How Does Deadpool's Mask Move?
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When looking at the film Deadpool - it has a lot of pretty outlandish moments - From gruesome murders, made to be funny; to all the fun things you can do with a tiny hand - This film is just filled with messed up themes.
But one thing that you wouldn't expect to be too crazy, is what happened behind the scenes when it came to making this film's visual effects.
Because compared to typical superhero movies, which are often packed to the brim with VFX filled action and spectacle - Deadpool was much more about comedy, story and character; so you'd think it would just be a standard outing for the VFX artists who worked on it, just using their skills to enhance to the film and get the plot from point A to point B.
So when I decided to do a little research into how they made Deadpool's mask emote, I was shocked at the VFX rabbit hole i uncovered - a rabbit hole of creativity and ingenuity dug by some very unsung heroes, who are some of the only reasons - that it is was possible to pull of a film like Deadpool off on its low budget of 58 million Dollars.
So, put your brown pants on - as we explore the crazy world of Deadpools visual effects.
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That is the smartest and dumbest solution I have ever heard to such a complex problem and of course it was executed perfectly with Deadpool out of anyone. Bravo to whoever thought of it so simply
Not dumb at all.
If it's stupid and it works it's not stupid
It’s stupid because no one would ever think to do that
Perversely, this approach works precisely *because* the mask is so inexpressive and relatively featureless. It allows you to distort it however you want without tripping over any uncanny valley issues.
It's so smart and subtle that as a viewer I didn't even think twice about the expressions on his mask. I find that the most clever part of it.
Yeah, that's what really impresses me when I think about it in retrospect. Half an hour (or more?) of his mask moving with huge expressiveness and I didn't even think about it once. It was so perfect that my brain just accepted it as Deadpool's face, not a mask.
I was going to write exactly that. I never ever questioned how good were his expressions, I just accepted it like that!
I had no idea that's how they made the mask work. Brilliant!
Yea when I was watching the movie this effect was a true "how the f did they do that" moment 😅
@@CGWHYFr. You don't really think about it because it's just so natural until you stop for minute and think, "Wait. How is he doing that so seamlessly?"
The mask animations were also not in the initial budget. They were an agreed to thing to take a look at once the rest of the movie was mostly complete and make a judgement on based on whether the movie appeared to have come out good enough to merit the extra costs to go in and animate the mask. This has a lot to do with how they ended up animating it in such a post-process way, rather than traditional VFX supervised pipeline fashion.
This goes to show, that the best thing you can do to a movie is constrain its budget. The solutions film makers will come up with when having to deal with a constrained budget are always a joy to learn about and can often be added to the toolkit of the industry.
Not only that but it keeps the movies from being bloated. Idk why we can't have more low budget superhero movies that make a billion dollars.
That's like saying; we should tie the hands of people to their backs so they could learn how to manipulate things with their feet. Yeah, it's cool that they could write with their feet, but why were their hands tied behind their backs in the first place.
This guy managed to make a 3 minute script into an 11 minute video
this guy also managed to explain niche cgi effects that i have never heard of and thoroughly explained not only the thought process and importance behind the filmmakers reason to animate deadpool’s face, but also exactly how they did it all in one very well made video
Shoutout Hugo Weaving in V For Vendetta for giving one of the most amazing performances being a masked character who’s face you never get to see. He did so much with his voice and bodily expressions to convey what the character was thinking and feeling.
They did technically have slightly different painted masks to match emotions of certain scenes / not to mention lighting. And everyone, including this video’s author forgets… body language
V for Vendetta and Dredd leads who don't need faces.
@@pathologicaldoubtwould be an interesting video in itself, i dont recall them being painted differently thats cool! Probably not for this channel tho. But he was also not the main character, or at least not most screentime. We are after all seeing more of portmans character
@@morgantrias3103 Darth Vader is another good one.
I can’t remember for which of the three live action Spider-Men this was for, but they solved the mask acting problem by having him use a lot of body language and full-body gestures. Worked out alright actually.
probably andrew, as tobey's spider-man is mentioned extensively in this as having expression issues and tom's mask features lenses which change shape to show expressions
A stupid problem meets a silly solution. A classic Deadpool maneuver.
Great video! I do have a minor critique though: You spent 3 minutes in the beginning of the video explaining the problem (which could've been done in 30 seconds) and then you quickly glossed over the actual technique. For example, you didn't mention that they have to track all of his head movements in 3D so that the distortion and lighting overlays sits correctly on top of his face in every shot.
Agreed
8:58 you're welcome
This is genuinely one of the coolest uses of CGI effects I've ever heard of and seen. It also makes me appreciate that they made this movie with such a small budget in comparison to other comic book films. Talk about on the job problem solving.
Aha! I had wondered how they did it. Thanks.
Funny seeing you here
Out of all the people I would expect to see in this comment section, I think you were the one I expected the least.
Oh cool, Lindybeige in the wild.
Wheres the damn comic
beige man
I knew they did some CGI trickery with the mask, but didn't know the details. Great breakdown of a pretty cool technique.
I hate to nitpick here, but you kind of explained the method they used for the head in a really convoluted way that isn't accurate to the FXguide article. It has nothing to do with camera lens distortion. They created a fake blendshape setup using a 3D render in 'headspace' and 3d track of his head converted to UV space. Basically manipulating the UVs of his head to give a more accurate warp. The reason why a lot of people assume the head is CG is because they also used a CG specular pass to make the lighting blend better with the warp.
the curving around the edges of the frame is called barreling... cheaper or less expensive lenses/zoom-in lenses tend to have more of it around the edges and it takes quite a high-quality lens to avoid it entirely but most photo's made by cell-phones these days don't have it at all since software to auto-corrects for it. More often than not it is like bokeh in that it is a deliberate choice being made by the photographer than an artifact of crappy equipment. Very neat though that they used that concept to effectively short-cut the 3d animation for his facial expressions... makes sense though, since our muscle structure tends to only expand or contract, why not do the same but with the mask?
Watch "Dredd"... Karl Urban nailed the character's demeanor and character just by only seeing his face from the top lip down. His gruff voice and dialog told you all you needed to know about him. Genius! 🙂
This sounds so simple but it’s also bending my brain just thinking about it.
It sounds like tracking and 3D and animation is all still part of the process but they circumvented the entire compositing and rendering steps you’d normally have with a larger budget.
You just waffled for 10 mins then finally got to the point
No
Me patiently hanging on at 5:29, eagerly anticipating the moment when the narrator of this video finally gets to the fucking point!
or maybe just watch the actual video with your low ass attention span.
How could they do this? They could try this... but that's too much. But they have no choice but to do this. And that involves all these steps. So they did this!
@@kilroy987 hahaha
people these days really cant wait five fucking minutes huh
@@gameplays1792 No. 5 mins is very important.
It's also very easy to replicate on an even smaller budget, which means he gets to have emoting masks in any promos or youtube videos, like in the Deadpool musicals exclusively for youtube.
Great video! although I felt like the entire script was like when I was in school trying to make an essay longer adding more words 😅
I always wished they would do Spidey this way, but the MCU moving iris is a cool solution too.
But I’m a fan of the magic moving mask… let Spidey have the crazy expressions and massive eyes!
The amount of vacuity in this video amazes me
The whole point of video could literally fit in 30 seconds
9:00 is when things really start, it’s basically the answer. 7:43 is a more in depth look at distortion. Everything before that is mostly unnecessary talk about the importance of showing emotions to viewers and how it’s always been a hurdle with super hero movies due to masks and helmets.
I love this kind of problem solving in media
I was always in awe of the expressive mask, because it did look so real. This is brilliant.
First off amazing video. I always assumed that Ryan was wearing some type of padding on his eyebrows under the mask and that it was all practical. The fact is wasn't was shocking.
Deadpool's mask works psychologically because its literally emoticons for speaking/acting. You're welcome.
this is really cool, and you told the story beautifully
And yet even more reason why I love this movie, and why its small budget worked for it in all the best possible ways.
2:54 - 2:59 this, precisely, is what made the 'kickass'/'hitgirl' characters/films feel so different, I think. It was something I noticed at the time and it felt like a very conscious decision on the part of the filmmakers to create a somewhat psychotic tone to what would otherwise perhaps have felt too childish/simple.
This is brilliant because it's believable that a mask like that would naturally stretch. The mask's color looks slightly different from the rest of the suit, but it almost adds a touch of realism to the costume. Maybe you need to breathe through said mask, unlike the rest of the costume. The area around the eyes especially are mostly black, so warping/distorting probably won't be as noticeable.
Also, I just saw footage from when it's not paused, and the mask color difference isn't noticeable at all
That was phenomenal. Great video. Love this stuff
OMG this was so freaking cool. Thanks so much for sharing!
great video the fact you have so few subscribers is criminal
Thank you!
@@CGWHY I'm a still photographer who appreciates how you reduce the complexity of movie production to something I can understand.
Please continue making excellent videos featuring recreations and demonstrations of techniques.
Lots of them. Lots and lots and lots.
For some reason Atom Smasher has the same mask design as Deadpool in the Black Adam movie and I haven't heard anyone talk about it. How does that even work out legally? Deadpool is Marvel and Atom Smasher is DC, was the mask design/process owned by the special effects studio or something?
The problem is both characters have existed for a long time. It'd be like having a lawsuit over both the DC's and Marvel's "Captain Marvel"
@@thescruffinator8830 No, I mean that almost everything about the mask is the same except the colors. If you look at some footage of Atom Smasher close up it's a dead giveaway. It even has the same stitching pattern and different material around the eyes. I think they must have used the same mask system as Marvel.
@@theflunkoutdude90 I don't think they own the effect. The video just explained how to do the effect. Nothing's stopping anyone from making it themselves.
This is because both masks are built from non-copyrightable elements (pre-existing cuts, materials, stitching techniques, human head shape, ...) and only the complete overall look is somewhat protected. There are only so many ways you can cut the material to make a mask that works, only so many surface patterns for cloth and leather, only so many positions the eyeholes can go, and so on. Most of them have either already been used too long ago or by too many people or are too simple and not unique enough to be protected. You have to go very artsy nowadays to make protectable mask elements.
So changing the colour and putting it onto a completely different character is enough. Just like you'd only need to change the face shape of a Darth Vader mask and nothing else to be able to use it.
BTW, don't forget that there's a difference between being in the right and having the money to defend against a lawsuit that'll cost you millions to win. Copyright doesn't go as far as most people think.
@@thescruffinator8830 there actually is a long history of legal battles around Captain Marvel. DC sued Captain Marvel's (SHAZAM!) orginal publisher, Fawcett Comics, twice because he was considered a rip off of Superman. They lost the first case but won the second. This caused Fawcett to stop publishing Captain Marvel and meant they lost the trademark. This allowed Marvel Comics to create their own Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) and aquire the trademark. When DC bought Fawcett Comics they started publishing the orginal Captain Marvel again but Marvel Comics forced DC to rebrand the character. The character was set still officially called Captain Marvel until the New 52 but DC had to use different name for titles and branding so they went with SHAZAM!
I have completely animated a comedy short using just a high resolution image of the Night King from Game Of Thrones. I thought about modeling him and animating him as a CGI character, but that was a bit too time consuming for the budget.
I eventually came up with a similar idea to what the animators in Deadpool did and it looked great. I took the one image in Photoshop and cut him up into many pieces, each on their own layer. Then I copied the facial features (eyes,nose, mouth brow). Even all,of the visible fingers were cut into sections and it was a huge stack of layers. I had 58 layers by the end.
The copies of the faces were then taken into the Warp or liquify plug-ins. I was able to tweak his brows and paint eyelids closed on a layer and then there were layers with eyes half closed, fully closed or scrunched real tight. That was all created using a clone brush or just painted with air brush.
I imported all of the PNG files, layer by layer, into Toon Boom Harmony, where I could pin them at the joints. Unlike Animate, which just couldn’t handle all of those high resolution images, Harmony just chugged along, in real time! I didn’t even have to render the animation to see it. I created a key frame and rotated a joint and it could play in the timeline with no problem.
I had to animate frame by frame of him putting on shaving cream and it looked great. I just pulled an image of a man with shaving cream all over his face from the internet and just cut out the cream and worked backwards erasing parts of the cream, so it looked like he was spraying it on when run in reverse. I was using any trick I could think of. It all worked great and the expressions were very cartoon- like, heavily exaggerated. His face moved like rubber.
It is sometimes that necessity that is the mother of invention. The fun thing was how stylized it came out, unlike any animation I have seen giving life to just a still image. I didn’t know that was how they were animating Deadpool, but that is awesome that they came up with a similar solution than I did?
This was weird. The lens distortion tangent made no sense, as the actual technique has nothing to do with it. You talked about how much work went into a normal cgi shot, with one needing to track the footage, make a digital double, and composite everything in, but this technique also requires the footage to be tracked, also requires a digital double, and also requires everything to be composited.
Your channel is the best! Really interesting stuff 🤯
Classic example of creative engineering through limited resources.
It's so smart and so dumb at the same time, it fits Deadpool perfectly... Whoever thought of this needs a raise immediately
That's CRAZY! I had no idea! The ingenuity of some people is truly amazing!
The best actors are those who can act and be loved with a mask on.
Nice and sensible approach. But what about the tangent to lens distortion? Just because vector displacement manipulates the image in a somewhat comparable manner these concepts have up to nothing in common
That's so clever. Makes you wonder why we don't see this replicated in other films. Imagine Spiderman with a mask that can emote similarly, or any other Superhero with white eyes. Wonder if Moonknight did anything similar
Simply amazing! Great video too!
Interesting, thanks.
Do you know Captain Disillusion? Your channel reminds me of him, but he deals in broader strokes.
I do not - but I'll check him out, thanks! - And thanks for watching!
Im wo happy i got your channel recommended!!!
Quality Content!!!
so great!!!😍 and it works so well!!!
This video was fantastic.
Thank you
Lol we used to warp photos as a kid in photoshop to make them look funny, so it’s funny seeing this technique used on the big screen
Being work in movie industry, really-really push your creativity out of your brain even further & found a solutions out of the box
That is so brilliant and out of the box
All I ask is that you make more videos. This shit is great.
1:26, it surprises me you saying that, because I think this is one of the few Super Hero movies that had the most use of the mask, I think the movies has a lot of sequences with spider man with the mask on, except at the end or maybe in specific scenes.
I think Deadpool does that a lot more, specially in the second movie, where he is always without a mask for no reason.
What puzzled me was the white eyes and whether he was able to see out of it. This would do wonders for other super heroes.
Nice! I really do like your unique take on this topic.
i realy hope the next spiderman does something like this tom holands mask was close but it didnt sell it for me
JUST TELL ME
Wow, this was a revelation! Such a cool way to solve a potentially huge problem, absolute mad geniuses.
You're telling me that there isn't cgi, only snapchat filters?! that's incredible
That's a great quality way of doing it. I feel like a decent, quick and dirty method would just be Lockdown/Mocha Pro Power Mesh plus puppet pin or liquify. I'd tackle a fan film like that no prob.
Honestly I wish I didn't watch this video cause it looked so real to me I didn't even know it used any trickery lol. I won't be able to stop thinking about this now.
So it’s a Kind of image manipulation, so it’s practical & practical always looks so good 👏🏻
Is this sarcasm? I don’t think you’d call this practical, it’s a good blend of the two. A practical mask with digital manipulation.
In every Spider-Man movie, the actors and the stunt guys wear a hard faceshell similiar to what they do in Deadpool movies.
This is a late comment but I'd be doing a disservice if I didn't shout out the originator of R-rated Marvel films, Blade. In Blade II, they used this kind of projection and warping extensively to create the transformations for the Reaper vampires. Great work that in many cases still holds up 21 years later (unlike other more conventional digital character work in that film). I believe it was Tippett Studios behind that work.
What a cool and inventive solution! Amazing!
It's so subtle, I only noticed a couple of cases where cg was used for the mask, like where he breaths out a little smoke. The rest didn't register at all. Now I see his eyes and eyebrows distorting in every shot! Mind blowing!
the sam raimi spiderman movies did not have peter take his mask off every five minutes, he probably didnt even take it off 5 times total while suited up, great research
Heh, it was like using Photoshop's liquify tool. That's pretty darn brilliant.
Oh, Jesus, this is another proof how low budget empowers and emphasizes your creativity, and big budget is laying waste. This movie should have won an Oscar for this single visual effect!
Well , well, well....neat! Great video!
I'd like to recommend a series on youtube called "The Wizards of Aus". It's about Australian wizards.
The behind the scenes video shows that all the VFX were done by one guy, who also happened to be the writer, director and star. This series looks *way* better than it has any right to for its budget.
What reminds me of this video is the way that the VFX are often used to tweak practical costumes. For example, there is a guy in a practical shark-man costume whose face is mushed around in the computer to give him facial expression. It might even be a lower budget version of this, but it still looks great.
I swear people are only saying that “you can’t have your cake and eat it” line cause of the spiderverse movie
they NEED this for batman
I kind of wish they use the mask’s eyes effects for Batman’s cowl.
1:27 - Wow. If you think that of the original trilogy...mate, you haven’t seen the Amazing one.
It’s like the mask is itchy or something. Either that or Garfield just REALLY want EVERYONE to know he’s Spider-Man but don’t want to admit to it.
How do CZcamsrs make a 45 second answer into a 12 min video. That’s what I wanna know
holy crap, amazing
I had no idea about this and ive watched the movie so many times. But thats kinda the point, good vfx are a magic trick. You are not supposed to notice, so yea job well done.
i really hope the MCU takes a lesson with Deadpool 3 and instead of making the entire suit CGI, they should give him a 3d head with the pratical suit
brilliant! very clever... thank you for the info
Top CGI movies that handle CGI and realism well
Captain America winter soldier civil war,iron man first 2 and Deadpool and Logan there's probably a bunch more I forgot
WOW°!!!!! ni idea de que este fue el truco, increíble video!!!!
"They only created a fully detailed head (since the specular pass still needed to give all the tiny details) animated it extremely convincingly, tracked it 100% matching to the plate, and then had to do high end compositing work integrating it into the correct depth/working around occlusions/finding ways to only distort the head instead of also things between the head and the camera (glass/atmospherics/etc.) to save on doing OTHER integrations like adding dirt and stuff digitally (which they'd also have to match in the spec pass) ... so it was sUcH a SiMpLe eFfeCt!" Dude.... it's WETA. It's not a 3 guy shop contributing to a multi million dollar movie by doing the itsy bitsy vector distortions and some minor specs. This is still high end VFX. Just because they didn't do the whole 'paint out head and replace by completely rendered head' process (which I'm sure they had to do for dozens of shots regardless, that's how real life works), and they might were able to cut some corners and save a bit of the budget doesn't make ANY OF THIS simple and easy. Cheers.
Not sure why the comparison to lens distortion. It sounds like photogrammetry/distortion masks based on cg depth masks. So unless I’m missing something it doesn’t relate to barrel or pincushion lens effects.
Get to it!
This is a 4am video rabbit hole video
this dude honestly just yaps for 5 minutes before he even actually talks about how it works
It's dumb to me but I remember word of Ryan Reynolds face in various angles being sculpted or digitally taken close after the make of this and remembering such info just made what he said more believable to me
I think that the mask looks fairly real actually. I get that it probably wouldn't be ax expressive, but given that deadpool is practically immortal, he could probably wear a mask as tight and flexible required to move the mask with his facial expressions. It doesn't seem like an extremely unrealistic thing that could happen and as it was executed rather perfectly It just doesn't seem like it was edited at all to me. I do get that it had to be edited, but god damn does it look natural.
I wish the Spiderman films would do this instead of the shutter eyes.
That is really cool how they did that... I dont think traditional CGI could have done it anywhere near as convincingly...
This is absolutely brilliant!!! I just assumed they DID do the CGI for it, this is awesome… I wish they did this for Spider-Man too
they kinda did do it for spiderman, Tom Holland’s spiderman has expressive eyes, and they made it look realistic by having the eyes kind of act lime a camera lens
@@kntgaf true but they’re done in post aren’t they, as in there is no image stretching etc just cgi
I liked the video for the sole fact he posted his sources
There are bulge and pinch tools in Photoshop or GIMP or what have you. This is basically a more complex version of that. And it is... Brilliant. I never really questioned it, I assumed maybe there was some rig in the mask but now that it's pointed out I admire this film so much more. Also, only $58 Million? The Flash was like a $300 Million film and can't hold a candle. More VFX definitely doesn't make for a better film.
Here is me writing my character of insanity wears a respirator and goggles most of not all the time here is how people connect body animation for showing emotions you don't need to show the face
Genius.
Wish they just used this to animate spider-man's face in mcu instead of the bad cgi
Good, do Master Chief next.