Pilot's TERRIBLE Mistakes End in Chaos & Death
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- čas přidán 24. 02. 2024
- A pilot made several terrible mistakes on a short flight to Beaufort, North Carolina, and crashed, killing all eight persons onboard. My heart goes out to the families of the victims, especially because there were numerous opportunities to avoid this tragedy.
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There was a lot more that I could have talked about in this video, but it would have made it forty minutes long. Instead, what you can look forward to is I'm going to start including more details and commentary on these mishaps on my website at www.pilotdebrief.com. That's coming soon in the near future! Check out the site and be the first to find out!
We used to debrief in the ER after a trauma. Made us better. Seems today people don’t want to discuss mistakes only acknowledge them. Big mistake. Kinda seems like this guys health made him complacent. Can’t take short cuts when flying a plane. What a shame.
⚠️UNBELIEVABLE tragedy.
I have no words.
Since following Blancolirio and Dan Gryder and a few others, I trust no pilots and will think twice about flying in anything other than airliners
@@julesviolinyour mistrust is misplaced. We are not all untrustworthy or incompetent. By your reasoning , one should avoid all forms of transportation. Flying is still safe, these videos just make them safer. Take a few flying lessons and you will see the truth in my words
Very sad story 😥
I am always surprised to see IFR rated pilots lost in poor weather. In Europe we are trained and rated in real India Mike Conditions and fortunately it save lives.
@@julesviolindon’t distrust all the pilots. These videos are only of the bad ones, the overwhelming amount of good pilots, nobody is making videos of them.
He got on to the flight like he was going for a Sunday drive. Instrument flying is about meticulous planning and accounting for every minute of the flight as well as contingency plans and being 10 steps ahead. Ignore at your own peril. Great debrief and advice for pilots about the consequences. Keep up the good work.
With most of these crashes, there's a lot of life-lessons that can be applied to other things. I've seen crash-programs at my work (we produce aircraft parts and assemblies) due to some crisis where the boss directs that we gotta stay the course no matter what. When problems are brought up, his answer is, "We'll deal with that later, let's get the low-hanging fruit first," and the little problems never get dealt with. Guess what? That's what inevitably bites you in the butt later, screws things up, and costs a lot of time or money.
Agree 100% on IFR flying. Classic fail to prepare, prepare to fail.
I was thinking something similar, it seemed to me that this guy thought he was in a self-driving car. Most of the time when I hear about a small aircraft crash, the classic "VFR into IFR" comes to mind, but jebus in this case it's like he was deliberately trying to screw up.
"Instrument flying is about meticulous planning ..." He wasn't IFR. He _should have been,_ but he wasn't, hence the reason there was no "meticulous planning."
@@ChiIeboy
Very true. The problem with pushing off "the little stuff" until later is that they usually DON'T get dealt with later and that's what really bites you.
Like many of your other viewers, I am not a pilot. But your explanations are so clear and easy to understand that even non-pilots can appreciate the lessons learned. Love your videos!
Great to hear! Thanks!
Yeah it's great, after a while I'm able to understand, to some degree, the repercussions of minor incidents that make up a bigger picture because he's clearly conveyed the details in past videos that even a non-pilot can understand. It's much appreciated.
@osier769 Me too and it makes it much more informative when listening to it.
Me too ….thanks
And me! I love to learn from your videos. I drive the Gray Buffalo and ride my bicycle 😅
That’s brutal. Those passengers without a doubt, heard that long debacle up front, the aural warnings going off, and the “experienced” pilot cussing as the airplane flew out of control. What a horrifying way to go out. May they RIP.
Why didn't the plane owner, Douglas Hunter, get involved and try to help? Surely he knew how to fly, probably was the 2nd or even 1st most experienced as the others clearly weren't that experienced.
I normally don't speak out, but I was thinking the same thing. What was his son doing in the right seat when he couldn't even program the guidance system? Sounds to me like it was ego that took the plane down and nothing more.@@nofurtherwest3474
@@nofurtherwest3474 A lot of people rich enough to own private jets hire pilots.
🐒jetpilott, and the passengers were never heard on the tape, thought that if they'd stay still🥺, the pilot, father of their friend, would focus and fix it. But being heavily under influence of oxycodon, the pilot couldn't process anything! 🤦🏽♀️
@fleur8100 no toxicology report means that you are incorrect.
As a surgeon, even the most minor surgical procedures can become a disaster if not planned well. It is sobering to see that even 'small details' like non planning can lead to massive disaster. I teach my students all the time to always "check the films and recheck sidedness and review the slides yourself". Complacency is a dangerous trait. Excellent presentation Hoover and thank you for your service.
I do coding for hospital reimbusement, please teach your student to NOT SIGN EVERY QUERY THEY GET, many of you, I don't think bother reading them and the CDI people do many of them and they rational they use to try to justify getting a response from you MD's, is most often, a smh/red flag for us coders. Remember, you ATTEST the the diagnosis that are given..
@@nunya2954 Frustrating day?
@@prun8893 I don't have frustrating days. Life if great
That's fine, but that still doesn't fix whatever the problem was in the brain of the orthopedic surgeon who tried to prescribe me crutches when I had a broken hip, thumb, and separated shoulder on the same side.
The guy was simply an idiot. There was nothing he could recheck to make him not an idiot.
Oh yes, and I remember this now: he prescribed 4 Vicodin per day for pain, and gave me twenty pills for a week. Take a minute if you like. When I called up on the 6th day requesting a refill, he said I was using them too fast, and wanted me to come in to discuss whether I was abusing narcotics. Sure, let me hop on my bicycle. When I yelled at him that 4x7 is 28, he asked if I wanted Percocet instead. I screamed "I want 28 Vicodin per week, not stronger narcotics."
@steelhealer1..... I bet you didn't foresee everyone writing up a grievance about their bad medical experiences to YOU. Lol. I was laughing as I read the comments. It's almost as if they believe you are partially responsible for their medical woes.
I couldn’t imagine how terrifying it would be, to be a passenger and watch all of this unfolding right there in front of you.
There's a very good chance they didn't even notice. Spacial disorientation can happen even with indicators infront of you. Back in the cabin you likely would be oblivious.
@@whitey129agree, and hope that was so. As a pilot, I have sweat on the left side of my face a couple times while assuring my passenger that all was well.
@@whitey129 No guy, it´s was pure panic...but the boys were young and fearless so maybe they were screaming like the woman might have been.
@pauldailey4477 Super cool post dude!
@areza15143 Thanks for the pilot input. I'm only an enthusiast. 👍
Those poor passengers who were "just along for the ride" had plenty of time to fear for their lives. Realizing the pilot is confused, struggling and cussing they must have known they were in serious trouble. RIP to all.
did they forget to tell the kids In case of a water landing, their seat can be used as a flotation device?
@@user-eb6bw5jn1y karma for what?
@adawfaf3842 this dude probably hates hunting
@@jacobdefenderfer4747 I'm shocked the FBI isn't going SEE guns on planes bad.
They never knew until the last few seconds.
I am 71 year old Australian pilot.
I have been flying for over 40 years, these days I just fly my own LSA which I maintain myself so it is very cheap flying.
In the 80's I worked as a charter pilot and flying instructor flying all the major singles and multiple twins including the Cessna 300 and 400 series
I held multiengine Command Instrument ratings.
It has seemed to me, for decades, that American pilots have an over reliance on the autopilot, to the detriment of instrument hand flying skill.
On all of my training flights the autopilot was not used.
VFR, NVMC, IFR, Approaches, the lot, ALL hand flown.
Back in those old days the autopilots were pretty ordinary and it was usually much more comfortable and efficient to hand fly the plane.
I used to read the American flying magazines with articles like " I suddenly found myself in the clouds so I immediately turned on the autopilot"!
So many of these recent crashes involve mis-using an auto pilot, concentrating on un-important things, rather than the basics of flying the aircraft.
Even when flying charter flights it was rare to use the autopilot unless the air craft was very sophisticated with a very reliable auto pilot.
Hand flying was simply smoother!
I remember One private flight in a piper single, into the cloud at 700ft, 3 hours hand flying in the clouds and VFR again at 700ft on approach at the destination.
All quite normal!
If you are flying IFR, you should be able to hand fly for hours without any stress or concern, it should be automatic.
I once had a slowly failing and toppling attitude indicator while in cloud.
A little confusing at first but the scan soon revealed the failing instrument.
No problem just fly partial panel and carry on as normal!
If you can't hand fly on instruments you have NO business flying IFR!
Great comment. I got my instrument rating in a Grumman Tiger with only some KX155's and a DME. No GPS. No HSI. No autopilot.
Scan. Scan. Scan. Scan.
My instructors favorite teaching aid was a pack of yellow sticky notes he would randomly stick over gauges. Oops just lost your vacuum pump... now what.
I do love having an autopilot when things start getting really really busy though. Even just a simple wing leveler can take a ton of stress off.
You are a good pilot!@@sugershakify
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I can relate to my sailing without GPS. I prefer to calculate my bearings myself, which provides me with the feeling that I know where I am! You cannot imagine the number of sailors who are not interested in being able to sail without GPS. Let alone the piloted sailing software.. Why don’t they play a sailing video game at home.. 😂
OK you're just lucky to be alive man. And know if you're in a fog somewhere and you're playing had a failure like the altitude indicator and positional how would you handle that?
When I was a flying instructer I ran across a few students who were wealthy business men with deep pockets and big egos, a dangerous combination.
You see it all the time in things like music and acting where people who are mid or even terrible got there on wealth or nepotism. The difference is they are not likely to kill people doing that.
How is this pertinent to this case? The owner of the plane (I.e. your wealthy businessman) was not the pilot.
This guy was literally flying by the seat of his pants, with virtually no preparation on ANY level. I didn't think this level of incompetence was even possible. It's a miracle he made it to 3,000 hours to begin with.
I always thought flight experience should be in flight hours as well as flight miles flown.
sad but true
Probably fudged those numbers..
Totally agree, there was an earlier comment that this was complacency which was maybe, 10% of the pilot’s behavioural issues. The rest is TOTAL incompetence.
Everything is so easy when you can see the ground and the horizon.
I am a retired Law Enforcement Helicopter Pilot. Your briefings and conclusions are spot-on. I really enjoy them. You are doing a fabulous job. As LE Pilots we spent a tremendous amount of time studying others crashes, critiquing our own missions, and basically working hard to be the best professional Aviators we could be. You do a good job pointing out the mistakes in a respectful manner. We can all learn from this. Complacency kills. We must never forget that.
That's amazing !! @@smf333 Any crazy stories? Or "interesting"(🛸) sightings?
As a retired Disk Shaped UFO pilot I also agree with you
@@iLLBiLLsRoastBeats That a joke? Whats god got to do with anything? One plane went down in nearly 30 years. ONE. Thousands of flights and one accident. It was a very very safe plane. Far safer than (insert pretty much any small aircraft or helicopter, that all have far worse safety records than the mighty Concorde). Or are you saying that if ONE machine of its type goes wrong then its because of God no one else died? So what about trains? Cars? Hot air balloons? Unicycles? And motorbikes? Holy shit, even an omnipotent thing is going to be kept busy perfoming miracles of non-death with those things! lol.
@@jamesmaybrick2001 a sphincter says what ?
So your the rat in the ghetto bird.....
As a former military pilot I'm VERY thankful for the professionals that trained us and the other great pilots I've flown with. We never missed a step in planning and preflight briefings were complete and post flight briefings were times of laughing at ourselves and learning. I'm so sorry for the loss of these eight souls.
Id only fly with a military pilot. My husband was a military test pilot. He always said "beware of the self improvers"
This is why my instructor drilled into me... "aviate, navigate, communicate, in that order, no exceptions".
Thanks Hoover, these debriefs will no doubt save lives in the future.
This guy failed all 3
I was going to say it sounds like this guy got so caught up in the navigation that he neglected what I would have thought was the #1 priority: make sure the plane is flying.
oxygen
That was me too, the whole time I'm yelling at the video, AVIATE,AVIATE,AVIATE!!!
36 years ago and never forgot arch, look, reach, pull and fly like a bird
EVERY pilot should be watching this channel.
Indeed! I'm not a pilot. Actually I'm only rarely a passenger in commercial craft. Yet I am totally engaged and immersed in Hoover's objective, intelligent and respectful debriefs because they are filled with lessons for everyone: having a plan; having a contingency plan (or two); not being complacent; not being arrogant; being completely informed of factors that can affect your flight (task at hand), etc...
Everybody about to climb into a light aircraft with that friend that's a pilot
Definitely yes!
The panic that must have been prevalent on that Flight Deck made me feel sick! I've flown 50+ years and now retired as my physical and mental capabilities are of a 77 year old and I recognise my limitations. It's a tough decision but I'm right.
Have u ever gone though disorientation in the clouds ?
@@markymark6948 Yes! And it is the worst feeling in the world. Your instruments show you straight and level...you head tells you descending left bank. You have to fight the lizard brain and believe the panel.
Good for you. Many keep flying after 65 selfishly in this regard and don't weight in what could happen in the ground.
i cant tell you how much i respect you. Knowing your limits takes alot.
If you miss the cockpit, try setting up a high-end flight simulator. Get some large screens, top notch flight controls and a powerful computer. It is a chance to "fly" all sorts of planes and all sorts of places and airports around the planet, or even other planets like Arrakis in a Dune ornithopter when the meds kick in.
The pilot blurting out "I hate it when this happens" about being that behind the aircraft with zero planning is a pretty ominous statement. It makes you wonder if this pilot had a tendency for unplanned / lackadaisical flying and just happened to have gotten lucky in the past. "Normalization of deviance" isn't just something that happens in big organizations, it's a phenomenon we can fall prey to in our minds too.
We should all debrief our own flights the way you debrief these accidents. Where did we "get away with one" and how can we avoid those dangerous corners in the future?
Thank you for another excellent analysis.
THAT! I already made lengthy post about my observations, but that was one of the points that made me twist inside, but almost all of that Debrief had my internal BPD meter's needle on the red.
I wish my dad was still around to share your channel with. He was a GA IR pilot from 1949 until I was a late teen in the 1980's. I hear so many of his tales of caution in your debriefs. He was a superb instrument IP and would thoroughly agree with your assessment here. 💯
It would have been a crime had CZcams left this channel demonetized... Welcome back, Hoover, and thank you for these amazing videos.
CZcams had demonitized this channel for a period of time? If so, why?
@@144k_Kingdom_Living There's an explanation from Hoover on a CZcams Community post from about a month ago... But basically CZcams demonetized him when he tried to change the type of bank account his revenue was being deposited into (if I recall correctly). CZcams was just being really, really dumb.
@@Zaguzah Wow.... It is crazy how we are under control of robots in this "system". I recentlh had everything stolen from me and was locked out of my Gmail. It is impossible to speak with anyone at Google. You interface Good thru A.I. These are very scary times when you can just be "cancelled" digitally whenever the powers that be deem it necessary or a mistake has been made. Nearly all the people I watched on CZcams in the truther community have either been removed, silenced or killed. It is only a matter of time before all this end badly. Thank you for responding to ny question. I read the posts on the community tab.
It's so hard for me, a non-pilot, to comprehend how an experienced pilot could let a precision aircraft like the Pilatus get out of control. Such a sad and senseless loss. Thank you for the analysis.
All his health issues and the meds he was taking were a major part of his poor decision making . He should have voluntarily quit flying.
The Pilatus PC-12 is a high performance, thus, a demending airplane, because the pilot can get BEHIND the airplane, unless he PLANS AHEAD... which evidently he did not.
The Pilatus is not a relatively slow Cessna or Piper. It becomes very deemanding due to its greater speed. This pilot flew that high performance turboprop like it was a rental car! In addition to poor health conditions, it was very possible that Personality issues got involved, like becoming mad at hos own son, expecting too much from him, and wanting to punish him for not meeting his expectations. Familiarity between crew members can be a huge distractor when personality gets in between. Absolutely no "teaching" should happen during a demanding flight in difficult weather and with passengers aboard!
Not gonna lie, as a non pilot I struggle to understand it myself. I don’t understand why they don’t default back to basic training when something like the stick shaker kicks in. More power, nudge the nose down, recover from the stall, level out, adjust power and trim appropriately then just freaking fly straight while you figure out WTF you did wrong.
If you just fly straight without gaining or losing altitude it’s kinda hard to get unlucky enough to crash into a mountain or something. Surely that would buy them enough time to figure out what to do. At that point survival should be the only thing that matters. Save thinking about what you’re gonna do to save your pilot license when you’re on the ground.
Sometimes total flight hours is a very poor measurement.
Is it 3000 hours with each of those hours adding to handling skills, system knowledge, situational awareness, forward planning and flight management?
Or merely an accumulation of hours droning on in perfect visual conditions with no real progression in proficiency.
In my very early years of aviation I knew a "commercial pilot" in my aero club that had 2000+ hours ,which was impressive experience to student pilots who had accumulated flight hours way less than a single one hundred.
But this individual's entire experience after obtaining his private then commercial licence was flying joyflights in the circuit of that aero club over many years.
I recall an unkind - but basically accurate - assessment of that individual's experience as:
"He doesn't have 2000 hours - he has 20 minutes of experience 6000 times".
Oxy
Why do you think no autopsy!
I love that feeling, that last minute on the run-up pad, when my iPad is set up perfectly how I like it, the navigator has the matching flight plan in it, my bugs are set, bluetooth to my panel and my headset are live, my freqs are all right where I want em... understanding the systems and managing them in a really structured way, is one of my favorite parts of flying. So I enjoy--truly enjoy--the very parts that he skipped over. Knowing you're way ahead of the airplane is just the best. But... that's just me, and I am surprised by how many pilots I fly with don't like all the buttonology and just want to get going. If you want to be an instrument pilot, learn to truly enjoy the setup, and create your own personal flows.
He had no business flying anyone!!!!!! What a beautiful forensic debrief..prayers for the victims
As a young paramedic, our instructor told us that we’d likely not make any errors regarding treatment or drug therapy due to being new and very cognizant of this very fact. She said that an error will be made long after you’ve been a paramedic and become complacent. We had cross checks that had to be verbalized prior to any treatment that could cause a grievous error. Right patient, right drug, right dose, right route and right time. It seems that many of these crashes are caused by complacency and simple lack of good piloting procedures. This needs to stop.
I know it isn't as severe situation, but I learned this lesson making pizza. My first few months, I never burned myself on the pizza oven.. After that when I got comfortable, I started burning my arms all the time.
@@therocinante3443 I think it's true of a lot of jobs, safety critical ones or not. You get complacent when everything has gone fine for a while in any job unless you are aware of the risk of doing so, and make it a basic principle of what you do that you always go through safety procedures every time, however boring or time-consuming, or however anyone else may pressure you not to, or laugh at you for doing it. It has to be such an ingrained thing that you never skim through or skip it.
Oh wow, I work as a ramper (I herd planes around the apron) and we were taught the exact same thing. It’s probably not going to be the new staff that get themselves sucked into a jet engine or flattened by a reversing bowser, but those that have been there for awhile and have gotten comfortable with the apron environment.
@@mikoto7693 As the saying goes, fear keeps you alive. If you lose that, you need to become extra aware of your situation to comphensate.
Same thing with riding horses.
I've flown several times private charter. Having been a crash investigator in the USAF I am always amazed at how many pilots fly impaired. I was on a commercial flight and watched a pilot leave the sky lounge stumbling to the gate. Huge shock, MY Flight! I reported it at the gate and refused to board. The story I was given, don't worry. He's in transit to another airport and is not the pilot. I didn't see it on the news until 6 months later. Same guy did it again but this WAS the pilot. His Co-pilot reported him and refused to fly. He was subsequently fired during the investigation. 23 years down the tubes concerned me not. 100+ Souls on board all of his flights concerned me.
I have to agree. All the lack of prep, all the ignoring the "check" protocols, the failure to recognize the visible weather problem, the "we'll get that later" . . . all really sounds like he was impaired. I understand that he became spacially disoriented, and had he been in acceptable visual flight conditions that wouldn't have happened and he would have recognized the issues and either prevented the situation or recovered. However the amount of time he is pre-occupied with the autpilot WHILE in non-visual flight conditions (get a stopwatch and wait the intervals Hoover called out while he's repeatedly cursing at the system, focused on it, while he doesn't notice the flight conditions deteriorate) is telling. He's got no visual references . . . and he's going THAT long without checking airspeed, altitude, attitude on the instruments. He appears to be having massive problems even doing the necessary and critical multi-tasking, let alone properly prioritizing those tasks.
Right, even as a non pilot I could see where this was going even before they took off. But admittedly I don’t understand how he didn’t default back to the basics after the first stick shaker event. Even I know the basics for handling that. I don’t really get why he didn’t recover, level out and fly straight until he figured things out. If you don’t descend you can’t crash unless there’s a mountain in front of you or have the amazing bad luck of hitting another aircraft in flight.
The same happened to JFK, Jr., without the medical impairment being a factor.
@@mikoto7693
Yes, i'm not a pilot - can't afford an aircraft, the time and the training costs - but one thing I see time after time when crashes (NOT "accidents") occur is the repeated observation that the pilots failed THE most important thing - FIRST fly the 'plane, then sort out the problem(s).
Airlines I know of, prohibit pilots from drinking any alcohol while on duty, regardless if they are the flight crew or not. If a pilot is incapacitated, the pilot passenger will be needed to assist. Furthermore, if the pilot is off duty, but just catching a ride, he still can't drink in uniform.
This guy was completely clueless! “Just a few mistakes” is a huge understatement
I used to fly a little and I had a great instructor. He drilled it in to me that if something happened like stalls or near stalls or unstable speed and pitch etc forget everything else and focus on just getting the airplane back to flying. These guys broke that rule by trying to do other things while the plane wasn't even in stable flight and they paid for it.
I'm Estonian and my English is not good, but I really like how you explain things, everything is easy to understand
Slava Estonia!
Watch out for putin.
Hoover enunciates his words quite well.
(Specifucally, he is strong with his vowels)
American English naturally softens the consonants...except for Central Texas accents. We are the only people in the USA that don't replace our T's with D's that I know of. (Like in the word "Radiator", for example). Just a fun fact.
I'm a pedestrian, and my hearing is not too good. I'm constantly dodging everything.
Your English and grammar is better than most of the people that comment. Cheers.
As retired AFRes/ANG FS trained in human factors and mishap investigation, your presentations are spot on. Makes me proud to have been a small part of the AF flight safety community. 3-4 of your debriefs should be required for new pilots and recertifications.
@user-eb6bw5jn1y
Why are you being disrespectful. I bet you could never get to to the level he attained. Plus he is complimenting Pilot Debrief. If you don't like the channel, don't watch the videos and don't comment. Simple as that.
@@tylermatthews6130 well said. he is just a troll, ignore him!
@user-eb6bw5jn1yuninstall youtube already ma’am
@@LiamFisawesomefr lol what a jerk
Thanks for the debrief.
This one happened close to me and it's a small community so it hit really hard losing all of those kids.
Agree, I live in NC and thought just how sad this was.
My dad was a private pilot when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s. He was an instructor. We used to fly out of Pitman airport in NJ, a grass field airport ( the airport is long gone now) and Bridgeport airport in NJ, a bigger hard runway airport ( also long gone). I loved flying with my dad, he was always very professional and serious about flying and would never let me fly with any of his buddies at the airport. I guess he knew some people treat flying like its not a serious business.
@mikewillis7261 same for me. I flew so many hours with my dad out of Lilydale airport (actually located at Yarra Glen) outside of Melbourne Australia, but started in the late 60’s when I was in primary school. I had total faith in my father always, he was always the most thorough and capable man that I have ever met, so I was never afraid with him. Im so glad that I had those times with him, it was where he felt free (he was a very successful and driven businessman) and he felt at peace up there. It remained his passion all of his life even though he had to stop due to heart issues which devastated him (he chose to stop before he was medically unfit to fly) as he considered himself to be a danger to others. He died aged 87 in 2022, missing it until the end. I miss him so much. Best wishes to you
A friend of mine had cancer, and he took oxycodone for the pain. It helped his pain somewhat, but also made him a DANGEROUSLY INCOMPETENT DRIVER. It was actually terrifying being the passenger while he was driving. He would run into other cars for no reason, blow red lights, try to take u-turns when there is not enough room to do so, fail to notice cars up ahead that were braking causing him to have to brake very hard not to crash, etc. I had to take over driving from him on numerous occasions because of this.
People on opioids probably shouldn't drive while on them, for the same reason that people who are very drunk should not drive.
Doubly so for flying planes.
@user-eb6bw5jn1yall the people whose lives are put in danger around someone operating a vehicle under the influence of others, those people care.
do not take oxycodone, etc...what you are doing is attaining some numbness and when that is gone you need more numbness....we need to deal with pain with simpler meds and treatments...
If everyone taking mind altering substances chose not to drive you’d have the interstate highways all to yourself. America is drowning in pills, pot, and alcohol.
@@prevost8686 The fermented foods like probiotics have alcohol in them
Recently I had not fully recovered from a nasty infection and when I was driving my reflexes were terrible and my mind was not sharp . I was cognizant enough to just get home and put it in the garage ! Being sick and weak is just like drunk driving !
It truly is.
Regardless of the cause, impairment is impairment. Over 20 years ago, I was at my parents' for Thanksgiving with plans to go deer hunting with my father and uncles. I managed to sprain my ankle on Thanksgivings Day, but was determined to go hunting the next day. I put linament on my ankle that night. I taped my ankle the next morning like I had when I played football. My mother, with the best intentions, gave me some Tylenol3 for the pain. Well... after the first drive of the day, the linament got really active from my taped ankle sweating and I was quite uncomfortable. When we regrouped, I was unable to make out faces at 50 yards. I unloaded my rifle immediately, slung it on my shoulder, and excused myself from the day's hunt. I probably could have pushed through, but I would rather lose a day's hunt than a family member.
Exactly. The first item on the IMSAFE checklist is;
Illness - Do I have any symptoms?
It's not tho.... if your really really sick it's a different level of impairment but just cause u have a flu doesn't mean it's the same as being wasted behind the wheel... do you know how many ppl get the flu per year in the usa? 40 million. If driving with the flu was like drinking and driving you'd have millions of fatalities a year. Stop exaggerating.
@@cremebrulee4759its not tho. 40 million ppl get the flu a year in the usa. And many of them drive.... you really think a drunk driver is the same as some that is sick.... hahahahahahaha..... you must be boring at parties dude
People are so quick to jump in a small plane with their family thinking it’s just as safe as commercial jet travel. It’s not!!!!!
All videos of this type have convinced me to never take a seat on anything but a commercial flight.
Yes
@@johnmacri7440 are commercial flights safer? There is a young lady who flies all around the world in her small plane. She never crashed. It depends on the pilot. Plenty of people successfully fly small planes
@@laurynmauvais5469the threshold to becoming a commercial pilot is much greater.
For instance, drug screenings and Medicaid. Private pilots have none, base level commericial pilots have rare but random screenings, and commercial pilots routinely and randomly.
So to your point about it’s mostly the pilot, there are a lot more barriers to entry to become a major airline pilot in US.
@@laurynmauvais5469 Commercial airlines are the undisputed safest way to travel on Earth.
@@laurynmauvais5469 they most certainly are safer. the fact that there 'is a lady who never crashed' (there is also Amelia Earhart who disappeared) means nothing other than some misplaced argument for gender parity. thousands of people fly - men and women - however commercial is way safer than general aviation as GA is the group that is bringing down the 'flying is safe' stats while commercial is keeping them sky high;
I can’t for the life of me understand how anyone with this kind of reasonable amount of hrs (3000) could even think to take a sophisticated aircraft load it with ‘souls onboard’, not even knowing how to enter properly into the autopilot but fully expecting his son, with very little time even just flying to do it ‘in the air’!
Just boggles the mind!
Seeing the obession he has with trying to get the auto-pilot to fly for him till the last second... makes me wonder if he actually knows how to fly a plane by hand... autopilot would be the last thing i'd be thinking about using when things are going bad...
Just because someone has a pilot license doesn't mean they should be flying.
@@aquaticape2273 - They can be stubborn know it alls who will not take advice. Their way or no way.
don't forget he even forgot his own eye glasses and wasn't able to see or read without them
It's American training standards. There's no way someone with his training should have that few skills but in America you can pay to get through the training and the standard are poor to begin with. These kind of situation are insanely rare in other first world countries with high standards.
Pilot’s literal flight plan: “let’s just follow the dang coast” 🤦🏻♂️
These debrief's must be helping so many pilots improve their skills and save lives - thanks for taking the time to create these!
A tragic avoidable crash, your analysis is very instructional. I’m a commercial pilot with 40 plus years. The only times where I have came close to being uncomfortable are where there’s been an omission at the planning stage.
“Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect.”
Probably every pilot, or aspiring pilot, has read these words in some form. The statement was made by Captain Alfred G. Lamplaugh, Principle Surveyor for The British Aviation Insurance Co., Ltd.
So glad the channel not only survived, but will thrive. You do great work.
@user-eb6bw5jn1yWhy?
@user-eb6bw5jn1yhow so?
@user-eb6bw5jn1y Anonymous hater, why don't you give some constructive criticism?
@user-eb6bw5jn1y Would you be able to comment specifically on how his work is crappy?
@joshuafaustini532 jealously and laziness is the above persons problem
I'm local to this incident. It was a very sad situation with so many young lives lost. For a long time i was assuming it would be a medical emergency leading to the crash. Then they published the CVR transcript and even to a non-pilot like me and it was painfully obvious the pilot was completely unaware of what was going on
I know right? It got to the point where if I’d been a passenger I might’ve ask “Uh, do you want me to hang on to the yoke and just fly straight, wings level while you figure out WTF you’ve done to the navigation?”
How can one pilot be so bad? RIP to all. What a terrible waste of life.
Lives, not "life."
THANK YOU for not doing an annoying, repetitive, and self-serving intro on your vids!!
Good to have you back, Hoover.
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So why are you here?@user-eb6bw5jn1y
@user-eb6bw5jn1y Filthy troll
How capable (and credible) is a man that allows others to call him "Teen"?
This guy wasn't going to have his fun "teen" years taken away from him until someone pried them out from his cold, dead fingers. If you are living your younger years vicariously via whatever means possible you damn well better grow up in the planning department so that you develop a very, very healthy appreciation of the fact that both the sea and the air are extremely unforgiving of even the slightest mistakes that are made in less than ideal conditions. Unfortunately for all souls onboard this vital understanding was not clearly communicated prior to the take-off roll.
I have to say that I love and appreciate that all of your videos show the utmost compassion and empathy for everyone that has died. Including the one that made the error. Its kind and also more professional. Thank you for having such a refreshing channel.
Welcome back to producing these insightful videos for the community. Thanks!
Wow! Thank you! I’m glad to be back. It was concerning, for a short time, not knowing how things were going to turn out with Google and CZcams.
As a family doctor of several commercial pilots I always inform them about the side effects of their medication and give them enough time to recover. Most of them try to use this time on the ground for simulator training.
Another factor that should be considered is how much oxycodone was he taking (how often, what dosage). People do not recognize use of opioids over time can interfere w/the ability to problem solve. Thinking can be very impaired, including with that a sense of invincibility. His reliance on his inexperienced son was another bad sign.
As a family pilot of several doctors, I always inform them about the side effects of buying V-tail bonanzas.
@@MH-qb9ev Haha, not here in Austria! I get € 20,96 per Patient per quarter of a year! My car is 14 years old.
@@MH-qb9ev😅
Hoover offers extensively researched, professionally informed commentary that takes into account dozens of factors. I can't do that, so here's my take:
NEVER trust a 67 year old man whose nickname is "Teen". He started exhibiting poor decision making and used repeated expletives long before the plane was in any immediate danger. He was really living up to that nickname, and it got 8 people killed.
The fact that he was on Percocet ALONE should have grounded him. His attitude plus his medical history was a recipe for disaster. So sad he took 7 people with him.
With that many subscribers, you have probably saved more lives than the Air National Guard.
Thanks Hoover!
Sir! glad to see you are back! I hope you continue posting and have everything sorted out with the channel. your wellness is in our thoughts and prayers!
I hope so too! Thanks!
Another thing I believe needs to be mentioned is that this appears to be yet another pilot who treats the autopilot as a crutch rather than an aid. Autopilot should not be used to compensate for poor flying ability.
Yes and Dude didn’t even bring his glasses
@@Timshot100 and flying VFR
@@baronvolkov6172 His reading glasses. He needed glasses to see his iPad, not to fly VFR.
Hearing this case gives a lot of reasons to be angry. What mind blowing level of ignorance, incompetence and irresponsibility. Not to imagine what would have happened if they had crashed into populated areas.
What was she doing during all this? There is an entire set of controls in front of her.
These videos always make me sick to my stomach, but they are a must-watch for pilots and students. I don't ever want to go into a cockpit taking anything for granted.
Despite 3K flying hours this pilot was totally unprepared and mostly unqualified to fly, making error after error and on top of the error.
Shocking.
The negligence here is palpable. Unreal how so many careless individuals are able to fly aircraft. Such a terrible loss on such a short flight. I frequent Beaufort throughout the Summer and that is such a short drive. Should've seen the weather and called the flight off.
From a former Eagle Keeper, glad to have you back on here!!
Why wasnt there an autopsy or toxicology done? That seems like it should be required for all aviation accidents!
May not have recovered enough for a sample.
@@AlanToon-fy4hg oof. Yeah, might could be.
You do a really good job at describing the facts on these incidents and accidents. As a US AFIP of 20 years, I have to hand it to you, you have a very clear minded And very factual input to these accidents. I wish I had time to get on with the public as you do, but I am thankful that you have enough time to produce thought-provoking information to all those that listen to your channel
I used to work with a former F15 pilot. I asked him if he still flew. He said he didn't because there were too many people in the air who didn't know what they were doing.
I sit here and go why, just how all these mistakes were made, so heartbreaking, thank you for another great debrief Hoover.
lack of planning ahead cause all that mistake lol.
For sure right.@@choua01
A plane full of souls you allow your kid that no clue what he is doing be navigator. Absolutely reckless. Tragic.
Heart breaking for sure!@@pmccoy8924
Oxy codone
Hoover, man, Im lovin your channel! It just popped up in my suggestions, and Im totally hooked! Great content, explanation, and entertaining as well as educational. Thanks!!
Me too
Life is short ladies and gentlemen. Don’t take the small things for granted and appreciate that you’re alive and breathing on this day, for we don’t know when our time will expire.
OMG - the fact there is a recording of the audio unveils the tragic errors of the pilot. There is no need to question what possibly could have happened.
Thank you for this. I’ll never understand how or why a pilot wouldn’t take every precaution, requirement and redundancy available, let alone with so many souls on board.
Your diction is very clear and crisp.
Your videos make me appreciate how many hoops commercial pilots must go through to fly 100+ people across the country. I know there's a lot of amatuer and semi professional pilots who are good/great at what they do but you just never know what kind of practices people and companies employ. I know big airlines aren't perfect but I feel safer knowing that not just 'any pilot' can fly a Southwest 737. Thanks for the continued deep analysis that you do.
I'm not a pilot (by any definition); but I am sincerely pleased that "you're back". Very glad for you.
Thanks!
I appreciate your restraint shown in refraining from personal attacks against the pilot. Similarly, TNflygirl, despite having significantly less experience compared to the Pilatus pilot, shared a common experience. Both individuals lacked familiarity with operating the airplane navigation system, which may have contributed to the autopilot-induced stall.
AP distraction and over reliance is the throughline culprit. I tell people to turn that thing off if it’s giving you any issues at all.
I would also say that tunnel vision due to the unexpected failures was a significant factor. We can see in this incident that despite continuous auditory and kinetic warnings, the pilot continued to be worried about his navigation settings right up until the plane completely stalled. In these conditions, the task saturation can lead to this kind of single minded focus and it's just really hard to read and watch it all happen from the outside.
As a young pilot these debriefs are invaluable and I take something away each time ! Thank you! Sorry for the victims 😢
How incredibly sad and unneccesary.
Wow, that was so grossly negligent it bordered on suicide. I really feel for innocent people who trust utterly incompetent people with their lives. So sad.
Honestly. I’m wondering, like did he have a stroke or something?? Surely a pilot would quickly realize that their incompetence will result in death and maybe step it up. The final minutes of his flight, when he was muttering one word at a time. He genuinely sounds like he was mentally impaired or something. Either that or just a really terrible pilot.
During my flight training, I learned that I am not a pilot. I learned that details bore me. It was an invaluable lesson that prepared me to enjoy life.
I live in the Piedmont region of North Carolina and have been to that area many times, mostly fishing. I thought it was especially tragic that these young guys were having the time of their lives and it ending this way. Not forgetting about the others as well.
What a tragedy?! Thank you for another excellent report.
I agree with almost everything you say. The exception is when (after about @3:35) you say “when you have a bunch of other minor things that add up” … in my (very limited aviation) experience, they don’t “add up”, they MULTIPLY! And that is what magnifies the effect of each of those things.
I’m a student pilot with only about 20 hours with my CFI. Using checklists is being hammered home on every flight lesson. In addition, the IMSAFE checklist would possibly have been enough to not fly. Very sad to see the chain reaction leading to such a horrible ending.
Thanks Hoover for the detailed explanation.
What is IMSAFE? Like: did you drink 🍹, sick, in a cast, …?
Imagine the Plane Owner realizing he had hired an incompetent Pilot in those moments of absolute chaos leading to the Death of all on board! Terrible
I’ve made a holy oath to NEVER get into a small aircraft with a friend/family member claiming they can fly it.
Keep the good work, Hoover. Your debriefs are excellent in content and opinion, and a great contribution to the aviation community.
This is on the pilot 100%. He should not have been flying while taking a opiates. He would have never passed a medical flight exam. Sometimes, having money makes you think you are invincible and get in the way of common sense and rational thinking. My prayers go out for all families involved in this tragic, unavoidable accident.
I agree that at the end of the day it is the moral obligation of the pilot to park the plane and not risk the lives of others.Having gone (going) through similar treatment for similar cancer I frequently make the decision to not drive my car and risk the safety of others.Opioids are a definite no go when operating any type of vehicle or machinery.
Drinking anything alcoholic, even in small amounts, aggravates the effect of opiates.
We don’t know that there were any opiates involved. This is a pretty serious allegation against the man.
Doesn’t seem like he should have been in a plane to me but it’s hard to call a dead man out without proof.
@@lauran3244 It's actually easier, that is why they like to blame dead pilots.
Is it confirmed that the pilot has taken pain meds before flying that day?
I follow another CZcamsr called Fly with Kay. After watching numerous videos, I began to fast forward through the first 5-10 minutes because she is sooo meticulous with her preflight checklist that it takes awhile. She never rushes or skips any steps. The second I heard you say that Teen took off 3 minutes after they boarded the plane I knew that wasn't the way it's supposed to go.
I live in Beaufort, NC a few miles from this crash. This was a very enlightening review of this tragedy. There was very little information available about this accident locally and you have answered many of my questions. This was such a preventable event. Thank you for your analysis. Hopefully, there will be lessons learned, but I am stunned by the multiple errors in judgment and reckless behavior of this pilot.
Hoover, well organized and inciteful as always. Your efforts are valuable teaching moments beyond flying. Thanks, glad you are back!!
It’s sad how the son stopped talking towards the end.. shows how terrified he was, 😢.
Great post as usual Hoover! Let me make sure I get this straight, he did not check the weather, did no preflight brief to his co-pilot, did not know R5306 was hot, did not set up his flight management system so he could navigate to his destination airport, and departed into IMC conditions without a clearance, got completely confused and disoriented and ended the lives of everyone on board. Absolutely unconscionable! The PC12 is a high performance demanding airplane that needs to be flown carefully. I hate to say it but this guy and his passengers were dead before engine start. Incredibly sad, but entirely avoidable.
100%
Don’t forget his copilot was a student pilot who is most likely never done any IFR training and hasn’t fully mastered using the GPS
@@Frankie2751very true, I read the transcripts from the CVR and that poor kid had no idea what he was doing. This goes to my point about not doing a brief and not setting up the Flight Management System prior to departure. So many failures on the part of the PIC.
Sounds like his dad thought he had a trained co-pilot in the right hand seat. The son probably doing his best not to disappoint dad. Tragedy all the way.@@Frankie2751
GREAT Work...Very In-Depth and Informative...Much THANKS!!!
I recently subscribed to your channel because you break everything down so thoroughly and there so much incredibly good information that you make available through each debrief. You are a gifted communicator - I am not a pilot but have always had a tremendous interest in flying. Great job, Hoover.
I'm not a pilot, but I've been in situations in a car in blizzards (I live in Canada) with passengers where I've come "this close" to crashing and my passengers had no idea. So, you are there, blood pressure through the roof, and sweating and say to your family, "we're good, I've got this".
I was just thinking this myself, I drove my friend and I through a storm on a motorway (60mph) in the night and I was terrified, it is easily the worst experience for me driving. I definitely got spacial problems, it felt like I was in a tunnel.
Driving is analogous even while several magnitudes less regulated and with poor training and skill abundant. Lots of people drive around seemingly not knowing or at least not caring at all when weather conditions get worse. Some people are just an accident waiting to happen. It's quite often risky enough when you pay extra attention and reduce speed significantly. Most of the time it's ok when 1 out of 2 drivers at least reacted to something and/or even planned. I just hate the odds. In bad weather it feels like 3 out of 4 oncoming drivers don't really get it and rely on luck.
@@tonsssedell4318 Exactly.
@@joachim5080 It was just one particular moment. A bit of a fluke. I've lived in Canada my whole life and in a particular place where there is always lots of snow and blizzards. Sometimes, s h i t happens. I consider myself a pro in snow because it happens often.
But the thing with flying, you should NEVER put yourself in a situation where the outcome isn’t assured.. training, proficiency, ect.. he pilot should never feel “wow, that was close”
This is such a valuable series! Thanks for doing what you do.
Wow! You’re welcome!
I flew a lot with dad as a kid. I flew as a young man in plenty of actual IMC. It’s been almost 20 years since I last sat in the cockpit, but these stories make my pulse quicken and my mouth taste metallic. So many poor choices in this sad tale. Bedtime stories to chill your bones, for sure. Keep them coming, please.
I’m not even a pilot, but I really appreciate these videos. A disaster is often a string of errors and I see that recurring theme in your videos. Thank you.
As an air traffic controller and pilot, this kinda stupidity makes me question why some people can get a license let alone an instrument/commercial rating. Cant be that dumb when you got lives in your hand. Relying on an aircrafts navigation and autopilot is a for sure way to die. Needed to start hand flying the second he didnt know where to go.
I hold a A&P license but also am a 20yr. airchair pilot as well I got MSFS recently. Everything you mentioned in your videos is completely true. Even as a Flight Simmer you got to be prepared for emergency’s 🎉
I'm a VFR pilot and past Avionics tech. I found it too common when I flew with avionics customers to get them up to speed on their new equipment, that many were unable to stay in front of the plane and seemed to have lost their basic stick and rudder skills for anything other than the most normal situations. Even just remembering pitch controls airspeed was beyond some of them. They would regularly demonstrate a lack of airplane control, situational awareness and over reliance on equipment like autopilots. I times had the thought that if they were to get into weather and have the autopilot fail it would be a scary situation.
Its impossible to watch this video as a pilot and not see just how preventable this was. How people said Teen was a "good pilot" he probably was at some point but in this situation he obviously wasn't current on the equipment or his hand flying skills let alone his decision making being just wrong repeatedly. I've seen plenty of situations where experience brings complacency in flying and the risks associated and this seems like a great example.
Such a tragic story, but thank you for the debrief Hoover. I appreciate the fact that you stress the importance of the debrief in being crucial for improving performance for the future, while being sensitive to the families of the victims.
First time seeing your content man and I am really impressed. Concise, informative and interesting. Such a tragedy that didn't need to happen. Failure to prepare means prepare to fail, especially in an aircraft
Thanks Hoover. Glad you are back on the CZcams air. Found the right frequency!
the one thing extremely important that is usually severely underestimated on COVID patients is the BRAIN FOG that does impair the patients in different levels. Some folk get in serious trouble just because of a few seconds of fogginess.
This pilot's brain was just not working fully. Something was seriously wrong with his decision making and impairment of some sort must have been at play. No pilot should make such a litany of errors and omissions.
I suffer from chronic neck and lower back pain and when im having a pain flare-up say from jolting my spine i can't concentrate on anything else except the pain. If he was taking oxycodone which is one of the strongest pain relievers and it was a legitimate prescription then he probably shouldn't have been flying
I also have a chronic pain condition and similarly learned (very quickly) that I shouldn't drive during any flare. I found my reaction times are slower and my overall situational awareness is poorer. I can't imagine flying safely in such a state.
I don't understand how neither pilot knows how to use the avionics suite to properly insert waypoints. Boggles my mind. They had NO business up there.
How did this guy become a 3,000 hour pilot with that level of complacency? Unbelievable!
Oh I remember this. So very sad. Ty for telling us what happened.