Do Car Speakers Sound Better than Regular Bookshelf Speakers?
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My parents had a "console" system from the late 1950's that I updated decades ago (only saved the cabinet) ... the speakers behind the non-removable grills were Philco (Ford) 6x9's with wizzer cones...
What was the name of the formula for enclosures - where can I find it?
would an external crossover have helped if they were wired up to the crossover directly ? like in a component set up not a coaxial ?! i read alot of reviews saying the coaxials are a bit disappointing, but component speakers tend to get more favorable reviews on sound quality. Probably going to get someone to make me a small stereo using marine grade car components, shopping around for now just sorting though stuff,. loved the video, have a great day !
When I was a kid, I made a pair of shoe boxes using 6x9 car speakers and a cheap Lafayette amplifier. at the time I thought it sounded great! 😆
We have low expectations as teens!
Well, as a beginner mechanic back in the 80's, my boss took that 6x9 Jensen & cut the proper hole into an AC-Delco box, mounted the speaker with only sealant & it sounded fantastic compared to the cheap speaker in the small am FM radio! Filled the shop with nice warm sound!
I did the same thing 😂
Ofc you thought It sounded great because you put it together yourself😭 you was proud that it worked
I did something similar using a size 12 walmart shoe box and some old IBM speakers and a Dell amp. There was ABSOLUTELY nothing under 150Hz, but it was still pretty good for 5 watts. It basically sounded like some cheap early 80's bookshelf speakers. 😂
In a car, the door acts as a large baffle. If you want to put car audio drivers in a small enclosure, you need baffle step compensation in the crossover. That is why you are getting all mid and high frequencies with no bass.
Car audio speakers actually work pretty well when used as in-wall speakers, with a little EQ from an AV receiver.
Was gonna say this. Almost all car speakers have a qts over .50.
Would polyfil do the trick?
will it sound good in open air
the presenter shud hv used a better component speaker with seprte mid range and tweeter. it wud sound better
Thanks for this 'experiment'. Reminds me of my first system I rigged when I was a teen. Two 6x9 2-way Alpine car speakers and a Blaupunkt car radio cassette player powered by a 12V 5A power adapter. All mounted in a plywood enclosure I made (like giant boombox). Hardest part was to make oval cutouts with the tools I had. Sounded bad but not awful. It was fun. Listened to it for few months then the cassette player died. Used the speakers to 'upgrade' my father's Oldsmobile. 😀
I used pioneer components in custom enclosures for my entire surround sound system and it sounded great.
Back in the early 80s I had big home speakers in the back of a couple of hatchbacks. They sounded great.
My friends big brother hooked up two house speakers in his station wagon in the late 80s. It was hilarious but he had some bass.
In the mid-80’s I had a couple of mid 70’s era wooden heavy duty 12” 3-way home audio speakers that I was laying in the hatch of a 1980 Chevette that I could pull out of the hatch back and set on the ground so we could listen to music at the park while playing hackey sack, throwing frisbees, or while partying by the river, lol. They sounded great from what I remember.
I think most of us did that
The best sounding Hi-Fi setup I have heard uses three-way 6x9 car speakers with no baffles (as in just the speaker) along with a subwoofer. Place the speakers at ear height 2 feet from the wall and EQ the amp or source to linearize the frequency response. The sound stage and voicing from this no baffle set up when dialed in correctly is amazing. The reflected sounds from the back of the speaker cones arrives several milliseconds later at the listening position due to phase and distance which makes the sound lush and dimensional. Also, there is an Atmos like effect going on due to the rear of the speaker cone radiating sound in all directions, Walsh style. Again, I say that the best sounding Hi-Fi setup I have heard uses three-way 6x9 car speakers with no baffles along with a subwoofer. Probably the closest I have heard that compares are a pair of Devialet Phantoms. Most amps probably do not have enough EQ to pull this off as up to 30 dB of adjustment is needed to line up everything. Search for "Nvarcher Bluetooth 5.0 DSP Audio Amplifier" on ali exp. This 20$ DSP module has enough adjustment copiabilities. I told you all you need to know so if you don't act, then you will be doomed to an eternal sub optimal listening experience.
You just confirmed my teenage experience. Back when I was 12 years old I salvaged a flood damaged pioneer receiver. Cleaned out the mud. Cleaning the controls and tuning cap was fun. Replaced internal fuses and it worked. So I replaced the front glass (broken when it fell during the flood) and used it in my bedroom until I left home. My first speakers were cheap car speakers from a swap meet then slightly better car speakers and finally a pair of mid-tier large Radio Shack bookshelf speakers on A and B was a pair of small Radio Shack realistic minimus 7's (at the time I couldn't decide which were better...).
Cool story!
Back in the mid 80s when I was 15, I rescued a 70s pioneer receiver from a dumpster. Just needed 2 internal fuses. I made my own RadioShack speakers that probably didn't sound very good but I was just so happy with myself.
Fun stuff...reminds me of when I was in high school. I mix matched speakers and enclosures all the time. I had a buddy that took out the back seats in his old car and set up 2 12inch home stereo speaker enclosures lol. We were jobless and just wanted stereo. Late 80's were a fun time.
Did you read my mind? I was just asking myself this question yesterday... A coaxial car speaker will basically turn any speaker into a KEF, right?😄
There is 7 billion people on the planet. Probability of thinking about that is not even that small.-
Depends on how you tune it.
Have you seen the build quality of a KEF driver?
@@stephennarayan Means nothing. Car stereo drivers are better quality.
@@stephennarayan that's the joke
Randy, you could make a LOT of content doing stuff like this. I've generally considered car audio drivers to be overpriced due to markup, but then again I've done some installs in vehicles where the final result blew me away for the price. I'm currently in the middle of the fence between using the easy, accepted way of doing car audio (Crutchfield / premade packs), and doing it all custom, buying raw parts from parts express (and sometimes 3d printing vehicle specific adapters and pods) and making something super unique, but of course that comes with a much bigger possibility of catastrophic failure.
What about putting home bookshelves into a car.That might sound great.
@@spandel100 I'm sure it would sound awesome. The issue would be fitment lol, unless you just mean the drivers.
@@Spaniard47 Place them lying on their sides behind the rear seats,on top of the backboard(if you have one).👍
I always wondered how the market is for 3rd party head units to replace factory ones these days. Back in the 1970s, 80s, and 90s, replacing the "radio" wasn't hard, but today everything seems so integrated with lots of complicated wire harnesses some of which might control other functions, I wonder if many people mess with them other than just maybe upgrading the speakers. Of course Crutchfield is still in business, so maybe I'm underestimating that market today.
@@rosswarren436 that's a great point, and a big reason I'm worried for the future of car audio. Before 2015 or so, most cars had standalone head units that could be removed and replaced with a couple hours and less than ~$50 worth of brackets and harnesses. Now, the electronics systems are so interconnected that there often isn't really a head unit to remove; the entire car is one huge conglomeration of systems. Pair that with the baffling trend of adding as many drivers as possible to the car (since more = better to the average consumer), and you have many vehicles that are basically non-upgradable. That is unless you go the route of doing it fully custom: buying unique raw parts, fabricating your own speaker locations, running all of your own cables, everything. It's an interesting conundrum.
Awesome review!!! That was really fun and something I’ve wanted to do for a long while now! Thank you for confirming this would be more involved and technical than just a driver swap!!! Loved it! Thank you Randy!!!!
Car speakers are designed for an infinite baffle (e.g. car door) and generally have a high Qts as such. I did a similar experiment with some JL coaxials a few years ago and found that in a box they sounded like poo, but then I made an open box with a backing (to mimic a car door) and they sounded much better. Audiophile, no, but at least they had a much better (any) bass response.
Dayton actually makes a really nice assortment of speakers. Prices for a lot of budgets and applications. I've always been really pleased with them.
Bought a set of their 6-1/2" 2 way outdoor speakers for a friend. They sound great
Randy, this is what makes your channel not only different but enjoyable to watch. Plus, a lot of people on jumping on to your channel by it’s subscriber’s number. You were celebrating 100k just a short while ago and now at 150+ shows your content is what’s bringing people on board.
Chris
When I was into car audio I ran components in enclosures. Custom kick panels up front. Makes a world of difference.
Back in the early '80s I actually took home audio speaker components and installed them in my '77 Camaro Z28 door panels. Actually had to use a cutting torch to make holes in the door since there were no factory speakers there 😂... Don't remember exactly what I had to power them, but I think it was one of those awful Jet Sound under dash EQ/power amps 😂. Sounded pretty good for 1982 listening to Iron Maiden lol.
This is an a abso-fracking-lutely superb comment.
Maiden makes everything better.
Hooked up an Allegro home speaker in my Dodge Colt back in 1989. Took up pretty much the majority of the back seat. Sounded great to my 21 year old ears. . I also listened to a lot of hard rock and metal at the time and that system rocked. Lol
Common realities for a lot of us back then.
Interesting. I've been curious about a build like this with Emotiva's ceiling speakers. I don't know why I never thought of car speakers. Thanks for the build!
I had some 6.5 inch 2 way Kenwoods (XR-1701) that sound amazing in my car. Most people would probably shy away at $150 for a pair to put in a box (twice what his costs), but the results would probably be fantastic. Mind you, the speakers in a car typically use the inside of the dash or door compartments as a "box", so you need to err on the side of larger is better. Most car doors are on the order of several cubic feet inside. Those numbers you plug into a program for speaker designs are the minimum recommended box size as well. This is why a 5 or 6 inch speaker in a tower or large box generally sounds a little better.
All of that said, don't believe the specs. They all fall off a cliff at about 100hz and a sub is a massive help. He noticed this as well - there was no bass. They are designed such that the rear speakers or sub handles all of the low frequencies.
Takes me back. My first home 'stereo' was the already classic Craig snorkel car 8-track player and two Jensen Traxial car speakers on a bookshelf hooked up to a power converter. I was 14, it was 1975
No need to say how old you were or what year it was. ha ha Mine was Pioneer triaxles connected to a Kenwood KR2600 receiver. In 1977
@@mikeables mine was an inauspicious start to this goofy hobby
This is hilarious. I love it. This is something that I would tinker around with when I was in high school. In fact, I did this exact same thing as well as in reverse, putting some home speaker things in my car. This brings back memories.
Whaaaaat? No Kraco power booster? All the rage in our ghetto DIY car stereo setups in the '80s.
I Love messing with speakers and enclosures, swapping things around just to see what works. Cool vid. BTW I got my Scss-5's in today open box from Amazon paid $68, they were flawless not a scratch on them. Paired them with Ayima a08.
so glad you did a video on this there is so much money to be saved in using your old high end car audio in the house good on you bud before i purchased a few store bought subwoofers i built some myself i used 4 high end 4ohm subwoofers in 8 ohms, 2 per cabinet and used an old 140 watt x2 home theatre receiver to power them cost me $60 for the MDF i am also thinking about using a couple sets of high end component sets as hight speakers they have real beryllium tweeters
LOVE THIS... takes me back to college days. To be honest... GOOD car speakers are more expensive than many home speakers add cost of cabinet, they no longer make financial sense. But yes... in my young days i had more time than money built a decent pair using old 6x9s and left over particle board.
I had a set of Jensen Triax 6x9'd left over from a job so I built a set of scaled down Klipsch Cornwall cabinets out of some scrap 3/4" marine plywood I had on hand. Banana jacks in the rear and sprayed flat black I plugged them into a Sonic Impact 10w amp with a BT adaptor and OMG, they sounded like a set of Altec Lancing studio monitors. I then hooked them up to my old Sherwood 9910 receiver and they really came to life. What a treat, bright, encompassing and a full bodied sound they were a joy to listen to. I still use them for an outdoor projection screen and they sound great and are tough as nails. Add a port to you cabinets, it will make all the difference.
One of those things I'd always wondered about, thanks for taking one for the team!
My comment would start the same as so many others: "When I was a teenager..."
This kind of experiment is perfectly suited for curious teenagers with limited funds, limited experience, excessive energy and curiosity.
And...for many of us older people, there were limited available options in the 70s,80s,90s. 25-50 years ago, the world was less globalized and consumers were further isolated from producers. You couldn't find cheap components on ali express and have them shipped from wherever, you were reliant on whatever the import distributer made available, with each link of the import chain adding to the price.
It is incredible these days, the quality gear we have access to at amazing prices.
Very interesting project. Took me back to '86 when I called myself mounting some 6.5" car speakers from Radio Shack or Auto Zone (can't remember where the purchase was actually from) for a boombox. Talk about didn't fit, looked crazy, but was it LOUD and bass heavy!! Your experiment looked waaayyyy cooler than mine for sure!
I've done that with some 6 1/2" component car speakers. Found the approximate specs online to build a sealed enclosure for them. After using a resistor to tame the highs it sounded decent but still lacked bass response so I got some cheap 6 1/2" subwoofers in proper ported boxes with crossovers to set under them. That made a big difference in that they sounded quite good after that.
You needed pioneer car speakers. Their 6x9 are rated and actually truthful to go down to the 20 Hertz-es. Their 5 1/4 are rated at something ridiculous like low 30hz.
Glad to see this. While not a car speaker I have thought about using the Emotiva Vaulta In-Ceiling to make a bookshelf speaker. Let's see that video.
It was a great idea. Saved many people from wasting their time trying this. Thank you Randy!
I’ve often wondered how the Hertz Mille Legend MLK 1650.3’s that are in my Truck would compare to any of my home audio speakers. The Hertz Mille Legends are components and sound amazing in my truck. Much higher quality (and cost) than the Rockford’s.
Thanks for the video, it was a fun experiment.
Don't wear your watch while you are around speaker magnets mate, it will bugger it up. Love the channel, John from England, like you a breitling man.
Do magnetic fields really damage mechanical timepieces?
@@peterlarkin762
Yes magnets will definitely damage your watch, particularly mechanical pieces as you say.
Some watches are shielded usually by a soft iron ring inside the case, but not many.
If you do magnetise your watch it will start loosing or gaining large amounts of time or even stop.
It can be repaired but it means a full strip down and service, they pass the part's through a coil to un magnatise them. Problem is its going to cost hundreds, my cronomat is £700 od for a full service, so it's better to be safe.
Quartz watches are much less at risk, some will tell you they're OK but there are plenty of steel parts in a quartz movement and the likely outcome is a slight loss of accuracy.
Hope this helps you out.
All the best, John
Watches can be magnetized fairly easily, but they can also be demagnetized fairly easily with a ten dollar tool from Amazon. I’ve never heard of them needing to be stripped down over magnetism.
It's most likely Quarts, not affected by the magnet.
@@Sethw1984 Yes you can just pass the complete watch through a coil, you can easily make the coil yourself but it won't do such a good job as stripping it down, and it is unlikely to restore it to full accuracy.
If you are dealing with a cheap watch fair enough give it a go but a decent time piece, I suppose it depends on how much you care about it and how easily you can replace it.
My Breitlings always go back to Breitling for any work, shure it's expensive but they come back like new. My cronomat runs to a couple of seconds a week and my sea wolf to around five seconds a week.
They took a life time of saving to get, I'm just a ordinary working class guy, I wouldn't dare put a ten quid amazon tool in the same room as them.
Any of my other stuff, Tag, Oris, Roamer etc goes to Goldsmiths excellent workshops.
That's just me, at the end of the day your watches, your money, your decision.
This was fun, thanks for spending the time and effort!
I actually built speakers for my work bench using Ford OEM Door Speakers, I built the cabinet with 3/4” plywood and estimated its size by the volume of the door cavity, I sealed the box with RTV, I was always impressed with sound of these speakers for what they were, they had a good bass response.
You need those resonant frequencies, the cabinet can be as important, if not more important than the speakers by themselves.
Really enjoyed this "Randy the Mad Scientist" episode.
Tried a similar experiment with cheaper components. End result were a set of squeakers, not speakers. Left them behind when one of the guys in the group house complained I was taking the only stereo when I moved out. :D
I've done that for my garage, but an open baffle. They sounded great.
I once had an old Sony Trinitron TV that finally died and rather than try to carry this monster to the dumpster I decided to dismantle and take it out in pieces. It had two 2.75" full range drivers and the magnets were REALLY heavy so I put them in an old pair of cheap Kenwood enclosures that had blown speakers and they sounded pretty good!
i removed the speakers from a chinese 32 inch tv since they sound terrible anyway, they were extremely small and even advertised as "harman kardon" in some firmware
but i would also say that the tv had a wrong speaker size setting in the service menu that made it sound worse than what it already is
The original Dayton speaker has a much heavier cone which increases bass response at the expense of efficiency. The large magnet helps bring it back some, but will be no where near the efficiency of a car speaker. Car speakers are designed on totally different principles. That's why you can't just throw one in an enclosure. Generally car speakers have a lighter cone, a higher Q(weaker magnet), and a stiffer suspension to mimic being mounted in an enclosure. Considering these parameters, a larger, ported enclosure would be optimal.
I had a pair of car speakers in a home made box in college. Didn't have a lot of money then. They worked and that's about all I could say about them. Even used a car amp for them and had a converter all hooked up to a disk man.
We did the other way in the 80’s. My brother put bookshelf speakers in the car in the back window. It rocked
i made with my father a homemade bluetooth speaker with two 6x5 speakers from B.buster 4 way speakers (two super twitters, one twetter/mid, an the woofer), amplified with a TPA 3116 D2 class D amplifier, with bluetooth on board. Actually sounds amazing, i cant believe that the sound it's very clear and detailed. the box it's from wood handmade too, with air vents for the speakers.
Nice video and great change of pace with a fun twist. Great to see results after the recent survey. Keep being you and having fun with the channel and having us along for the ride.
Thanks so much!
Back in the late 80's I had a pair of fairy cheep Audiovox 6X9 tri axle speakers. I put them in a old 2-way speaker enclosure. I did roughly the same as you, I didn't use the crossover. But what I did was get new terminals for the back. also cut out the original speaker baffle. Put a new piece of wood in for the baffle and I also had to counter sink the opening to get a flush mount for the speakers. The wood was pressboard like the rest of the enclosure. It cost me like $20 or $25 for the wood and terminals. I was able to use the 6X9 grills also. For what it's worth, they sounded pretty damn good and didn't cost me much to do the mod.
Surprisingly some car speakers are actually built really well even some of the cheaper speakers. They have to withstand temperature extremes and vibrations and humidity. Some are built extremely well. I have some old fosgate 6.5 inch speakers from the mid 90's and I have had them in sealed enclosures before and they actually produce clear mids and plenty of low end.
If you left the Dayton speaker intact and allowed the original woofer to be a passive radiator then made a separate opening for the car speaker you'd have success. Did this years ago with an old pair of home speakers. Made a crude 6x9 opening on top of the home speakers for some Jensen car speakers. Worked excellent !! Whiskey may have had something to do with my assessment of excellent tho.
This is a trick that almost all coaxial towers use. Larger box, passive radiator, great results.
Exact opposite of car speakers in existing cabinets here. In the mid 1970s I made an MDF "plank" with 2 circular cutouts for 8" home speakers that fit exactly over the small cargo space behind the back seat of my 1968 VW Beetle. Had an 8-track with FM (8-track was broken, I hated 8-track) that had a fairly powerful amp in it. Very loud with lots of bass in that small car. The 8" drivers had a treated cloth surround, large magnets and "whizzer" cones to try to make them "Full Range Speakers". No Science involved, just what I could cobble together. Was fun.
You performed a service today and no doubt saved thousands of people the trouble.
The last car speakers I fought with were Polk Audio 6x9 3 ways. Can't remember the model... 125W peak I think. I had a kenwood head unit and found out pretty quickly I needed an amp to drive them... Keep in mind, I was driving a 2006 mercury grand marquis at the time... but I like loud clean sounding metal. In the store displays, the PA's had a really nice sound for what I played. I installed the speakers with stock wiring and the HU only and it sounded ok, but would overheat and shut down after not that long at a higher volume... got a kenwood 4x80W amp, had it installed along with trunk to speaker wiring (14awg I think, 4AWG for power)... overheated after about 30 minutes into my first commute to work (commute was an hour). Got a massive audio 4x100W amp... made it 45 minutes. Bought an old school RF 800a4 amp (4x100w RMS) off ebay, luckily it actually worked and had the end caps still. Wow... those 6x9's would POUND! Loud enough to hurt my ears. Very crisp sound! Took forever to get the EQ set right, but it was worth it. I moved that system from one grand marquis to another when I got another (I had 3 of them in a row) until they stopped making them. Sold the car, but all I kept was the amp. Didn't feel like ripping open the doors again and messing with the speakers... they served their purpose for me for 8 years of abuse.
Anyway, probably a better caliber of car speaker would work in the house and may have to get creative with the EQ to get them to sound right.
I typed all that just to say, it might take more effort than it's worth. lol!
Hey, love your videos! Thanks.
Tried to make an open baffle midbass arrays, each with 4 pcs of peerles 6,5" paper cones. Sounded boring and peaky. Then tried with 4 (8) cheap midbass door speakers from reckhorn. That sounded just amazing!! Now with kick in the bass and smooth midrange.
I believe that it is due to the t/s parameters. Doors may have somewhat same properties as open baffles.. or vice versa.
Also, I tried what you did in this video, some time ago. But in sealed altec Lansing bookshelves, and using the existing crossover, and tweeter.
No bass either. The rest was ok.
Then added a scanspeak 4" acoustic valve. That worked much better!
They just needed less resistance.
door speakers are very hard to get bass from but they are great for mids and highs. My old hobby used to be retrofitting old worn out speaker cabinets with car audio and I have had good results. Still have a few of them maybe Ill do a video on them later. The trick for big speakers is find good solid wood heavy cabinets with a lot of cubic space for the woofer.
Awesome video! I actually had asked on the survey if you'd ever considered reviewing "cheap" car audio but thought that may be difficult (unless you had say, a car used as a "jig" for testing, but then the install/uninstall process might be a...pain...) This could be a way to negate that arduous process, though, somewhat.
I used a car subwoofer in a home sub box for years and it sounded great.
They make high end car speakers.
This is a cool idea. I'm a klipsch man myself. Have a 7.2 surround sound system from them and it is nuts! Clean all the to full volume and enough to rattle the gutters on the house lol
My parents still have a pair of 6" oval 3-way car speakers mounted high in the wall in their bedroom. They sound great!
Those factory replacements are bottom end speakers at around $30 each and distort easily. Of course the sound is shallow and weak, no matter the application. However, the last Fosgates I purchased were about $350 and included actual crossovers. They sounded VASTLY different. Very nice. But these better built car speakers are still in need of a subwoofer.
No surprise with the outcome here.
I once did the same thing with Pioneers best four-ways in some sealed enclosures. Again, with a sub, I thought they sounded really good and hung 4 of these up in the corners of my living room.
Call me crazy and lazy... I really did enjoy them! 👋
No matter the sound. I loved going on this journey with you! Fun stuff. :)
I had some Infinity 6 1/2 triaxials with Emit tweeters in my Mustang. I removed them and made some boxes for them. They actually sounded pretty good. I knew they wouldn't have very deep bass. However with some bass boost and a bit of eq they sounded much better. I had them in my garage for a few years and sold them to a friend who put the boxes with a sub into his Jeep.
I bought two cyber acoustics powered subwoofer for computers from a thrift shop, removed the subwoofer and used the enclosure for cerwin vega 3-way 6.5" coaxial removed some of the wood to enlarge the opening to get the speaker to fit, I left the power amp inside, sounds a lot better than my previous bookshelf speakers
Back in my highschool days, connected a pair of Jensen car triaxs to the outputs of an open back Fender Music master bass tube amp. The amps EQ was just one tone knob but it didn't sound too bad. Sounded better than most stereo amps in direct mode today.
my father in the 70s put the 1st edition of those jenson triaxs in a set of speaker cabinets the size of the L300s for shits and giggles and man did they sound good at the time he had the L100s in the bedroom and the 3 panel magnipans in the living room so lots of high end to compare it to at the time
Good idea. I’ve thought of this, but with a JL W6 subwoofer since good home audio subwoofers are expensive.
Back in the 90s, I had Boston Acoustics 5.2 Pro auto speakers in my 89 Honda CRX. I sold the car later and removed the speakers because they were pretty darn expensive for the time. Probably $250? Out of curiosity I put them in a .5ft3 sealed box with an Adcom GFA-555 driving them. They sounded pretty darn good. But they were separates with outboard crossovers and very good parts.
You can still get component sets with a midbass driver, and a tweeter, with a separate passive crossover for decently cheap. Put those in a bookshelf size sealed enclosure and it should sound great. I've seen people use car audio stuff inside with great results, and people that used home theater stuff in car audio with great results. It all depends on your knowledge of the science behind audio performance. If you have a good grasp on the science, and some engineering and building skills, anything is possible.
Funny thing about car speakers, I think they are not designed to cover a full range because of their free air nature.
But the best sounding audio I've come up with in a car was with 4x6.5 inch JVC ($20 a pair) Walmart speakers paired with a 10" subwoofer (cheap pioneer) in a sealed enclosure. The crossover to the 6.5 was set at 120, they very adequately provided the thump sound for the bass making the whole system sound very fast and reactive to bass. They were phenomenal at eliminating any muddy sound it was so bright. A fun song to demo the range was sensual seduction. The saddest thing was my car audio crushed anything I had ever managed to setup at home.
Good experiment 👏😁
I have a pair of in wall speakers that I’m thinking of putting into some old boxes currently containing damaged drivers 😬😉
That was cool. Keep rocking mate
I hooked up two Infinty Kappa 6x9s and a Kenwood 12 to a home stereo back in the early 90s. Lol It worked
When I was younger and poorer, i made rear surrounds using some Radio shack ancient 4" 2 way speakers - built a pair of small sealed enclosures for it and it served me well for quite some time - good clarity on mids is great for surrounds. but of course for music they were lacking bass of course and rather shrill/shouty on the high end with the cheap paper tweeter.
but there are exceptions. Paul Carmody made a 6.5" bookshelf using a car audio woofer and he was blown away by the performance, and highly recommended it - but of course you still have to design a crossover in that case.
used to take Pyramid 12 inch woofers and sub woofers and put them in speaker cabinets and use them in my shop. The bass hit a lot harder and was more directional. I had towers in the 4 corners about 8 feet up on the shelves and in the center of the shop you could feel the bass hit. Center of the shop was about 20 feet away from the corners. Driven with a Kenwood receiver and amp.
I've used hifi speakers in cars , in the wooden enclosure as well .
Seemed fine the other way round
I've used my old Alpine type R subs as garage speakers. They certainly get the job done. Peerless makes some decent drivers for DIY projects.
I did Infact enjoy hanging out with you for the experiment. It was worth recording sir.
I love speaker experiments.
Ive done this a couple of times over the years to have something for my shop. Similar results LOL !
I used a pair of Pioneer 4x6" 3-Ways for a center channel for a looong time mounted just above the TV. Imaging was great for voices which I pay the most attention to.
Edit: They were in a slightly large mdf poly filled box, no porting.
Hey
I did too
Above the TV though? Seems like it would be off axis somehow
@@zardoz2627 if your tv is at the proper height it's not much (if at all) different than having it below.
I get better bass from my car speakers when I use Sith Audio Bass Enhancer Wipes. They clean, shine and protect all my speakers! Get some today! Great video CAM :-)
I snipped the wire that had a cap that went to the tweeters on a set of 6.5 kicker coaxs for this purpose and they rocked for woofers and lows mids.
I have done something similar to this, I used pyramid 8 inch woofers with 50 ounce magnets to replace the woofers in Bose 301s.I thought I made a big mistake as they sounded terrible, but the more I play them the better they get. Now they sound much better than the original Bose.
That’s because Dollar General store speakers are an Upgrade to Bose.
I did the same with GW poly woofers....they too, at first sounded weak. After a decent break-in, they sound powerful and clean! BTW how about the pathetic little square magnets on the Bose woofers?...maybe 8 oz. at best!
I have a feeling that in addition to those Rockfords being cheap, they are counting on enhanced bass from the resonance of the door panel and cavity. And yes, the road noise. On the other hand, I am old school. The "music" coming from your car should be properly generated by the engine and the exhaust note. Damn, I miss the whine of the rotary in my old RX-7.
My main speakers, AR Phantom 8.3 (probably the last decent gear that AR made, before they went all "Recoton" - literally and figuratively), use "Illusion" bass drivers, typically used for car audio. They're very shallow, with the magnet assembly in front of the cone. They sound good to me!
That's crazy! I literally just started thinking about this & it popped up
Thanks for saving me the fun. Great video.
great great innovative and a different kind of music video. Appreciated.
Glad you liked it!
I used car audio speakers in TL enclosure, and think the value for money is exceptional., they certainly do not suffer from lack of bass. But I suspect the drivers are higher quality than you used. they are Hertz 165 dual concentric 2 ways. I don't use them all the time, but they are great party speaker, very efficient and well balanced.
My son got two pairs those installed on his 2001 Celica (front and back). For bass, he has a 12" sub with 200 watts. They actually sound pretty good in his car. You should try the speakers with a sub to see if it makes the speaker more like a satellite/sub combo.
I have a pair of Pioneer 4-way 6x9s in carpeted mdf boxes doing duty for a simple tv setup. They work fine and occasionally sound great, though they lack decent bass. The highs are very nice as they feature Pioneer's super tweeter.
Put them in a Transmission line cabinet.
I think my old Alfasud kicked out at least 95 decibels at 40mph what with the leaky seals and exhaust thump so I’d need lots of help with mid and top end ! Super smashing nice video again. 😊
I use car audio subwoofers all the time in my home. I usually get a cheaper sub for the home because they sound great with home audio stuff. I just put together a 12 inch sub with a old built in amp from a powered subwoofer that had two tired 6 inch subs That+ was distorting and clipping out. It rocks out.
I have a feeling you knew the results making this video and did it as a service saving others time to do such a thing. I did it years ago and got basically the result you did.
Back when I built my Home Speaker Cabinets in High School back in '92 I first used realistic speakers cause that's what I could afford at the time. But once I had the money a couple years later I installed Rockford Fosgate car speakers and damn did it sound good. I used Rockford 12" subs (in both cabinets) and then a 4" component set for the mids and tweets. At the time my Receiver had a 4 - 8 ohm switch so it wasn't an issue with the 4 ohm speakers.
I did this about 20 years ago with a homemade cabinet . The bass was lacking but the speaker was a very small and narrow oval from Alpine.
Man I had a buddy when I was in high school who built his home set up all out of car stereo equipment. He would get noise complaints from people down the block, and had a hard time even playing music because his CD player would skip so bad due to all the bass. He had two towers with all the component speakers in it. I would love to have known how the hell he did that, as thumping and rumbling a small car is definitely a different task then doing it to a living room. I’m sure my ears weren’t as well adjusted as they are now, but a video about using a decommissioned amazing car stereo in your home would be fun. Especially the bass aspect.
I use Kicker 3way 6x9s for my front height speakers and a kicker 18" L7 sub as my front sub with an acoustic audio amp. All un-ported boxes.
I bought the cheapest car speakers (35€ in 2005) and mounted them in some 30cmx50cmx80cm boxes. I used them with old 2N3055 50W amplifier, TDA1558, all home made and also with a Pioneer, Aiwa and a Panasonic amplifiers. I remember them having a clear bass, and good quality overall. They were 2-way .
I took a pair of vintage 1970s Capehart speakers from a cheap stereo system gutted the original wiring and i took out the original 5 inch speakers and replaced them with some cheap scosche 5.25 4 way speakers from walmart along with some cheap car tweeters. Wired them into the speakers and they sound excellent. I use them for my mid and high speakers along with a pair of Fisher STV-891N 15 inch speakers from 1986 which i use as my subs. I run them off of a Kenwood KR-V7060 AV receiver which has dolby pro logic.
I've always used car speakers for my home entertainment center.
A few 12' subs and so on.
Believe me, I had it banging in there
This was a super fun and interesting one!
I use to have 2 15 pioneers with mids and tweeter house speakers also 2 pioneer 6by9 boy did it sound clean and nice
If you know enough about woodworking, make a adapter to fit the hole in the cabinet, then make a hole the size of the speaker being installed, if you use a 3/8 inch thick board it will work much better and add a small amount of volume, (size not loudness), which will increase bass response at the lower end. If the cab does not have damping material add some to each side to reduce a boomy sound and create a flatter response!
The response can be adjusted with a parametric EQ, not a graphic EQ. Or use a active speaker management system.
I think you should try component drivers with separate crossovers instead of a cheap coaxial with inline filter. You need a "long throw" woofer to get decent bass out of small drivers made for automotive applications. Also those small coaxial speakers are designed to have a shallow mounting depth for fitment into doors. They don't have the luxury of using big magnets with a long throw design.
I went the opposite route. I put Peerless speaker drivers into my car driven by an Alpine amp. Not only is it cheaper than a pair of 3 way split car system, but also sounds really good.
@@Cheapaudioman....... How am I suppose get it?
I once (nineties) designed an enclosure purpose built for the Pioneer TS1750 (I think....It was the TS series, could have been TS2000) And it sounded AWESOME...Built it as a "soundbar" So 2 separate enclosures for L and R but in one piece...It was massive...Ported and all (calculated cab size and ports) It REALLY DID sound awesome...Massive low end also....