A Crazy Aerobatic Jet You Can't Pass Up | FMS Rafale 80mm
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 8. 07. 2024
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0:00 Introduction
0:44 Setup Info & Ground Handling
1:30 Maiden Takeoff
3:15 Maiden Landing
3:50 Mark's Mustang Landing & Rafale Gear Issues
5:20 Second Flight & Agility Testing
7:20 Pitch Authority
7:58 Nose Gear Inflight Fix & Second Landing
8:32 Third Flight & More Issues
10:44 Nose Gear Inflight Fix & Third Landing
11:12 Fourth Flight
12:28 Inverted High Alpha Pass
13:00 High Alpha Figure 8
14:05 Nose Gear Inflight Fix & Fourth Landing
14:50 Initial Review - ZĂĄbava
glad to see you went for a delta!
they are alot of funđ
Oh and this jet looks awesome and hanger 18 is awesome to
Makin it look easy! Love your videosâŠ
"RC Pilot Will":
What else do WE have that Jon doesn't, WE can 'peer pressure' him into buying?đ
just so COOOOL
I've seen a couple of these fly, but not like that! đ Yeah man we always do a gear check, you just never know.
Man thatâs one nice plane very sleek looking. Would be an awesome edition to my hanger. đđđđ
Consider picking one up via the link in the description - it really helps us out!
Amazing setup you use for all your planes! This Rafale is quite a performer. AirHammer out!!
My Rafale hasnât had nose gear problems yet. However, my Eflite F16 started doing the same thing. I fixed it by lubricating the rod that connects the nose gear and the nose wheel steering pushrod.
Nice flying! Thx for posting. Which fiftytwoeightyrc AB did you use? Don't see one specific for the Rafale. Cheers
Larry should be developing a dual head burner that will work with this jet, but we carved the foam out in the rear where the exhausts bifurcate and used an 80mm burner that we had laying around.
Not only is the plane and flight awesome, but the sound is amazing!
It's better after installing the thrust tubes!đđ
I may have missed it but did you upgrade the servos like you normally do? Looks like a great jet, I love the inverted high alpha!
Nope, this is all on the stock servos. They're glued in place with extensive stickers covering them. It would have been a pain in the butt to remove them.
Did you upgrade your esc or bec in order to handle the additional load from all the servos? Iâm unclear if the breakout box actually acts as a bec too and I just upgraded to the Spektrum RX you recommended but just want to know the stock esc can handle all the servos without an additional bec. Thanks guys!
The ESC was changed out to an Avian 100 amp unit, but not because of any load issue - it was changed to have a 6v BEC for faster/more powerful servos and integrated voltage telemetry. The stock ESC handles just fine.
Have you tried it with the 3d printed nozzles from RcGeek? Apparently, they make a noticeable difference in performance.
Never saw a reason to. The jet performs exceptionally using LiHV batteries. We prefer the stock nozzles for more low-end thrust.
@@TwoBrosRC Fair enough. I have to ask, if you like aerobatic deltas, did you ever build/fly a FliteTest Viggen? With a few mods, it remains one of my firm favorites.
@@MultiSweeney1 Nope. We're not really into building foam board.
As usual amazing flying skills and a absolutely awesome Jet! Thanks so much for getting it and sharing it with us!
Also Mr Brian is great, I mentioned that I learned about Hangar 18 from your CZcams Channel and he said to tell you Hi, so Hi from Mr Brian! I am about a hour east of his Shop and pass by 3 other Hobby Shops to get there but considering how awesome he is and his staff I will happily drive there to get what I need or to just look around and talk.
Thank you for sharing all this wonderful info! đ€đŒ
That's awesome Adam, thanks for choosing to work with Bryan and his staff. They're awesome people and are totally worth it.
@@TwoBrosRC Yeah that is a awesome Hobby Shop with awesome people, I am definitely going to continue going there. đ€đŒ
Beautiful aircraft. I am wondering, is there any advantage in replacing the stock ESC with a Spectrum Avian 130 Amp Brushless Smart ESC? Possibly run a little cooler if I'm hard on the throttle.
Nope, no point. A 100 amp is all it needs.
But when gear is up, with 150% rates the steering servo and arm seem to have translation issues by way of to much and popping on extreme translations, I noticed on all my edf's. Also some of the edfs I own I can not get away with 150% rates, because the linkages will collide with fixed surfaces, also depends on hole authority servo's and control horns used. So I have to always check, and make sure no issues far as those matters. I was gonna say nice Delta, also FMS makes sturdy landing gear.
Sturdy gear but less than ideal linkage systems, unfortunately.
So maybe mixing the nose gear steering to rudder, when their is enough receiver ports, and maybe you can get away with 150% rudder, and turn the steering mix slaving to the rudder down to normal. I like it when their is enough ports to assign steering to its own channel, and the dial knob, for fine running the taxi alignment straight. If you are having problems with that. I know I do not like the popping I see when I was using 150% rudder throw, on the steering.
That's usually how we prefer to do it, but that isn't possible on an 8ch setup unfortunately.
@@TwoBrosRC Dang it Jon, now I want one of these. Lol Totally awesome seeing your friend land that beautiful plane. Funny what you said, I laughed about rc landing with the bounces. hehhee
Awesome job I need a little help did you make a video of how you set this jet up and how did you remove the box they have in to and when you took the black box out how did you do it and were the wires lone enough to go up front?
We didn't shoot a setup vid for this jet. Simply put, we haven't had time to make setup videos anymore with the upload schedule we keep to. We may find a way to do it again in the future. For now what we'd recommend is to fly it stock - unless you really want to push it the way we do, stock is more than enough. If you don't want to fly it stock, you'll have to unscrew the wood tongue holding the black box and Reflex gyro in place and wire everything in manually, then program the receiver to function the way you'd prefer it to. It's not a simple task and unfortunately can't be easily explained in text.
@@TwoBrosRC yes I understand I have gotten pretty good at programing my ix20 by watching your set up vids . Knowing how to get the black box out was my big question so thanks for helping with that. And I feel I can manage the rest đ€lol
Hi Jon did u fit the RC Geeks smaller thrust tubes for increased thrust? Cheers
We mentioned in the vid that it's flown without any nozzle adjustments - that's all stock.
@@TwoBrosRC ahh ok thanks. Its Thrust certainly isn't lacking!!
Do you have or plan to get Extreme Flight 3d plane? Would love to see you put one together and push it
No plans currently, but that can always change.
The Mustang IIâs split flaps under the fuse are a cool feature. I think those bounces are the rwy condition.
Just from watching, I dunno know that I share your high praise for the jet in the air. It looks like it has really good pitch control, but it rolls hard right as the wing approaches critical AOA.
One aerobatic test I always do is an elevator only, tight loop to see if a plane changes heading with straight back elevator. I think this plane would exit at least 90 degrees off of the entry heading with a straight pull. That can be really hard to solve. Itâs also a risk of departure in the pattern final turn, either nosing down and into a slow right base, or reversing to a right spin on a slow left base.
A ârollerâ is AF slang for any jet that rolls in one direction at high AOA. Sometimes itâs caused from flying in a constant state of slip: so the ailerons are over-trimmed opposite some similar amount of opposite direction rudder trim. At high AOA, like at the slower speed top of a loop, the rudder becomes more effective than the ailerons, and so the rudder trim starts to dominate the aileron trim. The hard thing is if itâs not trim, but out of square basic airframe alignment.
So you might try aileron trimming a little to the right, plus rudder trimming a little to the left, to see if you can get it to pull all the way through an aggressive loop on-heading.
That'll be something to look into when I get back from NH. Appreciate the info. Unfortunately a lot of the jet models do roll during accelerated stalls, so that might be the root issue too
@@TwoBrosRC
All airframes will roll as one wing inevitably stalls before the other based on airflow perturbations or slight uncoordination upon stalling. Some great aerobats have a dynamic stability that self-corrects without ruining overall purity. But in theory, if the airframe is perfectly square, and none are, the asymmetry in each stall situation should be random. So itâs a matter of degree with each plane. The degree will run from zero tendency to stall the same side wing before the other (perfect build) to 100% of the time one side drops first (bent build). I would call this one bent because I think the right wing always drops well before the left. But obviously I am only watching not flying, so I defer to your actual experience.
@@FFE-js2zp It could just be this particular airframe. I actually don't mind a predictable roll, makes it easier to plan where it will depart to.
@@TwoBrosRC
There is probably some Goldilocks zone. To me the porridge is too cold when I need to actively correct the nose track through a loop.
It can also be a weight imbalance. Sometimes I tape a coin on a wing tip if the plane doesnât balance while lifting from the nose and tail.
How on earth do you remove the breakout box? It's so far back in the fuselage I can't even reach it with needle nose pliers.
Unscrew the wooden tongue holding it and pull the entire assembly out.
@@TwoBrosRC Not sure how I missed that. Thank you đđ»
Just now, 999 views, so I had to be an even 1000!đđ
I've always worked the gear switch twice b4 taking off on any bird with retracts. Personal preference, but from not cycling the gear, I've seen all kinds of strange stuff happen.
We do thorough preflight checks on all models before taking them up. The retract issue only presented itself in-flight.
@@TwoBrosRC
I know, happens alot. I like to remove all the fates.
I didnât experience these gear and light issues on my Rafale. But overall, the sound and flight performance is so good. And you can do high alpha landing with it that can really impress the club folks.
Do you guys have a solar panel setup to charge your lipo because I do and there is no down time fly all day long with 4 batteries no problem if you don't you need one
We've got a 100w solar panel and a GoalZero 400w battery bank, but we have electrical outlets where we fly so there's been no need to bring it.
@@TwoBrosRC nice đ
Hi sorry to bother you again. One ladt qns: will you recommend this or the eflite f16 80mm?
It depends on what you're trying to do.
@@TwoBrosRC which one do you find more easy to fly?
Grass ops possible? Or are the wheels to small?
It's more than possible, but we prefer pavement.
Stock gear is perfect for unmanicured grass. As long as the grass is mowed. Our field is mowed every 2 weeks by parks n rec.
Definitely DO want the thrust tubes! They add so much more everything! Noticeable improvements
Great suggestion for gear not deploying.
It's the only thing that worked for us. Full right rudder while climbing. Had to do the same thing with the A-10 70mm too.
With an avian 100a esc, there's no more gear issues & the servos r a lot more responsive. (Avian bec is stronger than the predator esc's bec I guess). Everything got faster after I swapped esc's. (Put 100a 'A' version in my Rafale and in my fms pitts. Huge improvement on both. I just wanted telemetry. đ€·ââïž)
Amazing flying and awsome jet. am trying to decide between getting this or the freewing su35 and i think you just convinced me to get the rafale
Consider picking it up via the link in the description. It really helps us out!
Do you have a su 30
No, but RC Pilot Will on CZcams does and we've flown his recently. It's in our upload history.
What flight times are you getting with the 5000 packs?
I got one waiting in the queue. Going to use some 60C 5200's.
Not thrilled about the gear issues you're having. Hopefully it's not a systematic problem with the plane.
Anywhere from 3 to 5 minutes, depending on how much we push the jet. Honestly, the gear trouble isn't big enough to not enjoy this model. We'd recommend getting it - just be aware that you might have to climb and use full right rudder to drop the gear. It's only an inconvenience to what's otherwise the best flying jet we've experienced so far.
@@TwoBrosRC I'm wondering if something in the steering linkage is causing a bind. And when you apply right rudder it frees it.
AMAZING video Jon!! Wonderful flying as always :) Did you use the flaps for landings and take off? I canât tell from the video
Thanks đđ»
They're not flaps in the traditional sense. They're for slowing the model down on landing and after touchdown. We did film a landing with crow but it was too dark to use. Thanks!
@@TwoBrosRC oh ok got it. So I guess your recommendations is to take off without flaps and land with full flaps right? My maiden is on this Friday and Iâm a little bit nervous đŹ
It'll land fine without crow. All the landings seen here were without it.
@@TwoBrosRC thanks man,
Keep up the great work
I thought they were flaps too, until I tried to land the 1st time.
Still want to see a FMS F-18 70mm on the channel
Who knows, maybe you will.
interresting way of flying, but not my style for sure...
waw... Next X-FLY privat jets.
Probably not - we're not really inspired by private jets in general.
This was without question the most unfun jet Iâve ever flown. With that said, Iâll be honest, itâs out of my skill level. It sucked to land.
Itâll look nice sitting in the basement den. Good conversation starter.
That's unfortunate given just how well it flies for us!
@@TwoBrosRC yeah, I watched all your videos on it. You guys made it look easy. I doubt Iâll ever fly it again, but I do need to figure out on final when to add Crow. For me, when I added it after the turn and reducing throttle, I felt I lost elevator authority. And when I got, what I thought was a good flair speed it dropped like a rock. Again, out of my skill level.
@@jeffhenderson934 Doubt. Most likely you just need to remove the mixing board and set up crow manually yourself like we did. It's much easier to land when throws aren't arbitrary limited by a control box. Get the CG where we fly it and you'll experience a jet that's unlike anything else.