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Objections to Marriage Permanence Answered 4
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2019
- This is a scripted discussion with real objections for educational purposes pertaining to Biblical teachings of Marriage Permanence. I am working with brother Mario Berry, who also preaches the lifelong nature of marriage.
Objections Answered:
1. Deuteronomy 24:3-4 says I can't go back to my first spouse
2. In Ezra 10 God told Israel to divorce their wives, so I can divorce mine
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All of the videos in this presentation are very good. I appreciate everything that you had to say concerning the permanence of marriage. God bless you, pastor, for doing so. In Christ, Kathryn
Thank you sister, I appreciate your encouragement very much, and I will pass it along to Mario as well. I am not an ordained pastor by the way, but I do spend a lot of time with the Word of God and seeking to minister to others. Grace be with you Kathryn.
We dont follow mosaic law
I would like to add something here as I've thoroughly studied the background of Ezra 10;
as to why God commanded the men of Israel to put away their Babylonian "wives."
Up front I should say that very few understand the specific reason
behind God's command for these men to divorce their wives.
It is important to understand these reasons, because certain pastors are using Ezra 10
as proof text to justify divorce. If one understands what this text is all about they would
see that God was not justifying divorce at all...That these marriages were not valid marriages.
These women had been enjoined to another man. Even though these women were likely
dedicated in their hearts and minds to their “husband” and also dedicated to their God,
it didn't make a difference because her past in Babylon. She was already married.
While the pastor brings up
several excellent points concerning Christ's words on marriage, there is a specific underlying
reason as to why these points are excellent. The "wives" that these men were commanded to divorce,
had been raised as pagans. That in itself would have made them ineligible to marry Israelite men.
This wasn't just because they had been pagan, but because of what being pagan meant.
All virgins in ancient Babylon (Chaldea), by tradition on their 16th birthdays were taken, usually
by their fathers, to the temples of their pagan gods, to serve for a time as a living sacrifice unto these
gods. This meant that they would be "sacrificing" or giving up their virginity, to the priests officiated and
stood in proxy to and of these pagan gods. Such an action was considered to be an honor, because in
doing so they, the virgins and their families would be blessed. Not only by the priests, but by the gods.
In Chaldea, virgins weren't considered worthy to enjoin themselves to a husband, until they had first been
enjoined by covenant to a pagan god. Essentially, they weren't even considered pure until they been purified
through their union to a god; via relations with a priest of that god whom stood in proxy. This, of course, is
exactly opposite of what the God of Israel commanded of his people, particularly concerning virginity and
marriage. In Israel virginity was the basis of purity, and was critical in the act of "cutting of covenant" with
an unmarried man in their first union in marriage, which took place in the "marriage bed."
There had to be the shedding of blood; through the piercing of the hymen (the Hebrew word for veil)
in order for covenant to be “cut” between an unmarried man and a virgin woman. This is why it's the first
union that forms the covenant, that binds the two together for life. Marriage is a blood covenant. By definition,
all covenants are blood covenants, and all marriage is a blood covenant. If there is no blood,there is no covenant.
It's just a man and woman shacking up together.
The bottom line is that if an Israelite man took a young woman in ancient Babylon (Chaldea) to be his wife,
the chances were that she was most likely not a virgin. Worse, she had already been enjoined in covenant to a
pagan god, which literally meant that she was already married, by covenant to a pagan priest. This is why God
forbid Israelite men to marry pagan women, even if this woman had not been legally or formally married to
another man. Such a union in marriage was an abomination to God.
Thank you for all the added background on that situation, Kathryn. It's valuable to know. Very sad that churches us this as a proof text for divorce and remarriage, when if it's a proof text for anything in the New Covenant, it is separating from adulterous remarriages. Those are the illicit unions today, and they've never been valid marriages. Peace and blessing to you.
Barry is on his 3rd wife? If im undertanding correctly.. his covenant wife is gone and no chance of reconciliation? 1 cor 7 only gives 2 choices remain unmarried or be reconciled.. getting a new wife while his covenant wife still lives is adultery.. james 1:22 but be doers of the word not hearing only deceiving yourselves.. jesus said if you love me keep my commands.. barry is only concerned what all divorced remarried people will think..
Anyone notice that at the 7:50 mark the caller quotes a Joel Osteen book to defend his position?? 🤔
I missed the scripture in new cov't that states you CAN return to your original spouse.
I missed the Scripture in the New Testament that states you CANNOT return to your original spouse.
1 Cor 7 remain unmarried or be reconciled..
I have a question, I am confused, left the house with my four kids and seperated from my wife due to her being in another relationship with a man. Biblically is God upset with me or is that ok? I haven't divorced her and she doesn't want to end the relationship with the other guy. She also states she doesn't want to divorce me. She has been with him now for over 2 1/2 years.
Hello Matthew, God bless you. The Bible does not give us clear instructions for every marriage situation we may find ourselves in. Divorce and remarriage is wrong biblically. That we can know.
I also believe in nearly all instances we should avoid separation. In many ways separation functions like a divorce, and often it encourages future divorce and remarriage. I believe you continue living together, even if a spouse is sinning continually. If anything, I believe continuing to do your role in marriage will help the other take their own more seriously.
There is no guarantee a spouse in sin will repent, but a marriage ought to continue functioning.
The first two words in Jer 3 put Deut 24 in perspective. The first two words are God speaking and He says, “They say”.
God was not referring to Himself as “they” so it obviously wasn’t Him that said it.
Thanks. I think I see your point JP, but I'm not sure. I would not contest that Deuteronomy 24 is God's teaching, but rather Jeremiah is describing how those seeking to apply Deuteronomy 24 then wish to return to the Lord themselves after their spiritual harlotry. Clearly in the economy of God and His people it is still possible to return, and in the New Covenant the wife may return to her covenant husband as well. See what I mean?
@Holiness of the Bride I absolutely agree and understand what you are saying. My point is Jer 3 says they say and quotes right out of Deut 24 so why would He say “they say” if it was He that said it?
Also, in Deut 24, it also says immediately after in verse 5 that the husband is not to go to war or conduct business for the first year of the marriage. Is this also something that we practice and is emphasized to follow? No, it’s ridiculous that we can pick and choose what fits our narrative. I believe the crux or actually the cross in divorce not to mention remarriage is about love and forgiveness. As Jesus said that there was one reason why people divorce and that is the hardness of heart.
How many covenant spouses have truly forgiven the one that offended them and provoked divorce in the first place?
Hardly a one if anyone!
JP, Sure I am agreed with you about the need to forgive, and for marriages to be restored. Those who have taken new spouses need to repent and do what Scripture commands: remain single or be reconciled.
I'm still not sure I understand your point about Jeremiah 3 though. Jeremiah says "they say" because he is describing what the people of Israel say in applying the Torah, which is in contrast to their desire to be taken back themselves. The prophet is pointing out Israel's hypocrisy. He is not suggesting that Deuteronomy 24 is not God's teaching.
However, we are in the New Covenant, so that teaching does not apply. Marriage is rooted in creation now. We cannot tear apart marriages, and we CAN return and reconcile with our spouse even if we've remarried.
People go from church to church until they find what they want to hear. Kind-of like vending machine Jesus, just pick which Jesus you want.
This is true. We have to hear and obey the word of God. The best church to be in is one that preaches the whole counsel of God, and leads its flock in faithfulness.