NEW LEICA M10-R vs M10-P | Two Major Differences
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2020
- In the video, I explain the two major differences between the newly released Leica M10-R and the established Leica M10-P.
I also look into differences in resolution between the newly developed 40MP sensor in the M10-R versus the 24MP sensor in the M10-P by means of a sample image in Capture One.
Watch in 4K to avoid video compression.
See also my "first impression" video on the Leica M10-R with lots of sample images:
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Fabulous video as usual and great having such a majestic background to extoll the virtues of this new Leica camera.
The video I’ve been waiting for - thank you! Considering na upgrade from m10.
Superb review with your landscape photo with lots of subject matter ! So many reviewers don't take the trouble to show a proper assessment . Yes , most of us looking at this on a computer screen would be happy with the P Leica .
Such a great in-dept review as always !!!
As always, great video! Thank you!
Excellent video. Great and relevant comparison. Can't wait to see the SL2 against the iQ4! I have an SL and an iQ4 and have been debating about getting the SL2 - can't wait to see if it's worth it (although my shooting with the iQ4 and the SL is completely different). It'll be a great comparison! Take care and see you tomorrow! 👍
Thanks for this, you really just put my mind at ease. I just went from a M-D 262 to an A7RIV and now going back down to an M10-D. While the 61mp files from the Sony are fantastic, the files are just to clunky to deal with. I was really worried I was going to miss the extra resolution by not going with an M10-R but your video really helped me realize the increase from 24 to 40 really isn't that big of a deal.
Warmer and more vivid colours of the P; prefer that over the R in these pictures.
Great video! Thank you!
Great review! I personally love that Safari edition.
Given your experience with long exposures do you have a recommendation for Leica M10 base plate that can affix to Arca Swiss? Thanks!
I love Safari Edition M10-P. I will wait for M10-R Safari Edition and get my first Leica hopefully ! :)
Nice video. You do have a beautiful county.
Do you think third party lenses ie. Zeiss or voigtlander would be able to resolve all that resolution of the M10r or just stick to Leica lenses to get the most of it
The "deep pixels" theory carries over to the Q as well. I picked up the original Q recently. I shoot it alongside my Sony sometimes and there is simply something going on with that Leica's sensor. The Sony has double the res and GM glass. The old Q still just has this "deep" quality that isn't in the Sony.
do you think there is a big difference in image quality comparing M10 to Q2? Thank you
Great video, but when printing you will not see a difference between 24mp and 40mp. they will both print the same size print with ease, 24x36 is not an issue. You do get an advantage if you crop but as you show in you video, it isn't that much of a difference. I've printed stunning 17x22 archival prints with my M8.2 which is 10mp. The pleasure in owning a M10P or R is the advances like touch screen, conductivity and an improved Visoflex with GPS. Also the shutter on the M10P is the best ever, so quiet and smooth. Both cameras are amazing, a joy to use.
This is the video that made me realize I had to buy an M. Picked up an M10. Love it.
Great - thanks for sharing and congrats to your M10 :)
This video also inspired me to buy an M, M4 Competition to be exact 😂
@@bloomvikung German engineering, baby!
Really enjoy your video. Many thanks!
Thanks kodi.
Can you please tell me what is that grip on the side of the camera, I don't mean the top grip for the thumb. I searched for it, but didn't find it.
I have read setting WB to 3900k for astrophotography is correct. I’ve done that with my SL and it looks good. Your thoughts and how do you set up WB in long Star exposures.
How does the amount of noise and noise structure look at iso's above 10k?
Great video! Street photographers often don't have the luxury of being able to compose the perfect shot. The M10-R will give such photographers an ability to 'zoom in' that they don't have with the M10.
Fully agree, crop = zoom in post and the M10-R offers a significant advantage here.
Very interesting. The colour was the most noticeable difference which on the M10-P it had a significant magenta hue in the sky. It would be great to see a similar comparison between the SL2 and M10-R.
Little Dua you can’t compare color until Adobe has released proper RAW processing files. This always takes a while after a new body is released - a few months, sometimes longer.
The silent shutter of the M10-P is the same in the M10-R?
I love these videos!! Did you ever compare the M10R to the M10M? Didn’t see a video anywhere
I noticed that for a second you hesitated between the B and the 8 seconds dial position . This is because of the font face that Leica is using. I wonder if anyone ever lost a frame because of this.
Safari body and gold lens... thats a keeper combo!
I love the looks of those cameras, they look as if they were from an antique camera collection while having high tech specs
There’s nothing quite like a Leica. Such well built machines.
Leica is not high tech compare with Japanese camera in term of electronic, functions, etc
tfylhk Leica is not trying to be “high tech”, Leica is about tradition. The camera has stayed largely the same for the last 50 years.
Would be really interested in an astrophotographers shoot with an M10... vs M10R. :-) Happy Thorsday!
Great video, thanks! It raises a few questions, though: It’s interesting that a 100% zoom is so different on the images given they were at an identical starting point - is that a Capture One phenomenon or just standard for images of different pixel size? Also, what computer do you use and did the file sizes of the R slow things down appreciably?
It also happens in Lightroom for me. With the same Camera but also every time you use two pictures with different sizes, that's not just a thing with this cameras. On the Computer performance. I only use Mac, so I dont know how Windows/ Linux goes with editing lager files but for me I didn't really made a difference on a MacBook Pro/ I Mac and also not on a MacPro but I think it really depends on the software you are using and your computer specs. Normally 40Mp shouldn't be a big problem..
Thanks!
Hi, thanks for the video.
I just sold my m240, seems m10 is already enough, the 40MP is not really a huge jump at the end. 🤔
Great reviews matt, keep them coming.
Curious as to why the hard limits of the shutter based on high iso? Sure you don’t want to streak the stars, but what if you were slowing down water or something else?
It's probably because you'd introduce noise and they don't want that in their customers expensive DNG files :-)
To my eye, the M10-P image is warmer, may be your edit but it's more pleasing to me.
Maybe the sun poked out of the clouds more/less that altered it but I agree, the P looks more "3D" and Leica-like. Like Matt was saying about the "deep pixels." I think the P has larger deeper pixels than the R just due to maths
Thanks
what grip are you using here?!
Great video! Did you use the same white balance on the 2 sample shots? I was wondering about eventual differences in color rendition, and the M10-P image has more of a pink tint to it. Thanks for these informative videos! Cheers!
Thanks.
ISO and time limits makes total sense. Since raising ISO is effectively just increasing gain, then the longer the sensor is capturing light at higher gain, the more heat issues you're going to encounter. Besides, if you're shooting a 4 minute or longer exposure, realistically there is zero reason to use any ISO higher than base.
You’re missing the most important difference. No Leica script on top of camera body for M-10R
If I hadn't stumbled into a good deal on a M10, I'd have bought the M10-P for that reason.
Just get it inscribed
I'd like to ask you about the differences between b&w output from the R vs the M(onochrome) model, because I'm absolutely stuck in the middle in terms of deciding which will be my first Leica camera.
The Mono is superior. You will never achieve the same quality of a monochrom sensor by converting a color RAW into B&W. I am going to test this week the new Leica Q2 Mono - it will be fun :)
@@mathphotographer on the other hand, last week I've been testing the M10 R and I'm still impressed by the colors... Superhard decision, but a logic one: color + not that good bw instead of monochrome only. As a fuji and sony user, I never thought I would say Leica is superior in both color science and user experience. Indeed it is.
@@mathphotographer leica Spain lent me the Q2 M a few weeks ago for a test. It looks film like, specially wide open, and build construction is far better than the M10 series, imho. On the other hand, with the M10M you have a whole universe of lenses, and I admit AF makes no sense to me when I'm using a Leica and recreating certain philosophy.
cheers !
May the automatic noise reduction be disabled on the M10-P and M10-R? It’s not possible on the M10 and SL.
No - current firmware does not allow to switch-off automatic noise reduction in any currently available Leica rangefinder camera. But wait for the news from Leica this year ... I have some speculation that might help :)
@@mathphotographer Thanks. Well, so, let’s wait for the M11 and your video on the speculations 😊
Oh boy, can’t keep up with Leica, I’m happy with my Leica Q, Vario-X and M240...so I’ll wait for the Leica 4x6 format to come out next....
Yeah ! Leica 10x18 “
I have the M10. Hoping for the M10-R-P
Maybe is only me, but why I notice that the M10-P is sharper than the M10-R ?
That gold lens is so nice
special edition :)
Large prints is not a reason to go from 24 to 40MP. Photoshop will fill in the pixels for you when you want to print. The only reason for 40MP is if you crop.
The easiest way to raise the ISO dial is using two fingers while pushing up from the bottom, not pulling up from the top. Give it a try!
M10-P is really good, 24 MP is enough.
I dont think it is, trouble is how to hold 40mp without stabilisation...
@@jukeboxjohnnie , I need to try it first, but my m10p is enough
@@mariogpx2990 i certainly cant see a difference in the pictures..
I shoot Sony A7r4, Leica Q2 and Hasselblad 907x, all 40mp plus, they fill up hard drive, slow in post processing and I don’t print wall paper size the big size is overkill. I sometime shoot Nikon Df which is 16mp and it’s perfectly fine to print 24x20, so 24mp is more than plenty and m10p color looks warmer and more vibrant to me. I would go with m10p.
the only thing I like about the R over the P is more pixels... I don't like the slower buffer, larger file sizes, design (red dot, no engraving on top)... I will wait for the M11P before I upgrade.
I AGREE
I think you mean the M10-RP
@@Fluterra nope.. I mean the eventual M11P
@@Fluterra 40mp will be standard and there will be no need for an R in the naming convention
Ronit Singh yes, I’m sure the M11 will have 40MP
Thanks for this comparison. I wonder why Leica hasn‘t used the 47mp sensor which we find on the SL2/Q2. I‘d love to see a comparison with this new 40mp sensor in regards to detail, dynamic range and iso-performance besides the more subjective aspects (which you probably call deep pixels). Thanks for considering.
The comparison of the 187mp multishot and the PhaseOne MF cam will be revealing too.
Was that me or those two cameras are going through some mid-life crisis upgrade. D: golden lens, bottom plate, and all the 'accessories' ... Like a ricer car :D
lustig, dass wir uns noch immer nicht über den Weg gelaufen sind. Waren die letzten Wochen öfters an der Gabelung etwas weiter oben für Nacht- und Kometenaufnahmen :-)
Haha, dann hoffen wir mal, dass wir mal zufällig unsere Wege kreuzen :)
The M10-P has that pinkish WB that's been characteristic of digital Leicas. The M10-R favors greens and seems to have a more neutral approach. I think reds and browns are more intense and vivid on the M10-P. Just look at the pinkish clouds, the browner barn and the less yellowish grass (more dark green) on the M10-P (15:21).
There’s a slider in most raw converters for the magenta tint... The AWB is just different on any digital Leica body ever made. No real issue...
Two major differences for me are the missing red dot on the M10-P and the missing Leica engraving on the top of the M10-R.
I would rather use an external shutter release cable plus a timer and a Leica M9 with a real tripod socket to have a camera plate permanently attached than this stupid inaccurate long exposure mode which just sounds like a marketing gag for a camera you even can’t put on a tripod in a comfortable manner. I will wait for the M11. Hopefully Leica will get the bottom plate right again (like they did on the M8 and M9) and use the old style three way on/off switch again. Simple is good until it gets unusable. What are they thinking in making a camera of this price range worse than its predecessors in terms of ergonomics?
I have a cable shutter release 💁🏻♂️
To think the sensors would give of so different colours
Wait... That golden lens... Do you still own the ASC M10-P?
Ach und übrigens, ich merke du benutzt immer den silbernen Griff auf der Safari. Ich würde dir empfehlen mal beim Züricher Leica Store (oder Wetzlar direkt) nachzufragen, ob sie dir das schwarze Leatherette des Griffs gegen das grüne von der Safari tauschen. Ich weiss, dass zB der Amsterdam Leica Store das möglich gemacht hat. Der silberne Griff mit GRÜNER Leatherette auf der M10-P Safari sieht wirklich verdammt hübsch aus.
Nice advice, thanks! And yes, I still own the ASC :)
@@mathphotographer One lucky man! Erkunde dich mal bei den Leica Stores... Ich bin mir sicher die können das machen, ansonsten gab es im l-camera-forum jemanden der den Job in Amsterdam machen ließ, es sieht wirklich toll aus an der M10 Safari!
1.5 days? That's precision. Like a Leica.
In your video you say the M10R is the greatest camera on the planet, do you still feel the same way , now that the M11 is out?
Need 4K video for the decisive video moment.
Take sony S))
@@tabletennisforfans7868 FX3 looks good.;-)
Leica M 10 is the best!!?
Why don’t you use Sony A7?
What do you do in life to able to afford so many Leica?
If these photographers make photography a business, they can probably write off the cameras as a tax deduction upgrade in equipment... so it’s a free-bee, tax break
Who even rush to buy a new Leica when one comes out and they already own a Leica anyway? xD
Do you work as a bank owner man?!!!
That M-10R looks sexy and amazingly beautiful
You should not use ISO 100 on M10.
If I am not mistaken, ISO 100 is the "native ISO" of the M10-R and M10-P so best ISO value for testing.
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F/8 is a poor choice - the 35mm is not its best at f/8. And who cares about DOF when you’re focused at Infiniti?!
The styling of this camera is weird, especially to top, with those ultra sharp corners.
Lol this is the greatest flex in world history
:)
Outdated sensor, outdated electronics, outdated technology, with good body structure. Too heavy for me.
The P looks like a toy camera made out of Legos. I am sure it makes beautiful photos. But to buy a camera like a Leica you know your also buying it because of its classic look. They missed the point on this one for me.
Trouble with Leica nowadays is the cost ...I have no objections to people spending there money how they wish .. but for me i would personally be ashamed to carry and use these , especially in developing countries.. couldn’t look people in the eye .
Nice cameras though and good luck to you.
D.
I have a friend who is a leica owner. He says he would choose the one with the brightest red dot on the front. Says chicks looking for wealthy guys love it.