Traditions PA Pellet with Black Powder and TripleSeven Pellets
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2013
- A .50-caliber Traditions Pellet rifle is shot with black powder, Pyrodex , Triple Seven pellets and two types of bullets. This gun is the best factory production flintlock for the money.
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Just purchased a Pa. Pellet flintlock rifle and this video is very helpful.
Great Flintlocks, excellent video.
thanks for the video, I was looking into buying one of these flintlock rifles, will be my first in this field and they look like a good introduction to this sport.
They will allow you a reasonable gun to work with at an affordable price. If you find you really like the challenge of shooting flint, then you can upgrade to a more expensive gun. Practice a lot and plan on taking your deer at close range. These steps will help insure success. I would also recommend that you by my inexpensive E-book, Muzzleloaders for Hunters, which has a lot of tips on how to get the most from your flintlock rifle.
very informative video. Good job - keep up the muzzleloading videos
Nice job
got one a while ago... tips, while I have some agate flints, I have used english with great results... for touching up the edge on these flints, use a lansky or similar diamond file, more precise than a napping hammer and should get you longer life out of each flint... I'm still on my first one after 3 or so outings shooting 20 ish times each... I use triple 7 powder FFG, about 90 gr main charge, and 4F black for the pan maybe 1/4 full. tease a few grains of 4f threw the touch hole, but keep it clear and you'll get 100% ignition. trigger is great, only after you use the adjustment screw on the sear, amazing design, adjust to your needs, it gets scary light and crisp. Rifle seems to group best with sabot 44 bullets, but shoots everything relatively well... probably better on my next outing after fixing the 15lb trigger. great flinter, I will snag another if price is right.
Dear Brent,These guns go in and out of the market fairly quickly. This gun has been offered longer than many models that Traditions has introduced. These guns account for only about 3 percent of their total sales. In short, if you want another one, get it while you can. It could vanish from the marketplace any year. Good tips on freshening up the flint. I had not thought of using a diamond lap.
+Hovey Smith yes hovey, I know these are hard to find, and I did get mine used, on gunbroker... but It was mainly due to your expertise on the subject. I wanted the best lock for the money and I'm not disappointed, for the $ its the best flinter on the market imo, which gander mtn still has in stock online for some reason... wish I had them in this area.
thank you for your time and energy, spent .... on the subject, teaching the masses.
You should not hammer the bullet home. That packs the powder and leads to hang fire. Seat the bullet with the ramrod til you hear the crunch of powder. This leaves some extra air for ignition.
looking at pics on midwayusa, the pa pellet version does seem to have an updated lock and pan... were the older deerhunter model locks still good? Or are the new pa pellet version locks that much better?
Do you have a video of how to disassemble this particular Muzzle-loader? Good stuff, thanks for the video.
Not on this particular one. Things to make sure that you do are to remove the vent plug each time and clean-out screw to give them a good washing and greasing before replacing them. To take the lock down, use a vise-grip to compress the mainspring, then all of the screws can be withdrawn (they will be very stiff the first time), the lock parts stoned to remove any rough edges, lubed and then reassembled. Do not over-compress the leaf spring or it will fracture. With every-day shooting I wash the lock whole and then finishing drying it on a warm stove. After that it gets a fresh coat of lube. Hope this helps.
Awesome. Thanks again. Great video!
Nice Video. Only one suggestion: Safety/Shooting glasses.
La carabina Traditions PA Pellet se fabrica en España por Ardesa y está pensada para mejorar las condiciones de disparo del modelo Deerhunter, pues la PA Pellet puede usar pellets de Pirodex, mientras que la Deerhunter sólo funciona bien con pólvora negra real y no con substitutos.. Es un buen rifle para cazar y tiene una muy buena relación entre precio y calidad.
hawkenrifles For those who don't read Spanish. "The Traditions PA Pellet is made in Spain by Ardesa and is thought to be better than the Deerhunter Model, because the PA Pellet uses Pyrodex pellets whereas the Deerhunter is restricted to using only black powder and no substitutes. The rifle is a good value in a hunting rifle."
+Hello Hovey Smith. Please translate my message into English. In Spain many muzzleloader shooting enthusiasts have the Hawken Woodsman model also makes Ardesa (for Traditions). Shenandoah and Pennsylvania rifles also have a good relationship between price and quality, while not very exact copies. I am a lover of Hawken rifles, and now I have the Rocky Mountain c. 54 Pedersoli. Greetings companion.
Thanks for sharing your video. I am interested in going to a flintlock but did not like the percussion I had since it did not have a removable breech plug which makes cleaning in the field harder. The removable breech plug design on the inline has made hunting less arduous because of the cleaning. Some states do not allow pellets, or sabots like Colorado. Have you worked up a load with loose powder, and conical bullet? I will be using this to hunt ELK was looking at getting the T/C Firestorm, but they no longer make it. I am interested in this gun for the same reason of the removable breech plug, for cleaning and or less maintenance in the field when camping. Peace, Reese
Traditions flintlock pellet is a more reliable gun than the Firestorm. Loose powder is certainly no problem with this gun. If I were going to flintlock hunt in Colorado, I would probably go with something like 100 gr., of FFg black powder and a 370 grain TC MaxiBall in this .50-caliber gun. With practice, this is a 100-yard load. However, try to go through bone and be sure and follow up on your shots with this load. With soft tissue penetration, sometimes the animals show little signs of being hit. Go on line and get my E-book "Shooting and Maintaining Your Muzzleloader" where I have a good chapter on shooting flintlock guns.
Thanks for the reply, I hope I enjoy shoot a flintlock as much as I have enjoyed hunting during the Muzzleloader season as a whole. Look forward to giving this a try. Peace, Reese
I don't know if mine is the same as yours. It does have a Stainless vent hole tapered down on the inside.
It is ugly plastic with glow in the daytime sights. Lousy trigger pull
And way better than my 1200 dollar Harpers Ferry.
Flints last longer and better ignition from the cheap traditions rifle than the expensive gun. Handles nice too. But I don't know exactly how accurate it is.
when say a tease of blackpowder . Do u put a little of 4 f in there
That is correct push a little 4F through the touch hole, but do not pack it tight in the touch hole or it will act as a fuse.
Correct.
Hover, do you know if you can use the Triple 7 pellets in the CVA silver trophy hunter III I am just getting back into this and wanted to see if you had any ideas before I start experimenting. Thanks in advance
Dear Al, I wrote you a long reply and lost it. In your sidelock gun the pellets are not likely to work well. If you want to upgrade with powders, you can go with the hottest no. 11s you can find and use FFG granular TripleSeven. If your gun is flintlock, rather than percussion, you can enlarge the touch hole by drilling it out with a 1/16 bit, teasing some FFFFg prime into the powder chamber and load Pyrodex pellets black powder side down.
Hello again Hovey, just picked up my PA Pellet Flintlock today. By any chance have you done a video on how to remove the breech plug? The only reason I ask is I tried to turn mine today and it will not budge. They advertise that it is removable and do not want to wrench down and break something on it. Peace, Reese
Dear Mo,
Do you have a new or used gun? If new it should come out with no particular problem. You may need a wrench and vise. If used and the previous owner did not take it out and clean it every time it was shot, if may be very tough indeed. I have on occasion had to resort to a presoak in hot water, then putting the barrel in a bench vise and using cheater bars to open it. The next step beyond that is to heat the breech-rear of the of the barrel with a torch. If it still will not come you can shoot it without removing the breech plug, just as was done with conventional muzzleloaders for centuries. The critical thing to make sure is clean is the vent-hold. I drill that out with an 1/8-inch drill bit to help insure good ignition in a flint gun. Yes you do loose some pressure-velocity energy ect., but functional reliability is more important than eeking out the last few possible foot pounds.
Hello again Hovey, Thanks so much for the suggestions. Yes it is new in the box. Yes, you were correct. It did need a lot of muscle and vise with some of my own personal tools to get it to come loose. I guess with some more frequent on and off working I can see where their small little tool they provide might work but to get the two hash marks to line up on the bottom of the barrel I have to still use my own tools to get them to line up properly.
By the way, did you find you have to try several times when threading the breech plug back in that the hash marks do not always line up? I did very quickly. But with a little ingenuity I quickly figured out how to fix that. Through trial and error with my threads and barrel, if I line up my touch hole with the hash mark at the bottom of the barrel, slightly turn backward to let the threads catch, the two hash marks line up every time. Peace, Mo
Each muzzleloader is a little different and getting to know YOUR gun well is part of the challenge and fun of the sport. Get some of my inexpensive E-books on muzzleloading. They will save you considerable trouble and perhaps even save you some game that you would have otherwise lost because you could not get the gun to work.
Like what your doing great video, would make a good gator gun.
How does the Traditions Pellet compare to the Lyman deer stalker relative to reliability and lock geometry?
Looks like you have the target setup against your house or something what's up with that?
I am fortunate enough to be able to have sufficient land that my shooting shed and table are in my back yard. Anytime I need to shoot a gun or crossbow all I have to do is step out my back door. The same with hunting. That is one of the small pleasures of living in a rural area.
So this gun shoots pellets or loose powder? Does a pellet supply more pressure?
It is more of a matter of convenience than power. You could exactly balance a pellet charge with one of lose powder, but they are close enough.
Have u ever tryed power belts in it???
Yes I have. I like the 295 grain ones with a 100 grain charge for deer-sized game.
Hovey Smith thank you for getting back to me...if been trying to find a pa pellet in lefty
I make left-handed cooking knives so I feel your pain. Unfortunately my PA Pellet is right handed and that gun may have been sold today. I got a call from my local shop that one of my guns was sold, and I suspect that it was that one.
I'm going to try to buy a new one in lefty
If you can find one grab it. Traditions will often take low-selling items off the market, and left-handed versions of this gun might well fall into this category.
Some safety issues, wear safety glasses when shooting any sidelock muzzleloader, Keep shooting bench clear of all flammables when shooting a flint lock. Watch a flintlock fire in slow motion and you will see the flame coming out of the touch hole. And also, if you are shooting for accuracy, you should use sand bags or a rifle rest of some kind on a benched rifle. Don't mean to pick on you, just trying to help out your viewers. 40 years a muzzleloader shooter.