Persona 3 Reload - Elizabeth Boss Fight - 6 Turn Kill / No DLC / No Magic Mastery / Merciless
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- Here is the improved version of the low turn kill Elizabeth fight in Persona 3 Reload's Merciless mode. I managed to get it down to 6 turn kill as I calculated from the last video's pinned comment, the fortune teller's buff really helps so much. Make sure to start the fight with the protagonist and Fuuka's Theurgies charged up. Get a Cup card from shuffle time that grants Auto-Charge and Concentrate effect. And don't forget to make use of the Soul Fortune buff from the fortune teller in Club Escapade, which allows us to charge up Theurgies faster.
Original video description:
Well this fight can be cleared in 4 to 5 minutes now. In the remake, Elizabeth has 3 different phases, a new change from the original. First phase is fairly similar to the fight in the original game. Second phase begins when Elizabeth's HP is under 13,000, in this phase we have to get her HP to below 10,000 as soon as possible in order to get into phase three, otherwise she nukes us with Megidolaon. However, we can take advantage of the second phase by repelling her own God's Hand with Repel Strike + Endures, and skipping about the other half of the fight (phase three). We can use both Endure and Enduring Soul to tank two of her 9999 Megidolaons in between her God's Hand. Make sure her HP is below 10,000 after she gets her own God's Hand repelled and immediately cast Armageddon, otherwise she will use Diarahan, spams more Megidolaons and we lose.
Chapters
00:00 The Fight
03:37 Rewards
04:02 Persona Builds & Equipment
#persona3reload #persona3 #p3 - Hry
Oni and Anubis are the only two lower-leveled personas in Persona 3 Reload that have no weaknesses and don't require maxing any social links to unlock.
Edit:
The Merciless no DLC lowest turns record has been brought down to 5 turns! The strat for this utilizes the 'King and I' fusion spell on Elizabeth's vulnerability to ice after using Surt. However, this requires the 'Magic Mastery' passive to work, which is unfortunate, because that skill is mutation only and is not inheritable. But anyways, shoutouts to youtube.com/@bothdoorscares3878 for discovering the strat!
Thank you, I've been wondering about this! They adjusted Tam Lin to have a weakness now and I was wondering who could replace them early on.
Saki mitama
Oh, you replaced Asura for Anubis o-o
Bro I am on my first run and maxed out of links and and got the the compendium to 98% this is my only challenge left I hope to beat her with your tactics
czcams.com/video/AiWL0zKLZ7Q/video.html
The purposeful repel punish to skip diarahan healing is so genius, very well done!
I just realized that. He triggered her on purpose
New Anubis meta just dropped, Physical Anubis plus his Oni boyfriend
What
What
Love them both
i was on my phys Chernobog stuff ngl
becoming oni
What a fun watch, great showcase man.
Awesome strat! That repel to push her under 10k is a marvelous touch. It's like mocking the boss by triggering her trap card right before pulling out your Exodia.
Back in base p3 for the ps2, it was the only way to ever beat her. You needed a calculator to watch her health and High Counter since physical repel personas were always weakness exploited. Theurgy wasn't a thing back then, there was only the protagonist knowing fusion spells and nobody else. Y'all are so spoiled to beat such a heavily nerfed superboss
Thank you very much i was really struggling to defeat her. I love you
An even better reference, MUCH THANKS! ❤
Thank you. THANK YOU
I copied your tactic and it worked. Finally, after so many hours of grinding.
EDIT
You just got a new subscriber.
I wanna ask something, do u max the persona stats or not?
@@hunk4808
First of all, you need to be at level 99 with main character, obviously. If you're killing Reaper over and over and/or collect 'respawning' items on F220+ of Tartarus, money will never be a problem. You will have several mil yens, which you can use to buy gems and trade for incense items.
Now, as you can see in this video, he had max stats on 4 personas - Saki Mitama (Debilitate), Oni (Scarlet Havoc), Anubis (Akasha Arts), and Helel (Morning Star). Now, I can't say that I did much experents, and I don't know how important other stats are in this particular fight, but I do know that the power of Scarlet Havoc comes from STR and MAG stats combined. So, when you trigger that theurgy with whatever persona you have (Zrego used Oni, i used Siegfried), make sure that this particular persona has both STR and MAG at max.
Equipped skills are way more important, and Fuuka needs to use this particular skills after which you get *Party is charged and focused!* message before you use Akasha Arts skill. If she raises you STR / DEF etc you probably won't deal enough damage with Akasha Arts.
Armageddon is always dealing 9999 damage.
@@hunk4808
I don't know where the hell is my answer to you. I wrote it, posted it, and I don't see it anywhere.
The power of Scarlet Havoc (used in this vid) is a result of STR and MAG stats combined, meaning you do need to max both STR and MAG for maximum damage. I'm not sure how much other stats affect damage or do they even affect it because I didn't experiment. But if you're grinding levels by killing Reaper, and if you collect all those respawnable treasures on Floors 220+ in Tartarus, you should have enough yen to buy lots of gems and turn them into incense items.
But to answer your question, yes, I maxed stats on Mitama, Siegfried (I used that instead or Oni), the Akasha Arts persona and on Helel, but not on Arahabaki.
@@kindergrinder3920 i see, thanks for the info my friend!
I used this strat to beat her in my ng+ run, great video!
0:49 The moment Elizabeth said "DORO PERUSONA KADO"...
Is this a "DORO MONSTA KADO" reference from Yu-Gi-Oh?
Yes, she references Yu-Gi-Oh when summoning since the original.
To the future generation, you got this, bro
anubis meta let's go
Elizabeth: I am changing my rules. 😂
Thanks bro. Finally defeated her after countless hours of farming money for max stats
its gona take so long to get those buffs
whoah cool!!
i just beat my merciless playthrough and want to start another with a 6 or 5-turn elizabeth kill. Do you have any advice for how to min-max more efficiently? apart from just farming the reaper lol. cool video and strategy btw. i love players who do fun stuff like this
All stars *MUST* align for this strategy to work. 2 Crits in a Row, and Fuuka Charge & Concentrate Theurgy. Just Land those and youre good to go
This method helped out a ton to clear her in 6 turns.
Getting the numbers right by the 5th turn is a bit of a biter.
Thanks man I did this method to beat her, but damn did it take a lot of resets to get all critical hits and for Akasha arts to hit twice 😭
Did you put a resist light n dark skill card for saki mitama
For the gods hand reflect does the difficulty need to be merciless? I've been testing this method on peaceful and Elizabeth never does enough damage to herself to get below half.
Repel damage is calculated assuming that the caster is hitting themselves. And as the enemies got a damage buff in difficulties greater than normal, the repel damage gets increased as well. Yeah that's a factor.
At that point, you're better off doing a one shot Scarlet Havoc in two turns. Since Peaceful allows that to happen.
thanks my G, im already tired of hearing her saying "I bring you megidolaon"
How fast can you beat her with dlc personas?
Calc and Setup? I see multiple things that arent level unlocked, or am I wrong?
Great vid man
I wonder if you could make it one turn shorter (skipping Anubis) if you used Cendrillon for Scarlet Havoc
You should try DLC personas and show us how faster this gets haha
You can one tap Elizabeth with Scarlet havoc. On peaceful, of course. My current high score is 4 turns on Merciless, I’m unsure if faster is possible.
5 turns, sorry
I was able to get around 9K-ish after Debilitate with Scarlet Havoc and Cendrillon on a crit on hard - not sure if it'd be significantly different on Merciless. I suppose if you could shave off the Debilitate turn, and had enough damage without it (Maybe Black Viper would help get the damage where it needs to go in Phase 2) it might be able to get cut down to 4 turns. I might see what can be done on a Merciless run but the thought of having to grind fusions to get Almighty Amp is a bit daunting.
Looking at this, this is the limit of no DLC Merciless. allowing Drivers would be the idea but it can only reduce it by 1 turn only.
No Debilitate is probably not the best idea. 1.4x damage increase for two attacks (One being Scarlet Havoc) is much more significant compared to another attack. And there's no Vulnerability to exploit in the first turn. Unless maybe you can pop off Scarlet Havoc twice somehow. But I'd guess that's not good enough to reduce by 1 turn. Tie it at best.
@@tsundairyqueen9723 No black viper, a sever element dlc persona with Magic Mastery does more.
How come your starting persona is Saki Mitama instead of using Lucifer for all the Auto buffs? You don't get the Auto buffs just from having Lucifer in your currently held personas do you? You have to start the fight with him to get the Auto effects?
I actually started with Lucifer, but I clicked the R1 button too fast at the start that you didn't get to see it lol
Found the most consistent way for me with my wacko setup. SH crit for 6.3k, debilitate, Brave blade for 1.5k crit, morning star for 1200, megi gem for 200, repel 900.
Had a question about the Gods Hand reflect…your damage is much higher than mine at ~1,200 where I’m at 800 or so…what stat determines the damage difference?
It could be that enemies hit harder on higher difficulties, in my case merciless, and therefore increasing their own repelled damage. Or that you used Debilitate instead of Rakunda prior to the repel, Debilitate debuffs the enemies' atk and so their own repelled damage will be lower too.
@@Zrego I appreciate that man. Seems like when I use CHARGE before hand, the repelled God's Fist will do around 1,100 ... I'll keep in mind the debilitate factor. Have done multiple testing. As far as damage on different difficulties, I can confirm, but it's the other way around. I'm playing on hard, and when I go to Normal, God's Fist repel does more damage.
@@ZregoWould that mean you have a higher chance of accidentally killing yourself on peaceful difficulty (since you're doing a lot more damage to the enemy)
@@DashieFan5 Nah you can one shot her with cendrillon in peaceful mode lmao
Repel damage is basically simulating the caster hitting themselves. Since enemy damage is buffed, it stands to reason that repel damage is also increased. It doesn't seem to scale off of any stat apart from the debuffs you put on her.
She became bookmark reaper😢
Even with autorebellion I can't seem to hit double crit, is there any consistent other way?
the other way is using Inferno after scarlet havoc
I can't get a reading at Escapade on 1/31. Are you supposed to do it on 1/30?
Yeah fortune reading is not available on 1/31
Ara, ara-ara-ra 😂 dorow! 😂👍 she legit a duelist player 😂
this strat will work but its still very up to RNG whether its successful or not. Havoc must crit, her jack frost must not up her defense, fuuka theurgy must give you concentrate, and akasha arts must crit and hit twice, if none of these things happen this strat will not work, so to everyone out there... just keep trying
i keep forgetting almighty type attacks cannot be blocked or dodged
Is that not the case in merciless? I dodged the Megidoloan from Masakado a couple times.
Regular almighty attacks can be dodged. Elizabeth has 2 versions of Megidolaon, a normal version of it that does the normal damage and can be dodged. While the other is a special one that deals fixed 9999 damage and has a fixed 100% accuracy and therefore cannot be dodged, Ali Dance doesn't even affect this one.
How did you build that Saki Mitama? Seems like 4 skills is the max that a persona can inherit and I've only been able to find skill cards for concentrate, charge, and resist phys. How did you manage to fuse with those specific skills?
Antique shop sells more resist elemental skill cards. Not sure if she only does after a certain time because I am almost at the end
You'd have to find Heat Riser/Debilate from locked chests in Tartarus. Resist Light and Dark can only be inherited through Black Frost and Anubis respectively.
@@vincefromdowntown1622 I've found that she sells all except for resist dark and light. Within the trade items option, I'm not seeing them there
@@ZephyrAeon1337 I've made it all the way to floor 255 and have yet to run into any :/
Are they twilight fragment chests?
@@Gale- They are, yeah.
My favorit artist did your strat,and somehow he got anubis with strike driver
The driver skills are exclusive to DLC personas, so if they got it on anubis it was through modding/cheating
@@jsd4574 yeah,dlc is must have ,but he said it was from mutate when fullmoon
@@rahmansepti540 using a mod that allows all skills to be inherited can allow this. It's very much doubtful that this kind of thing is possible in normal gameplay. Unless that was done on console, that's very doubtful.
My Siegfried is max lvl with max str agi and endurance. Is that a good enough alternative to Oni? Too lazy to level him up lol
sadly siegfried still has weakness unlike oni, and he also null phys and light that will get you punished by pixie
Beat it with siegfried and telos on peacefull mode. I just use siegfried to buff scarlet havoc and dealt 11k dmg
Is there an alternative to Arahabaki? Could I just use a persona with Repel Strike?
Yes
I originally thought this was NG+ hence all the personas at 99 stats, but I read that compendium doesnt carry over into NG+, how did you get all your personas up to those stats? was it gem grind for incense cards?
You can carry over everything to NG+ if the said NG+ is not started in Merciless. And yes I grinded a ton of money for stat incenses in January.
@@Zrego Yeah but you are on Merciless haha, so I imagined it wouldnt be carry over. I cant fathom how many hours of grind you did haha
@@KayXiro I can carry over if I start my NG+ on Hard or lower
@@Zrego But can you then swap up to merciless? I thought you could only play merciless if selected from the start?
@@KayXiro Yeah if I want to carry over, I have to play hard or lower, honestly it's sad but that means I can test one shot Liz in normal mode or lower lmfao
Hello, i've tried to get auto-charged and concentrate on Cup card in shuffle time, but i didn't get it until now. What card is the cup to get Auto Charged and Concentrate? Is it J or Q? Can it be achieve by defeating regular shadow or Reaper only? Great video btw!
thanks in advance!
it's q cup, you can get it by defeating regular shadow, higher chance when you've collected all the major arcanas
You can find it when you get the arcana burst
@@rakarespati5074 ah, i’ve been spending too much time in tartarus just to get that, but yeah. I didn’t get it a single time, but it’s all good, all i wanted to do is to defeat the elizabeth, i still follow like the video told me, but it took longer than 7 turns and its okay. Thank you for letting me know tho!
@@noob-kun7768 yeah, i was in arcana burst but yep, unlucky. But i managed to defeat the elizabeth but took more than 7 turn, but same strategy and same persona like Zrego. Thank you!
@@logicfreax still impressive, it's taking me longer than that and i have to use calculator as well lmao
Love this, how did you manage to get 800+ HP though?
Tarot Card...I think Chariot increases your HP by 8...that's all I can think off...maybe he did new game plus?
100% new game plus. Because you cannot have both armor of light and shoes of light in one walkthrough
@vivissimus is it because of Messiah's item or another reason? If its Messiah's item you can get multiple
@@FriendlyNeighborhoodSayori how?
@@vivissimus Either save Messiah to the compendium right before 99, delete him after getting the item and buying him back, or you can just fuse Messiah again and level it up again to get another item
Chad
2:18 Can u use satan with black viper instead
God's Hand not enough damage on turn 3? It's either fire or akasha arts?
Fire would be optimal, God's Hand crit should still be sufficient for damage, but like Akasha Arts gambling is funnier
@@ZregoWhat a bold move ^^
So enduring soul works for different personas? I always thought enduring soul work only once the moment the perdona uses it, regardless if another persona has it.
I see he use one enduring soul and one endure.
So endure can work regardless if enduring soul was use?
And if so for this strat does it need enduring soul and endure on the same persona?
Are there any other alternatives for saki mitama?
You can use Thanatos or Messiah but be careful as both have drain and reflect
Your best and cheapest option is likely to be Resist Phys Thanatos N’s because he’s at a much higher level and has higher stats that’s less incense cards needed
I've been told that crit rate boost and crit rate amp do not stack, have I been lied to?
yes they don't stack, I didn't know about it at the time of recording this
how do you max out your persona stats to 99?
Incense
@@Jason00765 there is a way to farm gems to get that much of incense?
@@hezlonway100Farm golden hands... 1 hours is over 1 Million yem
5 reaper kills with devil card can net it faster, just need to charge up Theurgia for Armageddon before stalling.
Or just use the mini games (first house on the right of palomnia town) you Can get stat +3 each time
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Anubis. I try to use Siegfried. My Anubis deals more damage. I try to play Junpei. My Anubis deals more damage. I try to play Aigis. My Anubis deals more damage. I want to use Oni. His best team has Anubis. I want to kill Elizabeth - Makoto wants Anubis.
He grabs me by the throat. I grind for him. I fuse for him. I give him Crit Rate Boost. He isn't satisfied. I get Apt Pupil. "I don't need this much crit rate," he tells me. "Give me more stats." He grabs Shinji and forces him to throw himself off the Reaper. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with 99 stats."
I can't play in the arcade, I don't have enough yen. He grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." He grabs Makoto. He says "I am thou, thou art I." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, no elemental weaknesses. What a cruel world.
3:03 i did the same approach but for some reason i didn't survive the 2nd punishment...i wonder why 🤔
You need endure since you already activated enduring soul
Can you share how did you fused those personas? OR else the save file for pc cause i wanna do it but don't wanna grind skill card
How you made 5000 damage with theurgy?
Because i have same setup with sigfried with max Fr stat but i reach only 2500 dmg , or it because isnt at lvl 99?
Charge or get double phys atk up card before fight Elizabeth
you need to max st ma lu
How often did Fuuka give you charge/concentrate from her theurgy?
You can get it more often if the following conditions are met:
- Party HP is not low.
- Party SP is not low.
- The Party is affected by 3 Kaja buffs.
@Zrego meeting all three conditions, how often would you say she gave it to you in your runs? In my experience it's not even 50%
@@ArchipagoLPs I did a ton of reaper beating sessions and I got charge and concentrate from Fuuka like 7/10 times, I always start with 3 auto-ma on the protagonist.
I've had a question for a while. How does he hit 5k Crits on the start while not charged?
Get an auto-charge cup card from shuffle time
How did bro didn't get megidoloan on the 1st turn like me??
So if this works so well on Merciless does that mean it works even better on Normal?
There are some theories that say you can one shot her with scarlet havoc + cendrillon DLC on normal mode. It was proven on peaceful but no one attempted it on normal yet.
Wait you can repel her God's Hand without being punished? Also endure/enduring soul activated twice in the same phase?
The God's Hand repel is indeed punished, shown by the 9999 Megidolaon right after it, this is tanked with Endure (bringing her to below 9999hp so the final phase can be skipped)
Enduring soul is activated for the first Megidolaon when her hp reaches below 13k (2nd phase)
Enduring Soul and Endure procs seperately
The way this skip works is that it abuses the way rule breaking is punished. By repelling her God's Hand, it brings her below 9999hp through her own attack. The Megidolaon punish is immediately brought out without her using Diarahan as well for some reason, and she ends her turn right there allowing the player to use Armageddon to kill her before she heals.
@@castia8421 thank you! I was so confused about this tbh. Might have to try this one out!
she does punish it but its deliberate to trigger the theurgy and end the fight with armageddon
@@castia8421 If you reflect/absorb/null any of her attacks, she gains a 3rd action which uses her insta kill. Afterwards, she spams Diarahan > Megidolaon assuming you survive.
@@castia8421 UPDATE! IT WORKED!! 😃 thank god! Phase 3 takes forever lol 😂
Me walking in lvl 99 with Messiah on peaceful so I can revive no matter what she throws at me: "Come on, how hard can it be? I practically beat the reaper effortlessly"
Very hard is the answer. No sorry I meant absolute horseshit is the answer.
Why do you have single target boost on oni with only a single multi attack
The Multi-Target Boost is meant to work with the Theurgy.
Is fuukas theurgy predetermined? I keep reloading but she keeps giving me heat riser
No there are certain conditions, low sp or hp can trigger regen, high sp or health will mostly be status effects, very rarely she can give you charge and concentrate.
just use charge and heat riser before using her theurgy to get the heal/sp restore
@@rakarespati5074 Fuuka can and will give you charge/concentrate even if you only use one of the two. It's very frustrating during the Elizabeth fight.
@@loserinasuit7880 i feel you, she gives me charge when im at my lowest health and sp as well sometimes
@@rakarespati5074 At least that sets you up for an attack and you can use an item in place of set up. I had her give me regen when I was at full health and still had 300 sp. (Which was half of it so it procced)
You know you have to be an insane weeb to do this fight when damn near every video on this fight has the Japanese va
megidolaon de gozaimasu😊
How do you have so much health im max level and im only at 630 hp
you were not picking the appropriate tartarus major arcanas
2:41 wait, HOW DID YOU CHEAT??
One of the survival abilities
@@MoleBradRy i don't remember Liz beign THIS strict
@@jadebayoba7073 not much has changed aside from her getting pissed at getting countered. And you don’t need shield.
@@jadebayoba7073 I was just using Endure and Enduring Soul
Did I hear a yu gi oh reference?
broh how can u get 850+ HP? mine is 690 at lv 99
Going to tartarus almost every night in January (since I had nothing to do at night), and keep on collecting Major Arcana cards that grant max HP/SP upgrades for the protagonist and the party.
Nice
How tf do you even make these personas 😂😂😂
Skill cards and incenses
How in the world do you even get these skills on all these personas
wait... i'm the only one than got two megiladoan strikes consecutive? (i'm not joking)
either you break her rule or past the deadline on her 2nd phase
you will have to get elizabeth hp to 10k in 3 turns in phase 2 or else she will spam megidolaon
@@rakarespati5074 her rule? or deadline? she just throwed me that thing opening the combat 😭
@@fosterklo7252 did you repel or drain her attack? if so then yeah
@@fosterklo7252 you must have started the fight with the deflect 1 incoming attack buff from the previous battle i presume
Basically persona is card game :)
why didnt you just use armaggedon at start? i played through the whole game but didnt get thru the eliz fight so idk
if you use armageddon and it doesnt kill she spams megidolaon
she has 20,000 hp armageddon only does 9999
@@Hunter-ex2nlnot only that, she will use a full heal after the fact into megidolan so it's best to save it nearing the 3rd phase
she has more than 9999 health. she will insta-kill you if you try to use it before she can be killed by it
if it's that easy no one will post vids like this
If Armageddon is concentratable like trickster than 3 turn Elizabeth will be possible
2 turn kill is possible in peaceful mode with Cendrillon Scarlet Havoc. It may be possible in normal mode as well but I can't confirm for now.
@@Zrego yeah need the shuffle card that grant you auto charge though
It is not. It's a fixed damage move.
trash battle because it requires a walkthrough / guide 100%, there's no way someone is going to figure out when Diaharan starts happening without doing this...then again Armageddon shouldn't exist in this fight either lol