Did Ancient Egyptians Circumnavigate Africa?
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- The story goes that around 600 BCE, Pharaoh Necho II dispatched an Egyptian fleet down the East African coast to discover if the continent could be circumnavigated by sea. Three years later, the sailors passed through the Pillars of Hercules (modern Gibraltar) and made it back to Egypt. It was largely regarded as a tall tale by the learned men of the day... but clues found in an ancient Greek text indicate that this epic expedition may have actually taken place.
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Today I saw one of those Internet quotes, not sure who it was by but said "Never make fun of someone for mispronouncing historic words - it usually means they took the effort to read them in a book"
Which is really retarted, and just an academic self wanking. Whether someone has heard a word or read a word, has no bearing on their intelligence or merit.
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography “retarted”
That's an awesome quote. I'm collectivizing that.
Very true, but the Indian and the Atlantic are Fun Oceans anyhow
I actually love that quote.
In Hanno's defense, they weren't endangered at the time.
Valid. I suppose he also has an argument against the sexual assault charge, but trading it for bestiality seems like a sidegrade at best.
@@richmcgee434 facts besides sexual assault is... a bit of a human construct, ask beetles ducks and cats where their philosophies lie in that subject
@@dantemonterey1507 We kept ducks when I was a kid. At one point predation by coyotes had gotten us down to four males and a single surviving female. The males were all very much on board with sexual assault, often en masse and always violent. The female clearly had a differing opinion about the issue, and eventually had to be given away before they flat out killed her. So at least in the case of our rape-happy fuckducks I can assure you that it's not just a human construct.
@@richmcgee434 yeah but all duck procreation is rape, my point being that there are many species of animal that ONLY procreate through sexual assault so in nature i would argue it would be hard to judge per say a duck for sexual assault if they all are born through sexual assault
@@dantemonterey1507 I have kept ducks for fifteen years and I can assure you that mutual procreation exists among them, but rape is indeed a frequent occurrence among them.
Ok but imagine armored gorillas going over the Alps and attacing the Romans
Ready to join the Dawnguard?
They later became papal Swiss gorilla guards. I swear, saw it on "Venture Bros." once.
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No
*Joe Rogan salivating*
The Phen-oceans. Renown for their ability as sailors on the normal-oceans.
@Oscar Wind "Phe-NO-menal"
Phoenicians yes :-)
Phoenicians even went up to Mississippi River had settlements Indians called them round faces
@@jonkore2024 That's not true. It's like you didn't even watch the video hahahaha.
According to Al Stewart, Hanno the Navigator said to him:
Strangest women run wild down there,
covered head to toe in fur and hair.
They fight like demons,
better let them be,
Funniest shit I've read this week
That is a good doggo. I want to pet it.
He is a good boy.
@Atun-Shei Films Very good boy. The Goodest.
Does he speak german?
@@tomerpilo5193 Oh no.
I want to boop the snoot
I did some quick checks on the presence of volcanoes on the African coast and on the habitat of gorillas. There is a volcano in Dakar in Senegal, but that one was described as extinct for at least the past 10.000 years. The first more active volcano is on the island of Bioko, part of Equatorial Guinea. It was described as probably having been active in the past 2.000 years. In that area there are several more volcanoes that have been active.
Interestingly, it is also around Cameroon and Equatorial Guinea that the natural habitat of gorillas begins.
Both stories suggest that perhaps the Phoenicians made it further down the coast, somewhere around Cameroon maybe.
You mean the Punics, right?
@@occam7382 No, Phoenicians is appropriate.
@@DavidEllis94, I know. But if we're talking about the Carthaginians here, I think it only makes sense that a term is used to differentiate them from the Phoenicians of the Levant.
@@occam7382 I mean, sure, so then call them Carthaginians. For my part, I can't say I've ever seen Punic used as a noun.
frankly, if any ancient Mediterranean people was gonna be able to figure out the Atlantic currents to make it down the coast it'd be the Phoenicians
Another interesting expedition is the fleet that the king of Mali led west from his kingdom in the Middle Ages. That one never came back, presumably lost in the Atlantic, but these would make some epic stories.
Do you think scuba divers could find some ruins of their ship?
@@malluk7064 honestly, I don't know anything about marine archaeology. If this happened then that would be awesome as hell.
Well if they were lost at sea on the way there, then their only epic story would be that of endless water, starvation, and then dying in a storm or something.
Would be cool if it turned up in the Americas
Kwasimitsu there were rumors of portuguese sailors coming across a settlement of black africans in brazil around 1500 so its possible
Ok the doggo has a bow tie . Therefore he's an expert on the subject . Can we have him speak more on these issues?
If only we had those talking Nazi dogs...
4:32 Footage of Atun-Shei trying to teach his dogs to talk so that they could go on secret missions for him
Sounds like a project for Klaus....
Even if it’s a historical fantasy or an anachronistic combination of the accounts, I’d like to see film or television series based on this supposed event. It’s really cool speculative history!
Das Boot (Egyptian Edition)
Hey, now we're the Spartans! "It's a long way, to Peloponnesia!"
Any written record is likely to have been in the Library of Alexandria, which might explain why the Phoenician adventure chronicles didn't survive
😢
I love Caesar but fuck him for his role in destroying the library
Thats so sad
Womp womp womp
@@johnad101 he earned his murder for the loss of allthat knowledge
One day you'll stop getting "this should have way more views" comments. Here's looking forward to that cosmic balance
I've introduced at least three people to this channel, so I've done my bit. They don't comment though.
I always thought it was weird that no one in the classical world ever tried to circumnavigate Africa especially with their sailing prowess and the fact that they would never need to lose sight of land. Thanks for this
Why would they though? I'm sure someone tried to circumnavigate Asia too, without much luck.
The way you handled that pronunciation mistake was how I want all corrections handled forever.
They thought gorillas were humans, but they ended up skinning them and selling their skin? Humans used to be so brutal, Jesus
Watch any video on grey Silverbacks
to be fair.. they didn't selling their skins... they put in a temple (as a offering or/and as a prof of the voyage)
and probably killing them was a good choice... the gorillas were not cooperating and imagine what 3 gorillas scared on a ship can do....
@@cabellones Yes, this thing I am trying to kidnap is giving me too much trouble...murder is clearly the sensible option.
Antiquity was a pretty brutal place in general.
The brutality of us humans hasn't diminished, we've gotten more efficient in that horrible aspect. Sad really.
There is a great and wonderful irony in botching "Phoenicians" who had one of the first phonetic alphabet, regardless of whether phonetic and Phoenicians are related terms etymologically speaking.
During a class on the Atlantic Slave trade, my professor talked about the currents along the West African coast, specifically the difficulty the Portuguese had in figuring out how to go BACK to Europe. Turns out the current runs south, and in order to get back to Europe they had to go far out into the ocean.
This makes me suspect on any accounts of the ancients travelling NORTH along the West African coast.
Ancient ships relied on rowing crews though, right? Could that have let them overcome southward currents?
They mentioned stopping for extended periods of time. It’s likely that you could do it with rowers, particularly if speed isn’t a priority.
@@JamLeGull I think the big problem would have been when they got to the coast of Namibia, where there wouldn't be any food for them to grow or forage and the inhabitants who might have been able to help them were hunter-gatherers who would have little interest in trade and probably zero interest in helping them find food. This would have been long before Bantu-speaking people got that far south.
crumbum2 is right-Peter Forbath's book "The River Congo" explains the problem of going north and how the Portuguese overcame it. of course it led to the Atlantic slave trade. I don't believe the ancient ships were capable of going far enough into the Atlantic to catch the north bound current or breeze.-good video though. JN
john nance they wouldn’t need to. They were riverine and littoral vessels largely powered by rowers that could stay close enough to the shore to avoid that.
That interaction between the random dog was so wholesome. How dare they. Thanks for not editing it out.
In regards to the Hebrews having a lot of time on their hands in Babylonia and writing a book that's been found in nightstands drawers of motels for millennia: I've never seen a copy of the Babylonian Talmud in a motel nightstand drawer. :P
The Babylonian Talmud was written in the 3rd to 6th century AD (or CE). The books of Prophets and Writings were compiled in Babylonian exile in the 6th century BC (or BCE). So the "Old Testament" as many people call it was (partially) written or compiled during the Babylonian Exile, whereas the Babylonian Talmud was written during the Roman-caused diaspora.
I think it would fill up a few drawers lmao
I doubt any Jew has a full working knowledge of the Talmud, and I think the number who've read the entire thing must be a low percentage. I hear people occasionally quoting controversial passages from it, but I wonder how many Jews even know the ones in question.
Herodotus was willing to believe there were ants the size of horses in the desert but not that you could sail that far south
It is a little off on the timeline but the Polynesians went from the western pacific to Madagascar around year 1, but as early as 300 bc. reading about the exploits of the Polynesians in school is something I will always look fondly on. Even remember a few of the constellations (hawaiians had 4 main ones for direction).
When you said "Ivory and Ebony" I immediately thought of that song, ya know, Raining Blood by Slayer.
Now I can't get it out of my head.
Canucklehead 🤣 From a lacerated skyyy!
Quality profile pic
I immediately thought of DMC
Darius (the Great) I of Achaemenid Persia completed the canal which lasted until 600 A.D. The court also recorded a circumnavigation at 500BC via the Phoenicians of Africa. - Olmstead.
What happened in 600 AD?
@@BritishRepublicsn The canal silted up, it could not be maintained.
@@freedomtosayno7880 :(
No
@@freedomtosayno7880 Probably because of the Byzantines and Sassanids beating each other into a coma. Plus the after effects of the catastrophic Climate Disaster of 535-545 CE.
I remember to this day the Gorillai anecdote from a fourth grade textbook and shocked was I for the fact that they thought them to be humans AND flayed them.
What a way to treat humans you are meeting for the very first time. If that is how societies react o meeting for the first time then maybe we should stay on earth and not explore the stars before we flay an alien's pet
@@johnad101 If you read nasa plan for meeting alien life they plan to kidnap and descet them so not to different
When you spoke of bringing back one of the sailors I thought you'd walk of screen and then you dressed as an Egyptian sailor would walk on from the other side.
4:32 bonus doggo
yay
I would like your take on the Bronze Age collapse!
Absolutely! Mind you, it is a huge topic, with historians still debating just what the hell happened.
a clue: Iron
@@bgerystt3801 Tin or the lack of it as well as agressive migration into the relevant Civilastions.
Hanno's expedition or even Necho's would make interesting movies.
Our boy used the soundtrack from the Mummy Returns video game. I'm five months late to the party, but I noticed. It's a bitchin soundtrack tho
I also noticed this. Now I know 3 people played that game!
5,000 YEARS HAVE PASSED FROM THAT DAY TO THIS
@@AtunSheiFilms lol
I was afraid that passage about the gorillas was going to end that way too.
I recently discovered your channel and I've been just kind of binging your videos, and they're great, I've enjoyed them.
But I just I want to say, I like that so many of them are outdoors. Like, not just because I'm from Biloxi so the New Orleans locales are familiar ones to me, but because so few CZcamsrs in this genre do that.
I really liked this video, the little tidbits that we have from ancient sources read like a fantasy novel.
welp i think i have a new setting for a Savage Worlds campaign for my local gaming club.
Your videos are incredible my friend.
When I first saw the title of the video I thought, "no way. Ancient sailors at that time wouldn't have ships built well enough for such a journey" but after hearing all of the accounts you outlined it does sound plausible. One of the many things I wish we could know for certain, but I highly doubt any archaeological evidence will ever be found to support it. It's kind of a miracle the Greeks recorded it and it survived all this time to be known in the first place.
I've always wanted to learn about the Fen Oceans.
I am reminded of Lucian's "A True Story", a book written with the sole purpose of mocking all this stories that claimed of explorers reaching far away lands filled with never seen people and wonders, basically Lucian considered all these claims were full of crap.
A lot of them were, but if people travelled, they would see odd things. Giraffes, for example, unlike anything in Europe, striped horses and massive lizards.
Please do more videos like this about different ancient civilisations. Pleaseeee.
Cool ties and another great video!
Thanks :)
**sees him pull out the Book of the Dead**
GET THE WITCHFINDER GENERAL!!
“I am the VVitchfinder General of the colony of Massachusetts Bay…”
@@ChaseMcCain81 VVitchfinger General! This bearded individual is using a book of dark sorcery!
@@LEGOMANIAC419 *gasps* “Devilry!”
This is one of the most awesome sites on CZcams!!!
I don't know if commenting on older videos like this helps with the CZcams algorithm but I just found your channel today.
About 8 videos deeps now and it occurred to me I should like and comment in the vain hope it somehow helps you.
Herodotus says the Phoenicians were ordered to sail in the direction of the setting sun, ie the West and that they returned 3 years later coming up the Red Sea. I suggest you check your copy of Herodotus. But you are of course correct about the sailors saying the sun was in the North "when we sailed in the direction of the rising sun, at mid day the sun was on our left hand". The nice thing about Herodotus he includes the things that people have told him even when he doesn't believe them to be true which often in fact authenticate them.
My first time hearing about Hanno the Navigator was in the Al Stewart song of the same name.
Of course, Al Stewart is the patron saint of historical rock music. Who else would write a song about Warren G. Harding?
Al Stewart writes historical rock music? All I know is Year of the Cat (which is awesome)
A calypso.
Which was (um) interesting.
Never heard his Hanno song.
Sal is the badass alpha wolfhound, protector of the people pack.
R Johnson And keeper of the bow tie..
Susan Maggiora Ah yes, cannot forget the bow tie. My mountain lions approve.
0:35 Poor Doggo is wondering who our host is talking to.
6:34
King Ashur-dan would like to have a word with you.
Also you forgot tge part where Necho was actually trying to aid Ashur-uballit and his corpse of an Assyrian Empire at Carchemish so that the wouldn't have to deal with a powerful Babylon.
But nice touch on the Battle of Megiddo.
Other than that good vid
Okay…so the Greek speaking people called them Phoenician… but what did they call themselves? And how do we know how to pronounce these words when dealing with a dead language? I think it would be amazing to hear how these languages actually sounded. As always keep up the good work. Your work is some of the best that I have seen on CZcams..
Its a bit of an art figuring out what old languages sounded like. One of the biggest clues historians use is actually ancient typos. If you wrote 'The bold nite rode to battle' and a thousand years from now your sentence was seen, it would be a clue. They could combine this with the fact the word 'nite' doesn't seem to be real, as they can't find it written anywhere else and surmise that it is a mispelling. From there, they can guess the context and assume the word 'knight' must have been meant because that word would fit there. So now we know that 'knight' must not have been pronounced with a 'k' sound. These ancient mistakes can be found everywhere. Very few in the ancient world actually knew how to read and would instead dictate their words to a scribe. Without the ability to read, they must just trust that the scribe wrote it correctly. Another common source of helpful mistakes is in the form of graffiti. The Romans in particular loved to write graffiti.
You combine this guesswork with comparisons to the modern languages that descended from these and you can start to get a pretty good idea of what they must have sounded like.
The Phoenicians called themselves Chanani AKA Cannanite. That endonym was attested as late as the 5th century by St Augustine among the last Punic (the Roman term for Phoenician) speakers in Africa.
"When our rural peasants are asked what they are, they reply, in Punic, Chanani, which is only a corruption by one letter of the alphabet of what we would expect: What else should they reply except that they are Chananei?"
Source : books.google.tn/books?id=F8ZRPTgcjrcC&pg=PA431&lpg=PA431&dq=%22When+our+rural+peasants+are+asked+what+they+are,+they+reply,+in+Punic,+Chanani,+which+is+only+a+corruption+by+one+letter+of+the+alphabet+of+what+we+would+expect:+What+else+should+they+reply+except+that+they+are+Chananei?%22&source=bl&ots=C7oyAovp78&sig=ACfU3U0a6ehJWJwFiesw4llwtiik0vG3oA&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmr5agg5D9AhXT7LsIHY4jCpsQ6AF6BAgIEAM#v=onepage&q=%22When%20our%20rural%20peasants%20are%20asked%20what%20they%20are%2C%20they%20reply%2C%20in%20Punic%2C%20Chanani%2C%20which%20is%20only%20a%20corruption%20by%20one%20letter%20of%20the%20alphabet%20of%20what%20we%20would%20expect%3A%20What%20else%20should%20they%20reply%20except%20that%20they%20are%20Chananei%3F%22&f=false
There are also inscriptions in Sicily and North Africa that suggest the term "Phoenician" was probably itself adopted by the Phoenicians as well due to contact with the Greek speaking world.
We can all take solace in the fact that when the dudes from Carthage raped gorillas they probably weren't an endangered species yet
Love the Tie dude!!! Bonus points for the puppy!
I was so hoping to hear you say " it was f#ckin anubis "! Again . 🤣🤣🤣. Great video tho. Top notch stuff as always. Favorite show on CZcams 🤘
That ending LMAO 😄🤣
Great tie.
I love Sal and his bow-tie, what a sweet little doggo.
Dude I love that tie!
lol my sister's boyfriend's dad thinks that they discovered australia lol
Does he play eu4
lol Im pretty sure Australia was first settled by people that sailed from various pacific islands by way of modern day Indonesia and southwest Asia. I think there's a theory that someone from Australia and Indonesia made it all the way to Madagascar though maybe he's misremembering something like that since Madagascar is at least close to Africa lol
Is the guy a Hebrew Isrealite or some variety of hotep?
Ha ha ha! What an idiot. Good thing your sister broke up with that bf.
@@emmanuelmayoral9779 nice try. Good luck on your quest to ensure people know Africans never did anything of note.
That Mummy reference/bit was *chef kiss* perfect. I don't i think ive ever click like on video so fast in my life lol
Necho: Let’s build a canal from the Nile the the Red Sea to connect it to the Mediterranean
The British: I have a better idea
Actually it was done by french company that was hired by then egyptian rulers,
At that time the british actually opposed it. Cuz of france
British?????
Decent video! You really toe that line between cheesy and funny. I like it.
I’ve watched this so many times, one of my favorite videos
I think I have to give up Roman history for a while, I heard the word Carthage and I imidately got sick to my stomach and a little bit angry.
A bit salty today, are we?
Naña Bidnis what are we, Carthage ground?
Melt...
@@cuckmulligan7602 Carthago delenda est
I think I have to give up Carthaginian history for a while, I hear the word Rome and I immediately got sick to my stomach and a little bit tyrannical.
I remember reading about a West African King who tried to sail to Brazil
So, is there any physical archaeological evidence of the circumnavigation?
No
@Liver Success How would they though? It's actually a long way down to the equator, let alone anywhere far enough south that they would notice this effect.
Why would they *correctly* surmise you could sail around Africa (except for Suez), but not Europe or Asia by sea?
The Africans didn't have good vessels either... in fact they never even discovered Madagascar seemingly. That was left to the Austronesians.
Been watching for a while. Only subbed because he is nice to strange dogs. Good man.
Great as always. Keep it up
nice tie
Is that dog the best part of the video. I really like the vid btw
I had a history professor in ‘94 that must have been having a bad day bc the first thing he said in class was about slavery & Egypt. He stated that yes there was slaves BUT also… after fields were harvested Ramses II employed the people to do his building when the people were free from field work.
The pharaoh I associate most with Megiddo is Thutmose III, not Necho II, so I was confused for a second. I'm honestly surprised they didn't come up with a different name for Necho II's battle; wouldn't calling it "Second Battle of Megiddo" be better? Although come to think of it, that might imply a relationship between the two other than just occurring in the same place and involving Egypt versus the locals.
The dog is hearing him speak and going "who is he talking to? Is he talking to me? or has he finally gone insane? if insane who's gonna open the dog food?" You can see the worry in his face.
Just subscribed! Your knowledge is mind-blowing.
There are also reports of Phoenician writings on rocks in the Rio de la Plata region of South America, ancient amphora washing up on the shores of the Bay of Jars in Brazil (where hat government dumped many tons of rocks and dirt over a suspected Phoenician ship wreck) and writings by Portugese/Spanish explorers which reported finding the remains of Phoenician/Roman ships stuck in the river banks mud. OOPARTS are so much fun
Glad you use Wallis Budge's translation of Coming forth by Day
That tie fucking rocks
So if the Carthaginian expedition happened a hundred years after the Phoenician-Egyptian one, and the Greek account of the Phoenician-Egyptian expedition was written a century later, does that mean while Herodotus was writing about Necho II while the Carthaginians were having their adventures? What's the time frame here? Could Herodotus's writings have encouraged the Carthaginians to make their trip?
An interesting thought.
I think Atun-shei made a tiny approximation here - Herodotus was writing in the 400s BCE, while the Phœnician-Egyptian expeditian happened in the late 600s BCE. Therefore there was most likely like 150 years between the events and Herodotus's account of it. As for the Carthaginian expedition, we have difficulty dating it, b ut probably around 500 BCE, so before Herodotus's time as well.
Lol isn’t the music from the mummy returns game?
That tie is awesome, I want it.
This was awesome, enjoyable and very informative. Love your dogs!
The writing of a 'book' during the Jewish Babylonian Exile that "is in every hotel drawer today," was an interesting, unexplored aside.
Does a video exist of this topic?
There are a few, yes.
The interesting thing is that most believers try to ignore it because it's a messy topic, rather than wrestle with the concept that scripture itself--what to include and how to interpret it--was fought over in the past just as it is today.
I find it rather relatable. It doesn't make it harder for me to have faith at all; on the contrary, the struggle to understand what God wants from us is even reflected in the text itself.
Recognizable patterns like trying to justify oneself or the actions of one's ancestors through religion, whether it was actually God's will or not, are just a part of being human. The real lesson to learn there is that we must wrestle with our imperfect pasts, both individually and collectively. That worthy monuments like the Bible itself are to be taken seriously and inspire us, but not made into idols, as some would do with historical figures.
Matthew Swenson thank you for your thoughtful reply.
What you say generally holds true. Probably the bravest action we could take is a continual, honest self-reflective assessment of our actions and their results or repercussions!
Again, thanks.
Yes. czcams.com/video/SCy7NuujCLc/video.html
@@TheFranchiseCA "..... God's will or not, are just a part of being human---" : you mean of retarded humans?
Man you are a great content creator
This makes sense.
But I just love how dog #1 came to the video in business attire as well.
Was this video filmed while you were in florida? I'm a local but it could be that Louisiana looks more similar than I thought
Is that tie on the dog a nod to the History Guy?
I didn't learn anything from this video... I was too distracted by the adorable Dog. will have to watch again to retain info
Nice tie
Nice tie, Andy
that dog is so good he sits there the entire video lol
Nice vid!
I want that tie!
There needs to be a movie about this!
Come for the circumnavigation story, stay for the fabulous tie
I fucking love your tie
The was the best first 25 seconds of any CZcams video ever. "Dude what the FUCK...?!"
I like the tie.
Sal is a beautiful dog👍 my ex rescued 4 romanian pups, Sal looks like a hybrid of the oldest two 👍👍
This guy is comedic gold!
Love the little dog. Also think your videos that I have seen are very enjoyable.
Now I want you to do a video about the funeral of William the Conqueror.
thats a cool tie
4:31 that’s a nice dog
4:32 HE HAS 2?!