sarahalbers5555 Indeed. Planning a flight at 13,500 ft without enough oxygen for everyone is questionable at best, but changing plan mid-flight and going well above that is reckless.

    • @johnnytactical3054
      @johnnytactical3054 Před měsícem +3

      There is no guarantees in life…saying those kids had 60-70 years left to possibly life is ignorance.

    • @thomasdalton1508
      @thomasdalton1508 Před měsícem +33

      @@johnnytactical3054 There is no guarantee implied in the word "should"...

  • @randallgarrison8653
    @randallgarrison8653 Před měsícem +261

    Early on in our pilot training, we are taught to make a 180 in such scenarios. I’ve had to do that and have no regrets and was not embarrassed.

    • @dicksonfranssen
      @dicksonfranssen Před měsícem +13

      That's just it, guys get embarrassed.just asking for directions. I have a brain injury and have pulled over many times for a good stretch and to clear my head. I don't understand what this guy was thinking.

    • @doctorpanigrahi9975
      @doctorpanigrahi9975 Před měsícem

      Lol noob

    • @kendallevans4079
      @kendallevans4079 Před měsícem +9

      Exactly! And you are here to talk about it. Making the right decision is always win-win!

    • @hefeibao
      @hefeibao Před měsícem +13

      I was thinking the *exact same thing*. Maybe I got lucky, but my flight school had a sim (3 actually) and when the wx was bad instead of cancelling we'd just hop in a sim and he'd put me in these types of scenarios with no warning. I froze up the first time (not knowing what I should do), but with a few reps it drives the point home. Glad I learned that in a sim vs. real life.

    • @dicksonfranssen
      @dicksonfranssen Před měsícem +8

      @hefeibao It's been my experience that good instructors will throw anything at you just to see how you respond. Real life is unpredictable, why shouldn't sim training. Some instructors go a bit nuts if you just give up, there's a line between learning and being humiliated that takes all the joy out of it.

  • @MissDaisyTheRacoon
    @MissDaisyTheRacoon Před 28 dny +18

    It seemed like hoover was trying not to choke up when he said his heart goes out to his friend and extended family, which shows you that hoover does these videos to prevent such accidents and mistakes.
    Thank you Hoover, love your videos.

  • @charliealpha8888
    @charliealpha8888 Před 26 dny +18

    As an retired air traffic specialist in flight service from New York, your suggestion to call 800-wxbrief is good advice. Our primary focus is weather safety and helping pilot to Guage the weather to make good decisions.
    We used to have a term called "get there itis ". A pilot's refusal to change his plans. Rest in peace

  • @ChannelSRL1
    @ChannelSRL1 Před měsícem +375

    What a tragedy. You're doing an incredibly valuable service, Hoover. You will undoubtedly be saving lives here.

    • @C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13
      @C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 Před měsícem +9

      I intend to get my private pilot's licence in the not too distant future... I'm sure that the information I've gained from this channel will come in handy on more than one occasion.
      I want to learn to fly, but not become the subject of a future Pilot Debrief upload.

    • @sidhayes6168
      @sidhayes6168 Před měsícem +2

      One right here. I am not flying.

    • @lcfflc3887
      @lcfflc3887 Před měsícem +5

      I would just avoid putting my whole family inside a tiny single engine aircraft completely period, even if i am the pilot, not worth it, we need to stop this nonsense, we are talking about multiple decades old pieces of trash aircrafts built in the 60 and 70, the time for this pieces of junk has passed, the industry needs to start build the new thing for generations ahead that will replace this tiny flying time bombs. Because of the internet ERA, CZcams and channels like this, we now realize how often this things lall out of the skies.

    • @advorak8529
      @advorak8529 Před 28 dny

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@lcfflc3887 You did know that airlines - with excellent safety records - do fly airframes that are a number of decades old?
      You also are aware that new airplanes, built this month and designed not more than 12 months ago, can be complete trash and planes from the ‘60s and ‘70s are still being flown because these aircraft types have withstood the test of time - barely anyone would want to fly an aircraft that is crap, old nor not.
      If you want to know how often these things fall out of the skies, go read the statistics. And don’t forget the number of times car crashes happen, don’t forget the death rate by cancer, don’t forget the firearm incidents that maim or kill people.
      And you want to fly multi-engine planes instead of single-engine ones? Do you understand that multi-engine planes are more difficult to handle and with two engines the chance of an engine failure is (almost) double of a single-engine one?
      Never mind the cost of the larger airframe, twice the engine maintenance cost as you have two engines, the added workload for the pilot - there is a reason 2 engine planes tend to have dual pilot controls and many of these planes expect a second pair of eyes and hands. Even if you can fly them alone.
      What do you do when an engine goes on strike and your glass cockpit fails? You’re now the flight engineer for the engines - both the good one and the bad one -, navigator with paper maps (or maybe a tablet to get you to a landing spot and you also have to aviate, with a partial or completely missing instrument panel … and you may be in IFR conditions and your ears do the somatic hallucinations on you … Nice overload there.

  • @PlymouthVT
    @PlymouthVT Před měsícem +189

    Hoover was getting a little choked up at the end over the loss of the family in this video. It is a very sad and frustrating story. I hope any young pilot watching remembers this video. Your a good man sir.

    • @MatthewHaydenRE
      @MatthewHaydenRE Před 29 dny +3

      Bro is welling up. Tragic loss.

    • @maximilian672
      @maximilian672 Před 29 dny +3

      @PymouthVT as an aspiring future commercial pilot, I can only say that I massively appreciate these videos. It is so utterly important to do proper briefings before and during the flight, even or maybe especially if you're flying alone, to be aware of any and all of your limitations, never cutting corners, not succumbing to get-there-itis, etc. These videos, not just from Hoover, are extremely valuable lessons. All the other pilots in training, that I know personally, are very keen on watching all this incident reports and analysis. None of us wants to end up like that.

    • @devonwilliams2423
      @devonwilliams2423 Před 29 dny +3

      Yeah idk if he’s married and has kids but I’m presuming so and every man can identify with many moments in life where dropping our ego and asking for help would have helped us out
      It’s just that in this predicament there was no lesson for that man and his family only for us that viewers, super tragic

    • @midgie1166
      @midgie1166 Před 29 dny +1

      He is wearing a wedding band.

    • @chrisemerson7743
      @chrisemerson7743 Před 29 dny +1

      I thought the same thing.

  • @calvinnickel9995
    @calvinnickel9995 Před 29 dny +118

    If you are a private pilot, middle age, and are buying a “mission oriented” aircraft (ie: one that can take the whole family, high performance, IFR capable… with the purpose of replacing the car or airlines with something that’s faster and more convenient than both… you are IMHO one of highest risks in the general aviation community.
    Anyone who buys a plane needs to realize that it’s a _frivolity_ It won’t save you time. It definitely won’t save you money. Honestly the best plane for a private pilot is a Cessna 172 where you will leave it at home half the time, and travel with one or two family members mostly within 2 hours flight time of your home airport and maybe one one-month long cross country adventure every year.
    If you aren’t willing to turn around and drive or take commercial; wait at the destination or diversionary airport for a week for a weather window; abandon your aircraft at a destination or diversionary airport for weather or repairs, decide to leave the plane at home and take commercial, or simply not do the trip… you have no business putting your family in a light aircraft.
    Your successes in life cannot be repeated in an airplane. Aviation is cruel and indifferent and doesn’t care how smart or successful you think you are. You cannot simply will things to work out for the best.

    • @Timshot100
      @Timshot100 Před 27 dny +5

      Perfect Not Me attitude explanation truly is

    • @justinabbott8481
      @justinabbott8481 Před 24 dny +4

      Absolutely correct. Sad sad story. I’m a quite experienced pilot with ATP and a few type ratings and I have zero desire to buy an aircraft and all I ever take my family on are 172s and it’s all very local and has to be nice weather. Even then anything can happen but this story was just tragic.

    • @cremebrulee4759
      @cremebrulee4759 Před 24 dny +6

      I understand and agree with most of what you say, however, what does middle aged have to do with it?

    • @MikeM275
      @MikeM275 Před 23 dny +8

      @@cremebrulee4759 It has nothing to do with it. Most of these types of comments are made by non pilots that haven't a single clue what they are talking about. They just think they're being impressive with their blah blah blah holier than thou comments. Grouping masses of people together into one skill level is ridiculous and they are just yapping hoping for likes.

    • @slee2819
      @slee2819 Před 23 dny +5

      @@cremebrulee4759 I think he’s referring to the phenomenon of people in their middle ages trying to catch up for things they missed out on early in life.
      Another example is of all the people who go climbing Mount Everest in middle age who have absolutely no business doing so but because now the commercialization of Mount Everest makes it possible. They think they should do so, regardless of the risk.

  • @acmwarbirdsofcanada866
    @acmwarbirdsofcanada866 Před 25 dny +11

    As a ex-controller, and a pilot , this was really hard to watch. I hope that this video saves lives.

  • @user-by7ti1fc7f
    @user-by7ti1fc7f Před měsícem +318

    These are CZcams gold. There is actual emotion going on here with zero BS. A rarity. Great work and keep them coming.

    • @eriklarson9137
      @eriklarson9137 Před měsícem +3

      This seems like a really real comment.

    • @lennysalvo6734
      @lennysalvo6734 Před měsícem +10

      Absolutely agree. Hoover clearly getting choked up got me too. He definitely cares about these debriefs and the lessons they can convey.

    • @Cazador60140
      @Cazador60140 Před měsícem +4

      Turn around Jason your friends at the surprise party will understand you love your family nd there will be other times ....

    • @SeltkirkTV
      @SeltkirkTV Před 27 dny +1

      ​@@eriklarson9137yeah, it's a bot comment.

    • @SeltkirkTV
      @SeltkirkTV Před 27 dny

      ​@@Cazador60140who are you talking to bro?

  • @sananselmospacescienceodys7308
    @sananselmospacescienceodys7308 Před měsícem +154

    Long time flight instructor here. Some years ago I received a phone call from an individual who wanted to schedule an aircraft checkout and flight review in a Cessna 210. The pilot had not flown in four years. When the day of our flight arrived I was surprised to see him arrive in a minivan loaded with luggage and his family. It was his intention that we fly for one hour and do three landings and that I then sign him off for having completed a flight review.
    Immediately after he intended to load up the aircraft with his family and depart for a two week flying adventure. When I declined to fly with him he couldn't understand why. In his mind all he needed was an hour of flight time, an hour of ground instruction and three landings to regain currency. That may be all the FARs required but it would've been borderline suicidal.
    The non pilots reading this will be surprised to learn that any general aviation CFI who has been instructing for more then a few years has had experiences similar to this.

    • @wlamb9
      @wlamb9 Před 28 dny +22

      Bare minimum doesn’t seem like enough to load your whole family aboard. What are these guys thinking. What arrogance.

    • @dieselyeti
      @dieselyeti Před 28 dny +21

      I've been an instructor since 2001 and all I could think of reading this was "Oh HELL no.." His family should mean more to him than that.

    • @erauprcwa
      @erauprcwa Před 28 dny +25

      YUP!!!! I remember I had a guy who had a private and wanted a sign off. He nearly caused a runway incursion, an accelerated stall, and spin on our first flight. He also had NO familiarity with towered airport procedures because as he claimed, his instructor was an older gentleman who taught him out of a class G airport.
      Based off of his description of his training, I was amazed that he even passed his checkride. I did not sign this individual off, even after four/five flights.

    • @danpolk
      @danpolk Před 28 dny +16

      Glad to have CFIs like you folks holding the bar high.

    • @JohnDavis-zo4xl
      @JohnDavis-zo4xl Před 27 dny +11

      Amen!! 28 yr CFI and Ive seen similar. I once had a yahoo with zero flight time get a Comanche 250--was shocked to learn I would NOT be training him in that plane..

  • @VerySadPenguin
    @VerySadPenguin Před 28 dny +4

    This video popped up randomly on my feed. Not being a pilot or having any experience with flying I found it easy to understand. When I read about the crash in the paper it didn't ecplain anything other than, "plane crashed, family killed." This breakdown was clear and concise. Awesome job, awesome channel!

  • @realjack88
    @realjack88 Před 27 dny +8

    Maybe it is just me, I think I can hear Hover’s voice chocking and saw tears in his right eye at the end of this episode. I am deeply moved by his compassion for this pilot and his young family. God blesses all. Thank you for this episode about the dangerous hour zone of new pilots. May all new pilots learn from this tragedy.

  • @craig7350
    @craig7350 Před měsícem +97

    I find it amazing how casually he takes an IFR clearance, when he's a VFR pilot.

    • @ianutube22
      @ianutube22 Před 28 dny +8

      Almost impressive isn't it? I say this as a private pilot working on their IFR rating.

    • @skibird7733
      @skibird7733 Před 27 dny +14

      Plagued by hubris unfortunately. Confidence is one thing but knowledge of when to ignore it is a more important one...

    • @JohnnytNatural
      @JohnnytNatural Před 26 dny +5

      Yup throughout the whole event he acted like he knew what he was doing, trying to impress the other person was part of his character

    • @wmrieker
      @wmrieker Před 22 dny +2

      well that probably was one of his better options. not taking the clearance, he would have struggled maintaining vfr (which he probably wasn't anyway, probably looking outside more that he should have at that point). so taking the clearance would hopefully focus him on the instruments. unfortunately he didn't have the ability to control the airplane that way.
      hoover said the pilot should have asked for help, and I think the controller did the best he could by offering that clearance, and then followed it by giving a vector, but apparently it was too late cuz the pilot was probably already disoriented. the only thing else I can think the controller could have possibly done is give a lesson on instrument scan over the radio, but controllers aren't necessarily pilots, let alone instrument instructors.

    • @lindamckibben1763
      @lindamckibben1763 Před 16 dny

      A real dumb ass!!!

  • @TWA727
    @TWA727 Před měsícem +63

    It is amazing to me how this guy was able to get his private. When I was going for mine, I got lost on one of my cross countries, and ended up in a mountain range with no sight of my destination airport. In addition, both of my fuel gauges read almost empty. So, swallowing my pride, I dialed up 7700 in the box, and very gently keyed my mike, and declared a mayday.
    Upon doing that, to my relief, I immediately got the air national guard on 121.5, asking me if I was flying straight and level, and if I had the aircraft under control, to which I replied, affirmative.
    I had already stated I'm a student pilot, on my cross country and I'm lost, low on fuel. Within 10 seconds he switched me over to NY Center, gave me a heading to fly, with radar vectors back to my home base of Caldwell NJ.
    After landing, I called the center to thank them for coming to my aid, and getting me back on the ground, safe and sound. The system works.👍✈️

    • @alanornstein4947
      @alanornstein4947 Před 12 dny +1

      Those decisions show a lot more balls than when we see pilots on this channel just grit their teeth and keep going, with potentially deadly consequences. I'd love to see Hoover feature your story if it's still possible to obtain enough info on it. Wonder if you can DM him and offer it up. I've only seen him do a couple of positive example videos, and to me they both seemed less dramatic than yours. I'm certainly not knocking those videos as I really enjoyed them, I'm saying a story like yours would be a fantastic addition to the positive content.

    • @vivian2217
      @vivian2217 Před 3 dny +1

      So does common sense , asking questions and requesting assistance when needed. The smartest thing anyone can do is ask for help when they need it, instead of being arrogant, stubborn, selfish ( if others are on board), and too proud to ask for help.

  • @KCBudd
    @KCBudd Před 13 dny +2

    I remember this one vividly, and almost didn't watch the video because it hurt so bad when I heard about it. Jason is a colleague, lived in the same area as I do, and we're about the same age. I didn't know Jason, but I had just gotten my instrument rating and was shopping for a 6-seater turbocharged airplane to carry my family on trips when friends called me about his accident and were like "we don't wanna see that happen to you."
    I read the report and bawled my eyes out. It's so heartbreaking. I could see that this one hurt you to review too.

  • @kevinseventeen3099
    @kevinseventeen3099 Před 29 dny +6

    I'm not a pilot and do not fly, but I value your channel. You're logical, reasonable, calm, and centered. Your breakdowns of the situations and logical analysis are relevant to all of us, pilots or otherwise, because they cut to the core of common, basic human failings we all share. There are life lessons here for all of us - especially this situation in which the pilot could possibly have avoided this tragedy by simply asking for help. Thank you so much for all your hard work!

  • @imaPangolin
    @imaPangolin Před měsícem +65

    Ok dude. You keep getting better. …only 20 minutes left to live… is just chilling. If one pilot heeds this video and turns around it’s worth it.

    • @arthurfoyt6727
      @arthurfoyt6727 Před 28 dny +3

      We've had these sayings for over 70 years in flying, especially things like 46 seconds VFR into IFR and you're done.
      HONESTLY after 50 years of flying myself I'm tired of people that ignore all the warnings and data and kill themselves.
      IFR, Ice, Rain, no training in this plane, low hours, complex aircraft, high altitude.... at this point I have zero sympathy.

    • @dlgaboury
      @dlgaboury Před 27 dny +2

      @@arthurfoyt6727 I have sympathy for his family - such a tragedy ultimately caused by an inability to recognize and admit his own limitations. Makes the case for single-pilot CRM training.

    • @arthurfoyt6727
      @arthurfoyt6727 Před 25 dny

      @@dlgabouryI see it was a murder-suicide. This guy was unhinged and took his family with him. So many limitations and zero cations on his part. This makes me so mad because it also make GA pilots look like id-10T's.

  • @ThatCigarGuy
    @ThatCigarGuy Před měsícem +147

    I could hear it in your voice at the end that this one was tough for you. So tragic. Thank you for your dedication to helping all of us learn to ask for help when we need it.

    • @stevenstyles7602
      @stevenstyles7602 Před měsícem +12

      I noticed that as-well, and looked teary eyed.😢

    • @ryoukosan11
      @ryoukosan11 Před měsícem +1

      Yeah, seemed pretty tough. Reasonable considering the details.

    • @SpectrumRob
      @SpectrumRob Před měsícem

      He definitely struck a nerve on this one. Hopefully it will teach someone not to fly over their head.

  • @metoon3092
    @metoon3092 Před 27 dny +7

    Hoover is visibly and understandably shaken reporting on this horrible tragedy. Thank You sir for you video's and all that you bring into the explaining of each.

  • @tliebman4430
    @tliebman4430 Před 27 dny +5

    I appreciate how difficult this story was for you. It was clear that this one was tough. Keep up the work teaching … it will save lives.

  • @mmatejka01
    @mmatejka01 Před měsícem +232

    I could see this was hard for you. But we have to talk about this and educate people so this doesn't happen again. Keep up the message Hoover... That is all we can do.

    • @overlordfemto7523
      @overlordfemto7523 Před měsícem +2

      It’s going to happen again. And again. And again.

    • @tinkersailorhead4360
      @tinkersailorhead4360 Před měsícem +5

      Everyone could see that tear building up, you are doing a great service to the flying community.

    • @PDGX
      @PDGX Před 27 dny +7

      I’ve watched several dozen of Hoover’s videos and can’t recall him getting choked up like this. I appreciated him showing some emotion. This was certainly as sad story, and I’m sure anyone with kids would be empathetic.

  • @austinrose9509
    @austinrose9509 Před měsícem +197

    His ego got in the way of his family's safety WTF!!!! Tragic!!!!

    • @amorl4520
      @amorl4520 Před měsícem +4

      His wife trusted him! Gaslighter .

    • @howard5992
      @howard5992 Před 29 dny +1

      I agree.
      We usually think of ego as pride ... an over confidence.
      I think in this case it was maybe more like shame, which can also be about ego - not asking for help because he believed he *should* be able to resolve the situation by himself.

    • @advorak8529
      @advorak8529 Před 28 dny +1

      ⁠@@howard5992 There is fake humility, which by definition cannot be honest.
      But there’s a thing to the “shame” aspect: “real men don’t XYZ” is extremely toxic. Not going to the GP to check out concerning symptoms. Not talking about emotions. Not being allowed to be weak, fail, ask for help. Not seeking support, in whatever you do, be it mental health or tying a tie or being bullied, or having anger issues, or changing a punctured wheel on the roadside or admitting to not knowing the first thing about the oil dipstick.

    • @howard5992
      @howard5992 Před 28 dny

      @@advorak8529 - I think we are agreeing with each other here. The main issue is he needed to ask for guidance.

    • @deaf2819
      @deaf2819 Před 28 dny

      @@advorak8529there’s a few groups who absolutely feed into this issue. I’d venture to guess most pilots identify as members of these groups. These groups tend to attract the same type of people between them. Think gun guys,car guys,pilots, lots of people in a particular political party…
      These are things I don’t think people want to discuss in our country because it would absolutely impact LOTS of people.

  • @NancyZaidi
    @NancyZaidi Před 29 dny +2

    There's that old saying that "pride goeth before a fall" and this case is a sad example of just that. He let his pride get the best of him and killed his whole family in the process. Just sad all around.

  • @redghost3170
    @redghost3170 Před 29 dny +1

    I used to jump out of airplanes in the Army, but I’m scared to death of flying. Love this channel.

  • @shannoncarlson6960
    @shannoncarlson6960 Před měsícem +276

    There's nothing more sad than seeing parents lead their children to their deaths. Parents are supposed to do everything to protect them, yet this man didn't. Whether it was due to pressures of time, ego, embarrassment, skill, get-there-itis, etc...nothing was so important to make those risks. Believe me, his family would have accepted not going to the party or staying home for vacation.

    • @g60force
      @g60force Před měsícem +16

      not only that he ruined the party for the others attending also especially the ones throwing the party, cuz they might feel a bit guilty and at the very least now have bad memories to that day!!

    • @Lockbar
      @Lockbar Před měsícem +11

      JFK.Jr. repeat.

    • @amorl4520
      @amorl4520 Před měsícem

      Parent.

    • @josephgiri2398
      @josephgiri2398 Před měsícem +16

      A common thread in all these debriefings is male ego.

    • @rstidman
      @rstidman Před měsícem

      I think seeing Pied Pipers lead children to their deaths is sadder.

  • @BrettParryTheCulturalMentor
    @BrettParryTheCulturalMentor Před měsícem +108

    Is it just me, or can I feel, see and here Hoover struggling to keep composure when talking about this family? That's what makes listening to him so special. Truly empathetic and trying to keep people educated not only about the joys of flying, but also the potential hazards of not knowing your limits. RIP to this beautiful family.

    • @midgie1166
      @midgie1166 Před 29 dny +2

      I didn't notice it

    • @evry1sfriend619
      @evry1sfriend619 Před 29 dny +13

      @@midgie1166his voice does sound a bit shaky and his eyes do seem to hold some tears back around the 14 min mark. Hoover, thank you for the service you provide by making these videos. You’re not only a good pilot and content creator but I believe you’re a good person as well.

    • @TheCaioKyleBraga
      @TheCaioKyleBraga Před 28 dny +1

      Agreed

    • @bryniehenry9
      @bryniehenry9 Před 28 dny +3

      yes you can clearly see his right eye more than left get watered up and then voice was getting shaky more and more it hit home for him and anyone watching

    • @ianmcelhinney1530
      @ianmcelhinney1530 Před 27 dny +3

      Yep. Hard to miss, bless him 😔

  • @travelwithus750
    @travelwithus750 Před 12 dny +1

    Poor poor family. Man I can’t help but scream no. Don’t make those decisions. What’s worth putting you family at risk in this world. Nothing. Go back home. Thanks for the video. What a lesson.

  • @Nordestada
    @Nordestada Před 29 dny

    Just heart breaking when a whole family ends up in a tragic situation like this one. I completely understand the wrenching emotions and your genuine desire to help others not to make the same mistakes. Thank you, Hoover.

  • @maxhardover9772
    @maxhardover9772 Před měsícem +52

    I'm now a retired airline pilot turned 737 instructor. Looking all the way back to when I first started flying, 1967, to my final retirement flight, most of the critical information and flying experience came from studying accident reports, both general aviation and part 135/121. Even as a senior 737 captain, I always studied airline accidents and incidents attempting to learn something new. I learned at a very young age that in aviation, it's much, much better to learn from other's mistakes, than charge off into the wild blue yonder half-baked and no exit strategy.
    BTW, I've done exactly what this guy did in a Piper Dakota with two passengers - at night - with no Instrument rating. When I realized I had just gone into solid IFR at 4,500 feet, I immediately implemented my exit strategy and performed a 180° standard rate turn on instruments and went to find a different route. You see, crashes like this one happen all the time. People just don't think ahead... period. They never ask themselves: "If I do go that way, will I be able to stay VFR? What if I can't? What should I do, WORST CASE? Am I equipped to handle this?" In this case I was. Even though I was not IFR rated, I kept up my instrument skills at every chance and had about 60 hours of actual and simulated instrument flying. I had also scored 92 on the instrument written exam. Within a few months I did pass my Instrument checkride.
    Serious flying is about weather flying. Weather flying is all about STAYING CURRENT. In other words, when you get IFR rated and the weather's down, plan a short cross country to keep your instrument scan, communication and navigation skills sharp. You owe it to yourself, your family and passengers.

    • @josepha.r5839
      @josepha.r5839 Před 29 dny

      Bravo!

    • @advorak8529
      @advorak8529 Před 28 dny +2

      Old pilots, and bold pilots. No old, bold pilots.
      Neil Armstrong was chosen as commander and LM pilot because he actually did not care if he’d be the first one landing on the moon or not.

  • @jameswebb4593
    @jameswebb4593 Před 29 dny +2

    Pride cometh before the fall . Flying , Sailing , Driving , the end result is always the same , tragedy .

  • @lukycharms9970
    @lukycharms9970 Před 29 dny +1

    I can clearly hear in your voice how emotionally affected you are by these stories. Thank you Hoover for covering these stories with respect and humility. Keep it up.

  • @dhyde9207
    @dhyde9207 Před měsícem +149

    What could have been a pleasant 7 hour drive with the family turned into a horrible tragedy ending 5 precious lives. If every pilot doesn't learn the obvious lesson from this, nothing will ever teach it to them.

    • @halfbakedproductions7887
      @halfbakedproductions7887 Před měsícem +17

      Flying commercial from SFO to Vegas is billed at 1hr40 mins. He should have done that and they would have landed in the heart of the city, no stress and perfectly safe.

    • @PeterNGloor
      @PeterNGloor Před měsícem +10

      If there WERE decent passenger train services he could have taken a train and the kids would have had a pleasant time.

    • @davidsine4390
      @davidsine4390 Před měsícem +8

      Or land at Bakersfield, rent a car and drive the rest of the way.

    • @TheZX11
      @TheZX11 Před měsícem +7

      One of my coworkers had three GA aircraft. He pointed out to me that they weren't good for vacation travel. GA flies in weather and weather then actually determines if you can get back from vacation on time. He said his planes could leave you delayed returning from vacation by a week or so if weather develops. I guess also leaving on vacation could be delayed by days.

    • @TheErmin36
      @TheErmin36 Před měsícem +4

      You're probably right, but bad accidents happen on the road too. If he got into a situation he shouldn't have in the air, what kind of choices does he make when driving?

  • @rElliot09
    @rElliot09 Před měsícem +88

    I'm a retired Navy pilot and firmly believe you fly like you train. When you rarely train, or have possibly poor training, attempt IMC flying when not trained, this is the end result. So very sad 😢 This is a good analysis for HFACS.

    • @coriscotupi
      @coriscotupi Před měsícem

      Exactly. Every VFR-only pilot's mantra should be, _"if I get into IMC I'm going to kill myself and others."_ Non-negotiable. No excuses. Don't do it.

    • @user-iu4wh1zs6t
      @user-iu4wh1zs6t Před měsícem +3

      Training? That's not a commonly valued exercise. I don't know why. I'm guessing that flying for the deceased was just a faster way to travel at will. It couldn't have been an affordability issue for him.

    • @JUNEWICK5087
      @JUNEWICK5087 Před měsícem

      Can’t pull over in the air yes sir

    • @rElliot09
      @rElliot09 Před 29 dny +3

      @@user-iu4wh1zs6t that's my point, as a Naval Aviator, we trained, and trained, and trained. Granted, I flew off aircraft carriers, did stuff GA doesn't do. But training made us proficient. It isn't something GA does, they tend to log time. But there is value in training, such as earning your instrument ticket. Hope that makes sense.

    • @briancurtis3648
      @briancurtis3648 Před 28 dny

      Outside of the military, flight training costs money.

  • @harrisoncaldwel2293
    @harrisoncaldwel2293 Před 28 dny +1

    Man, Hoover, hearing you in that last moments of the video cuts super deep. I know this really hit home and I just wanted to thank you for all the work you put into these videos to make the community a safer place. Thank you Sir.

  • @ollyw2897
    @ollyw2897 Před 4 dny

    I can see how emotional you got at the end speaking of this tragedy. It’s obvious how much you care about this. Your de briefs are really professional and respectful.

  • @Frank_Nemo
    @Frank_Nemo Před měsícem +296

    The fundamental root cause and prime mistake of this accident was....pride. Painful as it can be, ego-wise, people should never be too proud to admit when they just don't know or have made a mistake.
    My condolences to all concerned.

    • @michaelbailey8729
      @michaelbailey8729 Před měsícem +11

      ....... well said and the tragedy was he hadn't up until the point he refused to abort and turn back to clear air. The weather can change on any day, there is no shame is aborting a flight. Its the smart thing to do.

    • @joyceanthony-huff2914
      @joyceanthony-huff2914 Před měsícem +15

      Yes. Jason was an idiot

    • @messianichebrewshawnkawcak1550
      @messianichebrewshawnkawcak1550 Před měsícem +10

      Absolutely agree, same happened to JFR Jr. pride and pressure to keep a schedule that was not reasonable for the conditions or experience. Having practiced ILS approaches in IMC on the flight gear flight simulator I can see how fast one can get tasks saturation and disoriented.

    • @K1OIK
      @K1OIK Před měsícem +2

      Do you think anyone concerned is seeing YOUR condolences? Or are you just trying to brag you care?

    • @C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13
      @C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 Před měsícem +5

      I'm one of those men who's never too proud to ask for directions... But always ashamed of being late through causes of my own stupidity.
      Probably a good attitude to keep if I do eventually get my pilot's licence.

  • @philo5096
    @philo5096 Před měsícem +42

    He never asked for help because of pride. His wife and kids were next to him and behind him, pride kills. Nobody in that plane had to die. This is so friggin senseless, he had so many strikes against him before taking off in San Jose. What a beautiful family, RIP to all.

  • @rongurney48
    @rongurney48 Před 29 dny +1

    I enjoy all your debriefings. Your knowledge and flying skills are superb. Your advise and comments are spot on.

  • @deardaughter
    @deardaughter Před 26 dny +1

    I didn’t realize I’ve been waiting for the emotion with such reporting and analysis for so long. Thank you for that.

  • @pcaviator687
    @pcaviator687 Před měsícem +197

    This is truly a heartbreaking tragedy that never should have happened had Jason been honest with himself as well as with ATC, and admitted that he was caught in a situation that he couldn't handle and asked for help. It's beyond sad that an entire family lost their lives due to Jason's actions. I watched this tragedy on another CZcamsr's channel not long ago, but your debrief was much more in depth and informative. Obviously this tragedy has affected you on an emotional level as I could see that at the end of this video, I appreciate you bringing this debrief Hoover as I was wondering if you were going to cover it. Thank you.

    • @pilot-debrief
      @pilot-debrief  Před měsícem +57

      Anytime there are children involved, it makes the debrief more difficult for me. Thanks for your support.

    • @AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cg
      @AnthonyOMulligan-yv9cg Před měsícem +7

      Almost as if he didn't realise that everybody's lives were in his hands

    • @AndrewTa530
      @AndrewTa530 Před měsícem +8

      Pride is expensive

    • @Jonathan.D
      @Jonathan.D Před měsícem +2

      ​@@AndrewTa530You are 100% correct! I tell everyone to get their IR asap. Learning to use the instruments isn't that hard, and it makes all the difference in the world. The auto pilot is also easy to learn and it makes flying much more enjoyable. Manually flying an aircraft for even an hour is tiring. It's not like driving a car. There's so much to keep track of and the auto pilot takes a lot of that stress off.

    • @EightiesTV
      @EightiesTV Před 29 dny +2

      Get real. Exactly what help was a controller going to give to a VFR pilot that flew into IMC? Surveillance vectors when he can't even hold the heading he's on? Is the controller going to talk him out of that graveyard spiral? He sealed everyone's fate when he penetrated IMC with KIC and nobody was gonna talk his way out of it from the ground.

  • @AFO3310
    @AFO3310 Před měsícem +111

    I was a flight instructor for just under 2 years before moving on to the airlines and I absolutely hammered all of my private students to get their instrument rating not only to fly in the weather but to UNDERSTAND the weather as well. Sucks seeing these completely preventable accidents.

    • @Croz89
      @Croz89 Před měsícem +9

      It does surprise me more private pilots don't get instrument ratings. I understand the time and cost, but it seems like it would not only make you a safer pilot but would also allow you a lot more flexibility in the case of inclement weather, you don't have to cancel your plans because it's cloudy. Perhaps this is just me as I live in a part of the world where IFR conditions are common, and planning cross country trips without IFR would be a roll of the dice.

    • @robhoneycutt
      @robhoneycutt Před měsícem +4

      I think of a PPL + instrument rating more as an impetus to continually hone your piloting skills and a tool for very limited IMC conditions. What it isn’t is a license to go wandering into any kind of weather. I honestly think, in order to fly into any heavy IMC you need a high performance aircraft, with a high operational ceiling, and a lot of currency in the IFR system. Anything less puts your risk profile way out on the margins.

    • @patrickwelch620
      @patrickwelch620 Před měsícem +5

      Why would anyone fly without an instrument rating? I'm not a pilot. But I just can't wrap my head around it. Its not a question of if you hit weather but when. Any reasonable human being can understand this.

    • @Croz89
      @Croz89 Před měsícem +3

      @@robhoneycutt I think if it's sufficient enough to cover the most common types of IMC weather, that's fine. Few private pilots will ever be able to afford to fly the kind of aircraft that have the performance ceilings to deal with more adverse conditions. But unless you live in a few unusual places such conditions are rare. Something like overcast clouds or (not torrential) rain.

    • @robhoneycutt
      @robhoneycutt Před měsícem +5

      @@patrickwelch620 In the US, less than half (368k out of 809k) of active private pilots hold an instrument rating. It’s really not that difficult to stay clear of IMC conditions.

  • @GrahamRiverProductio
    @GrahamRiverProductio Před 29 dny

    We hear the grief in your voice as you talk about this tragedy. As hard as it is to hear this video is a valuable reminder for all of us as aspiring pilots to fly smart and to ask for help. My thoughts and prayers for the family and friends. Ever forward. Cb

  • @mikemurel1917
    @mikemurel1917 Před 29 dny

    Your delivery is like you're there. My heart started to beat harder on each sentence. These debriefs continue to show how good a pilot must be. Keep up the great work.

  • @_Shadoh_
    @_Shadoh_ Před měsícem +83

    How can you endanger your whole family, your kids!!, when you have that little experience flying?? I'll never understand people who act like this. SMH.

    • @g60force
      @g60force Před měsícem +3

      Not just the inexperience... JUST CUZ THE LACK OF IT.... you could've much easier choose to abort and 180turn

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 Před měsícem +3

      The family photo broke my 💜

    • @johnnytactical3054
      @johnnytactical3054 Před měsícem +2

      Easy solution…don’t buy a plane

    • @davewilliams5102
      @davewilliams5102 Před měsícem +2

      It's called "EGO"

    • @994pt4
      @994pt4 Před měsícem +1

      @@johnnytactical3054 Better solution...don't fly unless absolutely necessary. Your life depends on it!

  • @SaddleSC
    @SaddleSC Před 29 dny +3

    Plan Continuation Bias is one of the greatest psychological threats to any private pilot

  • @ARCollaborativesCoaching
    @ARCollaborativesCoaching Před 27 dny +1

    Thank you for your thorough and heartfelt debriefs Hoover! I salute you and your fine service!

  • @markoxford
    @markoxford Před měsícem +40

    Sir, you passion for air safety is very much on display in this debrief. You are doing an amazing job of highlighting the dangers of poor planning, complacency and lack of proper training.

  • @-yeme-
    @-yeme- Před měsícem +56

    Some people treat getting in a plane and taking off like getting in a car and driving.

    • @DMBFREAKNLK
      @DMBFREAKNLK Před měsícem +2

      40k people die a year in vehicle accidents. Which is worse, as far as lack of training, situational awareness, and responsibility to your passengers? A crashed aircraft just has a more dramatic imprint on the psyche, as it is a large object falling from the sky. Perspective.

    • @michaelbailey8729
      @michaelbailey8729 Před měsícem

      Great point. As an instructor (lapsed) I would say to students your not nipping to the shops for a packet of fags, once your wheels leave the ground you are committed. Plan and dont be lazy. Some were and thats why I gave up. They will let you down and hurt you as well as themselves.

    • @-yeme-
      @-yeme- Před měsícem +16

      @@DMBFREAKNLK far more people die in cars because more people travel in them more regularly. no matter how you cut the data, fatalities per km travelled or fatalities per hour spent travelling, private plane is many times more dangerous than driving, in contrast to commercial plane which is far safer. but my real point is that flying is a much more complex and demanding task than driving and, imo, too many people treat it way too casually. which is one reason why the stats prove its so much more risky.

    • @amorl4520
      @amorl4520 Před měsícem

      And most can't drive normal!

    • @bagpusslxv4858
      @bagpusslxv4858 Před měsícem +1

      @@-yeme-You hit the nail on the head there! After watching these videos it’s very unlikely I would ever get in a single engined aircraft especially with only one pilot. If you don’t like how someone is driving or the car feels a bit flaky you can ask the driver to pull over and get out. Try doing that at 10000 ft in the air😮

  • @nicholasdelaney1788
    @nicholasdelaney1788 Před 4 dny

    As a 26 year old going for my private, I really appreciate these videos. Good to learn from others mistakes before you make you’re own. RIP

  • @dudeonbike800
    @dudeonbike800 Před 29 dny +1

    LOVE to see your compassion and humanity come through at the end, Hoover!
    Thank you.

  • @chrishan9138
    @chrishan9138 Před měsícem +25

    I can't imagine trying to take an IFR clearance mid-flight with no IFR rating whilst already behind the aircraft.

  • @billkinzler3773
    @billkinzler3773 Před měsícem +63

    IFR 1000 hour pilot here. Love your channel-don’t want to be on it.
    I flew that route 2020 continuing on to FL after purchasing Cirrus SR22 in CA. Fortunately, brought my CFI, AA captain friend, but his flight to meet me in CA was delayed until late afternoon. I had preflighted and after our clearance he MADE ME enter every waypoint on the Garmin 430 to the first leg to KTUS through busy SoCAL approach. He said when you get there and they modify your route, you don’t want to be fumbling with the 430 for the first time.
    By the time we were finished with getting oriented with the systems, weather, clearances, it was very late in the afternoon and he said we are not flying today as we would arrive at KTUS after dark.
    True professional. We had no issues after that to Florida.

    • @fivetriplezero8985
      @fivetriplezero8985 Před měsícem +1

      My question is how did he not read his air speed before turning, and why did he turn left when ATC told him to correct to the right? I get how he turned left blind in the storm initially, kinda, it seems like he could at least read his heading, but after he did and it got worse, What could have possessed him to make such a high speed turn in the wrong direction?

    • @Vejitasei
      @Vejitasei Před měsícem +6

      @@fivetriplezero8985 We will never know, but suspect spatial disorientation. You can not tell your up/down or left/right; so you have to trust the instruments. This is something that requires training.

    • @fivetriplezero8985
      @fivetriplezero8985 Před 29 dny +1

      @@Vejitasei That doesn't seem likely. Surely he knew which way he was pulling the yoke. If he was so disoriented by the storm outside that he couldn't tell what his hands were doing on the stick then he had far greater problems than just bad decision making. Just like his air speed, it is baffling that he couldn't know the direction he was turning relative to himself. Relative to the ground is another thing, but how could one be so confused as to pull back and left when they meant to pull flat right? And why didn't he at least check his air speed before hand? It seems like a panicked maneuver, maybe he already had lost control?

    • @Vejitasei
      @Vejitasei Před 29 dny

      @fivetriplezero8985 If you’ve ever spun around in a circle or office chair several times in a row and suddenly stopped, you’ve experienced the disequilibrium and spatial disorientation that can happen when you’re in the clouds. Even though you are seeing information that says one thing your kinesthetic system is feeling something else. This causes a miscommunication between what you feel and what you perceive. Normal you’re able to overcome this when you spun around in circles by fixing on an item in the distance. But when you’re in IMC all you can see is white in front of you. You need to trust the instruments in the plane. What happens is you get this sensation that you might be in a dive, or the sensation that you might be turning left. The instruments will tell you what’s really going on , however, unless you’ve been trained to completely ignore your senses and 100% rely on the instruments, people follow that feeling. That causes them to make incorrect control inputs for their actual attitude of flight. You can have a sensation that you were falling backwards, turning left, or that you were a climb. So you attempt to make control inputs to correctthis feeling that you have. And because everything is white outside, nothing ever gets better. It can be exceedingly disorienting when you are in the cloud and have spatial disorientation. The only way to correct this is to 100% relying on the controls.
      There is an old article called “198 seconds to live“. The article is somewhat out of date and didn’t have modern equipment, but basically people that flew into the clouds basically ended up inverted, nose down altitude, and crash after about 198 seconds. Instrument flying is about learning to completely disregard your senses and only put control input based off what the instruments are telling you. It’s a learn skill that requires an additional rating in lots of training to be able to execute.

    • @pikestance8851
      @pikestance8851 Před 29 dny +3

      ​@@fivetriplezero8985 My understanding is that you can get a relative direction from your inner ear and visual references. Without a visual reference, your inner ear can play tricks on you. Yes, you know up/down and left/right, but you cannot feel how much up or down or how much left or right you are going because you are given confusing signals from your inner ear.
      There was another video where the guy felt he was going down, but he had not realized that the plane angle was extreme, so when he pulled back out of the "dive" he actually increased the spiral.

  • @tomjohnson3141
    @tomjohnson3141 Před 28 dny +1

    Great job with the channel and content. Some of the best aviation fodder on YT.

  • @dookone7279
    @dookone7279 Před 29 dny

    Really incredible video. I have been a huge fan for a few years now but the fact that you were tearing up over this loss of life makes me respect you so very much. Thanks for what you do. Your awesome.

  • @mikings2
    @mikings2 Před měsícem +103

    I’ve heard my pilot friends call these “more money than brains club”

    • @rallyden
      @rallyden Před měsícem +6

      Bingo

    • @halfbakedproductions7887
      @halfbakedproductions7887 Před měsícem +7

      Learning to fly seems a lot like being involved in horse racing - it suddenly becomes a compulsory rite of passage the moment you can afford to actually do it. I've known people with no interest in either, but as soon as they have the cash they go all in.
      Never understood that.

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator Před měsícem +1

      I am a marine Captain and we say "All it takes is money."

    • @timteevin4517
      @timteevin4517 Před měsícem +1

      Bigshotitus.

    • @Witzer0616
      @Witzer0616 Před měsícem +1

      I don’t understand how you want to hate on pilots, yet most people have outside hobbies that they spend a whole lot more money on than pilots. You know what a 45’ Yellow Fin or a Midnight Express goes for? Or what a Class A RV cost these days??? Y’all need to check yourselves and do better 😘

  • @T18skyguy
    @T18skyguy Před měsícem +11

    I remember a story of 4 friends who were greatly anticipating a flight. They had been planning this pleasure trip for 6 months. The pilot got his weather briefing, which was marginal, they taxied out, he called weather again, then he made the tough decision to postpone. Everybody was very bummed, but he said " this time next year it won't matter". A good pilot has to make tough decisions and disappoint people sometimes. A lack of humility cost them all their lives. Very sad.

  • @jazzyj6122
    @jazzyj6122 Před 27 dny

    Hoover, you’re always fair and respectful on your debrief’s. Thank you for sharing and keep up the good work. Unfortunately, we learn from others mistakes in this industry.

  • @kyronodonnell1906
    @kyronodonnell1906 Před 11 dny

    Hoover, I’m so grateful for your videos. I’m an aspiring pilot & have been watching all your videos. I’ve learned so much since watching & I really appreciate how much care & thought goes into these videos. You’re the best Hoover!

  • @Electra225
    @Electra225 Před měsícem +11

    I just cannot imagine the fear and panic that this whole family was going through once they realized they were in a really bad situation. As I read the previous comments, it is very apparent that asking for help and putting your pride aside could have prevented all of this. Thank you, PD for your presentations here, they are always top notch!

    • @Pedroism
      @Pedroism Před měsícem

      He wasn't ifr quilfy

  • @jbsack
    @jbsack Před měsícem +87

    THESE ARE NOT MISTAKES. THEY ARE TERRIBLE CHOICES. PERIOD.

    • @seansoccer100
      @seansoccer100 Před měsícem +7

      Maybe they are both?

    • @eriklarson9137
      @eriklarson9137 Před měsícem +3

      @@seansoccer100 NO! Saying they are both is too complicated, and JB can't feel superior to them if it's both!

    • @robertenglebright8257
      @robertenglebright8257 Před měsícem +3

      I believe they can be both. But "mistakes" is a little less judgemental than "TERRIBLE CHOICES. PERIOD" (and in all caps just in case somebody didn't get the point) Perhaps if he and his family had survived, he would have contemplated the mistakes and learned from them. Or maybe he would have continued making terrible choices. We will never know. What I know is that I was profoundly saddened by this. I'm sure there is great pain and loss for those who knew and loved the family.

    • @EJWash57
      @EJWash57 Před měsícem

      @@eriklarson9137 WTF...?

  • @Half-CockedG
    @Half-CockedG Před 6 dny

    These videos are good but i really appreciate that i can hear the emotion in your voice. You really care about these pilots and people. Keep up the great work man!

  • @deceptivepoker
    @deceptivepoker Před 25 dny +1

    I heard you choke up as I was choking up right around 13:30 and can see the glint in your eyes. Thank you for doing these videos. I fly my family and have about the same hours as this pilot so it hit me like a brick. We all think we won't make the same mistakes we see others make. I'm sure Jason thought the same and probably watched safety videos just like I do. That is what is so humbling and makes is so important for us not to judge people like Jason but to learn from them. "Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards". Sometimes failing the test is fatal so only those left behind can learn the lesson afterwards. Thank you for these videos.

  • @ChrisBre1
    @ChrisBre1 Před měsícem +11

    My Dad was a former military pilot and aeronautical engineer. Back in 1965 when I was 11 my Dad was the FBO of a small airport in New Jersey. I remember being there with him one day and him telling me that weather was the number one killer of pilots. Though I'm not a licensed pilot myself, that seems as true today as it did back then.

    • @mrtbrocks5664
      @mrtbrocks5664 Před 24 dny

      Well, I don't think weather is the number one killer of pilots. The number one killer is the pilot, for whatever reasons, flying into weather he or she has no business doing so.

  • @doctorfiber1
    @doctorfiber1 Před měsícem +48

    I was a CFII for over 4 years. Not only did I have to deal with students that tried to kill me on a daily basis, but I had to deal with people that had more money than brains. Sad story indeed.

    • @RetreadPhoto
      @RetreadPhoto Před měsícem +3

      Yet doctors are known for augering in fairly routinely. Not the best attitude for a CFI. Maybe that’s why we have so many poorly trained pilots.

    • @majorp7967
      @majorp7967 Před měsícem

      Totally agree with you. I was CF II and ME II. Stopped flying recently, age reason.

    • @ayushmalpeddi2793
      @ayushmalpeddi2793 Před měsícem +1

      Did you press charges for attempted murder? 😂

  • @n2citrus
    @n2citrus Před 9 dny

    I remember this crash. My home airport (PTV) is about 35nm from the crash site. I appreciate the care you give each of these, and I’m convinced you are saving lives by sharing.

  • @Horm999
    @Horm999 Před 28 dny

    This is a very tragic loss for this family. Thank you for a very well done debrief on this case and while it was clearly pilot error, you still managed to maintain a level of respect for an inexperienced pilot and the fact he got in over his head causing the loss of his entire family. Rest in peace.

  • @GuyFromSC
    @GuyFromSC Před měsícem +16

    Man Hoover, I can tell this one really got to you. It’s so unfortunate so see so many mistakes made all at once. Whether it makes you sad or just plain pissed off for his passengers, just know that we appreciate your passion and always love your Pilot Debriefs. 🙏🏼

  • @johncallan2001
    @johncallan2001 Před měsícem +6

    As a 100+ hour PPL I can’t emphasise enough how important these videos are for me to remind myself to remain vigilant and focused on the risks inherent in every flight. I’ve found it’s alarmingly easy to get complacent. I fly my kids around too and this tragedy struck home. Thanks for your excellent work

  • @danocuz
    @danocuz Před 29 dny

    Hoover, thank you for putting these together. You’re saving more lives than you can imagine. Keep up the great work.

  • @Metameinitiatedbycontact

    Hoover I seen how much you emotionally connected to this tragedy and seeing that made me start to tear up also.❤ you are doing a great job man. Keep bringing awareness to us all and those that do fly will make better judgements after seeing your channel.

  • @defendyourclam1682
    @defendyourclam1682 Před měsícem +28

    Dang Hoover. This one really got you. Never seen you tear up before. Just know you save lives. RIP to this family.

  • @booboolips6053
    @booboolips6053 Před měsícem +26

    I’m in my late 50’s and have been a passenger on a plane only 6 times because I absolutely had to. I have a fear of heights and flying but I appreciate content like this because it’s informative and educational. I think without my phobia I would have made a good pilot because to this day I operate my car with as much care as you discuss in your videos concerning aircraft. It’s an incredible privilege and responsibility to operate any type of equipment that has the ability to make people’s lives easier but can also take those lives away if not used properly.

    • @Pewnhound112
      @Pewnhound112 Před měsícem +3

      A friend of mine who works for PG&E a long time ago suggested I should be a lineman. I told him “absolutely not I’m terrified of heights and getting electrocuted” and he replied “that’s exactly why you’d make a good lineman”.

    • @chuckcampbell3927
      @chuckcampbell3927 Před měsícem

      🛫📖🛬
      Well said ✈️👍

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator Před měsícem

      I see a lot of people who put themselves and others in danger by being so careful they become what we call "a hazard to navigation." So don't get in others way with what you think is being careful.

  • @DoudD
    @DoudD Před měsícem +43

    Sad. As I watched the video my heart sank deeper and deeper. I've known some people who will never ask for help....but not with such tragic results. Pride cometh before the fall.

    • @dicksonfranssen
      @dicksonfranssen Před měsícem +3

      My worst fault, no help needed, that my wife finally rid me of. "It's okay honey, this freezer isn't that heavy". A month on the sofa fixed that problem.

    • @Electra225
      @Electra225 Před měsícem

      Totally agree with your comment here. I felt the very same way. Very sad.

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator Před měsícem

      Yes, they rely on ego and luck and never just back off. It is not pride it is ego, learn the difference, please.
      Pride
      A feeling of joy and success that can lead to humility. Pride can be a feeling of satisfaction with one's own achievements or the achievements of others. It can also be a feeling of pride in one's abilities, appearance, wealth, or power. Pride can be a standard of approval that can motivate gratitude and appreciation.
      Ego
      A feeling of being superior to others, or self-admiration. Ego can be a self-image that can interfere with understanding and lead to hatred. Ego can also be a feeling of self-importance or arrogance. Too much ego can lead to arrogance.

    • @DoudD
      @DoudD Před měsícem

      @@superbmediacontentcreator OK. So that your apparent need to give instruction to others isn't wasted, how's this: "Ego cometh before the fall" ?

    • @superbmediacontentcreator
      @superbmediacontentcreator Před měsícem

      @@DoudD I gave no instructions to others just that if they use words they might want to use the appropriate words instead of the wrong words. You seem to be cast in the same mold as Jason, the guy who crashed in this video. So you might want to shut up and just take things in rather than open your mouth and confirm what others (obviously) think of you. Besides I am so out of your league that it's laughable.

  • @adamgibson8151
    @adamgibson8151 Před 22 dny

    You sir are saving lives with these videos. Thank you. It goes along with many other aspects in life but keeping our ego low and awareness high is one of the better lessons I've learned.

  • @nsdlsarn
    @nsdlsarn Před 29 dny

    Thank you for your videos and the quality of your technicality, helping pilots out there.

  • @bubba4072
    @bubba4072 Před měsícem +28

    These wrecks that involve families are always tough to hear about. 🙏

    • @kendallevans4079
      @kendallevans4079 Před měsícem +4

      While I agree with you, it still bothers me about the Dad's mind set. The family should be priority #1. For him to put them in danger, to me is very arrogant in that he thought he was competent enough to handle that flight at that stage in his experience.

  • @Hagop64
    @Hagop64 Před měsícem +37

    Another grim reminder of why rules and certifications exist.

    • @AFO3310
      @AFO3310 Před měsícem +8

      As we say in the industry, the rules and regs are written in blood.

    • @mrtbrocks5664
      @mrtbrocks5664 Před 24 dny

      I don't think any rule on the planet could have saved this family from perishing except one which doesn't exist, which is that, no pilot who lacks a current instrument rating and shall be permitted to depart an airport with passengers in a turbocharged complex aircraft when weather along the route of flight is forecast to be MVFR or worse, but I fear even such rule as that wouldn't have prevented this tragedy. The circumstances here are eerily similar to the JFK Jr. accident: Undertrained pilot who's not instrument rated in complex airplane flying passengers into instrument conditions and failing to ask for help or a way out (of IFR conditions) from ATC.

  • @amandablaise2112
    @amandablaise2112 Před 9 dny

    You're videos are amazing, and beautiful. Every one of them makes a positive contribution to the aviation community, and the body of knowledge that supports it. Looking forward to seeing this channel prosper for a long time.

  • @sammyspade123
    @sammyspade123 Před měsícem +20

    You made this one palpable and seeing the ripped apart pieces just drove home the message.

  • @michaellewis1703
    @michaellewis1703 Před měsícem +16

    I am not a pilot, but really like your content and always learn something from your videos. Whether it is something about the dynamics of flight
    or just human nature and the decisions we make and why we may make them. Thank you sir. This was a tragedy and my condolences to the family and friends.

  • @dadgarage7966
    @dadgarage7966 Před 26 dny +1

    Just yesterday, I read a comment from another CZcams video from a pilot who's flight instructor told him (paraphrasing), don't be in such a hurry to die.

  • @karleastman5456
    @karleastman5456 Před 26 dny

    I Appreciate ALL of your videos, Always very insightful.
    I sensed your emotional demeanor during this video, and it makes you human.

  • @flywiseman
    @flywiseman Před měsícem +13

    Absolutely terrible. I cant imagine making all those mistakes with my family on board. We are all fallible but that was 100% stupidity. Keep up the wonderful work Hoover i know i learn something with every video

  • @salcrocker894
    @salcrocker894 Před měsícem +24

    Thank you for your humanity and sensitivity to this pilot and his family. I am humbled by your tearful connection to these “real” people! As a current and veteran 35 year Airline pilot and Cessna 421 Owner/Operator, I appreciate your professional content and always try to learn from others mistakes. It is so sad to see poor decision making and the tragic loss of life. We all have to guard against making bad decisions at all levels of experience and equipment types. Thank you. My heart goes out to the family and friends of this beautiful family. Please be safe everyone and stay prayed up!

  • @tomalway8889
    @tomalway8889 Před 28 dny

    Thank you for what you do. I have learned so much by your debriefs. This one just broke my heart.

  • @dreamonstage
    @dreamonstage Před 25 dny

    I appreciate your empathy in these videos. It goes a long way.

  • @coltonogden1513
    @coltonogden1513 Před měsícem +6

    You can see it in his eyes and hear it in his voice that these losses hurt. Thank you for your lessons and encouraging us to think twice and make the right decisions

  • @dansanger5340
    @dansanger5340 Před měsícem +5

    It's always important to remember that while flying might be your passion, it might not be the passion of your friends and family, and it isn't fair to risk their lives for your hobby.

  • @bena2293
    @bena2293 Před 29 dny

    May God Bless, the Entire Family and Friends, that were Effected by this Tragic Loss. Thank you Pilot Debrief, for explaining, just how fast things can go from Bad to Worse and Asking for Help, is OK and a Good Thing to Do. I learn so much from your Channel .

  • @cklotter
    @cklotter Před 28 dny

    Thank you for this video, and all your debriefs.

  • @jamesgraham6122
    @jamesgraham6122 Před měsícem +14

    Two facts that need to be understood by low-time pilots with limited qualifications... Frame them and put it up on the wall:
    1) Highly successful accomplishment in your chosen field does not automatically equate to being a good pilot...
    2) A light aircraft with limited systems is NOT a 'Go anywhere at Anytime' mode of transport.

    • @Coops777
      @Coops777 Před 29 dny +1

      Nailed it. Little tiny single engined aircraft are no substitute for a passenger jet liner with multiple redundancies, purpose built for night, IMC and icing conditions. Oh, and two highly trained and experienced pilots.