Early Christians Admit Bible is Corrupt!
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Alhamdulillah bro Jake the work ur doing is really important cause it opens the eyes of Muslims & nonMuslims regarding the old scriptures, Muslims can strengthen their fate by this & the nonMuslims can investigate what the Quran speaks about the old scriptures isn't conjecture.
Lol, the part where Justin says that the Jews killed prophets is also great because many Christian missionaries say "Islam says Jews killed prophets but they didn't" (even when the Bible also says so)
Oh this is new, because even Jesus عليه السلام calls out the Jews for killing prophets according to the New Testament
They plan. And Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners ~ Qur’an 8:30
The best of all decievers too lmao
@@TebzzimannSo planning means deceiving to you? Then never plan on your life.
@@psiignoramus9486Allah "planned" for christianity to becom the biggest religion. Allah "Planned" that Jesus would be worshipped because ALLAH made it look like he was crucified and rose again... allah is a dumb god if he exist.
@@TebzzimannEl, Allah, YHWH, Allaha in Aramaic given the Book of Jeremiah, Daniel, and Ezra originally written in Aramaic Dialect. Jesus spoke Aramaic ever since he was born so he said Allaha in Aramaic. Alahim in Hebrew.
Same God. Different Semitic Language calling upon The One and Only.
You wish to make distinctions what The Abrahamic God is and isn’t. That’s what make Jews and Christians People of The Book. Always making distinctions and divisions among themselves on theological and creedal matters for What is God. Hence Heresy and Apostasy galore in both Judaism and Christianity.
Muslims don’t have this problem other than the issue of Imamate (Leadership) in both Sunni and Shia Islam.
For now Christianity is No.1, but only time will tell how long will that last given the Heresies and Apostasies from within.
Islam literally means Submission (aka Surrender) to The Message,
“There is no god except God and Muhammad is The Final Messenger of God.”
Nothing to do with belief when it comes to being a Muslim. All about surrendering your will to Allah and Muhammad is The Final Messenger of Allah for the sake of achieving Peace.
Surah 49:14 (Saheeh International Translation)
**The bedouins say, "We have believed." Say, "You have not [yet] believed; but say [instead], 'We have submitted,' for faith has not yet entered your hearts. And if you obey Allāh and His Messenger, He will not deprive you from your deeds of anything. Indeed, Allāh is Forgiving and Merciful."**
Peace and Submission are interrelated in Islam. Humanity can and will never achieve Peace unless they willingly Submit themselves to The One and Only.
Can Peace be achieved for Humanity without the need for Submission to something or someone?
@@Tebzzimann ahh again. So who is you Islamic teacher? David wood, Sam Shampoo, CP?
Wonderful movie brother, I appreciate your wisdom and the knowledge you provide.
John Chrysostom admitted that many prophetic books were perished during the Exile.
St. Augustine said that many removed the story of the Woman taken in Adultery from the manuscripts.
Their scholars accept it’s corrupt, its the layman namely culturally Christian’s that believe it to be word of god
جَزَاك ٱللَّٰهُ خَيْرًا
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Jazakkallahu khair May Allah increase your ilm and health and wealth and eeman and happiness and hikmath and barakkath and
great work.
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Loved it
May Allah bless you akhi for this crucial information.
Jazakallah Khair ❤
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Great video, thank you
Very informative. Thanks
Brother Jake deserves better support from us Ya Ummah
JazakAllah'u khairan brother
MashaAllah. Amazing stuff bro!
Thank you brother, the evidence is there top be discovered. This is very informative.
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Great information
Awesome stuff, may Allah bless you.
Great job maa shaa Allah!
good stuff
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Fact my brother mashallah 🤲🏾
And Allah is most knowing of your enemies; and sufficient is Allah as an ally, and sufficient is Allah as a helper ~ Qur’an 4:45
May Allah bless you brother. Keep up the good work.
Brilliant
JazakAllahu khair akhi. Can you share a book list and materials we can study to specialize in this topic?
Love you ustadh jake for the sake of Allah SWT ❤❤❤
This is golden
Nice vid
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Which Bible? 73 book Catholic? 77 Orthodox? 66 Protestant? 81 Ethiopian? 75 Coptic? Septuagint? Dead Sea Scrolls? Samaritan? Masoretic? There are so many versions of Bibles. Which one is correct?
All are corrupted .it's not preserved like Qur'an and hadith
None. If the bible is accurate then Al Qur'an would not be revealed.
@@curtishardin3871 Jesus never died and never rose. I don’t believe in foolish fairy tales from corrupted books written by anonymous authors. Provide tangible evidence.
@@curtishardin3871 your God can die??
@@curtishardin3871 😂 see how you so fast to eat your own word. Didn't you just say he DIED and ROSE again? His name casts out demons but he can do nothing to Muslim. He has no right to judge a Muslim. Muslim ain't doing nothing by his name,nothing. So when your bible says in his second coming,he came to judge, it's you and all of this so called Christian . If only you know how to use your 🧠.
Asalam Ailaykum
Allah ya barik feek akhi. 🤲🏼
As a devout Christian, I agree with your critique and analysis. I cannot deny that there are omissions. We can only pray for understanding and discernment.
Prayers were answered :
«We have revealed to you the Book *ONLY TO CLARIFY FOR THEM WHAT THEY DIFFERED ABOUT,* and as a guide and mercy for those who believe.»
(Quran 16:64)
«And it was not possible for this Quran to be produced by other than Allah, but it is a confirmation of what was before it *AND A DETAILED EXPLANATION OF THE FORMER SCRIPTURE,* about which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.»
(Quran 10:37)
its nice your truthful, may allah guide you to the straightpath
Do get a copy of the translation of Quran....read it. See if it makes sense to you. Keep looking. Keep asking the AllMighty God to guide you to the straight path.
May God guide you bro. No offense but one would assume after realizing such things and comparing them to Islam, you would accept the truth God willing.
Have you looked into Islam or is there something that is holding you back from accepting Islam?
@@4ozking858 Probably the Hadiths and weird contradictory theology.
This man is a gem.
MashaAllah… that’s great
SubhanAllah. Who is more truthful than Allah?
Chapter (2) sūrat l-baqarah (The Cow)
Shakir: Do you then hope that they would believe in you, and a party from among them indeed used to hear the Word of Allah, then altered it after they had understood it, and they know (this)
Say, “Is it other than Allah I should desire as a lord while He is the Lord of all things? And every soul earns not except against itself, and no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.” ~ Qur’an 6:164
Jazak Allahu khayr
ما شاء الله
Hello it’s simple Surat 4:46 says Jew change word from their original place. Go to Christian Bible psalm 22;16 then go to Tanak which is for Jew s scripture & psalm 22:16. It’s not there. The verse is in psalm 22:17 and it has a totally different meaning. Quran is always right
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And whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger and fears Allah and is conscious of Him - it is those who are the attainers ~ Qur’an 24:52
Before I believe in what a book says and entrust my salvation to it I must establish is this book from a divine or not. Right? Right. So, let’s examine the Bible. It doesn’t make the claim that it’s from God, it’s not agreed upon what exactly Bible is and what constitutes it, it’s demonstrably not preserved, it’s internally inconsistent, it’s externally inconsistent, it’s got ambiguity in monotheism and historically inaccurate. At what stage do I start caring what it’s message is?
Bible is something like a small library
@@user-dc7uy6vg3y Bible is a Satanic library
@@petegww I read 1 Samuel 15:3 and Psalms 137:9. Do you see “greatness of God” in those verses?
Can you please do a video about how the Passion Narrative found in John was written to look like the Suffering Servant in Isaiah 53? I am very happy to fund the video. Please contact me to further discuss. Thank you so very much and may Allah ( SWT) continue to bless you.
Subhanallah😮 May Allah give them Hidayah. Aamiin🤲
Asalaamu calaykum, akhi jake what book was you reading?
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What they need more to believe…
MashaAllah well explained
I've heard all of this and other early church fathers qouting absent verse from the bible in some of sheikh Munqith Alsaqqar videos
All in arabic so hard to spread between English speakers
Good job brother jazal Allah khair
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Is there a link to the book?
if you want the online version he was reading from, look up 'Dialogue with Trypho' and it's on the website 'New Advent'. The book he was reading has a long name buy if you search 'the fathers of the church st justin martyr vol 6' you should be able to find it.
Comment for the algorithm.
Jake will you ever do a video on Free Will or Platonism etc some of the videos about theology that you used to do
I've been doing plenty of videos about theology. Free will or platonism aren't on my list. So, not those topics any time soon, but other theological matters for sure.
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j martyr, chapter 72, passages have been removed by the jues, in dialougue w/ trypho,
he says in jeremiah i was like a lam brought to sIaughter, let us bIot him out - this passage is in some copies of jeremiah, it has been a short time they have been cut out.
says jeremiah 11.19 has been removed and Lord God remembered his dead ppl and he sent dow to show salvation.
says Iraneous quotes it though it's not in text and attributes it to isaiah.
10 :00 -
says psalams 96 has been altered.
"Lord reign from wood " has been removed.
chapter 73
tryopho says really?
J martyr says they are such bad ppl, why so surpised, they went on to worship gold calf amng Harun, or sacrifice kids or sIay prophets.
they stoIe away scriptures they deleted.
chapter 120
if you had understood these verses you would have removed or deleted the verses like those on deth of Isiah who was sawed in half by the jues.
nice video bro, Eid Mubarak.
Brother jake I have a question, do you claim that there is no pre nicean church father, saint , or theological that affirms nicene orthodoxy trinitarianism. What about Gregory Thaumaturgus? It seems his declaration on faith shows stark similarity with nicene orthodoxy
Yes, there were no Nicene Orthodox Trinitarians in the first 3 centuries. Please provide the reference.
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician in his work titled ' declaration of faith " he writes "There is one God, the Father of the living Word, who is His subsistent Wisdom and Power and Eternal Image: perfect Begetter of the perfect Begotten, Father of the only-begotten Son. There is one Lord, Only of the Only, God of God, Image and Likeness of Deity, Efficient Word, Wisdom comprehensive of the constitution of all things, and Power formative of the whole creation, true Son of true Father, Invisible of Invisible, and Incorruptible of Incorruptible, and Immortal of Immortal and Eternal of Eternal. And there is One Holy Spirit, having His subsistence from God, and being made manifest by the Son, to wit to men: Image of the Son, Perfect Image of the Perfect; Life, the Cause of the living; Holy Fount; Sanctity, the Supplier, or Leader, of Sanctification; in whom is manifested God the Father, who is above all and in all, and God the Son, who is through all. There is a perfect Trinity, in glory and eternity and sovereignty, neither divided nor estranged. Wherefore there is nothing either created or in servitude in the Trinity; nor anything superinduced, as if at some former period it was non-existent, and at some later period it was introduced. And thus neither was the Son ever wanting to the Father, nor the Spirit to the Son; but without variation and without change, the same Trinity abides ever." (www.newadvent.org/fathers/0601.htm)
By the way I read that he is a student or was heavily influenced by Origen of Alexandria
The text is not authentic. I will make a video on it soon in shaa Allah. Also, Origen was not a Trinitarian. I've got several videos on his theology here on my channel.
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician Looking foward to it, thank you :0
Please explain what is of predication is.
I get Clark Kent is Superman , but what does Hansom/ strong have to do with the trinity? I’m confused.
I totally get 3 persons being 100% gos is 3 gods but anything g philosophical to explain 3 gods to be 1 is a word salad game.
But please explain is of predication.
I'll give you some contradictions in the gospel of john john 5 :31 jesus said if i testify about myself , my trestimony is not true but in john 8 14 it says the opposite. 8 14 jesus answered, even If i itestify about my self , my testimony is valid
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Are you also active on tiktok akhi?
No, not really
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician the audience is much bigger there and the algorithm is better, and since the stupid update on clubhouse, most duaat have switched to tiktok.
@@Alisalah_24 don't have the patience for tiktok and the tiktok crowd.
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician haha I understand
We show them the right path so that they do not go astray, but they think that we are attacking them for nothing, but we love good for them, to worship the One Only True God, that's what Islam commands.
Sike
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From which book are u reading??
It most likely isn't quoted directly in the video you're commenting on.
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician I wanna cross check , can u give me the name of the book?
If there is no original of OT and NT…then is there original of the Jewish scriptures, like Talmud or Tanakh and the likes?
From what I understand the tanakkh is the OT Torah and a few extra books. The talmud is the unwritten torah and priestly opinions similar to hadeeth but it is very different.
Simply no. There is thousands of years gap.
Well, one has to keep in mind that in the old times, writing was a luxury. There was no paper & people used to write on bones & stones. So religious scriptures like Torah & Qur'an were mostly oral traditions in the beginning before they were written down. When Qur'an uses the term "the book", it refers to the oral book revealed to the respective prophets. People usually mistake it for the written mus'haf. But remember the Qur'an was not written down as a book in between two covers during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ
So when we say the original book, we refer to the original oral message of the prophets. Only Qur'an is preserved in its entirety. Other books contain these oral messages partially.
There is not
From the DSS we have copies of Isaiah, Jeremiah, and the Psalms before Jesus. If what Justin Martyr claims is true then the verses would not have been removed at this time because it was before Jesus and so before any need to remove them. Yet, when we look at the DSS the verses are not as Justin Martyr claims. Justin Martyr is just using a lazing argument. His reference to Isaiah being sawn in two is from the Ascension of Isaiah. This is a different book altogether.
Was Justin Martyr lying or seriously ignorant and misinformed regarding the sources? Why would he claim these passages were originally in the text and yet there is no evidence of this?
@@TheMuslimMetaphysician Hi :-) We have to deal with the textual evidence that confirms there was no change, from this, we can speculate why Justin wrote what he did. Since Irenaeus and Justin attribute the same quote to different prophets, it sounds like an argument that has no basis and could be applied anywhere, so a misinformed argument.
Seems like you misunderstood the argument I was making in the video. I'm not using the argument to show that there, in fact, have been changes in the Bible. My argument is simply that early church fathers believed the Bible, in fact, had been changed. So, here's the question: Is it a heretical view to believe the Bible has been changed? If so, how should the church fathers who held such a view be perceived? Also, if there is no manuscript evidence to support Justin's claim that those texts were original to the Bible, then where did he get these texts and information from? Was he lying? Did he make it up himself? Were there erroneous Christian traditions prior to Justin that he was pulling from and assumed to be true without properly investigating? These are the questions this video raises. If you understood something else, then you have misunderstood the purpose of the video.
@@TheMuslimMetaphysicianwaiting mr🌿 to respond
In his supposed prison letters, Ignatius confronts Christians that argued against basic tenets of current Christian orthodoxy, including the death, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. These groups were arguing against these notions based on the fact that they are absent from "the original documents" "When I heard some people saying, If i do not find it in the original documents, I do not believe it". Instead of pointing to the verses depicting the death, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, Ignatius vaguely says that they exist in those originals, adding that Jesus himself is sufficient as proof. This group was basically accusing Ignatius of following and believing in a tampered, and falsified gospel.
It is therefore no surprise that the Quran charges Christians for believing with "no knowledge" what it calls a "conjecture" 4:157"they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture".
Source please
@@myinstgiscarbenuim1693 letter to the philadelphians ch8
With Jakes evidence, they no longer can deny the corruption point, particularly f they believe the early Church Fathers were guided by the Holy Spirit. So either the text was not corrupted or the Holy Spirit is an author of confusion. Either way, Jakes point stands solid
It doesn’t 🤦🏽♂️. If Justin Martyr was claiming that the Jews were tampering with the Jewish scriptures to COVER UP Jesus Christ’s prophetic crucifixion and divinity, there will obviously be two reasonable explanations: Justin Martyr is reading (quoting) from an original source or knows what the original scriptures says. Same for other early Christ followers as well, such as Irenaeus, polycarp, clement of Alexandria, and more. Once again with y’all non-researching and gullible people, today we have old Jewish manuscripts or fragments of manuscripts that dates farther than what Justin Martyr was accusing the Jews for tampering with around 150 A.D. That wasn’t the only Jewish manuscript they had lying around. I don’t think you know what the purpose of the Holy Spirit is. The Holy Spirit sanctifies a believer to HELP them grow and live a lifestyle that reflects Christ. He strengthens a believer to overcome attacks and tribulations from the enemy and the world. He teaches a believer the understanding and significance of Jesus Christ’s divinity/essence and teachings of His word. Believers of Christ have to choice to follow the Holy Spirit and listen to Him. Once the Holy Spirit dwells in a person that person doesn’t become all knowing or instantaneously perfect in everything. Yes, the Holy Spirit can give people revelations and insight of something instantly, but He is not obligated to that for everyone. It is according to His will. God helps us grow into the children He want us to become. It is a process and development. I don’t know who you think the early “church fathers” were but they weren’t the same as the Apostles. If the “church fathers” were guided by the Holy Spirit, like every true Christian, that ultimately has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit’s purpose, but it has a lot to do with man’s freewill.
Secondly, if y’all agree so much with Justin Martyr why y’all don’t agree with his claims about Jesus Christ being crucified and Jesus Christ being God. 😂😂😂😂
Ultimately, don't get mad at us Christians for what your allah did. Surah 3;54 says Allah is the best of all deceivers and schemers. allah made it look like someone else was on the cross besides Jesus Christ. Silly allah. He made us this way. 😂🤣
@@keidynasty1024 what I clearly was referring to in my comment was that Christians believe Justin Martyr was an important and very influential figure in the formation of early Christianity, and I also clearly said that Christians believe the Early Church and the Early Church Fathers were guided by the holy spirit when they formulated what came later to be seen as the foundational doctrines of the Church , so if a person believes the holy spirit is guiding different people to different positions, then the holy spirit must be an author of confusion based on their beliefs and their position.
Muslims obviously don’t believe at all that Early Church Fathers, or Christians in general, are and were guided by “a holy spirit”, and the clear position I expressed in my comment is, it appears to me that Early Church Fathers were just expressing their personal views, yet they and the people who came after them all claim to be guided by the holy spirit (so their claim is demonstrably unsubstantiated)
@@keidynasty1024 I never claimed Muslims agree with Justin Martyr, and no one else did, so Why are you misrepresenting what I said and Why are you misrepresenting our position?
Are these the ethics that your religion teaches?
Because your response explains a lot
Do you believe that you were being guided by the holy spirit when you posted the above response? 🤔
Also, some of the major early Christians didn't believe in Jesus's crucifixion. Don't believe me or call me a liar before you do your own research.
even if God's words are unchanged, the content in God's books can still be Mixed with man's words
God's words: the father is Greater than jesus
man's words: a-actually... the father a-and jesus are O-One, they are c-co e-equal
therefore corrupted bible🤷
Woow
Calling Jesus who was a Prophet, as the God Himself or son of Him shows how fanatics and disoriented they are.
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