How America fails its whistleblowers
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
- Whistleblowers who work with classified information have a few options. All of them are bad.
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“Whistleblowing” is when someone exposes a secret in their organization. And in the US, it’s often hailed as a heroic act. But within the government, whistleblowing is often perilous-especially when it involves classified information.
If a whistleblower goes to the media with classified information, that’s illegal. And since the Obama administration, it’s become common for the government to prosecute people who do it by charging them under a law from 1917 that was originally intended to prosecute spies for helping foreign governments. If a whistleblower files a complaint through internal channels instead, the complaint has to go through the head of the intelligence community before it can see the light of day-and after that, there are few protections against disclosing the whistleblower’s identity, and only weak recourses against retaliation.
In August 2019, a CIA officer filed a complaint about an alleged quid pro quo between President Trump and the President of Ukraine. The complaint made it to Congress, and kicked off impeachment proceedings. But the existing laws don’t guarantee that this whistleblower will be protected, either.
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Who goes to jail when you break the law? You do.
Who goes to jail when you catch the government breaking the law? Still you
Just like an authoritarian country, the same nations they swore to fight off.
"I hereby sentence you to life, for telling ppl we murdered alot of dudes"
I kno you have a job secret service why are you going outside your job. He needs to go to Jail.. Especially President people vote for him to make the country better.
PrinzVonLangdelberg I guess America is authoritarian too
@@Just1World I have no idea what that's supposed to mean on a grammatical level
Snowden always reminds me of the quote
"When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you're being ruled by criminals."
Same way is true for people who just want justice.
"Didn't he get into a Snow den to hide from the US government? (Word pun)"
Levin Soh
R/comedycemetery
We are always ruled by criminals.
*Criminals in suits,* disguised as "decent people working for the common good."
Its called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it
Davis Milne 😂😂😂yup
good ol' George Carlin
and yet still better than any other country when it comes to this kinda thing.
Deeeeeeeeeeeep
@@GiRR007 I think some of the other more authoritarian countries have felt vindicated by these kind of events in the USA
An interesting fact is that whistleblowers like Drake,Snowden etc. were charged under the Espionage act, like they said in the video. Now the Espionage Act is fairly unique in the legal system as it is called a “strict liability crime”, basically the government considers this crime worse than murder. If you killed someone you could go to the court and explain why you did that, what motivations were behind that action, if it was self-defense. Whistleblowers instead cannot say anything, the jury can’t decide if they acted to protect the human rights or the constitution. Since the jury is only allowed to consider if you committed a crime, there will never be a fair trial for Whistleblowers in the US. I believe this is fundamentally wrong.
It kind of makes sense. More whistleblowers should be able to bring government wrongdoing to light, but if someone were to actually sell information to foreign governments that could bring harm to US citizens (the blocking of which was the original intent of the EA), they probably shouldn't be given a public trial, as that would give them a chance to expose the information anyway.
They should receive a trial of some sort, but until we can figure that out, we're pretty stuck with having to do what we do now.
Yeah make sense if you guys want to change this
1. Overthrow government (very hard but a lot of support)
2. Protest (which doesn’t work most of the time but if it goes global it might work)
3.end corruption but this one will never end so oh well.
@@georgewbush7021 4. Democracy is obsolete, so change it for a better system (if they can come up with a decent one, and have an overwhelming approval from people)
@@transforgoku America has never been much of a democracy.
@@nathanlevesque7812 Yeah tell that to the 300 something million people who drank the kool-aid...
Land of the free...as long as you bow down to the government
The same can be said about the military lol
you mean the rich
@Renee Speece ??????
It is the land of free. You will understand why when you look at those people living in socialism and communism, bending their knees to their big government. There’s no perfect freedom, and there’s no perfect government with no corruption. That’s why we need fight for our freedom. Fight for transparency. At least we still have a chance to do it.
@Renee Speece wait what??? Are you even an American? This must be a bot.
The whistleblowers are a true heroes in our modern societies.
Unless they are liars
Not whistleblowers, people who value truth above gain are heroes.
@@ericbartol So not the whistleblower on the Ukraine hoax
@@beef-jerky Truth has yet to be determined, or am I wrong?
ZFG Jerky Given the fact that the whistleblower complaint has been backed up by every witness so far, i don’t think you have a good reason to say that the whistleblower was lying
So if government breaks the law still we go to jail Huh
Jyothsna Addanki home of the brave and land of the free!
The government never snitches on themselves, but they want you to snitch on yourself
Elites can be very tight that way.
You guys have been spelling it wrong the whole time, it’s not the “United States”, it’s “New China”.
@@pringers3831 it sure is brave to bomb iraw civilians
The legal way of being whistleblower is pretty much....
Reporting a crime to the person doing the crime
"Uh yeah, after investigating ourselves we found out that we were doing nothing wrong"
@@aurorapaisley7453 my thoughts exactly the moment i heard 'legal whistleblowing' i knew it was a sham
@@markfreeman4727 its like everything's a conspiracy. The whistleblower either loses their jobs or had their lives cut short, it meant something.
reminder that Chelsea Manning is still in prison getting fined $1000 a day and needs to be released
i thought she was pardoned by Obama?
Hassan M'an *she* was, Trumplethinskin had her taken back to prison.
America is corrupt
There is no Chelsea manning . He was in the military which meant you cant be a whistleblower
@@alternateaccount696 Not pardoned, the sentence was commuted and she was allowed release... she is currently in jail for a contempt charge for refusing to cooperate in an investigation into wikileaks (a known Kremlin espionage proxy).
A CITIZEN'S LOYALTY IS TOWARDS THE NATION. NOT GOVERNMENT.
Perhaps, but it is to themselves first.
but ... trump.
More to the basis of what the country was founded upon in our case here in America life liberty and the pursuit of happiness
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I disagree, in that a citizen's loyalty must be earned, not assumed.
The government: “Stop breaking the law.”
Whistleblowers: “Stop breaking the-“
The government: “GO TO JAIL.”
obvious censorship :/
"itS TrUMpS FAuLt" Meanwhile Obama here has the highest espionage act prosecutions of any president.
5:57 Vox: Today he works at an Apple store.
Guy: The price is enormous.
Nation Gurung glad someone noticed
I guess you miss the 6:08 segment of the video : about the people who lost their job because of him.
Also, he did loose all his benefits !
@@choibtc6121 you missed the joke
@@Dimi.g0v I did see what he may imply but reading Viper comment, I think both of them were not sarcastic. Nonetheless, it is not funny
Vox just lost him his second job.
The way she revealed door 3 hit me hard.
onm i thought there was gonna another way to expose corruption but it was the opposite ;/
Same :(
Yeah same
I thought it was gonna be actually working with a foreign government lol
@@nataliarodriguez7049 Accuse me of colluding with a foreign government? I JUST MIGHT
The man destroyed his future and carried just to tell us the truth.
....and then gets treated like a criminal.
Drake didn’t do anything wrong; the documents were unclassified so he should’ve been able to share them with the press without facing retaliation.
Correctio: The government destroyed this man's future and career just because he told the truth.
@@ariefraiser140 Correction: The government destroyed his career , *and also anyone even associated with him* ....
Because he told the truth.
6:08
@@TheAdamGore Correction: The government destroyed his career in the government, and ruined his future and anybody associated with him because he told the truth legally.
Salute to all the whistleblowers. You keep our democracy alive.
Eric Jing & the government officials trying to prosecute them are killing it :(
You keep our SPIRIT alive is more like it.
@BoboThePuppy like the country showing the example of democracy is the biggest autocracy
America was never a democracy, It is a Constitutional Republic, and there will never be a true for the people government, It’s either anarchy, total control, or almost people
"Today [Thomas Drake] works at an Apple store" (5:57). This is how the nation treats honesty, integrity, defending the Constitution.
@Robby Dey Stop spamming comments, you've done this in a comment above this one.
5:57
He works at an apple store.
"The price is enormous"
I cant agree more.
When the government is scared of one person speaking out. They must be speaking the truth
government takes down ISIS videos so they must be speaking the truth...
"What is right is different from what is legal."--Snowden
is a tragedy that the justice system has so little to do with justice
Snowden is a hero
Maybe. I'd put money on him staying quiet if he had been working under a McCain administration. He's a bit of a right wing libertarian. Or at least used to be.
@@brianfox771 you sound like you stay in home too much
@@JonathanBester-eh9cl Have you heard of the country of Spain?
Not even close
@@g.d.graham2446 how, you bootlick the government?
Indonesia never have whistleblowers because they died eventually like magic
Humber Abdulah 😂
What time "orde baru"?
ati ati lho mas
😂😂😂😂😂"MAGIC"
Sateeeeeeee tek tek tek tek
Sadly, you have to accept, currently, that being a whistleblower can mean you lose your job, career, friends, and freedom. We often don't protect people who are trying to protect us.
What Ive learned from this clip: America doesnt follow its constitution, it only follows the white house
And powerful white people
This is America
And the rich, don’t forget about my boys in the 1%
@@plumpy_space_princess who was obama amirite, who is kamala amirite
@@potto1488 yep, yep
As a lawyer, sometimes I am ashamed to tell people just how corrupt the whole global system we work in is
Yep thanks to people like you
jefferson and hamilton are rolling in their respective graves.
Madison especially. Looks like they didn't get the separation of powers or checks and balances thing.
Add George Washington to the mix too!
Tbf, they were probably also rolling in their graves when slavery was abolished 🤷🏾♂️
Ashwin Umapathi they actually were anti slavery but knew it wasn’t the right time to abolish slavery bc there would be a civil war
@@someguyontheinternet7 they were anti slavery...
When exposing a crime is treated as a crime, you are ruled by criminals.
Every country is ruled by criminals
U just copied that I saw the first comment
@Sonic Phil yeah and the first comment was the exact same quote.
It’s absurd that Snowden has to stay in Russia to be safe. Counting down the days until he gets into a “car accident”
Are you still counting?
Going about it the "legal" way seems like a trap to catch potential whistleblowers. Laws for identity protection and retaliation prevention should've been established long ago.
This goes with everyday life too. From elementary schools to Graduate/medical school to even every day to day ordinary day jobs- people who cause a disturbance or make a scene that might reflect poorly upon the organization regardless if they are the victim or not will be overlooked/swept under the rug or put on blast & removed for speaking up and pointing out the inequality
Yep. I tried to divulge my toxic work environment and eventually got fired.
@@plumpy_space_princess Blessing in disguise.
@@WhompingWalrus but now I have no job and I'm considering filing for bankruptcy 🤷🏻♀️
We have the most effective whistleblower protections in the developed world but whistleblowers still get thrown under the bus.
Brilliant.
@@plumpy_space_princess
Definitely file. It was the best thing I ever did.
Don’t feel guilty, THEY HAVE FORCED YOU TO DO THIS.
If this happens to USA whistleblowers, imagine with China ones
Didn't the first chinese whistleblower surface in AUS recently?
They will get green card or American citizenship before leaking secret.
Lol immediate execution?
That's exactly why HKongers were protesting against the extradition law.
The CCP wanted to make sure the whistleblower species went extinct in HK too just like in China.
things like death fo Epstein happen in China every day
I was expecting a massive uproar when Julian Assange was incarcerated but the silence of his deteriorating state is rather deafening...
owlie alim To her credit, Tulsi Gabbard spoke out :)
I believe it is largely due to the fact that he and his activities got Trump elected. He showed himself to be a partisan; happy to go after democrats, complicit with right wing conservatives.
Assange overplayed his hand and lost the bulk of his support. Whistleblowers generally need powerful patrons to survive, but if you get TOO far into your patron's court then you become just a political agent rather than a whistleblower. He lost his neutrality and became a tool, so a lot of people who supported him early on lost interest.
He took sides and now no one is in his. He should have gone after the real power. Multinational companies. But he didn't. He took the information handed to him by Russia and leaked it.
Which, if you look at the early days, multinational companies and their integration with governments and the press were common subjects for wikileaks. But when you go after them, finding allies is difficult. One of the big downfalls of wikileaks was it upset existing news outlets which really hurt their ability to get general support from any population. They went after real power and lost.
"maybe a government program is wasting billions of tax dollars.." uuuh vox, you made me laugh...
@ *maybe*
Government: You don't have to worry if you have got nothing to hide
Us: Yeah, exactly.
This should be called "How America fails."
How America fails in everything
@Robby Dey Stop spamming comments, it's just arrogant, and it doesn't make your point look better.
This video producer is one of my favorites. Every video she's produced recently has become one of my favorites for its well-paced, well-written, interesting AND informative content.
The third door was a grand finale
That Thomas drake story hit me hard 😢
The rich always win.
Time to eat 'em
@Maiahi Because technically all those higher ups are rich
@Maiahi you made me laugh
@Maiahi hmmmmm who do you think controls the government
Tell that to the people of France during their revolution
*Whistleblowers should Be Rewarded instead of punished*
I think whistleblowing to the media is okay if its done to protect people from imminent danger. And there shouldn’t be any repercussions.
“Today he works at an Apple store” his response, “the price is enormous”
I think the American government doesn't want me to see this, cause I just get an infinite loading screen... I can see any other videos in my recommended list but just not this one... Suspicious
I like how I got goosebumps when she said that the door number 3 is "to do nothing at all". These kind of channels give us informations but still, more and more people are being blinded and are still supporting the govt even though they are part of the risks when something goes wrong.
Government of the Government, by the Government, for the Government!
I see it as intimidation to prevent people from being honest. Disgusting!
Why couldn't the whistleblower leave Russia?
He was snowed in.
He went into the Snow Den
When he said "the price is outrageous" I thought he ment the apple products
0:30 That's classified information?
8:09 when I was waiting for the 3rd door it really slapped me in the face when the 3rd option was to do nothing at all.
The vid is almost over and I was waiting for what is door #3, but well yeah, "doing nothing at all" trueness
Imagine going to the government to expose government secrets.
Who made this video?? She did a fantastic job explaining the process of whistleblowers 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
5:57 Today he works at the Applestore.
Drake: The Price is enormous😂
Drake is probably the one leaking all those IPhone models
nrg could be🤔
Us blowers must keep asking questions.
Sounds way wrong, I understand what you mean, but add whistle in the beginning
Vanguard - Whistle us blowers must keep asking questions
@@OurFoundingLiars ...
Us whistleblowers....
That sounds wrong.
It sounds like people should be drinking (you know which white substance I am talking about...)
I've missed these videos.... we need them now more than ever!
Whoever came up with the design-idea of door number three needs a raise. That twist hit me like a truck. Nice work guys
Wow. This was really insightful. Thank you.
I mean that's sort of the point of whistleblowing? When did a government ever go "Oh you pointed out this horrible thing we were doing? Good job, have a biscuit"
"Oh you pointed out this corrupt and illegal part of our government? Good job! Have a bicuit"
Is how it should go.
BadMouseProductions Right, but the executive branch shouldn’t be granted broad powers that stop the judicial branch from ruling that a whistleblower couldn’t do the right thing without breaking the law.
BadMouseProductions Hey! I watch you, nice seeing you here.
CZcams ad featuring Edward Snowden XD
Funny thing about that 1917 Espniiage act, this is exactly what it was written for
Watching a Vox video this early feels like being the first guy that comes to class in the morning
Wow that's so sad it's hard to believe. Thanks for sharing Vox.
1. Leaking 1:19
2. Legal whistleblowing 3:17
3. Doing nothing 8:07
The ominous music in the background at the end of the video is just everything
You forgot the fourth door
Go to the War Thunder Forums
Hi, government, I’d like to report your wrong doing. I expect you’ll hold yourself accountable. *mysteriously found not moving*
And now that Boeing whistleblower is dead, I think it is safe to say that being one is still rather dangerous.
Of course the whistleblower needs to be revealed, just like your tax returns eh Mr Melanoma.
James Davis right to privacy doesn’t make a whole lotta sense when you are president. Every single one of your days is public knowledge on a excel style calendar
James Davis true, but again it’s not his right to privacy, he’s in such a public position it really shouldn’t be a right
Wake me up from this American dream
More like American nightmare.
Into which country’s dream?
You totally got me with the door no 3
Didn't expect that.
We should have expected the last choice.
And there should be a Whistleblower Protection act. and punishes the person who leaks the identity of the whistleblower without their consent.
Hits you hard when you find out the third door is
It’ll push people to not say anything at all? Working as intended.
Excellent description.
I don’t understand how they do things that are completely illegal and then when they get found out, they try to lock the person up forever.
5:56 working in an Apple store is a real punishment.
Edward Snowden is a patriot.
Chelsea Manning is a lesser- known patriot.
This is so informative, as I expected
Amazing work Vox this was special !
7:55 almost like that's exactly the point!
7:32 "The Whistleblower [steps forward] should be revealed"
Trump's clown behaviour makes you forget, how villainous he is.
Chills. Scary to think of what repercussions could come from a door 3 scenario.
I knew what door three was going to be the whole time, but it still gave me chills when she said it. Such a scary reality.
“This is America...”
Moral of the story.....America, you are your own enemy.
Impecable audio and very informative 👍
Great video! Thanks alot!
We have become one of the countries we swore to fight off.
I still very much like the robust institutions of the US, their commitment to protecting freedom of speech. It might not be flawless but when you compare it to the Indian context (especially the contemporary context), it's almost utopian..
So true. But why is no one doing anythig about this? That just shows me there is no hope...
The problem is that the decisions that benefit the majority of people are just ignored and instead of being praised for creating a less corrupt or morally wrong government they are shushed and taken out of the main view.
jesus christ, america makes my head hurt
America makes my heart hurt
Lauren T I love America
@@visorij3374 So do we
FREE ASSANGE
It’s nice to know the inspector general went above and beyond to do it the right American way.
Excellent video, but it left me sad and uneasy.
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"Obama prosecuted more whistleblowers than all other presidents combined".
It truly is. No time in us history has a political party used the heresay of an unknown person to oust out its political opponent because they can't beat him in a fair fight. Not only has the testimonies proven the impeachment inquiries are a scam, it does injustice to real whistleblowers who have real things to report
It is completely within the presidents power to investigate any american citizen, if he or she believes that said person is involved in corruption.
What about anonyms whisteblowers ? is it a solution to protect them ? (in reality i doubt that there is a way where the NSA can't find who is it)
The US government is dusturbing!
They really need a guy like Bernie there!
I can guarantee you that nothings gonna change
@@MghUnit407
Why do you think that?
Bernie's ideas already changed a lot of things in America. He is the amendment king!
He fought for freedom. He demonstrated oppression a lot of times. He even changed Vermont and his chair in Vermont from a Republican state to a blue state.
His ideas begin to form a social movement and he is not even the president yet.
@@someguyontheinternet7
The espionage act should be abolished.
Yes! Put a socialist in power, instead of crony capitalists. That should take care of everything!
Songbird645 lol you sound like a political ad
The world tells you to be honest, but spits at you when that honesty affects them in anyway
Nothing will change about this, because people don't care to change it. Osho gave a great answer when he said "Democracy basically means government by the people, of the people, for the people... But the people are r...".
Reminder that Chelsie is still in prison :3
For doing something many Trump administration members are currently doing. The rules don't apply to everyone, I guess
Lauren T Oh my God, yes!!!