Harley THUNDERMAX Install! 131ci Stage 4 🔥
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- Installing a Thundermax tuner on my 131ci Stage 4 Softail Low Rider S
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Longer vid here but pretty thorough! Just so it's not confusing: Whenever we installed the 131 Stage IV kit on my LRS, H-D hadn't actually released a tune for it yet! We didn't know that until we went to install the SE tuner to it, but a tune wasn't available through the H-D system. SO... we were forced to use the ThunderMax.
I know, I know, we presented it like we had the SE tuner right off the bat, but that wasn't the case, lol. We wanted it to make sense from the get go, so hopefully it did for a bit.
Anyways, here's the vid + dyno of us running the Thundermax wideband ECM with the old 2-2 Bassani pipes, as well as the new 2-1 TBR pipes, auto tune sessions, and more. Hope there's a good amount of you out there that are learning a lot like I am!
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“What happened to the 2-1 exhaust.” Already getting this question a lot!
Please read the stuff I put into the video like at 0:42 and 13:50 and read the description 👍🏼
Thanks for watching! I hope y’all are learning as much as I am with the build process of this Stage 4! 🤘🏼
I do love that you tossed out the warranty to actually push the limits on this engine. I love seeing the actual capabilities of it
The biggest limitation on a Harley engine is the fact that it is air cooled, no thermal control which means you can't get the best out of it.
The 2018+ M8s are using oil cooled heads, in addition to being air cooled though
@@ragingtyga It's just an oil cooled exhaust valve pretty basic temp control, Harley must be just about the only company in the world who's engines are all air cooled. TBH 140 odd HP from a 2.1 litre engine is no that impressive.
And that's the love of Harleys.. your still getting an air cooled motor... if you like to always work on your bike... tear it down.. build it back.. harley is really the only game in town to do this. Granted not many people work on their bikes anymore, there are still a few of us out there. I have amazing technologically advanced bikes too .. but at the end of the day the bikes I've built are much more enjoyable than the bikes I just sit in and go fast.
If you want an amazing bike for little money get a an Apillia Tuono 1100R. Simply amazing for 15k USD. But other than doing an exhaust and tune. And valve checks.. and farkles.. you are not doing anything to that machine.. This will be my next bike in my stable.
My Harleys i can make a few phone calls.. get parts and have fun for a week doing anything my heart desires.. that's fun to me.. if you do the work yourself, you will save a ton.
@@skippynj1979 Plus Harley went with liquid cooled before. The VRod, one of which I own. I love it, but the aftermarket isn't as extensive as the other models for the this reason you talked about. Plus the new HD models are also going liquid cooled. Their entry level bikes, the street series, are also liquid cooled
He is the cleanest tech I have ever seen !
That beginning montage had me tapping my foot and nodding my head lol Definitely my favorite motorcycle-related channel out there. Thanks, Block!
Thanks Johnny! 🤘🏼
And then there is me, looking at my sparkplugs and wondering about a different jet... (81 FXB)
She's coming along nicely!!! I've been a fan of the PowerVision for a long time but the ThunderMax seems legit! Can't wait to see more vids...
Dude yes! That bike is a beast! I love that you’re gonna run the live wire with this. I actually just road the live wire for the first time a few days ago, and I was blown away at how fast it was. So I am excited to see that Mexico run!
The sound of the TBR exhaust is awesome! I dig this vid series showing every step of the journey and how you got there!
Glad you’re enjoying it, thanks man!
I can relate to that dude3. After moving from Boston area to Waco, TX, people were fascinated by my accent haha
Flames out the exhaust. Welcome to the crew. My FZ-09 shots 2 foot long blue flames. Love your bike.
That sounds really cool. 2 foot long blue flames. That's some heat right there
Sounds like you could use some more timing.
More timing always means more power until detonation.
@@elonmust7470 nah. I still have AIS on in the ECU.
@@AndrewB416 AIS? I'm not at all familiar with HD software. All I know is megasquirt & fueltech.
@@elonmust7470 AIS is "Air Injection System". Used by Yamaha and others to inject air into the exhaust for a secondary burn of the exhausted fuel air mix. Helps with emissions. Makes cool noises.
That’s sweet, can’t wait to see what it actually fully makes once it fully learns and everything is leveled out, it’s definitely a monster
What up Mr. Olsen!!! Best teacher EVER!!!!
Absolutely cant wait for the next installment!
It’s nice to see how much time and effort is put into making the changes to the tuning. I suspect a lot of folks don’t realize that there is lots of work for the little changes here and there.
Great video Block! Love the series.
Thanks Jandrso!
Absolutely. Chris is a great tech and a good sport. I’m down in West Palm so Seminole H-D ain’t all that far. May have to take a road trip.
I’m still trying to figure out how to shoehorn that 131 into my ‘02 FXDL!
Another good video. Graf is starting to look a lot better. I will be interested to see if the short 2into1 can get that high early tq number. Looking forward to more tuning and cam install. Keep up the detailed videos alway a good watch.
Love all these videos block ! And you showing all the changes and results is awesome. Can’t wait to see the next video with the updated tune and raising the rpm. Great channel
Thanks Paul, glad you’re enjoying the vids!
God, I hope this bike doesn't get stolen or even worse, damaged badly somehow...
"Old School Mike" sounds like a wealth of knowledge too.
Ride safe Blockhead.
Just how Shadetree's fxr's favorite resting spot is the lift, your FXLRS is a permanent resident of the dyno room
But I just went over 1000 miles w the 131 😂
@@BlockheadMoto Nice. You got him😂 I am sure you made several trips to Mexico already
It’s good to see all the changes and what each change brings to the table. You might consider working at SHD on the side with the amount of time you’ve spent there in the past few months! 😂
Seriously! I think I was there almost 40 hrs one week, lol. Good group of people there, always a good time 🤘🏼
Love these longer episodes
Hey Block....can you put up a shot of the original tune hp & torque curves superimposed on the new ones for each pipe?? I know some people are probably saying "How does it feel stronger when it actually lost hp?"....however thats only PEAK HP....I am betting it gained a TON in the midrange when you went to the Thundermax. Thats where you TRULY feel the difference. Peak HP is great and all but you can lose 5 hp at 5500 but gain 10-15 hp at 3500 hp and that is actually where you live, where you actually USE the HP and Torque. I bet it really lit up the midrange (different cams are used in order to increase specific area's of your rev range...). That bike appears to truly be running AWESOME!! So glad you put the Tmaxx on it with the original 2 into 2's!!! GREAT VID!!! You have a great shop there too!! WIsh our local shop was this good!!
seeing a dyno pull with a tuned 2 to 2 exhaust to see the diff would be great
🤔 agreed!
God, that bike sounds so good! Listen to that idle! Man, I need to get me another Harley. I love that shit.
I got my 131 installed last week in my 2018 Heritage. i have the S&S 2 into 1 superstreet with the race pipe. I changed out the stock AC to the Screaming Eagle Extreme. Got the newest oil pump and also the new clutch to handle the power. Adamecs Harley Davidson in Jacksonville did it. i am going to break it in for about 600 miles then bring it back. right now it is tuned with the SE tuner map from Harley. then when i get the break in done they will use Powervision to tune it. Really looking forward to it. i am really dont care much about the HP. it is the torque. i don't ride at 5000 rpm. right now it is phenomenal. i could not be more please. Adamecs has done such a good job. looking forward to taking it in and getting the final tune. i also by the way went with the feuling vented oil dip stick. it is recommended. i wanted to do that right from the beginning. that engine a beauty to behold. expensive but hey what the heck. im retired. will update you when i get it done. enjoying your video for sure.
Do you know if the fueling vented oil dipstick setup is recommend for stock 107 Milwaukee 8? You think the stock engine gets enough blow by?
@@chrisdawson8252 the reason they recommended it on mine is due to the big bore 131. the softails in general don't have that problem. you should be fine. now the touring bikes did have issues.
Break it in in 60 miles and I guarantee it will make more power......
@@chrisdawson8252 it gets blowby because people don't break them in fast enough.
Boston Mike!!! Best instructor I had at MMI hands down.
Ive got a jims 131 150hp, 160 lbs torque, just switched the pipes to basani 2 into 1 outturn shorty's for my street glide, that was once a road king, looking forward to throwing on dyno again next month
Break in advice from my mechanic after I got bike from full engine rebuild, cams and new camchest assembly... ride the bike like you stole it
AMAZING Shadtree Surgeon impression dude. EVERYTIME you say his name, you should do THAT!!
I can’t fathom what that must feel like going full throttle on that bike! The stock 114 is insane on this bike completely stock. Then again, I’ve only been riding mine for about a week and also coming from a 600 shadow too, so... yea.
Good impression of Shadetree.
I have a stock 107 but after watching all these dyno room videos, I feel like getting it tuned.
Makes a big difference!
@@BlockheadMoto numbers don't lie. And the curves will get ya
God i want my bike to sound like that fire breathing demon you're riding.
I realize you're sponsored by everybody and probably went with the thundermax for that reason but the dynojet power vision offers so much more rider interface and instant changes to all parameters not to mention up to eight different gauge parameters in view at all times if you want them to be. Also the auto-tune function is painless and all ran from the screen No need to hook up a laptop every time you want to do it.
that is what adamec in jacksonville is going to use on mine. i installed the 131 a week ago. just breaking in before we dyno.
Some Techs have a preference for certain ECUs based on their tuning experience or ease of tuning. Maybe that's why
Not sponsored by ThunderMax, went w them bc originally we were going to put the 131 in the bike when it was only released for the Touring and their auto tune feature is really good. We’ve been considering switching the power vision, TBA! 👍🏼
You sound like a kid in the candy store for the first time. Love it!! Awesome series!!
I AM a kid in a candy store 😂
Like both exhausts but that Bassani really sounds better. I would go with the two into one as well. Power > aesthetics.
Blockhead if you want to have those Basanni Sweepers, look up thunder torque inserts from DK Customs and give those a shot.
They should be able to help with the Bassani pipes and getting power back.
Great series for sure.
thundermax is an awesome tuner
Good chance to show people the quality part of being a Harley owner... I own an indian... still cool to appreciate
So no bs..real thoughts on the Thundermax for the M8. ALOT of guys are saying it’s junk for the M8.
Team works make the dream work comes from duck tales. Cartoon in the 90s
Can't wait for the battle of the Beast.
Road King Kong still going to win
Harley, "Hey, we've got a 131CI for softails now."
Me, "Oooohhhhh...i want that! Wait, I can't do that, I'd end up going full on stupid and hurting myself."
Blockhead, "Look at what we're doing to the softail... Watch how fun it is..... Tease, wink, nudge.. "
Me watching and drooling, "Damn it.... Now I gotta save up... "
😂
This made me order the thundermax xms. I can upgrade it to the widen and sensors later 👍🏻
If you are going to start throwing different parts in, check out Moonshine Harley Davidson and what they tinker with. Respect the Power and Enjoy. Ride Safe.
Chris worked at Moonshine.
I had my 2020 sgs tuned with power vision and they got 137 hp and 151 torque. I’m running a D&D 2-1 billet cat and trask air intake
Spittin flame 🔥
When I finish my bike in April we should go play in Mexico block 😉😉
Good to see mr olsen is doing well :D
15:48 best part of video !!
Lol at baggerbro's artwork. Keep up the great content!
“Modern art,” lol
If you ask me. For the price, this is how the bike should preform from the factory. Crazy you have to dump so much money for the bike to preform how it should.
Disagree on it performing like this from the factory. Having recently ridden a stock Road Glide for a few days, you can tell H-D aims for that more middle ground to try and appeal to more people. So many people would be driven away if bikes came like my FXLRS is right now. It’s freakin angry! lol
I guessing you better have some serious time and money to do all of this!
Well they work on a harley so money wasn't much of a priority
That's something to think about
This man loves his job 😂🤘🏽 @15:45
Hell yea!!!! More power🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Awesome bike man
I always heat them up and they slide on easier... slipping the covers on the harley O2 sensor plug ins.
Just wanted to check with you regarding your decision to remove the thunder max and going with the powervision in a later video. Very curious to find out why and what you found during your testing
I was wondering the same thing, do anyone have a explanation?
I spy Mike Olson! Solid dude there.
A longer pipe ,throttle body, and more air! Short pipes are torque killers and you can’t get enough air with a tear drop.
My 114 is putting out 139 hp 148 torque
Uh I'd like to see the dyno sheet for that unless you meant 131 there's absolutely no way
what a monster of a bike i love it but man this cant be cheap lmao
I asked him how much it cost but he didn't answer.
He provides all the info on what he’s installing so you could piece it together without labor and get a solid estimation
@@johnsondanny_ for sure but still cant be cheap even if with some do it your self work
@@Motobro699 it was more of a response to Eddie than you
@@johnsondanny_ oh ahh😅😅😅
Why couldn’t you load it straight onto the Dyno once you had installed the Thundermax hardware on the bike with the base tune from TM and tuned it to optimise the HP and Torque using the PV. It’s a pity that you are totally dependent on TM auto tune to get you to a point for you to start really tuning using your tuning expertise and the Dynojet tools at your disposal. Good to get some response from you and Matt Smith (Those Dyno Guys) on this approach. I am not an “auto tuner” fan.
What happen to the two to one
0:42 Watch the video and read the description 👍🏼
Yea science!!!
Yeah Mr. White!
Science is awesome!! 😆
you should have left the freeze frame a little longer so people watching the video would think something was wrong lol
Woop! Earlyish!
Instant warranty void but man, that thing is gonna run sweet!!
@BlockheadMoto- at this point of the bike, what was installed? Was this just the SE131 and swapped the tune to a TM? Or different cam?
Can I just put in a thundermax and let it ride after installing headpipes and air cleaner? Does it actually "self-tune"?
Boston Mike is awesome I know him. Use to be an instructor at MMI.
Lots of nice new parts going into this bike. The HP is lagging still but torque is ok, though... By the time your done you've added, 131 kit/throttle body, cams, heads?, tuner, clutch and new pipes, plus whatever else. You gotta be well north of $10k on the build. The tuning seems to be a very long process. I don't think your average Harley dealer is that dedicated to one bike, unless you have very deep pockets. That's kind of disappointing. Hopefully we should see at least 145 to 150 hp by the end?
I have a question: I have a 113" Ultima Bruto engine in my Chopper with a S&S super G carburetor. Since you mentioned jetting in this video which jet sizes would you use for this engine and carb? I can't figure it out
Blockhead nothing to do with this video but you’re extremely helpful do you have any videos on how to properly clean your bike bought my first Harley and want to keep it looking great for years to come
I know you said that you're trying to get rid of that decel pop, but don't you love how it sounds when it does that?
The ONLY auto tune that’s cool.
That torque dip is amplified by the short pipe. If you were running a longer 2:1, like say D&D, it would make better numbers and shouldn't have as bad a dip.
I appreciate what must be alot of time and effort to get this footage.
So would a tuning session really help someone who has stage 1, or 2?
Hooah
Stage 1, a little bit. You can find maps for most stage 1’s. But stage 2 cam, definitely!
I have seen recommendations for AFR as Target 14.4 to 14.6, Idle at 13.8, Cruise at 14.1 to 14.3 and WOT at 12.8 to 13.2 for the best overall tune. Comments?
Not far from my targets...every tuner has their own target numbers in regards to AFR, overall curve, rpm relation to curve, plus length of time to achieve that peak number, all that data comes into play with regards to tuning. You can have equal bikes with equal power but if one reaches it’s peak numbers faster than the other, well, thats the one that will win everytime...lets not forget that their are many varying factors in this game, i.e. intake size, injector size, pulse width, valve size, displacement, piston dome shape, size of combustion chamber, size and lenth of exhaust pipes, type of fuel...and the list can keep going tbh, lol, but that aught to be enough for the moment! Comments, questions, concerns?
@@sickwideglide I purchased an extended warranty from H-D. As soon as it expires I will be getting the Thundermax Tune!
Only if you can get one. Still waiting.
Did you lose the cruise control with the addition of the thundermax?
Nope, cruise still works 👍🏼
I have a 1298cc that produces 147kw at the rear wheel on 98 octane gas
Shadetree has no chance imo...lighter bike lighter rider...similar power
Woah XD
hehe nice,a Blockhead vid to watch b4 work
(watching at almost 11am for me,today I work from 12 to 19)
Almost kinda maybe definettly not :D
Ye Mike do be looking like a snack XD nice voice
What's the point of auto tune if you have to keep putting it back on the Dyno....?
Look at Harley triglide, broke back. What is the cost to upgrade a ultra to stage 4 131 from a M8 114? To my memory the st1 is pipes and carb. ST 4 is jugs, pistions, carb, cam... I’ve test ridden the triglide CVO, so expensive.
Awesome bike!!
Lots of cash tied into this one i bet
You gon’ lern today! So.... roasting tires in 3rd gear?
Badass !
Would you be able to get around Harleys warranty by using a thundermaxx and just swapping it back to the factory ecu whenever you need to have it worked on?
Probably if you don't have a bunch of CZcams videos showing the aftermarket tuner ;) Mostly joking, what most people don't realize is that the dealership isn't out to void your warranty. In theory, it could be voided for the tuner or probably the pipes (assuming they don't have catalytic converters), in reality, dealerships usually won't void the warranty unless the aftermarket part is to blame for whatever problem you have. It may be preferable for H-D corporate to void more warranties, but it's usually preferable to the dealership to make customers happy.
Love watching this progression. I have a question unrelated to performance, what sissy bar is that? Looking for one for the new 2020 softtail standard i just bought. Mount inside or outside the fender struts? Thanks
Great job gentlemen.. i have a crazy question..I own a 05 fat boy CVO.. factory screaming eagle 2 kit on it.
I believe it idles to high (1000rpm). Is there any way to bring it down to the classic Harley shuffle.. (low idle shake).
I'm a licensed mechanic and there was a vacuum leak or dirty IAC. But see nothing.. aby suggestions..
Thank you in advance.
Just curious you mentioned about the torque and hp numbers crossing around 5200 rpm, not sure if you know but hp and tq always cross at 5250rpms on all gas engines
Coming from someone who would like to not void a warranty. Would changing out the ECM as a whole keep the warranty “intact” by just changing back if I need work done?
What route did you take for the front O2 sensor? Specificaly where did you end up putting the big plug between O2 and harness?
Is there tunes like this avalible for the new indiens. Also if there are equal tunes, do you get more out of your m.c. or the indien
Idk about Apple being junk. I had my MacBook Pro for 10yrs before I upgraded. Still worked fine just not for video making.
Agreed! Had my last MBP for 8 years before upgrading 🤘🏼 And I’ve build my own monster pc’s before
Apple isn't junk. It's a different mindset/design philosophy between PCs and Apple or Android vs iOS or something like a beemer vs others, maybe. I've been doing IT for 26 years, Apple and Dell certified. Hands down Macs are built better. You can modify PCs more, but you're still stuck with an inferior OS.
Boom! Exactly, the OS is gold and the parts work together perfectly. The Apple universe works so well with everything, it’s seamless and effortless.
Warranty? Ain’t nobody got time for dat
Break in period? Ain't nobody got time for that
Definitely aint got no time for dat!
My 2015 sportster 883 getting no spark. I've changed the spark plugs, plug wires rectifier .. any suggestions on why I'm not getting spark and just a loud tick from starter? I can only find the three fuses next to the battery on the left side, not sure if there's more fuses tucked somewhere 🤔
P.s. no video on 2015 sportster 883 out there explaining the issue. Wiring is different from other years. only videos 2013 and lower or 2018 higher
Are you still using the thunder max tuner on Goldzilla? Would you say this is one of the best tuners on market?