Why Aren't Electric Scooters Legal In London?

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  • čas přidán 15. 07. 2024
  • Electric Scooters have become a common talking point in London this year. They're illegal right? So how come so many people are riding them?
    We sent reporter Harry Rosehill out on the streets of Shoreditch to take an E-scooter for a spin, and to attempt to untangle the whole situation.

Komentáře • 244

  • @tobeytransport2802
    @tobeytransport2802 Před 4 lety +38

    How can they put points on your licence if you don't have one or refuse to show it

    • @koverpy426
      @koverpy426 Před 4 lety +5

      That's the joke, real joke.

    • @picapica8806
      @picapica8806 Před 4 lety +11

      They seize your scooter then they put points on your license so you can't drive your car either, only option is to be a "bus wanker" and wait in the rain for the bus that was supposed to be here an hour ago.

    • @TheLondonCyclist
      @TheLondonCyclist Před 4 lety +5

      @@picapica8806 Unless you have never been arrested before, you can just stay quiet and they can't identify you. They can only keep you over night and let you go.

    • @picapica8806
      @picapica8806 Před 4 lety

      @@TheLondonCyclist czcams.com/video/SO5r53i97eE/video.html

    • @shawng5799
      @shawng5799 Před 4 lety +2

      @@TheLondonCyclist That will be my approach given that the police don't work anymore I will just sit it out. When we told them that my mother-in-law had £15k stolen they didn't want to know they can get F*****

  • @paranoid97_
    @paranoid97_ Před 5 lety +21

    I went to Barcelona a while ago and they have these electric scooters all over place, just as many as bikes.

  • @batman51
    @batman51 Před 5 lety +53

    I would dispute that London is built for cars - it has tried to accommodate them to the great detriment of the safety of pedestrians and the health of residents.

    • @pizzaivlife
      @pizzaivlife Před 5 lety +6

      I mean to be fair wasn't London and most European cities built for carriages?

    • @doktorbimmer
      @doktorbimmer Před 5 lety +3

      *London was not built for cars... or stupid scooters*

    • @batman51
      @batman51 Před 5 lety +2

      @@pizzaivlife No, I don't think so. The concept of everyone except a few rich people doing anything other than walking was not considered. The street pattern of the City at least goes back to the Middle Ages (or even Romans) and, for example, council estates built in the 1920/30s have no garages and typically narrow roads - no thought has ever been given to modern road traffic. Except in LA I suppose and look how successful that's been.

    • @davechurch7945
      @davechurch7945 Před 5 lety

      I would argue that for the last 20 years the vast majority of road projects have been designed to reduce the road space for cars, bus lanes, congestion charging, cycle paths, pedestrianisation etc. Despite perceived increases in traffic what has actually happened is that road space has been reduced and vehicle use in the city has halved in the last ten years

    • @hairyairey
      @hairyairey Před 4 lety

      Roads were initially built for bicycles. After the horse as a means of transport came the train and then the bicycle. Last to the party was the car.

  • @newcastlegeorge
    @newcastlegeorge Před 5 lety +33

    London wasn't designed for cars first and foremost, it was designed for horse and cart

    • @jmunday7811
      @jmunday7811 Před 4 lety +5

      *designed for foot travel
      Only the rich could travel by cart everyday

  • @tonys1636
    @tonys1636 Před 5 lety +41

    Legalising would be OK if like a bicycle it would be illegal to ride them on a footpath or in a pedestrian only area. Like a bicycle have lights fitted and a bell along with a speed restriction of, say, 15-20 MPH.

    • @GreatSageSunWukong
      @GreatSageSunWukong Před 5 lety +7

      Tony S but bikes are on footpaths and pavements all the time I've never seen a policeman enforce that law, and I've been nearly hit by cyclists several times on blind corners with hedgerows blocking your view around and also at the entrance and exit to the subway, they always scream at you its your fault and call you names and I always scream back to learn the highway code as they shouldn't even be there and certainly shouldn't be speeding along, on shared paths they are only legally allowed to go at a pedestrian pace and pedestrians have right of way, but they just bomb straight off the road and straight down the subway asfast they can without a care in the world for the people walking up and down the stairs.

    • @tonys1636
      @tonys1636 Před 5 lety

      @@GreatSageSunWukong Maybe not in London anymore, but in a small rural town the local Bobby would give one a Caution and if a repeat offender would report for possible prosecution for Dangerous Cycling.

    • @KeithGadget
      @KeithGadget Před 5 lety +4

      Tony S the transport secretary has said it is now OK to cycle on the pathway, due to how dangerous it is to cycle on the roads. This is why police do not enforce it anymore and soon it will be decriminalised.

    • @tonys1636
      @tonys1636 Před 5 lety +2

      @@KeithGadget Then who ever it was is an ass, the definition is in the name, Footpath, and He or She should have made it easier for Councils to install Cycle Ways and stump up some of the cash. Speed limits should also be reduced in Towns and Villages, after all we have been riding, walking and cycling a lot longer than driving.

    • @KeithGadget
      @KeithGadget Před 5 lety +3

      Tony S I think it was due to the number of cyclists deaths. Also consider we cannot have dedicated cycle paths in all roads, across the whole country.
      There are roads around where I live that have 30mph speed limits, yet regularly you see motors travelling along at 40-50 mph. Not safe due to other road users. Many times I’ve see busy roads that I’d rather see kids cycling to school safely on the pathway than the roads

  • @chello70
    @chello70 Před 4 lety +7

    This is the one law I don’t intent to obey!!! And try to take my scooter from me, just try 😂

  • @CutePuppy351
    @CutePuppy351 Před 4 lety +15

    Here's my reasoning behind e-scooters being illegal; the government wants the tax off of mopeds and cars, they can't afford to give us easy or cheap transportation from our own means and ways from something as simple as a scooter. Either that or they're scared to death of anything without a license plate.
    I ride a motorised bicycle in the UK, and I don't cause any problems. Nevermind a scooter. Pissed me off when on the bus I saw the paper, "E-SCOOTER CRACKDOWN; KEEP THEM OFF THE ROADS"
    ok, so where do I stand? I'm well and truly screwed if scooters are banned. UK is rubbish in terms of rules. You need a permit to wipe your bum here. It's just baby proofing. Do people die (as with every vehicle) or is it cheap, easy transport? *Illegal!* "We don't want them on the roads!"
    If you ride any type of thing such as a scooter, please also set an example and don't be a moron. There are good people out there, be courteous. Not all are dummies who get themselves killed. I use my bike for transport, I don't rev at every passerby and I even turn the engine off for horses or children.
    I've not watched the video but I might give it a watch later on, those are just my thoughts about the ridiculous rules and the stigma it's given people.
    "All people on scooters or motors are in the ghetto because UK law"

    • @picapica8806
      @picapica8806 Před 4 lety +1

      Its just silly "bus wanker" propaganda, tailored for the people who use public transport

    • @chizoioioi
      @chizoioioi Před 4 lety +1

      I think your government is just really, really, slow getting anything done, especially if it means little profit. E-scooters are only illegal because of some archaic law thats taking forever to change. Change will come just keep pushing for it

  • @errrick
    @errrick Před 4 lety +6

    I have been bringing my electric unicycle to London from Paris since 2015, and only this year I realized they were illegal, as I was surprised to not see any scooter sharing company (when they invaded everywhere else in Europe)... anyway, not a single time I have been stopped by the police even though I rode right past them multiple times (again I had no idea it was illegal so I wasn't even trying to hide from them). People looked at me strangely but no one ever said anything, people didn't care. This prohibition is so fucking stupid, I hope it changes soon.

  • @JoshTumath
    @JoshTumath Před 5 lety +28

    I use a non-electric kick scooter, which seems to sit in a more ambiguous area of the law.

    • @picapica8806
      @picapica8806 Před 4 lety +1

      how do you tackle hills with one? and 10 miles of gravel constantly slowing you down needing energy constanly kicked back in?

    • @JoshTumath
      @JoshTumath Před 4 lety

      @@picapica8806 There aren't any large hills on my commute. And it's actually a mile of brick paving slowing me down. It's a good workout.

    • @picapica8806
      @picapica8806 Před 4 lety

      @@JoshTumath Well lucky you because for me its 10 miles of offroad gravel, and 2 miles of road hills, so my round trip commute is 25miles,16miles are added if i skip the offroad gravel and stick to road only, how long is your total commute again?

    • @pps076reviews2
      @pps076reviews2 Před 4 lety

      Are non electric kick scooters legal on UK roads? I want a foldable one to tackle downhill roads that’s not too heavy to carry

    • @JoshTumath
      @JoshTumath Před 4 lety

      @@pps076reviews2 From what I understand, you're classed like a pedestrian. I stick to the pavement except in places where there is no pavement and you have to go on the road anyway. But you have no lights, so it's generally not safe.

  • @grandadgamer8390
    @grandadgamer8390 Před 5 lety +22

    Once they can work out a way to tax them, legalisation will follow 😅

    • @unknowndomain
      @unknowndomain Před 5 lety +4

      Except that won't happen because neither cyclists nor electric cars are taxed so the idea of taxing a scooter is stupid,

    • @grandadgamer8390
      @grandadgamer8390 Před 5 lety +1

      @@unknowndomain The tax threshold for small petrol cars has been scrapped, same as "e" ratings. When enough people adopt electric, watch this space ☺

    • @CrazyPanda688
      @CrazyPanda688 Před 5 lety +2

      Tom wait until enough people own electric cars. They’ll tax you for owning them somehow
      Probably some dumb shit like “tyre wear tax”

    • @taygadesign
      @taygadesign Před 4 lety

      @@CrazyPanda688 I mean, the UK at one point taxed people based on how many windows their house had....

    • @yourplanetmyplanet8155
      @yourplanetmyplanet8155 Před 4 lety

      Scooter hire companies will pay tax.
      (they shouldn't because its green..)
      And super efficient.
      7 solar panels generate 1000 kwh a year. Enough to go 30,000 miles on these..

  • @TheDarkVictini
    @TheDarkVictini Před 3 lety +3

    Spain & Portugal: Go have fun. E scooters are efficient and all.
    UK: Fun?! Efficiency?! Whats that!?

  • @Alpokinzi
    @Alpokinzi Před 3 lety +3

    Whys UK always gotta be the complicated one

  • @NextSound170
    @NextSound170 Před 5 lety +7

    Yep and many of my peeps have moved from London, too much can't do this or cant do that

  • @FarlandHowe
    @FarlandHowe Před 5 lety +8

    Denver Colorado has 1,000s of them. You rent them from the scooter itself which has GPS and a card reader. If you see one that is not being used just put your card in and drive off. Leave it wherever when you’re done with it. They are collected at night, charged up and then re-deployed for the next day. There are two competing companies providing them. It is the number one way to get around the city.

  • @Alpokinzi
    @Alpokinzi Před 3 lety +1

    What if a kid with no licence gets pulled over by the police 😂😂😂

  • @jamesdavison1786
    @jamesdavison1786 Před 5 lety +3

    These are basically the legal highs of vehicles

  • @jonistan9268
    @jonistan9268 Před 5 lety +3

    In my city, people operate them like regular scooters (on the sidewalk) and they severely endanger others there because they go way too fast. I think they should be banned here until there are laws in place that say where you can and cannot use one.

  • @marcels9111
    @marcels9111 Před 4 lety +3

    I still ride it lmao i see many evryday

  • @buzzukfiftythree
    @buzzukfiftythree Před 5 lety +25

    I don't have an e-scooter but, frankly, I'd much rather see cars banned from Central London than the scooters as they are much more of a hazard. Of course there would need to be exemptions for those who need to have a car (disability etc.) but when I see executives and rich kids driving into, out of and around London on a daily basis in their diesel and performance cars, it makes my blood boil - they don't seem to give a damn about environmental issues. West London in August when rich Arabs and their children drive around in their diamond studded Lamborghinis etc. is almost a no-go area. Sorry if I appear racist, I'm not, it just happens to be mainly Arab youths on the roads around Kensington and Chelsea. Agreed, there need to be rules on the use of e-scooters, just as there are rules and insurance requirements for motor-cycles and the manner in which they're ridden, but a blanket ban is just ridiculous. Some cycle couriers I've seen cycling around town are far more dangerous, as are some HGV and commercial vehicle drivers. Some joined up thinking and strategic planning is needed, rather than a knee-jerk response to a few accidents.

    • @hellothere4599
      @hellothere4599 Před 4 lety +1

      i Agree

    • @ron1martens
      @ron1martens Před 4 lety

      buzzukfiftythree
      I agree also.

    • @falcodarkzz
      @falcodarkzz Před 4 lety +1

      The awful thing is it's scientifically proven that the pollution from vehicles is killing us. The WHO estimate 3 million deaths annually, in the UK around 50,000, because of car pollution.
      It's tragic that our cities are like this and we raise children here.

    • @ron1martens
      @ron1martens Před 4 lety

      Zeb when you consider they had electric vehicles in the 1800s. My grandmother rode an electric bike in 1920.
      Some very influential people pushed the oil industry and in fact made all the scientists call it fossil fuel that way its believed to be a limited resource with premium rates placed on it. Oil naturally replenish.

    • @falcodarkzz
      @falcodarkzz Před 4 lety

      @@ron1martens Yes EVs are not new! I agree, it is likely greed that put us in this awful scenario. Unforgivable, combustion engines will be looked back on with disgust, just like slavery.

  • @thisisstuart7951
    @thisisstuart7951 Před 5 lety +9

    if they had a seat, indicaters and break lights and a number plate it be legal

    • @brianharris7243
      @brianharris7243 Před 5 lety +2

      and tax and insurance.

    • @MelodeonTunes
      @MelodeonTunes Před 5 lety

      Ans Tax (albeit probably zero rated) and more importantly insurance, plus compulsory helmets

    • @IgWannA2
      @IgWannA2 Před 5 lety +2

      So, a motorbike then

    • @thisisstuart7951
      @thisisstuart7951 Před 5 lety

      @@IgWannA2 i saw a e-scooter for £900 in a former hobby shop i check what be on the insurance and i was quoted not much as a weekly shop in lidil

    • @thisisstuart7951
      @thisisstuart7951 Před 5 lety

      @@MelodeonTunes it is 0 tax paid

  • @Onuraw
    @Onuraw Před 3 lety

    A year on and with Covid and all you hear on trains is "Please use use other modes of transport where possible" at the same time they don't legalise e-scooters.

  • @ryanvalentine8672
    @ryanvalentine8672 Před 4 lety +1

    I just wish they would make it illegal to smoke cigarettes every 50 feet as you walk in London. It is overwhelmingly gross.

  • @franciscomartins7463
    @franciscomartins7463 Před 4 lety

    In England the accidents are only whith electric scooters?

  • @swift9431
    @swift9431 Před 4 lety +2

    Government looking at the laws well see how long that takes then guess I'll be 60 time that's sorted then.

  • @ChevronTango
    @ChevronTango Před 5 lety +17

    Urm... not to point out the obvious or anything, but you didn't actually explain why they were illegal, just that they were.

    • @underwaterdick
      @underwaterdick Před 5 lety +4

      I agree that this would have been good information.
      It is because an electric bike, scooter or hoverboard is classed as a motorised vehicle.
      These are banned on the pavement under UK law, and require insurance, tax and MOT on the road.
      Electric assistance bikes are allowed provided that they offer assistance only and are not fully powered by the battery. (Below a certain speed, I can't remember the number, which is why a Sinclair C5 can be legal to use but a Segway illegal)

    • @michaelXXLF
      @michaelXXLF Před 5 lety +3

      They simply have not yet been made legal. They are new and they do not fall in any of the existing categories.

    • @TheRival
      @TheRival Před 4 lety

      He said that people died on them GOD don't you listen or do you need a direct sentence that people died?
      He literally said the reason at 0:20

    • @underwaterdick
      @underwaterdick Před 4 lety +3

      @@TheRival no, he doesn't. He just says that accidents have "put into focus" that they are not Legal on London's Streets.
      Cars are legal and they kill lots of people.
      In some places majority gun ownership is legal but we all know that they have mass shootings because of this.
      You comment makes little sense

    • @olitesla5891
      @olitesla5891 Před 4 lety

      Bruh he did

  • @heathcliff1096
    @heathcliff1096 Před 4 lety +2

    Paris has lots of them and it is a nightmare not to mention all the accidents happening ! London, stay away from this pollution !

    • @errrick
      @errrick Před 4 lety

      so having cars everywhere is a much better option right ? I agree people need to be better educated on scooter use and parking, but that's not a reason to not allow them.

  • @pyeltd.5457
    @pyeltd.5457 Před 4 lety

    Everyone should be riding the Boris Bus

  • @rageshk7828
    @rageshk7828 Před 5 lety +6

    I can't even ride a bike

  • @whysa4
    @whysa4 Před 4 lety +1

    The rules are behind the times, I can't see that these can be any more dangerous than a pedal bike.

    • @TheRival
      @TheRival Před 4 lety +1

      People on bikes can literally go faster than E scooters...
      I mean ffs, people can go up to 30km/h on bikes and the scooter only can go 25km/h

    • @picapica8806
      @picapica8806 Před 4 lety

      @@TheRival Only because in most EU countries the limit is 25km/h so thats how they are sold, you can modify the firmware to increase top speed to 35km/h if you want but you would definately attract unwanted attention at that speed (ebikes are the same aswell and restricted to 25km/h too) and only down hill you go faster on a bike, unless you are a racer or need to rag it (most ammature commuter cyclists max speed on flat is 15-20mph so why are you moaning?)

  • @memelyjj8049
    @memelyjj8049 Před 3 lety

    Are u allowed to ride them in parks ?

  • @hairyairey
    @hairyairey Před 5 lety +1

    Cycling on pavements is also illegal but guidelines are not to take action unless pedestrians are put at risk. Similarly the only wheeled object allowed on the pavement is an invalid carriages. So buggies etc are illegal too. Problem with electric scooters is the lack of two braking systems.

    • @KeithGadget
      @KeithGadget Před 4 lety

      John Airey this is old incorrect info (technically). The Minister of Transport stopped the police enforcing this as the Government feels it is OK for cyclists to cycle on the pathways for safety reasons, if the cyclists give priority to pedestrians. It is on trial with a view to decriminalise it.

    • @hairyairey
      @hairyairey Před 4 lety

      @@KeithGadget The following has been the guidance to the Police for over five years:
      "The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the traffic, and who show consideration to other pavement users.
      Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road. Sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required."

    • @KeithGadget
      @KeithGadget Před 4 lety

      John Airey over 5 years is old news. The Minister of Transport guidance is less than 2 years old.

    • @hairyairey
      @hairyairey Před 4 lety

      @@KeithGadget Police guidance has not changed. Here's an example - www.standard.co.uk/news/london/we-wont-punish-cyclists-for-riding-on-londons-pavements-say-police-a3444631.html

    • @KeithGadget
      @KeithGadget Před 4 lety

      John Airey www.google.co.uk/amp/s/road.cc/content/news/108119-transport-minister-responsible-cyclists-can-ride-pavement%3famp
      www.cyclinguk.org/news/goodwill-reiterates-footway-cycling-guidance

  • @Seecret
    @Seecret Před 4 lety

    I hope these laws will reflect to the electric skateboards as well

  • @Alpokinzi
    @Alpokinzi Před 3 lety

    What if you used on pavement at a steady pace????

  • @jasoncolman8022
    @jasoncolman8022 Před 3 lety

    If you want to use a powered vehicle on the road be prepared for everything that comes with it...vehicle registration, insurance, tax and a yearly safety check( m.o.t ) . All this is taken care of by renting a scooter. Anyone considering using the "ebikes don't need all that" argument must remember that only power assisted ebikes are legal. This means the motor cuts out if you stop pedalling..it is only there to assist the rider and will cut out at 25kph no matter what.

  • @shinvelcro
    @shinvelcro Před 4 lety

    What about electric longboards? Do they fall in to the same laws as the scooters?

  • @ppower08081968
    @ppower08081968 Před 5 lety +31

    Never a thought for pedestrians who have to dodge aggressive cyclists around London on a daily basis

    • @metropod
      @metropod Před 5 lety +3

      John Callan amen! (Signed: New Yorker with the exact same problem)

    • @KeithGadget
      @KeithGadget Před 5 lety +2

      John Callan you are missing the point. Cyclists are road legal, powered scooters are illegal. As illegal as a non-licensed, uninsured car.

    • @ppower08081968
      @ppower08081968 Před 5 lety +2

      @@KeithGadget Alcohol is legal; doesn't make it a good thing; after 3 years of living in London I'm in a position to say cyclists are a pain legal or not

    • @LuxFerre4242
      @LuxFerre4242 Před 5 lety +2

      @@KeithGadget Yes, *road* legal. Not pavement legal where they frequently are anyway and get angry at pedestrians in their way.

    • @simontay4851
      @simontay4851 Před 5 lety +1

      @@KeithGadget But a fit cyclist can reach higher speed and cause more injury/damage if they hit someone/something than one of these little scooters.
      These little scooters don't have much power.

  • @weizhongxianfumariobeans7788

    But they're legal in other england cities

  • @nativespeakerenglishteache2067

    The auto-industry owns transportation and will use all it's clout against electric scooters- and electric vehicles in general. Why are there no swappable battery changing machines at gas stations? This is collusion.

  • @mark-nm4tc
    @mark-nm4tc Před 4 lety

    Not just London, they are simply not street legal anywhere in the UK (except private land). Wheels can't cope with potholes (fatalaties & very nasty accidents), hazard to the blind/partially sighted on pavements. Hopefully this fad will go the same way as the Sinclair C5 & Segway.
    I get about on a carbon -neutral all-terrain vehicle which is advanced enough to use living biology as the propulsion unit, no petrol, no charging, suspension system makes potholes easy to deal with....its commonly known as a bicycle :).

  • @IgWannA2
    @IgWannA2 Před 5 lety +3

    The problem is lack of regulation and the government is far too slow to react to innovation. Bicycles are regulated to require functioning front and rear brakes (most scooters are rear only) and have to be sold with a bell and reflectors. It seems inevitable e-scooters will be legalised as they're only slightly more dangerous than bicycles, plus the government should be encouraging alternative, cleaner, less congesting modes of transport.

  • @ExplorewithSvetlin
    @ExplorewithSvetlin Před 3 lety

    Yea right. Make cooking knives illegal, because they are dangerous...

  • @richardmunslow7623
    @richardmunslow7623 Před 4 lety +3

    The trouble is the riders, like a lot of cyclists, some people have no self preservation, if I am on my bike and I think that the junction is high risk then I get off and walk across. Like driving a car, you need to drive at the appropriate speed for the situation, be aware of what's around you and drive/ride defensively. Take it easy out there and be safe.

  • @michellea9857
    @michellea9857 Před 11 měsíci

    People who drive on ‘pavements’ on ‘e scooters’ need to examine their conscience.

  • @yourplanetmyplanet8155

    Sort it out Boris.. I messaged you about this before you came into power..
    Just make it that you're not allowed to turn right.. Instead you stop.
    Cross and then continue on ur journey..

  • @johnstilljohn3181
    @johnstilljohn3181 Před 5 lety

    Surely, they are simply a motorcycle...?Motor in a cycle...

    • @jamesbutler6253
      @jamesbutler6253 Před 4 lety

      No, MC definition is over 50cc and you sit on it. Neither of those apply.

    • @johnstilljohn3181
      @johnstilljohn3181 Před 4 lety

      But, it's still a bicycle with a motor fitted. Sitting or standing is irrelevant...

    • @jamesbutler6253
      @jamesbutler6253 Před 4 lety

      @@johnstilljohn3181 Of course it's not irrelevant and nor is it a bicycle. A motorized skateboard is not a bicycle nor is it a MC.

    • @johnstilljohn3181
      @johnstilljohn3181 Před 4 lety

      The scooter, however, is still a bicycle with a motor fitted...

  • @MichelPWeber
    @MichelPWeber Před 5 lety +3

    Doesn't burn fossil fuels? Not directly - unless they are being charged by only solar panels.

    • @davechurch7945
      @davechurch7945 Před 5 lety

      Mike Weber that’s true of all electricity, and there are other non fossil fuel generating options

  • @rickysmyth
    @rickysmyth Před 2 lety

    The law is flawed. Technically you can get disqualified for simply riding one of these at 5mph (6 points and if you have some already) yet not be if you cause death by dangerous driving (11) depending on the judge

  • @deon121
    @deon121 Před 3 lety

    Are electric scooters alowed for 11 year old?

  • @noaharazi1329
    @noaharazi1329 Před 5 lety +2

    They say that the scooters are illegal while showing themselves riding on scooters the whole video

  • @trikkinikki13
    @trikkinikki13 Před 5 lety +1

    I don't like them. I nearly got knocked over by one of those things. It was going at quite a high speed as well. The scary thing was that they have no engine noise so I had no warning that it was oncoming. If it is made legal they have to include legislation that they hold some legal responsibility for accidents.

    • @davechurch7945
      @davechurch7945 Před 5 lety

      I got knocked flying by a jogger the other day, while walking outside the Festival Hall on the Southbank. It’s not what it is just the brain controlling it that needs regulation

    • @jmunday7811
      @jmunday7811 Před 4 lety +2

      i AlMoSt GoT hIt By A cAr ThAt WoUlD'vE kIlLeD mE, lEt'S bAn AlL cArS!

    • @chizoioioi
      @chizoioioi Před 4 lety

      So many people “nearly” get hit, but you didn’t get hit because the rider saw you. Watch where you are walking and you wont get hit.

    • @trikkinikki13
      @trikkinikki13 Před 4 lety +1

      @@chizoioioi you are making so many assumptions. I was crossing a road, as I have the right to do as a pedestrian. I looked to my RIGHT, as a pedestrian DOES before crossing. He was whizzing down the road WITH A SOUNDLESS MOTOR in my path. I was looking. He was careless.

  • @common_c3nts
    @common_c3nts Před 3 lety

    It would be incredibility stupid to ban electric scooters. They alleviate so many traffic problems and are perfectly safe to use on sidewalks around people as they can easily navigate around people and objects.

  • @reeferexplained8846
    @reeferexplained8846 Před 4 lety

    The speed should be at least 25mph on scooter, this is to keep up with the rate of cars especially around london. You need the acceleration to avoid cars and other users to quickly get ahead and then move to the side of the road. 15mph is a joke. Cyclists can hit 25mph easily, further more they say electric scooters can hit 30mph this isn't correct. Most scooters lime, bird, boosted, and popular Xiaomi m365 top speed of 15mph. In fact I would say they are very safe here is why, they have lights, usually a mechanical break, foot break, Psi pressure tyres. Also most people are wearing helmets, wrist guards, gloves which is more than the average cyclist. Make them legal get people out of there 4x4 vechiles and help carbon foot print.

  • @mozcab
    @mozcab Před 4 lety +2

    Littered is exactly the right word! We have scooters for hire in Gothenburg and they seem to be dumped anywhere and everywhere in the city centre. More importantly they're bloody dangerous! You really have to have to have your wits about you when walking in some areas. They use the cycle lanes which are shared with pedestrians and you have to be ready to jump out of the way when they can be coming at you from all angles. Fair enough that they're the future and all that, but when they're used by reckless idiots accidents are always going to happen.

  • @Loo0Lzz
    @Loo0Lzz Před 5 lety +13

    Rental electric scooters are worse for the environment than taking the bus, since the lifespan of the scooter is hilariously short.

  • @kennethmetcalfe5300
    @kennethmetcalfe5300 Před 3 lety

    Are they going to be taxed and have insurance, they are like the stupid bike rider, no insurance, doing what they like on the road, going through red lights, are they going to have training etc etc etc 🤬🤬🤬

  • @Tony-Blake
    @Tony-Blake Před 5 lety +1

    Narrow profile? Mount a brightly-colored, lightweight rain-canopy over the rider = greater visibility and essential British-weather protection.

    • @simontay4851
      @simontay4851 Před 5 lety

      If they're too narrow, that means car drivers aren't paying attention and would still hit a pedestrian anyway even when he's not riding a scooter.

    • @Tony-Blake
      @Tony-Blake Před 5 lety

      @@simontay4851 Drivers expect pedestrians to be on the pavement, not the road. They expect cars and trucks to be on the road. Have you ever piloted a plane? They are big, and surprisingly difficult to see when they are coming almost straight at you. Hence, mid-air collisions, particularly between high-wing and low-wing models.

  • @icetea3647
    @icetea3647 Před 5 lety +2

    Allow private scooters for all those that want to risk their lives. But don't let the sharing economy put even more litter on London streets. Check how bad the situation in other scooter cities has become (Paris, Berlin, San Francisco)
    And to the eco friendliness of these things:
    - how much energy is being needed to produce them
    - where are they produced (China?)
    - how long is their life-span (on average 28days?!)
    - collecting them by car at night and charging at home by some poor souls for less than living wage (!!!)
    - are they really replacing cars or would you have cycled or walked the same way before?!?

  • @simonstergaard
    @simonstergaard Před 4 lety

    Forget those useless fast-money scooters

  • @DavidJones-jx8qs
    @DavidJones-jx8qs Před 4 lety

    UK PUBLIC WANT E SCOOTERS LEGAL IN THE UK SAP .

  • @jayvonwebb4864
    @jayvonwebb4864 Před 4 lety +2

    But I see so many people using them ??
    People really don't give a shit about getting caught by the police and I love that

  • @michaelsteirn4454
    @michaelsteirn4454 Před 3 lety

    Isn’t it a bit hypocritical when you hire but not ride them private. The law is a mess!

    • @iamrocketray
      @iamrocketray Před 3 lety

      Money talks! the scooter hire companies are lobbying parliament(paying back handers)

  • @Rattlesnake7501
    @Rattlesnake7501 Před 4 lety

    Not being funny but the Santander bikes are more dangerous than the scooters

  • @HakanKoseoglu
    @HakanKoseoglu Před 5 lety +2

    We can't live with laws designed for 100 years before. We should let people innovate and find new methods of moving around w/o such lengthy procedures.

    • @hairyairey
      @hairyairey Před 4 lety

      The Offences against the Persons Act is well over 100 years old and not out of date. If an electric scooter is unsafe then they shouldn't be legal.

  • @Max-lv9xx
    @Max-lv9xx Před 5 lety +8

    What was the point of this video?

    • @flibblesan
      @flibblesan Před 5 lety +1

      What was the point of your comment?

    • @Max-lv9xx
      @Max-lv9xx Před 5 lety +1

      I seek any information out there about electric scooters and legal aspect of this matter because I own scooter and commute to work every day. Absolutely agree, my comment was useless as this video.

  • @tempestosfugi9846
    @tempestosfugi9846 Před 4 lety +1

    E-scooters ARE NOT environmentally-friendly. They last for about a few months and then they have to be replaced. Bikes are defenitely a better solution.

    • @marcels9111
      @marcels9111 Před 4 lety

      I have mine for 2 years y u lies

    • @tempestosfugi9846
      @tempestosfugi9846 Před 4 lety +1

      @@marcels9111 No, I am not lying. You misunderstood me. I mean the e-scooters that are used by multiple people through a sharing system, not the e-scooter of individuals

  • @Leoleo-dz2xs
    @Leoleo-dz2xs Před 5 lety +4

    As they are a pain in the bum, users generally have a total disregard for pedestrians and they pay no road rax,
    Enough said

    • @KeithGadget
      @KeithGadget Před 5 lety +3

      Leo leo “Road Tax” was abolished in the 1930’s. You mean vehicle excise license which is on emissions, which not every road user pays.
      We all pay tax for the roads, even the little old lady that’s never driven.

    • @Leoleo-dz2xs
      @Leoleo-dz2xs Před 5 lety

      @@KeithGadget
      Very informative but I think your missing the point, no doubt we have a cyclist on our hands here ladies and gentlemen😂😂

    • @KeithGadget
      @KeithGadget Před 5 lety +2

      Leo leo wrong again. I’ve not cycled in many years. Nice try but no cigar.
      I’m just weary of some motorists thinking they have any higher right than any other road users and misquoting something called “road tax”.
      We all share the roads. We must also consider that roads were originally paved by the Victorians; for cyclist not motorists (admittedly as cars did not exist back then) 😂😂

    • @alanj9391
      @alanj9391 Před 4 lety

      @@KeithGadget Vehicle Excise Duty is now based on the new price of the vehicle, not emissions.

    • @KeithGadget
      @KeithGadget Před 4 lety

      Alan J yet many new vehicles are still exempt.
      Bottom line, it’s not “Road Tax”

  • @mikkosha
    @mikkosha Před 5 lety +5

    I’m just annoyed by those scooters. In Germany it’s legal to ride them on the bicycle path but I need to come across a scooter rider who realises that he should share the path with cyclists. So far they’ve ridden their scooters right in the middle leaving no room for a bicycle to pass in either direction.
    Or they park the scooters right across the bicycle paths. Or stand there chatting with their friends.
    Another thing is their inherent instability when going forwards which makes it hard to predict their behaviour which is very annoying when you approach them at 40+ km/h...

    • @errrick
      @errrick Před 4 lety +1

      that's not a scooter problem, it's a people problem. educate people, don't ban scooters.

    • @mikkosha
      @mikkosha Před 4 lety

      @@errrick Did I ask for a ban on scooters? One scooter problem is the inherent instability that makes people ride in the middle of the bike paths and lanes. Would they feature a more confidence inspiring geometry (bigger wheels (more inertia), a lower headset angle and a longer wheelbase) they would be a lot more stable and enable the rider to stick to one side of the bicycle path instead of wobbling along.
      This and the tendency for the scooter riders to not pay attention to what is happening around them is not a good combination.
      I have to confess that implementing these changes in the scooters geometry would make them less fun because the instability is perceived as quickness and adept handling (which is both untrue as they are painfully slow).

    • @mikkosha
      @mikkosha Před 4 lety

      @@errrick so in my opinion the problem is both the platform and the user.

  • @minghonglim9255
    @minghonglim9255 Před 4 lety

    Hi Londonist from Singapore, If you come to Singapore and you are using Electric Scooter Or Electric Bicycle you will NEED all this things in Singapore to be legal,
    1) The Person Need To Be 16 Yearss Old Or Older And Not Younger To Ride A Electric Scooter Or Electric Bicycle Called Personal Mobility Device (PMD) For Shot,
    2) A Bicycle Bell On Elrctric Scooter And Electric Bicycle Is Needed To Alert Nearby People,
    3) All Electer Scooter And Electric Bicycle User NEED To Go Throw Safety Training On How To Ride The Electric Scooter Or Electric Bicycle Saftely,
    4) Have To Be Under 20KG And Not More,
    5) Have To Be Under 25KM/H And Not Over 25KM/H On All Shard Paths, Cycling Paths And Park Connector Network (PCN) for short,
    6) Have To Wear Helmet, Elbow Pads And Knee Pad On Electric Scooter And Electric Bicycle At All Times,
    7) Lights On The Front And Back Is Needed,
    8) Morderfiedle Electric Scooter And Electric Bicycle Is Not Allowed In Singapore,
    9) Must Be Less Than 70 Centimeter In Width,
    10) No Ridding Electric Scooter And Electric Bicycle In All Singapore Housing Development Board (HDB) Void Decks And Common Corridors And In School Zone Area, That Means That You Have To Dismount And Push Your Electric Scooter And Electric Bicycle,
    11) No Ridding Electric Scooter And Electric Bicycle On All Footpaths From 05/11/2019 And On All Singapore Roads, But Ridding On Cycling Phaths And Shard Paths Is Allowed,
    12) Singapore Land Transport Authority (LTA) Number Plate Is Needed At The Front And The Back Or On The Side,
    13) You Will Need To Used UL2272 Certified Battery On Your Electric Scooter And Electric Bicycle To Be Legal In Singapore.
    And in Singapore a lot of Food Delivery is now using Electric Scooter And Electric Bicycle to do Food Delivery, like Deliveroo, GrabFood and Food Panda to people in Singapore and Singapore don't have Uber Taxi and Uber Eats any more. And in Singapore Electric Scooter And Electric Bicycle is not Classified as Hoverboards, In Singapore Electric Scooter And Electric Bicycle is called Personal Mobility Device (PMD) for shot.

  • @TheRedPython
    @TheRedPython Před 5 lety +12

    By all means change the law. But right now it is illegal and you have just published a video of you knowingly breaking the law. Are you advocating people breaking laws?

    • @hairyairey
      @hairyairey Před 4 lety

      Good point. Wouldn't surprise me if the Met asked them to take the video down.

  • @fazer12779
    @fazer12779 Před 5 lety +3

    You can’t stop the future, scooters etc are green-clean-quiet. They are popular across the world as there is an obvious demand. Don’t stop for police, just duck down a side street or through a park if needed.

    • @hairyairey
      @hairyairey Před 4 lety

      That's another offence under the Road Traffic Act. Will make for a good charge sheet. Why not advise people to punch the Police while you're at it? I mean it's not like that's an offence either is it?

  • @discogareth
    @discogareth Před 5 lety +3

    I’ve just got back from Stockholm. Since my last visit a year ago, Lime scooters have overtaken the city, there are thousands of them. They are definitely the new way of live over there!

  • @Paul_Harper
    @Paul_Harper Před 5 lety +17

    They're an absolute menace. Bird have been "trialing" their scooters on the Olympic Park for many months now and they're speeding around the place utterly out of control. It won't be long before a child, thinking they are safe in a park, gets run over and killed by one of these things. No helmets, no speed restrictions and very little control over the age of the rider, they're a danger to everyone nearby. Ban them totally.

    • @EverythingWill
      @EverythingWill Před 5 lety +3

      I travel across my city everyday on them. I wear a smart helmet with indicator lights. Travel at the same speed as a bike and only go on roads or down a cycle path. I travel faster than most bikes so they aren't all stuck behind me. Never had a problem and I would never use it in somewhere like the Olympic park due to the children playing around

    • @berkshiredashcam6019
      @berkshiredashcam6019 Před 5 lety +4

      I totally disagree. The bird scooters are speed restricted to 15mph, which is the same as any bike would do, so 'speeding around the place utterly out of control' is a bit over an over-reaction...
      They are great for the environment, cut congestion and are great fun! I agree that they should be speed restricted, but the UK relying on a 1800's law is holding us back. They are legal in so many countries around the world and the UK is falling behind in terms of our emissions targets

    • @arturturkevych3816
      @arturturkevych3816 Před 5 lety

      @@berkshiredashcam6019 they should be legal, but I think that cyclists and scooter users should know the laws of the road and have some sort of a licence to operate the thing. Cyclists who has no idea what they're doing in London could be very dangerous to themselves and others. To drive a car, you need to pass the driving test, have insurance and if you break the rules frequently, you'd get points on your licence and lose it. Irresponsible cyclists are a constant nuisance and danger to the society with no accountability.

    • @hellothere4599
      @hellothere4599 Před 4 lety +1

      Yet they are far less dangerous than cars and moterbikes which kill people everyday and they are not banned. The True menace in our society is that our towns and cities are designed to support cars , cars are a blight on all of us . They are dangerous , make us breath dirty air and take up way too much space in our citys. Imagine how much more space we would hjave in london if the millions of cars was gone. Imagine how much more green cleaner and quiter london would be if cyclists and escooters used the roads instead of cars buses and noisy moterbikes.

    • @pyeltd.5457
      @pyeltd.5457 Před 4 lety

      Everyone should be riding the Boris Bus

  • @Thomas_Ekstrom
    @Thomas_Ekstrom Před 5 lety

    Those electronic scooters for rent has a lifespan of 5-6 weeks and theirs batteries are a hazard for the environment. Where i live they are allowed, and laying in piles on the sidewalks a become a great risk for those who are blind. You should be glad if you can avoid those scooters. But i hope they aprove the infrastructure for cyclist.

    • @MaartenOtto
      @MaartenOtto Před 5 lety

      Thomas Ekstrom If you make such statements, please provide the evidence....

  • @jab5915
    @jab5915 Před 5 lety

    Want to unsubscribe but then you put out another semi-interesting video. Okay, I'll stick around for a bit longer :)

  • @chrisstephens6673
    @chrisstephens6673 Před 5 lety +7

    Make them legal fine but be classed as mopeds and comply with all that entails like plates, tax, insurance and helmets not to mention MOT and license.

    • @metropod
      @metropod Před 5 lety +3

      I’m starting to think the should replace (or at least supplement) “driving license” with a “road usage license” that covers everything from cars to bikes because I’m tired of nearly being run over by idiots on bikes and scooters who think the rules don’t apply to them.
      If a pedestrian is in a crosswalk... STOP!
      Couple of months ago I saw a guy on a bike blow through a red light and come within about a foot of smashing into an little old lady crossing the street.

    • @chrisstephens6673
      @chrisstephens6673 Před 5 lety

      metropod number plates and registration would lead to accountability and might reduce bad behaviour by louts who think they are uncatchable.

    • @metropod
      @metropod Před 5 lety +1

      Chris Stephens but that requires accepting responsibility for your own actions, something most people riding around on on those scooters (my fellow “millennials”) are mostly not known to do....

    • @arturturkevych3816
      @arturturkevych3816 Před 5 lety

      @@metropod completely agree with you. There should be some sort of a license to even use bikes and scooters so that moronic cyclists learn about blind spots, traffic rules and get fined, points for jumping the red light, going on a pavement or just dangerous riding.
      Many cyclists jump between pavement and roads without any care and many probably don't even know when they have a priority and how they should act.

    • @chrisstephens6673
      @chrisstephens6673 Před 5 lety

      metropod now you are getting the idea,pass it on.😉

  • @avantgauche
    @avantgauche Před 5 lety +7

    I'm glad they aren't legal I don't want them here.

    • @chizoioioi
      @chizoioioi Před 4 lety

      Try using one you’ll probably like it

  • @amiga512k
    @amiga512k Před 4 lety

    Why adults wish to ride children’s toys is beyond me

  • @jeanbonnefoy1377
    @jeanbonnefoy1377 Před 4 lety

    Please don't make in London the tragic mistake Paris did last year when allowing free floating electric scooters... 12 different companies rushed in like hordes of locusts, a total nightmare... Now after numerous casualties, among them several fatal ones, they finally decided to ban them from pavements and roads, they're only allowed on cycle lanes with a top speed limit of 15mph (which imho is already way to fast), the helmet is mandatory and those machines can only be parked along the pavement or in places already allowed for cycles and motorbikes. Plus only 3 companies are allowed to operate, with very strict regulations for parking, collecting the machines and charging them, without subcontracting the job... Nevertheless, those scooters are the epitome of the false good idea of a green transportation mode: their carbon print is terrible and they are absolutely useless: only one passenger, no way of carrying any luggage or heavy load, unstable, no real brakes, unfit for paved roads and crash and skid prone at the first drop of rain...

  • @davidchi1277
    @davidchi1277 Před 2 lety

    They are ILLEGAL everywhere except on private land, what bit of ILLEGAL do you not understand

  • @chrisclose7793
    @chrisclose7793 Před 2 lety

    Easy solution ban them from sale full stop as they are dangerous two yobs on escooters nearly took me and my son out and I detest them

  • @NirateGoel
    @NirateGoel Před 4 lety +1

    It's cause scooters are for children.... and look stupid.

  • @orsoncart9441
    @orsoncart9441 Před 4 lety

    They should be banned completely. It will all end in tears.

  • @hymatwat9412
    @hymatwat9412 Před 4 lety

    Kids toys. Man up And Get a car

  • @zico739
    @zico739 Před 4 lety

    Because they’re terrible and unnecessary.