eBay intercooler beats Mishimoto performance? Just The Facts (HD)
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- čas přidán 29. 03. 2020
- Olly compares a random ebay intercooler with a Mishimoto z-line.
This test fails to evalueate factors like highspeed fluid flow & other considertations.
I've infact used both intercoolers on the car at this point. I do feel like the mishimoto is built way better.
Mishimoto z-line, bar & plate sytle:
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Ebay equivalent, tube & fin style:
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This was a really good test a lot of channels don't actually show anything they just talk about it
Thanks! I tried to put some engineering ideas behind it.
🤦 the eBay intercooler flows much less. That's why mishimoto got the higher reading under no pressure (the blow drier flowed straight through). Another thing to consider is the temperatures under pressure will change based on restriction of flow. That's where the mishimoto intercooler will shine.
I see there is no shortage of negative feedback on your review. I commend you for the effort of trying your best at giving the people a chance to see some potential facts between two products. Your time spent showing the results have helped me get a clear idea of what I may end up choosing for my truck. Merry Christmas and may You find wisdom and fortune in your future.
Thank you!! Glad you found it helpful
I applaud you for the attempt of trying to measure the air temperature. The biggest flaw is the flow rate the ebay as you call it seems to be more restricted then the mishimoto thus giving you a higher temperature reading. You must also take in the cubic feet per minute. Then compare temp. Plus cfm
I know that inlet is constant but outlet will be different. I do hvac and this is my cup of tea. So if you could get a tool that would measure air velocity. This would help the comparison. Plus you don't want to put 30psi into cooler and recieve 10psi cause its restricted. If you want super efficient go with tube in fin. Wagner makes awesome but super expensive
@@bradleehill9662 I thought bar and plate was the better choice for A2A.and tube and fin being the better for W2A?
@@pointblank6 so efficiently speaking the tube and fin has more surface area, along with faster heat transfer over longer period of time and it does it consistently this is why factory race teams that do endurance style racing wrc layman's use these style of intercooler. This wasn't always the case but bar and plate is great for drag racing due to lots of solid material for heat transfer to occur during your short burst of power so each has a niche in the racing application scene. Alot of people don't quite understand efficiency properly, so for every one unit of measurement you put into your equipment you have that same unit of measurement in return this would be 100 percent efficiency. But if you put in 100,000 and get 90,000 in return that would be 90 percent right well tube and fin is like 90 percent and bar and plate is more like 50, but bar style flows more freely at this time unless you spend a couple thousand on intercooler alone i.e. no piping ect.... hope this helps trying to short hand alot here
That's a great point! Yeah it was a pretty limited test 💀
yes but does ebay channel the air as well creating less restriction/ lag than moshimoto. ebay does seem to have more surface area which can help explain the better cooling numbers
Hard to say! Certainly a good point and an unexplored parameter in the videos
great test, how about dyno result future video?
Possibly! I've been meaning to dyno my Rabbit but $$
Also paint is an added layer of insulation on a material that's supposed to heat conductive. I wonder how the mishimoto would do without paint? Looks like it could be sanded off easily.
Hmm that's a good point. You would have to consider the inside surfaces as well and those wouldn't sand as easily (also I don't want to sand the paint off :D )
Mighty car mods did a test on painted intercoolers. There was no noticeable difference.
It would be worse
islands they had no air going through the intercooler. Paint is an insulator and would make it worse
Thing is your using 2 different intercoolers a bar plate and a tube and fin both have pros and cons you needed to test the Mishimoto tube and fin with this one or a eBay bar and plate with the Mishimoto. Ebay intercoolers I’ve found have bad pressure drops.
That's a good point! There are definitely other pros and cons to consider. I don't have the $$ to test a bunch of intercoolers - just what I had on hand.
My coolant broke on a 2021 Mazda 6 Turbo 2.5t, do you think it will work well on my car?
Afraid I have no idea 😬
you did not standardise the way the air flows onto the thermometer; with the first cooler, you had it set up blowing directly onto the point of the probe, it was set up completely parallel and there was a noticeable gap between the point of the thermometer and the cooler. For the second cooler, you had the thermometer set up at an angle meaning there is more surface area exposed to accept the heat; the thermometer was positioned closer and almost inside the cooler. that's why you got a noticeable increase in the second cooler. try it again standardised and you'll get a different result guaranteed! good try though
Yo! That's an interesting point. It is a meat thermometer though, which is designed to check the temperature using the tip of the probe. In both trials the tip was in the same location, it shouldn't really matter where the rest is. If it worked like you are suggesting and I used it to cook, I would get underdone food depending on how I stuck it in..and I just don't think that's the case! I think there are shortcomings with the set up, like flow speed, air density, etc, but it is very possible the eBay cooler legitimately transfers heat better, and I don't think it's because the thermometers were placed 20 degrees differently.
@@OliverFetter You have a gap between the cold side and the thermometer on the cheap IC but you have the thermometer touching the metal inside the cold side on the mishimoto IC.
you need an apples to apples comparison not a close enough.
The ebay does not Trump the mishimoto. Ebay ic's have absolutely terrible flow rates. Most mishimotos are 1250 cfm and up. The same style ebay ic except 4in core and a little taller I do believe was found to have 700cfm with a consistent curve of increasing pressure drop with every pound added to the inlet. More boost equals more restriction. Not a win at all. I'm pretty sure the higher the atmospheric pressure there is a diffrent rate of heat transfer that Occurs.
Do you have the link to knock off intercooler ?
www.ebay.com/itm/UNIVERSAL-TURBO-FRONT-MOUNT-ALUMINUM-INTERCOOLER-27-x-7-x2-5-Tube-Fin-/222863194440?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292
I'm really not sure if this is it but it looks right! I bought the other one a few years ago in a kit.
black one seems to be less restrictive
not sure why that got disliked :/ I'd agree with you its a bit bigger in diameter as well, thats a good point!
Can I get a link to the Ebay Intercooler?
I looked for it, man! but that specific listing is expired :( I honestly think most of the cheap ones on eBay are the same, you could probably just look at the pictures to match it up!
@@OliverFetter haha, I actually found a link that you commented to someone else so I found the intercooler. I think it will buy the Mitsumoto M-line though because my turbo makes 25psi and after I tune it, I am going to crank it up to 30psi and the M-line can handle up to 32 and it's fairly cheap
@@MitsubishiEclipseGS-T Yo, Glad that worked out! Fair enough sir. For me, the M-line is just a bit too big for my intercooler location. So far, the eBay jank has been holding up to ~30 psi :D sometimes its amazing haha
Only way to test these accurately is to log them working in the real world, on the same car under the same ambient/speed conditions.
That's a fair point. Maybe I'll be able to get it on a dyno and do that one day. I would be super interested to see the results
You would want to perform these tests/comparisons on the street, logging IAT and ambient conditions. Dyno most likely isn't going to have real world airflow. Doing both would be great as well. :)
That's a great suggestion
This is some seriously scientific shit.
I wonder what kind of boost ebay intercooler can handle
So far at least 20 psi on the reg 👍
@@OliverFetter wonder how it would do with 35+
@@aesgarage2804 if you're pushing above 20PSI you should definitely not be looking at cheap parts lol
@@minimumeffortenthusiast8242 haha! Sometimes the inquisitive mind likes to test the odds
@@aesgarage2804 relatable 🤷🏽♂️
Cool video but so many diffrent things could cause this ,, if the Mishi flows better it means the Air makes it through quicker , Both are heat sinks if there is more Ali in the ebay special maybe 30 min isnt enough for heat sink it Hard to tell but i injoyed the video
Definitely not an exhaustive experiment, glad you liked it!
Mishimoto is a bar and plate ebay is atube and fin there different types
Unfortunately this not a proper test.
Sorry, but you didn't test real driving conditions as the airflow in this experiment was quite low. In carm the one which flows worse wll actually cause the turbo to work harder this the air temperature entering the intercoolers will be different.
That's a great point. Certainly I could/should re-do this with a better setup.
Dude, you gotta post affiliate links and get that bread. i would buy this intercooler for my dubb. and you could make some $$ for gas or parts off your channel efforts :) i'll even send u all the affiliate links if you want. XD
You're definitely on to something lol I should probably get on that!
So many flaws in this test. What's really being tested is what it is...how much hair dryer heat can pass through said intercoolers.
Not valid Comparison, all this test is proving is tube and fin is more efficient then bar type intercooler, if you going run this test make sure you testing bar to bar type or tube and fin type, here the real dirty between both intercooler, tube and fin is more efficient is reducing heat, but cons to fin and tube intercooler is they have limited to how much boost you can run before it fails, bar type is least efficient at reducing heat but can handle higher boost pressure
Great points. Limited test for sure.
Lmaooo this isnt a fair comparison at all
What isn't fair? Not the most accurate test but the caveats are given throughout the video!
@@OliverFettertheyre not the same size or style intercoolers
bs test
Bs test?