Fatal Error! How UPS Flight 1354 Ended in Disaster
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You knowhow sometimes, you need to make a split second decision to change a plan, only to find out that your new decision made things much worse?
Well, now imagine, that this is happening to you as you are about to land a huge aircraft..
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Hold up how the hell did he comment 6hrs before the video was published 😭 💀
@@adambashaxd420 he schedule this video and he commented during the time he had done so
So what you're saying is that you're willing to put your passengers and yourselves at risk to make a few extra bucks?
Im not sure if you already had this video in the works or if you actually saw my message to make a video about this incident, but thank you for putting it together.
Giving a bonus based on number of sick days remaining sounds like a great way to have your pilots show up at work sick and spread it to co-workers. Genius.
Indeed.
Or not up to flying their best, but giving it a go anyway.
A lot of American companies do that. It's a great way to get around requirements that your employees must be given sick leave.
It already starts at defining a maximum number of sick days. Nobody knows how many days you are going to be sick in a year.
If you are ill, you stay at home, otherwise you go to work. Any other way of dealing with it is just "asking for more problems".
It also flies in the face of "no questions asked"
It blows my mind that the airline industry has standards for fatigue but not the medical industry.
So who has the most lobbying money....
Not so much that - there used to be a saying, “doctors bury their mistakes.” It’s hard to hide a hundred tons of wreckage, and hundreds of bodies…
It’s nuts. Lady works on a lvl 1 trauma center. I learned Not to bitch about the first class meal and bunk on my legs real quick. They absolutely should be under same kind of regs for rqd sleep duty periods.
Yes indeed...I'm a retired labor/delivery and mother/baby RN. It can be crazy and dangerous if you ask me. Same with ER.
The medical field does, they just aren't often strict about them. Unfortunately, medical personnel are becoming fewer and fewer, but people don't stop getting sick or needing care. We work extra because we want to make sure people are taken care of. At my hospital, they really do try to give the workers as much rest as possible, especially with summer coming.
I worked night shifts for years and my biggest issue was people did not understand or respect that the day time was my time to sleep. Phone calls visitors and jobs around the home all used to inhibit my sleep. I do not work night shifts any more and feel much better for it. That UPS shift pattern is truly awful we are all but numbers in any industry put yourself and your family first. Be safe all and love to all.
100% agree. I used to transport passengers and I took my sleep very seriously. Unfortunately, other people didn't. Having gatherings and being loud, I had to even use earplugs and go into a quiet closet. To sleep.
In a hotel room, we inevitably will hear the cleaning staff vacuuming the hallways and even knocking and trying to enter your room. Earplugs are a good choice, but it is difficult in some circumstances to get a proper rest.
Circadian rhythm
@@jenniferlord8378What about it? Everyone’s is different. Mine is awake all night and start fading around 10 or 11am. I have been that way all my life, although I now have debilitating insomnia because of a drunk driver. Most of us in my family are like that, but we’re all musicians and are used to working, and thriving, at night. I used to do a 12am to 6am studio session shift. I liked it. My energy is high and my creativity is at a peak at that time. If I had to sleep and awaken at 6am to sing, it’d take until well into the afternoon for my body and voice to wake up. When you see a band on Good Morning America, they most likely have been awake all night. If they look lethargic and sleepy, 10-1 odds are they slept and tried to be awake at 6am, which is for us, an ungodly hour.
Totally agree. Sadly earplugs are the only way because other humans are simply incapable of showing some considertion for others. I'd already be happy if people where considerate when it is completely obvious, e.g. getting up for an old person, but even that seems like its no longer considered normal these days in many parts of the world...
Whoever created the graphic chart of wake versus sleep times did an amazing job. You certainly have talented staff.
reminds me of Gantt charts I was ordered to make, of various investment options at a brokerage, showing climbs & dips in $$$ over time. Who coded this sleep chart made it make much more sense than ex-post-facto $$$ rather than a metric that actually is critical for measuring time itself.
I've worked some night shifts, and I've found that people on night shift can be loosely divided into two groups. those who treat their night shift like their daytime, and sleep while they are off shift, and those who continue their usual daytime activities while working at night. the latter do build a sleep debt and tend to have trouble staying awake on shift.
When I worked night shift (6p to 6-) as a dispatcher there was a CLEAR difference between those two groups and it was very frustrating for those of us that actually slept during the day to not only have to pick up the slack but also look over the shoulders of the other group to catch mistakes.
@@cruisinguy6024 the other frustration is people around you who completely ignore that you're on a different time zone from them.
I've done a lot of shifts, I'd pretty much agree with that. There is another factor though - it is best to be awake at the same time each day for a core 4 hour period and eat you main meal then. So if I'm doing a night shift, I'm getting off shift, going home, having breakfast and going straight to sleep. Then I wake up mid to late afternoon and have my main meal before going to work. What most people do is they go home, have their main meal, then stay awake for a few hours doing normal daytime activities before going to bed. Then they wake up shortly before they're due for work.
@nlwilson4892 i would get home at around 8, eat supper, go to bed by 9, then wake up at 5, eat breakfast, make my lunch, and leave for work at 6:30.
I used to work a mixture of days and nights, a deadly combination. So many screw ups would happen in the early hours, and one crisis would be covered by another and another. It was a recipe for a shortened life span and even early onset dimentia. Luckily I was able to get back on day shifts only, 4am to 4pm, a managable routine once used to it.
That chess blunder from the beginning is from Fischer vs Spassky world championship match, game 1. Nice touch :)
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I noticed that too!
I was about to look that up.
And without your response, I’d never have known that awesome detail. Thanks
I've watched every single episode of Mayday and Air Crash Investigations, but this format is, by far, the best and most interesting thing on Aviation Accidents out there, bar none! The detail and care these episodes are put together with, deserve a place in entertainment and education history! Thank you, to the entire team!
Also try watching Piolet Debrief with Hoover he is great too and it got be going down a rabbit hole and ended up here. I like this gentleman too.
Couldn’t agree more 😊
Air crash investigations is more for the average viewer, it's entertaining and dramatized while this is for the enthusiast, if these documentaries were on TV like 2 people would watch them.
74Gear is pretty amazing too
I like green dot aviation as well.
As a former cabin crew, now retired, in my experience, on occasion, some crew didn’t exactly do the themselves any favours when on layovers down route.
Treating layovers like holidays, partying until early hours then reporting for duty, clearly tired.
On extreme occasions we had the cpt stand down crew before departure down route who were clearly unfit for duty, causing the remaining crew all sorts of problems.
Some companies, for financial reasons, do push the boundaries of what is acceptable with crew rest, and often at odds with the unions, but also some crew don’t take their personal responsibilities seriously either.
Just my experience.
The first officer in the right seat seems to be getting a lot of blame here. Her mistake not reprogramming the FMC is a relatively minor oversight compared to the captain's more serious mistakes. Also wonder if cockpit gradient played a role here, given she was new to this aircraft type, much younger and a woman.
It can be hard to sleep on command for split shifts like this. There's often reasons why it might be difficult to fall asleep. She was likely on her phone because she couldn't sleep.
@@melissablick779 Minor mistake? Had it been programed correctly none of this would have happened. That being said, it seemed like UPS was intentionally trying to kill their pilots. Why would they choose to not have warnings at 500ft etc. the list goes on. I kept shaking my head during the video. Both pilots were setup to fail.
@@jimbonaterSure, but the captain is the PIC.
Pilots with hangovers is such a scary thought.
@@melissablick779 My reaction exactly. The co-pilot may not have been in the greatest shape, but it was the damn captain who flew the plane into the ground.
Since this accident, UPS has also improved themselves by allowing their pilots to have quiet places to nap while they load the stuff onto the plane.
good to know but, omg, after all this time no issues, await until emergency??
Wait... since they obviously aren't taxing to takeoff during loading why wasn't this already standard operating procedure? I'm not sure it would have made a difference in _this_ flight since the captain already had on paper rested enough even according to the new regulations for passenger flights (I guess he had that "in bed and can't get good sleep" moment that makes for a groggy next day) it would prevent pilot fatigue for a lot of their other crews.
I find it disturbing that there is "negotiations" involved in the process. Union trying to win a higher share and UPS trying to counter that. I know thats how the world is, but still it feels a bit odd.
@@indianfan1029not for safety. I don't know about the pilots but the teamsters were given all they asked for with regard to non monetary (which includes safety) asks
Good that they implemented positive change.
Now if they could change the fact that they are, without a doubt, the absolute worst way to ship anything,.. that would be great.
I'm a software dev and a system admin. This morning I came in tired, having just got back from a lengthy business trip, then immediately screwed up by shutting down the incorrect server. A bunch of services were down for about 20 minutes and boss was NOT happy 😥. I don't think i would be able to operate in an environment where a mistake could literally cost you your life.
This actually applies to a lot of shift work. Think of police and ambulance needing to drive high speeds at night, truckers, people operating and maintaining machinery in factories. It is probably more common for there to be hazards on work that requires shifts than the 9-5 jobs.
In thirty years of software development I've lost count of how many times I've made a sleepy mistake and was so happy no lives depend on me doing my job correctly.
Been there. But usually due to anxiety.
That was a honest mistake, we learn from it. Don’t put yourself down.
There are cases in every day life where a mistake could cost your life. Children are taught to cross the road safely and adults to drive cars. Life and death decisions, every day.
I’m a Bus Driver and do shift work. My shifts change from late starts to early starts with alarming regularity. I have been tired to the point of exhaustion due to lack of sleep on many occasions on duty. The industry doesn’t care and you are expected to just get on with it. This is in Ireland.
Well I am a bus driver in Jamaica and we stay on our shift although the roster may change every three months or so. I have been on my evening shift for years so I’m very great full for this at my company. It really helps with the fatigue factor.
Union?
In Ireland we have Tiredness Kills signs all over the roads. What company you drive for op?
I’m a 40yo who works in medicine and previously had no interest in aviation for the past 4 decades of my life - and I’ve become obsessed with this channel, I can’t wait until a new episode comes out since I’ve binged them all. Great work!!
right there with you. and im the same age
you two bring it up to a new level and fly all the flights in Microsoft Flight Simulator!😜
Most of his videos were recorded using MFS
Knowing the two pilots died, it´s astonishing how much force is is exerted in a crash and how resilient an aircraft is, since the cockpit looked mostly intact. If I only saw the images, I would have thought the pilots survived.
I thought the same thing. As the saying goes though, it's not the speed that kills you - it's the sudden deceleration. I'm confident it was lights-out fairly quickly.
Edit: grammar.
@@MrNikolidas Or, it isn't the fall that kills, but the stop at the end.
@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 Stop, deceleration... Delta velocity!
There was a fascinating video about elsewhere about from what height a fall is always fatal, and there's a lot of "it depends". In a bit about a fall from a terminal velocity speed, the video pointed out that one's own body doesn't decelerate all at once. The part of your body that impacts the ground (or object) stops, but the rest of your body is still traveling at full speed. Your body crushes itself under immense force when decelerating, basically. I imagine with plane crashes, it's probably more like splashing. If one can greatly slow down the deceleration the better one's odds.
In cars, the idea of a crumple zone is to absorb the energy of an impact, hence the car will get totalled but ideally the passengers survive. In reverse this means, when the car looks intact after a high energy impact, it's likely that all impact energy went directly into the bodies of the passengers.
I remember from my long ago Air Force ATC days that if you didn't sleep well the night prior you could self-report and would be put in a less demanding position like clearance delivery or MOA monitor.
Sounds like self-induced punishment. 😆
@@WarbirdPhoenixthat emoji was a punishment all its own
I am a retired trauma doctor from a level 1 hospital. I also flew GA night freight before medical school. Working 100 hours/week until 55 was becoming tougher in my 50’s. My medical group did not require night call after 55 years old but many continued. It’s dangerous as you take short cuts at times.
The medical field is a big problem too, as both pilots and doctors deal with life and death performance.
How did you even do that. I can't handle 50hrs per week
With a supportive partner
@@Bamboule05 Bless her.
If they say you can call out of work for pilot fatigue, but then say your absence will be reviewed, they can't call this a "no questions asked" policy. A planned review is basically GUARANTEEING there WILL be questions asked.
In computer science, we say "Garbage In, Garbage Out" (GIGO for short).
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At my place of business we just call it Joe Biden! (FJB for short)
We also have that same saying in Aviation (GI/GO)! His SI/SO comment must be a European thing since I’ve never heard that in my 26 years of flying commercially…🤔
@@gatormcklusky5850 what a special snowflake
@@user-kb8gh5jv9t In the UK, I've never heard Petter's SI/SO usage.
it sounds a great deal of what truck drivers have to deal with. They would get pushed to extend beyond their work hours, and then get blamed when something goes wrong.
Same with us train drivers... especially freight train drivers. I love the job, but sometimes it is just hell on earth!
Yeah that’s scary as they say driving tired is just about as bad as driving drunk, that’s very freaking scary and I could see that, I’ve had to drive tired multiple times and actually pull over for 15 mins but as soon as I’d pull over I’d be wide awake again! Scary stuff!
It's insane that as a truck driver I have to rest 10 hours a day. I should get a choice. It's just a 80,000 pound truck going 70 mph.
Both of these pilots were DEI hires. The reason the the Capt didn't upgrade was because he liked bidding as a high senior FO vs a low seniority new Capt.
same with us warehouse workers, ups is truly evil , we’d work 13 hours and then get mad when we started making mistakes
But a huge amount of drivers use amphetamines to stay awake plus you have a takeyagraph to limit your hours .( In the UK and Australia not sure about rest of the world )
Fatigue is the biggest reason my interest in aviation has never gone beyond sims and info gathering. I don't think I've had a day where I felt truly rested since I was a teenager (and even then it was a fluke) but no one dies if I get drowsy in the office.
You keep telling yourself that. It's so easy to put barriers in your way and make excuses so you never have to challenge yourself. I suspect the real reason you don't fly is because you are scared of failure and hard work.
@@mattwatson My dude, chronic fatigue is a very real thing for people to experience. I experience it all the time because the job that I have does not align well with my natural sleep-wake cycle. I have to go to bed earlier than I would on my own, and wake up much earlier than I would on my own, and it results in frequent nights where I stay up too late without even realizing it. I have multiple alarms set both morning and night to try to keep me on my job's schedule and they only barely work. Barely. I still finish the work week feeling unrested.
@@mattwatson That's an incredibly rude and assumptive thing to say to someone you don't know. I can fly planes but I would also never want to become an ATP simply because time zone changes leave me a sleepless wreck every single time.
I hope you've thought about getting diagnosed, because that could turn out to be a sign of a medical issue without you even realizing it.
@@fusrosandvich3738yes. OP should consider getting a sleep study
Fatigue is a major killer, period, no matter your industry. As an ex long haul truck driver, it is one of the hardest things to combat once it starts to take hold. This is mainly due to the anxiety it produces around getting enough rest. I have been lucky, only fallen asleep once behind the wheel and in a car not truck. Stay safe peoples.......
"too low terrain, pull up" has to be the most frightening and stomach churning sound in the cockpit. by the time you hear it, you have very little time to correct it. edit, i am just talking about in general.
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When it comes after "did I hit something?", it offers very little time indeed.
Inmediate terrain escape maneuver would have saved the situation, the thing is that they were not aware or just haven't understood the real height they were at, in the sense of perception
@@AdrianColleyGreat point. That's a detail that most people seem to ignore when it comes to this incident.
I think those audio warnings are too monotone and polite. They ought to change them to a screaming person yelling *"Pull the F%ck up NOW*
Every time I see the UPS livery I remember UPS flight 6, being from Bahrain too it just makes you think what could’ve been had they elected to just land here instead of attempting to reach back to Dubai, maybe then they would’ve made it, not sure about the plane but they could’ve stayed alive. Thank you for covering both, this video reminded me of that one
I remember that flight and it's one that's stuck with me ever since. the pilot did everything he could and when you thought he had made it, something wrong happened and it was a never ending cycle of dread until it crashed
This series is what the Air crash investigation wanted to be.
Lots of technical details were explained to us armchair pilots.
Bravo Peter!
this was a bullshit accident. even at 250 feet this was still saveable. all pilot had to do was pull up and put thrust to maximum
@@mortgageapprovals8933You are correct. This is also due to the failure of UPS and their diversity hire bullshit. Take it from many of the maintenance staff, they were destined to fail. Alot of the pilots should not be so.
@@mortgageapprovals8933Thank you for your expert analysis.
I agree, Air Crash investigations gets very repetitive, but I think a lot of that has to do with being written for scheduled cable TV with long commercial breaks. Trying to maximize people seeing the show without feeling confused if they missed a few minutes.
Neat to see this accident covered! In my dispatch recurrent training it came up, and I was surprised to see there was a recommendation for pilots to be included in dispatcher recurrent training, and vice versa. I knew full well that wasn't required, and was disappointed to find that the FAA had ignored this recommendation due to "other rulemaking priorities" for ten years, and then last year simply said that it has been a long time and no other planes have crashed like this, so clearly, the problem must have been resolved. This type of mentality is unsurprising but still disappointing to see from our regulators, especially when it comes to dispatch - we are often ignored and overlooked in our ability to plug holes in the Swiss Cheese.
If anyone is complaining about being tired or sleepy before flying a plane, they shouldn't fly. It is imperative to be alert and well rested while on duty.
the culture is not there,yet...
@@justusbeweel1109 why not
i do not drive if tired.
Agreed.
Recognizing sleep deprivation is something that should be trained into pilots- actually everyone with a life critical job. It’s a delicate balance.
You don’t want to punish anyone that speaks up when it occurs. yes it will cost the company money to cover a shift last minute- but if it potentially puts a mark on their employment jacket they will be less likely to speak up.
No shit Sherlock
Always learn something new when watching - thanks Mentour
I’m so happy to hear that
One of the common themes in all of these crash investigations seems to be the first officers, unwilling to speak up when the captains doing things that are not correct or they are confused.
Yes, and this has nothing to do with being tired. There were mistakes made that contributed to this accident where tiredness wasn't a factor.
As a regular shift worker, I’ve developed a fairly robust system for managing my fatigue. The night before my first night shift (right now ironically) I will sit awake until 4am and sleep until midday. My shifts are 1800-0600 and I usually get home around 0630, I’ll go to bed and sleep until 1300. After my last night I’ll get up at 1000 and power through. It’s never let me down and in 9 years I’ve never called in fatigued. If you don’t manage your sleep properly on shifts, you’re a fool
„Verdammt, deine Schwester ist gut!“ „Sie ist meine Mutter!“ "Das ist sogar noch besser!" ❤❤❤
I’m not a pilot, only a fan of aviation. Thanks Petter and all pilots, especially commercial, for what you do. I learn a lot from this channel and from the comments!
I work nights, long nights. I never understood the physical pain that occurs around 4am until I experienced it. I know how to reduce it. I know a break to rest is magic. I also know what it’s like to collapse on the floor with physical exhaustion. The darker the environment you are working in, the less water or human contact or conversation you have, the worse it is as you just think about the pain of not being asleep.
Craziness. And we have no definite restrictions on our work schedule.
What do you work in ?
This brought back memories when I worked at a Cargill corn milling plant in my 20s and yes 4am was brutal 😑, the worst was daylight savings time when the clock would add another hour to the pain threshold!
Hope you don’t work as an ATC controller…..
Stop working nights if you’re suffering that much for it.
I was a postal contractor at the time hauling air mail from Birmingham to Montgomery. Both pilots were as nice as they could be. She was from Lynchburg Tennessee.
Night Freight 25 years this year i couldn't ever imagine going back to day operations, It's a completely different world and many people simply cannot adjust to it, Great Channel 👍
As a man in my late twenties, I had never heard the expression "sh*t in, sh*t out." I thought it was "garbage in, garbage out," which is what my parents used. Lol.
I suspect that something may have been lost in the translation from Pettar's original Swedish. I doubt that the term exists in standard ICAO English phraseology.
@@alexandermonro6768 At least in Norwegian "skitt", which means "dirt, filth, garbage", is pronounced exactly like English "shit".
In Swedish they mainly say "smuts" for dirt though. They do also have skit, but pronounce (and spell?) it a bit differently, and I think it can mean both shit and dirt.
Anyway, in general, using crude or curse-words in professional settings is way less stigmatized here than in USA. There's no such thing as a "clean" version of a song, for example. You can hear cursing on the radio or TV any time of day
It’s the same thing as in software engineering where there is a concept called "Eat your own dogfood" in professional settings but it quickly turns into "Eat your own sh!t" when you talk with your longtime colleagues.
For me as an european "shit in, shit out" is the usual term for this concept. Sometimes I have the impression that americans believe in magic of words and that the devil will appear when you use these terms.
Yeah, 'shit' and 'garbage' are almost perfect synonyms in this context anyway
Yay! New video! Can we bring back video chapters? I like rewatching the more complicated parts so I can double check my understanding, and chapters help a lot with that. Thank you for these amazing videos, now I want to be a pilot someday!
Sorry to the families loss of such young pilots 😢Rest In peace
That music alone during the final sequence added a terrifying layer to the storytelling. Very well done!
In that case, never fly any of the Middle Eastern airlines. We’re constantly flying on less than 20 hours of rest between flights and often get 14 hour layovers on transatlantic flights
Spooky, you should rest man makes me not want to fly knowing this information
Any example airlines you can give?
Then you’re basically asking for a tragedy.
Mandomonge? Middle East have 25 airlines in 15 countries.
Is it Emirates? Kuwait, Qatar? Jordan? Israel? Pakistan? India? Egypt? Sudan? Somalia? Yemen? Afghanistan? Turkey? Bahrain? Syria? Iraq? Israel? Tunisia? Morocco?Algeria? Libya? Mauritania? Western Sahara? Saudi? Oman? Djibouti and North Tehran?
@@Beepbop132 this was a bullshit accident. even at 250 feet this was still saveable. all pilot had to do was pull up and put thrust to maximum
These videos are absolutely incredible, better than any aircrash tv program hands down. Thanks Petter and the team!
Thank YOU for watching!
There have been a couple of times where I had no choice but to drive while very fatigued. The drive was relatively short 30 minutes, but I remember feeling like they were the longest 30 minutes of my life, doing everything I can to drive safely and stay awake. I can't imagine having sleep debt as part of your job because of pressures from protocols and expectations.
I have that. Its amazing that they think 8 hours rest in the middle of the day, is somehow equal to 8 hours at the proper human time frame, overnight. And then of course they expect you to not skip a beat when your shift changes pretty much every day! Not only that, but I'm older.
@@renegadetenor Oh man, that's awful. It's usually the managers who have a set schedule that think your health and sleep aren't affected because theirs isn't.
Thank you for the excellent review! Propper management of the FMS is crucial and needs both crewmembers involved, all changes should be verified by both. You said best, the FMS is not smart, it will do whatever the pilots tell it to do, including flying into the ground.
Been flying freighters since 2001 and have adjusted my lifestyle as much as possible to the schedules. The accident duty looks very similar to most of my schedules until a few years ago, when my company decided to give us a complete day layover between segments (9pm through midnight), hotel stay, then back on the next day, takeoff at 3am back to base by 7am. This was greatly appreciated by all of us pilots.
The importance of taking full advantage of rest periods cannot be over-emphasized. Don't know about UPS specifically, but those crew rest rooms at the airport are spartan at best, with just a bed, a nightstand, and a lamp. Kudos on the production!
Being exhausted is absolutely no joke. I suffer from sleep deprivation due to autism and I don't have a high-preasured job role on top of that (thankfully). Keeping your eyes open and being in and out of conciousness is common for me. If you were to put me in a cockpit (hypothetically), situational awareness would be almost non-existent. I feel bad for people who do shift work, as that messes so badly with your body clock.
That this crash and subsequent fatalities were almost instantaneous, I am glad that they did not suffer. I'm also glad that no further deaths resulted from this incident.
Me too. An autistic insomniac
Mine is from Refractory RLS, a parting gift from the high dosage Hydromorphone intake during and folloeing radiation therapy for cancer. Cancer free, thank God. But the RRLS is brutal. Even with treatment, I'm lucky to get 3 hours a night.
Oh, and guess what I need to take to treat the RRLS...
Right. Hydromorphone.
The more Mentour Pilot I watch, the better I’m able to fly on my FS2020. Thank you Petter for the fascinating educational videos, and top notch graphics. I’m so very happy I found this channel! Getting to learn to fly has been a dream come true, and I couldn’t have done it without Mentour Pilot!
I always enjoy your videos and enjoy learning new things about aviation. This video about fatigue relates to me also. I am a truck driver and also often have to fight against fatigue, especially during night time driving, but for me, I think, it's somewhat easier to deal with it because I can pull in into a truck stop, take a walk, breathe some fresh air etc. But you pilots have to deal with a lot more stuff. More systems on an airplane, where a push of a button can make a big difference, a misunderstanding between pilots/traffic control. In an emergency you have to take lots of decisions very quickly. And in cases of accidents the damage is way way bigger. You have way more responsibility on your shoulders and deserve lots of respect. Thank you for your work, and keep making this videos.
the co-pilot didnt get proper sleep so she wasn't up to the job, the captain got good (perhaps excellent) sleep but he was incompetent. They canceled each other out.
I'm hoping we'll get a programme regarding PSA Flight 182 sometime soon. This accident happened when I was barely a year old and changed many operating procedures, unfortunately at the high cost of 144 lives.
Then Aeromexico 498 8 years later.
@@user-mc7bh9yg9kIs that from a spaghetti Western movie in your prof pic?
I remember clearly the PSA crash. I was in grad school in Michigan, but being the daughter of an ATC, I paid a lot of attention to the tragedy. Ironically, 4 years later in Sacramento, I was sitting at the desk of one of the victims and doing her job. One other victim worked in the same office. Many of their coworkers were still grieving their loss.
that intro was unique from any others you've posted, and I must say it was absolutely fantastic!
this was a bullshit accident. even at 250 feet this was still saveable. all pilot had to do was pull up and put thrust to maximum
As a RN we were always pressured to come in to work even when we were sick because of staffing issues it would create when one of us had to call in sick for our shift and as a healthcare professional at the time at age of 25 now as a seasoned RN I understand the need for staff but I certainly don’t run the risk of bringing down an entire airline if I am fatigued. I pray for all airline pilots out there that do their due diligence and fly safe everyone
I was just thinking about this accident the other day. I’m glad you’re covering it.
I work for a large airline in the US and love your videos. You are also very popular among our crewmembers. Excellent content to say the least. Thank you!
In Australian workplace law there is no incentive for not taking your entitled sick leave (mainly to prevent the spread of illness in the workplace) In fact it is more advantageous to take the sick leave even if you don't really need it. The fact that there was an incentive for airline pilots to ignore their fatigue for a bonus payment is madness.
Remember those rules are collectively bargained, which means the union likely asked for them.
@@uclajd until proven, your statement is factually wrong.
And standard operating procedure in just about every industry in the USA. In some states the government mandates sick time for all "regular" employees, but even then it's unpaid. One way or another, your employer will make sure you never call in sick, either because your sick time is unpaid, or because you actually used the time you're entitled to under the law (and an employee asserting a right in this country is the quickest way for that employee to get an all-expenses-paid trip to the curb with all their stuff in a box. Sick days in the USA are considered socialist or lazy. Even if your boss doesn't fire you for taking sick days (illegal, but pretty much unenforceable unless you can afford lawyers) you'll find yourself with poor performance reviews or no raises.
@@uclajd Why don't you go be anti-Union somewhere else.
Except for the fact that you won't ever get a minimum wage job that's not casual.
I never get tired of your productions! (They're not just videos, they are productions, excellent ones!)
Great presentation again Petter and the Crew...thankyou! The attention to detail has me entranced getting an understanding of the seemingly myriad systems on a flight deck. Thanks for taking on board your subscribers thoughts also..
RIP the pilots of course.
Sad.
Experienced my first go around yesterday in a stormy condition. Wasn't fun for a bit, but thanks to the pilots and crew, we made it back home in a few hours.
I had one last month too. Little stressfull
I’ve been in the transportation industry for decades (rail and road) and the issue of fatigue management remains of enormous consequence to the bottom line of airline/railroad/shipping corporations. I know of very few people who thrive in a work environment that necessitates staying awake when normal human beings are sleeping. That means an individual needs to rest or sleep on command. All this is easy to put on paper in the creation of new rules and regulations governing sleep and rest. In the end, as long as industries require human beings to stay awake while they should be sleeping, these tragedies will continue to occur.
You're right, of course. Sleep remains a pretty mysterious physiological process - or at least, things are pretty clear as long as a person is either awake or asleep. It's the process of getting frome one state to the other that remains mysterious. Writing a policy and saying "this is reasonable and everybody will be fine" is sort of nuts. I have a personal theory that the fact that 80-90% of people can adjust to almost any unsafe expectation, at least for a little while, is what makes them so dangerous. The 10-20% see other people handling it and think they just need suck it up, and the 80-90% really aren't able to sustain their level of functioning. After a year or tow, or maybe 5-10 years they begin to have serious problems. Next thing you know it's 2024 and everyone is fat, tired, and socially isolated. But that's just my theory.
Absolutely!
This tragic Accident brought indeed the Topic Fatigue in Aviation onto a new Level. It really changed how the Aviation Industry is dealing with this Phenomenon. Thank you very much for picking this Accident up and explaning why it happened in such an informative Way!🙂👍
After I have seen so many of your episodes, I cannot understand why would any pilot risk an unstabilized landing unless it's an emergency
Chronic fatigue and pain is what’s preventing me from getting a commercial license. Which I’m actually pretty glad it’s a bar. I could never handle the pressure. Fatigue really scrambles my brain up and I get brain fog. I can’t deal with that kind of responsibility. I’m in awe of all of you who are commercial pilots
If you're to have an incident while in charge of a flight, they'll judge you through this comment 😂
@@stevenmunetsi thank goodness I won’t ever be 😂. Simulator only!
@@laratheplanespotter I'll hold you responsible for the "deletion" of hundreds of virtual beings on your flight
@@MentalParadox lmao 🤣
Keep up the amazing work Mentour Team! Love this channel!
I have posted this comment before but think it is worth reiterating in the context of this video.
I was due to fly a third night flight. I was in doubt about my fatigue status and fitness to fly. I had recently done a standard licence medical check with a Dr. Green(a UK CAA authorised Examiner), who had also researched pilot fatigue and published a book on the subject. I telephoned him for advice. He asked for my sleep pattern over 3 days. His immediate response was " You are not fit to fly and if your company want confirmation tell them to call me."
I called Operations with this information. There was no call to Dr. Green. I was lucky to have his phone number. Maybe all pilots should have an equivalent number.
I have seen and read a lot of all these crashes you are talking about, but the way you talk about it and all the details around it just beats any documentary or Air crash investigation series! Amazing work put into this, keep it up!
I love those stylish B&W drawings
They're at least partially AI-generated. Lots of objects morphed into one another, reflections that don't make sense, etc
You do such a fine job with your videos. So we'll done. Thank you for the care and attention.
Thank YOU for being here, supporting!
Fascinating information, beautifully presented. Thanks for posting.
superb video - in all aspects!!! Thank you.
Yesss, seeing Mentor Pilot post a new story makes my ice hockey & Eurovision filled Saturday even better 🙌🎉
That’s the spirit!!
Best channel on CZcams. Amazing quality content. Thanks.
Glad you enjoy it!
Imagine your last words being "Oh, did I hit something?"😭
Yes.
I really like the new visualizations when reviewing details of schedules and hours of experience etc. Very clean and helpful.
You’re my favorite channel by far.! Thank you.❤️❤️
Thanks for reviewing this crash. I have always found this accident tragic and never really understood why it happened. Great explanation ❤
love your vids, you explain everything so well that even people unfamiliar with aircraft can understand
At 5:39 - Your pronunciaiton of Louisville is so adorable, I had to play it over and over again!
Flying out of BHM, I can confirm that runway 18 is usually used for smaller regional flights on CRJ type aircraft. When landing there, we didn’t have visual contact so we had to do a go around
My biggest fear is sitting on the apron, looking out the window and seeing a baggage handler trip over or something and then just hearing from somewhere in the plane ‘that’s worth remembering’
When you start hearing the Air Craft Investigation voiceover narrating your trip, you know you are in trouble
Great video as always Captain
Man these videos are bloody amazing !!!! I’ve not real interest in flying but your videos are so detailed and informative that you really get an idea of how complicated aircraft are and how much training is needed to become a pilot ! I will never take a flight for granted again thank you so much for all involved for these videos , keep doing what your doing 👏🏼
Very sad event. Amazing presentation and analysis. Thank you.
1:00 I love how you have to crinkle paper a little bit to make it look like paper. It’s a bit like hearing wind hit a microphone, or getting a little sun glare on a camera lens.
Petter I’m astounded by the quality of your video yet again!! Easily been my favourite aviation channel for years and it makes me so happy seeing how far this channel has come!! Keep being you, thank you for teaching me about aviation 🔥 love to the family! X
The graphic at 5m54s is really phenomenal at communicating the context that the FO had leading up to the accidental flight. Well done.
Refreshing CZcams to see another banger has dropped! Ty mentour
Petter, the videos keep getting better and better. Thank you so much for teaching us how air travel gets safer and safer over time!!! ✅💪🥇
Whilst an outsider like captains and mentour himself, you begin to see the roadblocks setting up with this one, and the just reaching beyond what could be done by the pilots concentration due to fatigue. Short comings by UPS too, at the time, and thats glaringly obvious with this one. But things have been changed since, and thats defintely for the better. THankyou for taking the time to show this and manage that fatigue much better.
Sending prayers and support to the loved ones of the victims.
Hi there! thx for your videos man!
I’m temporarily on disability, but my job can require similar stupid scheduling. Wake up to drive an hour to site 1 for an 0500 call, be there till 1400 (there was a food break in there…somewhere), have another call to make at 1800 with that hour drive back, maybe nap but more than likely it’s hard to get to napping soon enough. Grab snacks like protein bars since you won’t have an actual meal time again. Go to 1800 call, lasts till 0130. Home, flop in bed, remember you have to be up to leave by 0630 at the VERY latest (like, if you think nothing can possibly go wrong, L O L) to make an 0800 elsewhere the next day.
This sort of stuff was the reality of our busy season, this or “you’re just going to be up and working so long you’ll cross the 24 hour mark before you leave”. Luckily we aren’t flying giant death machines, but we do work around heavy stuff that CAN fail if something is missed - HAS injured and killed groups of people at a time - and setting it all up is dangerous in its own right. Usually, we’re all coming off different amounts of sleep and schedules when we meet on a job site, so there’s always people that are perfectly sharp, and if you know you’re too tired to be working safely, say, on a ladder, there will be someone that can, which is nice compared to only having two people running the show like on a flight 😅 but there’s always people who try too hard to just work anyway, so, 🤷
This stuff wouldn’t go unpunished for the company in most European countries
Thank you for your work Mentour
Those videos of yours are absolutely amazing
This was a great episode. Very slick, but very well informed.
Excellent explanations and video! Thank you so much!
Your videos are so informative. Love them. Keep it up Mentour!
Another night of binge watching mentour’s videos… I don’t even usually comment but I just wanted to say thank you so much, I really enjoy them all
Ive watched MP for over two years and it always astonishes me how good this quality is!
Thanks for sharing this one. I was a local first responder at this time and a former flight crewmember so this one hits close to home.
Thanks for sharing.
When i saw this new video and about UPS, i remember UPS 6 video you did 2 years ago. Fatigue is insidious and i know the first commercial aviation accident caused by fatigue and it's AIA Flight 808, a DC-8 cargo plane. I know UPS Flight 1354 from a documentary show that we already know for a while but this video explains a lot more than i expect it. Well done, sir. I like👍this video so much.
Letting/making pilots fly while tired/exhausted is effectively the same as making them fly drunk.
Another fantastic and informative video from Petter. He and Juan are the go to guys for indepth analysis of airline incidents.
The animations for your videos are amazing and add so much to the presentations.
I agree. They are top notch.
Could you do a video on Varig Flight 254? Its an interesting story with some weird twists and I'd love to see it being told in your video style. Also you have never made a video on any Brazilian incidents.
Love your videos from Brazil
This one is on my list for sure and will absolutely cover it in time...
@@MentourPilot how about Aeroperu 603? There's the CVR recording on CZcams, quite a dramatic story. Please consider it!
@@MentourPilot also check out flight 331 American Airlines that crashed at Norman International Airport in Jamaica in 2009,maybe you can cover in one day in the future.
It's always amazing learning the multiple steps that lead to accidents. Thanks for your videos 🙂