miniDSP 2x4 HD | Applying & tweaking EQ, using room correction (part 3)
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- In Part 3 of my miniDSP 2x4 HD video guide series, I'll walk you through EQing your time aligned response in REW, importing and applying that to the miniDSP, making minor tweaks to the EQ using the parametric EQ in the miniDSP and some things you can do to retain your EQed house curve running room correction like Audyssey. The next and final video in this series will focus on using REW's alignment tool to time align your EQed subwoofers with your main speakers and also a simple way to ensure the crossovers on your other speakers are set properly using REW. Look for that video next week!
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TIMESTAMPS
Intro - 00:00
Disclaimers - 00:24
Subscribey Stuffs - 01:15
Using REW to EQ - 01:48
REW EQ Settings - 02:14
Applying EQ to miniDSP - 06:09
Tweaking EQ using miniDSP - 08:04
Applying a crossover - 11:36
Using room correction (Audyssey) - 14:33
Disabling sub correction in MultiEQ Editor app - 17:23
A note when using DynamicEQ - 18:41
What about the fourth video? - 19:03 - Věda a technologie
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This dude should have 10X subscribers, such good content!
Thanks for sharing!!
Thank you so much for the kind words!
we have to protect this guy at all cost. soooo many informations and his tutorials are the best out there. awesome dude 🤝🏼
Great addition to HomeTheater Gurus EP.7. Thank you for the time and effort you put in.
This series has been next-level knowledge that I have been craving about my minidsp! Thank you!
Thanks so much for this video series. It is by far the easiest to follow. I LOVE the result of what you helped me to achieve.
Awesome videos on the miniDSP, you added to the content of home theatre gurus and also Co guy and made it even easier to understand. Great job man.
looked at all 4 parts, perfect info, my system now sounds perfect, follow everything accurately and you will enjoy a perfect and controlled sound
Thank you for this series!
Great videos (1,2,3) and very clearly explained. 5/5 thumbs up👍🙂
Can't wait to get my miniDsp 2x4HD later this week and try eq my subs.
Keep up the good work.
Excellent instructions! I had a pretty nice curve on rew before adjusting phase and peq on my dual svs pb-2000 pros. But after watching your first three videos on setting up the MiniDSP 2x4 HD, you convinced me to pull the trigger and get one. I’m happy to share that my system is now next level! My Subs are so much more musical and they now play +/- 3 db from 16 hz to 140 hz (no house curve) before running Anthem Room Correction. Tomorrow I’ll be watching video 4 to see if I can eek out even more performance. Absolutely amazing! Thank you for the awesome tutorials - Comprehensive and easy to follow!!
Wow. This video answered my house curve vs audyssey question. Saved me more hours of reading forums. MUCH appreciated. Subbed.
Thank you so much for watching and subscribing! It means a lot and I hope you found these videos helpful!
Incredible video! This really helped me configure my DIY speakers, instead of subwoofers I'm using speakers and I can't explain it. It's awesome like this video!
Glad it helped!
I followed home guru and never got close to his results. Thanks to your vids I finally did! Better explanations and covered extra info that made a world of difference for me
Thank you sir!
So glad you found the videos helpful!
Great Video, thanks 🙏
I finally got around to follow this tutorial and I'm very happy I did. I have some things to share regarding Audyssey:
1. Dynamic EQ does work even if you tell Audyssey not to EQ your subs. And it does a wonderful job at making sure you have solid bass even at low listening levels. It does not mess up the smoothness of your house curve, it just tilts it. I strongly recommend you everyone to try it (and messure it to see for yourselves).
2. Use "Reference" if you want to use Audyssey. That one keeps your house curve intact. "Flat" however does not, even if you tell Audyssey not to EQ your subs!
3. Have a look at the Audyssey tutorials by Sound United, Jeff Clark from Audyssey shares some inside info on how dynamic EQ and the other settings work.
so if I use reference, I don't need to worry about the last part in the video ,where he says that Audyssey will ruin the house curve? my Denon X7200WA does not support the app
I’m dropping the $20 for the app. I’ve been wanted to try it so now I have a good reason. Thanks
Boy I should of watched all the way through the room correction part. The video was super helpful and when it came to the part where I should run Audyssey I figured I knew what I was doing. I ran it then increased the miniDSP input level since Audyssey says subs are too loud. Then I went into my receiver and set sub levels to 0. Turned on my current favorite scene that has some really nice DEEP bass, Will Smith’s Welcome to Earth volcano episode on Disney+. As soon as the bass kicked in my receiver shut off. Turned on my receiver and this time turned down the bass correction like you mention and bass sounded amazing but now I have to increase my volume to get the sound output I had with my old Audyssey file before using REW. I wish I knew why things sound quieter now.
When I first EQ'd, I followed this approach with the house curve from 100 - 30 hz which, while good, seemed to produce a bit too much boost toward the crossover region and somewhat "chesty" sounding male vocals. I switched to EQ'ing to FLAT to around 77-78 dB and then applied an Input Low Shelf filter centered at 35 Hz, with 10dB gains and a Q of 0.8. This creates a rise starting at around 63 hz up to +10dB at 20 hz without the bloated sounded male vocals. To me, it sounds way more natural while still retaining the desired boost of the house curve.
Terse and succinct!
Thanks!
Thanks David Cross
I have been accused of stealing the chipmunks on numerous occasions. This hits different and I appreciate it. Now please hold while I practice my audition for the Blue Man Group.
Thanks for this amazing series. How do you adjust all your subwoofer levels to match the 75db during the initial Audyssey subwoofer setup ? In the earlier episode you level matched all the subwoofers. But Audyssey requires you to increase or lower the subwoofer level to meet 75db before the calibration starts.
Great videos and great channel! I’ve been working with the mini DSP and have one question that I’m not sure if you answered or not. If I get a great room curve, that sounds smooth with the base response but I want a little bit more gain, what’s the best way to achieve that? Simply boosting the gain in the main DSP output channels? I have 3 subs
Brilliant content, I have 2 jl subs at front and 2 tst239 transducers in the sofa can I just treat them as subs and do as your showing on the channel?
15:22 YPAO doesn't disable your house curve, because you know why? YPAO is so bad that it doesn't do jack shit for sub EQ in the first place. A blessing in disguise.
Great video, super god explained.
but i have one question. I have a nasty dip from 62hz to 80hz on 15db.
Could I initially tuned my subs in to 75db+16db= 91db (gain on the subs)
Then corrected it down to 75db using house curve?
Thank you for great stuff! Is it true that you only use ONE EQ setting to all three subs? If so, I do not get it... Every sub has its own room gain and should have individual EQ settings like individual time alignment - right?
Really enjoying the tutorials. Very well presented and informative
One question. Why only EQ to 100hz? Why not all the way to 250hz?
Thanks
idk about his setup but most subwoofers only go up to 80-120hz
Is Mini DSP worth having if I only have one Sub? Is the calibration process more or less the same. Thanks for your response and great tutorials, greatly appreciate it.
Thank you for these videos! They are very clear and well laid out. I also have been following Home Theater Gurus. One thing I'm not understanding is if a high pass filter with the MiniDSP is needed for sealed subs. I have two SVS SB-2000 Pros. Is it more detrimental to add a HPF to a sealed sub? Thanks for your help!
That was actually a mistake on my part. A HPF isn’t really needed on most subs. There are a few cases where you’d want to use one, such as if you’re using your own DIY subs and need to prevent the driver from playing too low or you simply don’t want bass below a certain point (some people have issues with bass below 15Hz). But for most subs you can just skip adding a HPF.
@@HomeTheaterGamer Ok, thanks for the info! I noticed that Steve from Home Theater Gurus also placed a HPF. I had been reading that people typically place them with ported subs to protect them from bottoming out. I just hadn't seen any info out there for sealed subs. I'll remove the HPF I placed and see if it makes a difference. Looking forward to seeing more of your videos!
Hey Brad, I have been following your channel to set up my minidsp and UMIK-1 mic with my system to calibrate my three subs with no issues so far but I would like to ask the following questions:
1. Why do I hear two loud ticking noise before the normal sweeping noise comes on from REW on my 3rd sub? The other two subs have no ticking noise. 1st and the 2nd subs are the same brand and model. When I muted the 3rd sub, there is no ticking noise from 1st and 2nd. Once I unmuted the 3rd sub, ticking noise appears on the 3rd sub only before sweeping, same condition when I only sweep the 3rd sub.
2. For subs calibration, why the front left channel stays on? I have no way to turn off the front left channel, on the REW software there are L, R and L&R to chose from as a reference, no selection for none, I guess one of the front channels or both will stay on during sub calibration.
3. Why the SPL is lower when more than one sub on? Example: 1st & 2nd subs on with 80.5db, all subs on with 75db. Is it normal?
Please advise.
I’ve been hoping to find some info on mini dsp use with subs+ actuators… I see forum messages but videos a a lot easier to understand
Great set of tutorials.. I have 1 question though... Assuming u run audyssey post and via app take the subs mffr back to 0, does dynamic eq relative to whatever your offset is set at still in play for your subs? Or does does doing that negate those options....
Awesome tutorial and thank you. Question: Once you've applied REW EQ to output PEQ, can you EQ the result and import that EQ into the input advanced tab side instead of individually correcting each individual freq?
@Leon Halloran absolutely! I actually recently started doing this and it’s such a time saver that I think I’ll do a quick video about it and how to do it. It’s pretty simple but if the video helps out one person, then it’s worth doing.
You just have to be careful and watch out for boosting frequencies too much. But if you followed the guide and set your subs a bit higher in the beginning, you won’t have anything to worry about.
@@HomeTheaterGamer awesome Brad and thanks man. Yeah more vids is never a bad thing lol I think it’d be helpful, there’s always small things not everyone will know or think of that they’ll learn from in your vids, me included. 😁
So I have followed these videos and it works great. This time around, my eq would not cut. I ensured to make my target line below my natural speaker measurement line - but the eq did not cut at all. Any suggestions??? I tried moving up and down the target line from 75db down to 70db with no change
Would you still get good results time aligning the subs with the mini dsp and rew and then using the harman curve in Dirac to set the target curve?
Hey Brad - Thanks for the great vid! - I just got my MiniDSP 2x4 HD and UMIK-1 microphone - has anything changed in the two years that have passed since you made this series of videos?
Like new SW / firmware / hardware?
- Denon 4400H and 4x subs. - Thanks!
Hi I have just been watching your videos on calibrating with the mini DSP HD and they are most helpful but I’m only able to get the sound from my tower speakers and not getting sound from my Subs what am I doing wrong
I'm on the end of part 3 but I have a Yamaha tsr 700. I don't see a way to desable the room correction for the sub. Any ideas on how to do this
Hey Brad @HomeTheaterGamer.
I did all the room curve and parametric EQ. Decided to get the app for my denon 4700h. However I don't any default sample (maybe because I've never run it audyssey). If you create a new one and uncheck the subwoofer would that work? In case not, should I just start from the beginning run audyssey first and then do everything again with disable just to have that default profile create in the editor app?
Thanks
I have a question that hopefully you can answer. I'm new in the hobby so all of this is a learning process for me. I've seen your voice about auddessey and it's very informative. I have a marantz sr 6015 in a 5.1.4 setup and also downloaded the editor app but haven't used it yet. That being said I'm about ready to use the app. Before getting started I've read online that you have to use the minidsp and Rew before running the app but I also read that if you only have one sub that you don't have to use those tools. I'm sure that all is better using the tools first but again I'm new to the hobby and kinda up there in age (60) and I have to pick things a little at a time. I have a SVS pb 3000 and my room is 12x12x9 and my speakers are the Klipsch RP line. Hopefully someone can share some advice. Thanks.
If you’re using an AVR with Dirac built in, could you not time align and phase correct the subwoofers within the minidsp as shown to get the room response really good, then apply the house curve in Dirac rather than on the minidsp?
Quick question
If i plan to run ARC Genesis after REW/dsp EQ etc, would i still need to set a xover in minidsp?
Wouldnt ARC gen set a xover afterwards anyway?
Just doesnt seem right to set a xover twice?
Another great tutorial video, just wondering what if you run room correction then run PEQ with mini dsp and then set house curve ? Just a thought 💭
@Del Ali there's no harm in trying, but I mentioned it in the video that applying EQ on top of room correction EQ isn't ideal for a few reasons; mainly less "room" to work with in regards to output and the possibility of other issues including phase cancellation. It's best avoided but since you can't disable subwoofer correction on some room correction software, then you don't really have any other options other than not using room correction at all.
@@HomeTheaterGamer Thanks for reply, my subwoofer does not have subwoofer correction I will try this out. Great content I am sure your channel will grow. 👍🏽
Do we have to unplug the 2×4hd after the eq or should we leave it with the AVR... I know it's a dumb question but yeah I wanna know it... thanks in advance
when you add 1db in the input sektion to reach the 85 db house curve at timestamp 13.40, then when you are done with audyssey, do you then level match by turning op volume in the AVR trim level settings
Hi! When I select ’Match response to target’, it doesn’t generate an EQ profile. The predicted line looks identical to my time aligned line. Help! Great video series.
May I know how do you correct the peaks at the right side, thanks.
These instructions actually made me understand what was expected of me after buying my mididsp DDRC-24.
I thought the calibration program was included in the box.... But it seems that I need to use REW to get it to work at all.
The DDRC-24 had Dirac Live already inside but I am confused as I do have a button in the DDRC-24 program that states "Calibrate" but it just gives me a logo of the Dirac Live and a diffuse image of the program....
I'm confused and I am not used to that......
There is a Dirac plugin to download too, I noticed, and I''m guessing it's for REW. But why do I have a "Calibration" button in the minidsp program?
Can miniDSP be used with powered bookshelf speakers?
I have yamaha rx-a880 with ypao..do I not run that after all this is done?
I guess my overall concern is that using REW and the mini dip hd allows you to tweak until your heart is content (if that is your thing), but for ARC Gen users…isn’t this what the AVR is suppose to do for you? It just seems like a lot of prep work for an individual to finally run their AVR calibration tool to possibly see their hard work eliminated. Initially my purpose for getting and using REW and mini DSP was to simply synchronize my two subs so that my AVR views them as one large synchronized subwoofer verses 1 left and 1 right sub. Then it will take care of the timeline alignment/phasing with the rest of the system. As a newbie, I guess I am just overwhelmed and need to understand that these additional tools simply allow you to continue to refine, but not mandatory to get a decent sound. Thoughts?
Hello Very Nice videos, 👌👌
But i cant find out to make a graf like yours on the sub. My sub measurment is different from yours. Its really hard to find out How to do this.
I’m using Power Sound Audio subs (PSA) and at least with them, they are DSPed inside the amp with a filter to not let them play below the tuning frequency. You may want to check with SVS but I suspect they are the same as well. It renders the step where you add a low end sub filter (16-18Hz) unnecessary and potentially detrimental.
Yeah, that was partly an oversight on my part. I have since disabled it. It is a useful feature and I know at least a few people who don’t like “tactile” bass at all, so it’s definitely an easy way to prevent those low notes from playing. I am not one of those types of people though, haha.
@@HomeTheaterGamer other than that, love your 4 part. Very clear and easy to follow! Thanks for the hard work!
Awesome Series and I'm following step by step. I also have Dual PB 2000 Pros too.. They Rock!! I do have question which I did not hear an answer too . After all the tuning of the subs when using the Audysee App to run the AVR room correction when we have to gain match the subs to the graphic . Do we turn down the gain through the minidsp HD or leave them at the set gain we already configured for house curve and tuning ? ie ignore the gain adj. and move on to the other speakers. Thanks Again Awesome !!
Hi, did you ever figure out the answer to this? I have dual PB 2000 Pros too and going through his videos and wondering the same thing.
I've also read that it's good for the AVR (Denon at least) to have a -10 to -11 trim on the subs to avoid clipping. But yes, I think I'd just ignore the AVR saying they're too loud.
@@JeffreyFrye that’s what I did .. match the subs in app leave it alone. If the AVR changes or says it’s too loud that’s fine you can readjust after the fact to what sounds good to you.
Hi Brad, I'm a bit confused if you can help...I have a MiniDSP 2x4HD that I want to manage my two Rythmik subs. Then I want my NAD M17v2i to manage the the rest of my surround sound system with Dirac Live. Dirac does not let me disable the correction of the subwoofer after it's ran. My M17v2i does not have two independent subwoofer outs. How do I use both Dirac and MiniDSP 2x4HD?
Did you create your house curve before or after Audyssey?
Very new to all this stuff. This may be a ridiculous question however here goes. After all the eq with the miniDSP 2x4 HD is complete does it still rmain connected to the system or is it then disconnected from the speakers and/or air? Thanks
Not a ridiculous question. Yes, the MiniDSP must remain hooked up after all the EQ stuff is done. That’s what is making all of the adjustments to the signal.
From my experience, a room curve is a bad idea if you're gonna run a room correction later on. I simply set it to a flat response at 75dB, then run YPAO and let it do its magic.
Is there any con to putting a house curve in the Input PEQ setting in miniDSP? I set a flat response in the output PEQ, then under Inputs, I set a low_shelf filter to create a house curve.
@Kris no real cons unless you are importing it instead of adding it manually AND have imported EQ on all the PEQs in the output section. You'd have no way to tweak the EQ after the fact because you lose that ability when importing a curve and/or EQ.
Could you please tell me. I have finished with all the steps. I ran the Audyssey xt32 unfortunately my marantz just missed the editor app so can’t disable the sub EQ. My question is after the Audyssey would you advise going in and manually setting the levels to 75dB for each speaker as it has set them to around 71at reference 0dB on the maranta and crossover for speakers to 80Hz as again it has set them to F 60Hz C 80Hz surrounds 100Hz Atoms 150Hz all speakers can do 80Hz. Thank you.
Setting them at 75dB is entirely up to you. It shouldn't change anything with the frequency response at all. As for the crossovers, I have the fourth/final miniDSP video coming out in about 20 minutes and that covers time aligning your main speakers with your subwoofers (using the miniDSP) for the best and smoothest crossover, as well as checking to make sure your center and surround crossovers are set properly. Unfortunately, I don't know of a way to test Atmos crossovers, so those won't be covered.
Wouldn’t it be great if you could leave the mini dsp to automatically go through all possible combinations and present you with the flattest in the morning….? Can’t be that hard to implement.
How to disable the sub correction in audyssey multieq x?
Aren’t you supposed to measure the lfe output in REW? You have it on left so it’s playing the left speaker and the subs together. Aren’t you supposed to get all the subs playing together before you measure the speakers together with the subs?
I'm loving the series so far, but I've one question about running Audyssey. I've already run Audyssey before I had my MiniDSP. So I was thinking, do I even need to rerun Audyssey? Because nothing has changed, my speakers are still all in the same place, and you're disabling its corrections anyway. So do I need to rerun it anyway or isn't it necessary anymore when I have already done it (I use the app version btw). I would prefer not to because running Room corrections takes so much time and with my neighborhood being extremely noise, it's also really anoying to even do.
Thanks!
Great question! If you’ve already run it, and still have access to the MultiEQ app and the file there, then you’re good. You can just copy that one, disable the sub correction and upload it to the receiver.
@@HomeTheaterGamer Thank you so much for the reply, and great to hear that I don't need to run it again. O, and is it okay to change the curve inside the app with the ''curve editor'' for the speakers, or should I just leave it flat/ the default curve?
Also, I'm guessing that I shouldn't change the crossover in the app as well? I should just keep that at 250HZ, right?
@HomeTheaterGamer Why not just unplug the sub during setup so the receiver is not trying to apply any corrections during setup of the other channels?
If I recall correctly, if you tell your receiver you have a subwoofer and disconnect it, then try and Audyssey, it won’t detect the subwoofer during the initial level check or first measurement and will stop you from moving forward with the calibration.
Also, disabling the subwoofer in the receiver menu and then turning it back on after you do Audyssey for your speakers will disable Audyssey completely and won’t allow you to turn it on again unless you rerun it.
This is all applies to Denon/Marantz. Other receivers may be different with their room EQ stuff.
Can anyone confirm or deny if I use the Denon editor app to disable the subwoofers in the editor app can i run minidsp set my distances levels then set a House Curve in Rew. If I then re run audyssey speaker correction setup how would that integrate the subwoofers using the minidsp to do all the subwoofer setup would I have to set manually subwoofer distances distances or how do I set a house curve in minidsp and re run audyssey to recalibrate speakers and have my subwoofer settings intact and integrated witht eh rest of the system as re running a room correction would that not flatten the curve in the minidsp. Can anyone explain how I would be able to set up my minidsp to be able to tune my subwoofers then re run a room speaker correction and be able to keep my minidsp subwoofer setting intact and be able to run room correction without destroying my House Curve in the minidsp when rerunning any speaker calibration. Can anyone explain what is the best way to go about it please as I am totally confused.
Great video series. You just cost me a bunch of $$, lol. As a direct result of this series I added a 2nd sub to my SVS PB16 ultra and a minidsp 2x4HD.
As for running the AEQ software on your receiver with a house curve. Couldn't you run it at the end, then just go into the PEQ in the receiver for the sub channel only and undo any changes manually? Then verify house curve with REW. I know on my Yamaha I can run YPAO and then import the YPAO settings into a manual adjustment custom PEQ for each channel. I then can go in and undo any YPOA adjustments just on the sub channel. Essentially reverse any corrections on the house curve. Do you see any reason why this would not work?
Unfortunately, Audyssey doesn’t allow you to do that on the receiver side. It’s either on or off if you’re just using the receiver. The $20 Audyssey MultiEQ Editor app is required if you want to do that, which is why I spent the money on it. Spending all the time and effort to get the subs time aligned and EQd with a nice house curve only to have Audyssey flatten in our was… well, it was worth the $20 one time purchase to prevent that from happening.
@@HomeTheaterGamer good to know. I believe the minidsp 2x4 HD also has saved presents. I'm planning on doing one eq curve with the house curve you used and then another flat curve with YPAO volume (Similar to dynamic eq) enabled and see what I like better.
Keep up the great content man!
After you spend hours and hours doing this, If you move your Mic 5 feet to the left or right, does it make everything look like a mess again?
Actually, if the time alignment of the subs and EQ is done properly, the response should be similar at all your listening positions, save for issues pertaining to certain seats that this process can’t correct. Will they be exactly the same as your main listening position? No, but they never will be anyway and you can make minor adjustments to the EQ if you’d like.
@@HomeTheaterGamer I would be interested in a video demonstrating that. While I agree there can be a lot of improvement at all listening positions, I have my doubts about moving off center and not seeing a mess develop.
I have a 13.1 setup using Scan-Speak front and centers, with Seas MKIII's covering the rest of the room; four in the ceiling in custom ported cabinets, front wides, and the conventional four rear/back.
Ive only ever tuned it by ear, and never ran the in room correction.
Past experience with a 7.1 setup, it made things worse.
I do however see the value in the sub alignment, however I currently only have one large 15" powered by a Crown CE4000. (I had a second sub wired up for a brief period, but repurposed it.)
I plan to remove the 9515 and profile the (actual) TS specs, and possibly lower the tune depending on hown the room response looks. Right now its tuned to knock things off the bookshelf, and lacks 18-25Hz.
(Mic, DSP HD, and DATSV3 on the way.)
I'll likely use the DSP for something othet than the 13.1 setup. Looks like a great piece of kit.
I'm just wondering when you rerun audyssey after getting everything set up could you just disconnect the sub out from avr so audyssey does not try to correct that and reconnect when done. So no correction is done to subs only what you input is mini dsp.
You know, this is something I’ve actually wanted to experiment with and I haven’t done so yet. It would also potentially negate the need for the $20 Audyssey app and would be especially handy for those older receivers that don’t offer app functionality.
@@HomeTheaterGamer thanks. I'm new to this so I wasn't really sure if that would work or not. But just got my umik and mini dsp so I think I will have to give it a try
@@HomeTheaterGamer Hey! Did you try it - unplugging the subs, then Audyssey and plugging them back?
I just gave this a shot (unplugging/disabling the subwoofers then running Audyssey) and... it didn't work. I ran through Audyssey and when you re-enable the subwoofer under manual setup, it disables Audyssey and locks out any adjustments you can make within the Audyssey menu (such as DynamicEQ and Dynamic Volume). Basically and unfortunately, this method was a no-go.
When running audysesey again do we skip the sub measure part?
This is my question too? I am confused because Audyssey will change my trim and distance measurement so do I change that back or?
When I ran Audyssey MultEQ Xt32 it said my sub levels are too loud. Is it good to ignore this and leave the level where it is?
Did you figure out the answer for this? I assume we just leave it where it is or possibly adjust the level in the input of the miniDSP to get ~-10 to -11 trim level from the Denon AVR?
@@JeffreyFrye I believe I ignored Audyssey and left the subs where I set them. I am going to be doing this again in a week, so I will let you know how it goes.
so my Denon x7200WA does not support the app. Should I not bother to try calibrating using this tutorial, since you say it can give all sorts of problems running aydessey after rew
If you want to use an EQ curve using the miniDSP, then unfortunately that is probably my recommendation. Audyssey will undo all the hard work you put into get a nice EQ curve on your subwoofer using REW+miniDSP and flatten the subwoofer response out. However, if you're someone who likes to use DynamicEQ, then you could bypass doing an EQ curve in the minDSP and just try to EQ it as flat as possible.
@@HomeTheaterGamer its just that home theatre guru doesn’t mention this when he reach the step to run calibration so when I saw your video which is much more easy to follow, I was sad to hear that I couldn’t use it. I have ordered a professional calibration of my system with mini dsp so I’m curious about how he will do that
Is it actually necessary to run Audyssey again? If i had all the settings properly before calibrating with minidsp( all the channels calibrated etc) and i only changed the crossover for mains to match the subs...but all the other settings on receiver remained the same...?
If i just "disable" that rc for subs from Audyssey, then basically all the other settings are still the same....am i wrong?
It's technically not necessary to go through Audyssey again after getting the subs dialed in, especially if you already have the app and can just disable the EQ on the subwoofer.
@@HomeTheaterGamer i do have the app, and remember using it before but for some reason when opened the app, it was just blank...no profiles no nothing..like i've never used it before.
Shouldn't that app communicate with receiver and show me if there's already Audyssey profile? Or does it show on the app only, if i've used the Audyssey by the app...? Because now it looks like that i need to run the Audyssey by the app to disable the EQ on the sub...😕
Maybe Im wrong but when you reduce to 20hz the multi frequiency eq range, what you are doing is canceling all the eq that you perform with Audysey. As far as I know (and maybe Im wrong), with that option what you are doing is especifing the range where you want to apply room correction that Audysey has done, if you go to 20hz basically you are telling Audysey to do nothing. comments?
Pretty sure in this case we are just using Audyssey to room correct the speakers and leave the subwoofer alone since we have already done that with REW +miniDSP much better than Audyssey could.
Is there an automatic room correction plugin like Audysee MultEQ for miniDSP?
You can upgrade to the DDRC24 which supports Dirac Live 3.0. Mini DSP even has a tutorial for setting up subs with it.
@@dtmaciolek Does the onboard Dirac Live guide you through the calibration process and is the model generated automatically or must it be manual? I'm no audio pro.
@@StevenVachon It guides you pretty well. There still is some knowledge needed to make everything work. Its definitely not fully automatic.
@@dtmaciolek Is it as simple as Audyssey, maybe?
@@StevenVachon It is more like that, but you still need to create filters and adjust some settings in the AVR.
I find if you measure the subs with Minidsp no Audyssey nothing in the minidsp settings all flat measure each sub separately align them to be a flat response as possible then run Audyssey let it do its thing then come back to minidsp and measure both subs together that way I find Audyssey will not interfere with the mini dsp settings I find this the most practical way of setting up a minidsp into any system be it Audyssey, Yapo or anything else you might be using. This has been the way I have been going about it and it works I doubt turning off subs in the editor will be a total wasted effort just dont do it. Then all that remains is for you to integrate the mains with the subs for the best crossover job done no stress no fuss.
Which parts do I need if I only have 1 sub?
Basically all the parts NOT dealing with time alignment of the subs with one another. Everything else still applies even for a single subwoofer.
Why not just unplug the subs from the receiver, run Audessey and then plug them bsck in??
Unfortunately when doing that and re-enabling the subwoofer in the receiver menu after, Audyssey won’t allow you to engage room correction as it detects a system change.
@@HomeTheaterGamer I see. Thank you very much for the reply! I've been loving your videos! About to get a second Rythmik sub with a mini dsp. Can't wait to try it out!!
It’s not that easy you need a computer nerd or engineer to figure it out
2min blabla intro, I move away.... Bye
Delightful news for someone who cares.
And by not even having two minutes or the ability to simply skip the intro you missed the opportunity to improve your systems bass…🙄
Last I checked, time stamps/chapters are clearly labeled on the video and have been since day one, so the ability to easily skip past the intro, disclaimers and subscribe stuff is there. If you didn’t see that or don’t know how to use it, that’s on you.