Did PENTAGON JR do the J.O.B in TNA?
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- čas přidán 8. 05. 2024
- A bit of a different type of video for normal from me today for ring of the hawk season three. I wasn’t expecting to be doing this…what am I talking about I had over a year to prepare for this one: it’s pentagon jr and his time in tna in 2018/2019. He also wrestled a lot with his lucha brother fenix. But there was a singles run at the begging of the matches. Knowing basically nothing about pentagon jr I was expecting a try mysterio type luchadore…boy I was wrong!
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Penta was amazing to me in TNA, LU and MLW, AEW has dropped the ball on him bad.
Agreed
I mean, he's not being presented as the singles star he's capable of being, but considering he's a two time champ I would not consider them dropping the ball on him. Aew just has a different need for him. Would I make him a singles star? 100%. but being a tag champ is better than nothing
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I’m not an AEW fan but they have a bigger Tv deal than any of the other companies. His English promos are subpar. TNA is a fool for ever putting a main title on a non English speaker. When you’re on Tv you need good promos from your main guys. AEW also has WAY more stars than any of those companies. They put the tag and trios title on him. What more should he get?
I’m not an AEW fan but they have a bigger Tv deal than any of the other companies. His English promos are subpar. TNA is a fool for ever putting a main title on a non English speaker. When you’re on Tv you need good promos from your main guys. AEW also has WAY more stars than any of those companies. They put the tag and trios title on him. What more should he get?
The thing with Penta is he's mostly over due to having insane amounts of charisma. I've seen him live multiple times and crowds are practically eating out of his hands from how well he carries himself
Seriously, I latched on to him in the early episodes od Lucha Underground, even when he was just a weirdly out of place lackey for Chavo Gurerro.
he sort of reminds me of La Parka: charismatic with a great look and a guy with enough size and weight to him that he makes a good base for the flippy luchadores (like his brother) to work from.
@@Gammera2000 Penta immediately had my attention in lucha underground. There's just something about him.
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And they don’t know what he saying but they feel it
Like many people said here, my first exposure to Pentagon Jr. was from Lucha Underground (which I miss very much). He's definitely one of my modern faves.
Same , mine was LU and Impact with there fued against L.A.X
Its so sad
LU is so underrated. That’s how I knew Penta, Fenix, Ricochet (Prince Puma) and Killshot (Swerve Strickland). They should have kept it going tbh
Will give Penta credit where it’s due. This man did multiple recording for TNA and LU at the same time . Working rather injured and over exhausted doing many matches back to back before travelling cross state to repeat the progress.
He was jumping between shows non stop when in TNA
To be fair they use to be called “total non stop action” for a reason! 😂
This was all I could think while watching his performance slow and his involvement dwindle as the video went on. These guys usually run themselves ragged
I think Impact's taping schedule might have been an issue for Penta. If I remember correctly, they taped multiple episodes in the same day. All the while, Penta was also wrestling in Lucha Underground & AAA.
He was also doing indys, he's one of the most booked wrestlers I've seen in recent years
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 maybe he's like the mall Santas 😳
@@FruityHuevos i hate how hard this made me laugh
Fenix was doing all the same things.
The long awaited return of the Jeff Hardy monologue
Where did that even start it kills me everytime
I was so excited to see it come back!
R.I.P. Melissa Coates/The Genie.
I met her and Daffney, in 2011. She was a very nice lady!
I had no idea who she was. She just came up to me and my buddy, and started talking to us, like we knew who she was or something. She talked out ear off for 10+ minutes. She was really down to earth, blunt and likable charisma.
This is the problem with post LU penta...he is primarly a tag guy and majority of what made him pretty much a god to LU fans is gone , if you want to properly get what made Pentagon so popular do his entire LU run which is by far the best version of him and the same goes for Fenix.
I think it’s because he got older. You don’t have to do as much as a tag team wrestler
If there's one Penta AEW match I could recommend, it would be the Lucha Brothers vs the Young Bucks in a Steel Cage. IMO the best match those two had in AEW.
One of the best matches AEW has had, that one's a real modern classic.
"This guy's slippery and he looks like an otter so it makes sense." 🤣🤣🤣
- Pentagon Jr is the son of Pentagon, a luchador who had a great feud with the AAA legend Octagon, 30 something years ago, where he lost his mask and the matial arts gimmick to Octagon. (feuds in mexico are seldom with people with the same gimmick and end with a lucha de apuesta, mask v. mask or mask v.hair).
- Hence pentagon inherited the gimmick that he throws a lot of kicks and I think that he incorporates a bit of La Parka with it, through the ring gear and the mannerism. In Mexico he is super over because he is Vampiro's pupil.
- If look closer you will realize that his moveset is the same as Kevin Owens
Actually in Lucha culture if you’re taking up the mantle of your father you’d be called “El Hijo del [insert Luchador’s name]” (like El Hijo del Fantasma who was shown in this video) but if you’re not their son then you’d usually get a Roman numeral or a “Jr,” at the end of your name (the latter would of course be nullified if you have your father’s name and you both wrested under your real names)
@@skeletoncrew6500 ❣
@@skeletoncrew6500 Jr can be for any person who gives their blessing like Blue Demon Jr who is adopted
Will you see him vs Villano 4?
Between the lion dance and the samurai-like gear, it's nice to see the Lucha Brothers to incorporate other cultures in their entrances other than their own.
BUt MuH apPRopRiaShun
That botched Spanish Fly from Fenix looked nasty and Fenix was lucky to not break his neck
I loved Pentagon in IMPACT and it’s always a nice change to see him booked better than his brother Fenix who seems to get all the praise 😃
Yes but penta has always gotten booked better than fenix but the shit fenix does you have no choice but sway towards him
Pentagon Jr was great TNA I was kinda disappointed he didn't stay in TNA for little longer.
He's done pretty well in AEW, to say the least. Probably getting paid much more too.
Lucha Underground is where Pentagon really shined.
Doing trivia tonight and our team are the pigeon boys from the wrestling episode of it’s always Sunny and your hawk hogan image is our image/mascot! I love your content and let my boys know in South Carolina that those jabroni’s keep using Jeff Hardy’s move!
I’m honoured
Marky, youre killing me with the switch back and forth between “cutter” and “RKO”
It was like a 40 minute script give me a break brother 😂
@@Markyd123 LOL You got it this time Marky next time though….its the brick
Remember when HBK ended matches with super kicks and now it’s a transitional move akin to a punch?
Hell remember when a diamond cutter was a move of death?
@@mets137781Y’all Never Heard of Progression? Remember When the Superplex Was a Finisher Now It’s a Regular Move? Progression🤯Mind Blowing, I Know
Same thing happened to ddts
I completely forgot Pentagon Jr was in TNA damn he was awesome he gave flashback of the old X Division days
Excellent video as always. Nice to see my guys Penta and Kanyon in the top rankings for Ring of the Hawk.
yeah definitely think you should review his lucha run, also reviewing all of lucha underground would be cool
Lucha Underground booked Penta perfectly. I had no idea he was an Impact World Champion 😮
The Key to the Lucha Brothers team, and his involvement in many matches in this run overall, is that Pentagon is a damage sponge... He can take a huge amount of abuse in the matches, and his opponents look good... Also, his sling blade blows Seth Rollins and Finn Balor out of the water for its look... Best execution of that move I have ever seen stateside on a consistent basis
Yeah he actually makes that move look good. His super kicks are trash though
Hiroshi Tanahashi is the originator of the move and back in the day at least always looked great doing it. He's past his prime now though.
@@planescaped true... But when is the last time he used it stateside?😉👍
@@tacoenvy Gotta agree... His arm breaker, destroyer, and package Pile-driver are his bread and butter, along With the sling blade
Really hope you do his run in Lucha Underground. That is what put him on the map.
I personally liked Pentagon's run in IMPACT with the main highlights being his tag title run and the feud with Sami Callihan. He was also amazing in Lucha Underground where, like many fans, were first exposed to him and it's the show that made him a star.
Also, insert day number here of me requesting Marty The Moth's Lucha Underground run for Ring Of The Hawk.... also, if the rumours are true about him leaving AEW (and he does), CM Punk could qualify for Ring Of The Hawk with 23 matches so far. I'd like to see that.
he was great sami callihan has the charisma of a pile of dogshit
Why do I love the Jeff Hardy bit so much it's up there with a wild slap nuts appearing
Yo Hawk, please keep doing the old TNA PPV reviews. It’s been a minute since your last video. I honestly love those reviews and cant wait for a cab driver slam a cab driver slam!
This was was really surprising!
Would love to see the hawk review more lucha shows
Marky duuuudddeee, that Jeff Hardy clip is the best most random thing every time I see it. Duuuuudde. I was watching Impact wrestling with my friend Shannnnonnnnnn
Very honest reviews. I feel Pentagon did his best work in Lucha Underground
even more rarity in this episode, two title wins. xD
Yea good point
I always loved watching Pentagon's matches
If I remember correctly, the Lucha Brothers wrestled like 500 matches a year during this time. They were full timers in multiple promotions, it's no wonder that Penta wasn't full effort in a lot of his matches here. He can definitely be a top level performer when he's all out, both on his own and also in the Lucha Bros.
I was introduced to pentagon jr. at lucha Underground and become one of my all time faves, I watched him also in aew, pwg, and also tna, I wanted to see him in the main event picture as a singles star in aew as he was in LU
Taya Valkyrie shot John E Bravo. Her punishment was her going to Stanford Prison (WWE), but she got out after only a year with good behaviour.
Pentagon was the perfect tweener in LU. I genuinely feel like he was the best tweener in the last 10 years in LU. I feel like AEW hasn’t been doing the best with fenix and pentagon because they don’t need to be in a tag team. They’re that damn good
Pentagon was great, but I'd DEFINITELY say he was a Heel more than a Tweener. If you try to set a man on fire because he stopped you breaking an innocent woman's arm, you are EVIL.
Really enjoyed your coverage of Penta, I think you'll get a kick out his LU run. Penta defiantly gets booked in a more stronger light !
Hell yeah, I’ve been waiting for this one! Kawh!
thank you for covering pentagon
Fair rating. I like his charisma and overall apperance a lot, probably one of my favorites when it comes to looks.
Sweet. I was hoping we see this
I only know Penta from LU, AAA and AEW so it's crazy to me that he does so little so often. In most matches it feels like he has a list of moves he absolutely has to get in before the end that he speedruns through
also has to do his weird taunt thing 10 times a match
@@SharkSprayYTP thats to fill his special meter.
@@SharkSprayYTP i know, it's great isn't it? Surprised Marky didn't mention it more tbh
The Lucha Underground Run I enjoyed a lot
I think it's a good idea to bring him in. The Hawk needs to have more masked wrestlers looking up at the lights for him. Diversify that portfolio.
That zero fear thing he does to start every match is so awesome. I luv it
It sounds like he's calling Fenix, FedEx. Now you can't unhear it 🤣
Alot like other comments, Lucha Underground pentagon is why he was positioned so highly out of the gate coming into impact. He managed to get over massively and the Cero Miedo phrase was too catchy
That Full Metal Mayhem match made this all worth it. Incredible match.
I think I hated the first Marky video I watched.
Then I watched 13 more. And now I'm just going through them all. And I think I'm a fan of the Hawk. They're just so well made and thorough, with some pretty neutral looks at all sorts of different wrestling runs. He really grows on you
Love your videos hawk
Pentagon is one of my favorites but he is definitely more about his character then his in ring work not that he's a bad wrestler which he is definitely not .
The point is I fully understand and agree with your assessment based solely on the way that you have always scored these videos
The feud with OVE, the hair vs mask match, and the Mexican death match are the matches that in my mind cemented Sami Callahan as one of the biggest heels and most over and respected guys on the impact roster since the TNA days before 2015, it definitely made me a big Callahan fan.
Howdy Hawk, long time subscriber first time commenter here. I've always appreciated your wrestling commentary and I was so hyped to see ya cover Pentagon Jr! I think TNA screwed up putting him in too many tag matches, since he's a much better singles wrestler. If ya get a chance look up his match with Kenny Omega, you'll see him go the distance. Honestly that's why in those middle matches he just seemed to lose interest, cuz Pentagon is just way better wrestling singles against more high profile guys. Anyway, thanks for give my boy Zero Fear a watch and keep up the good work, or I'll go bezerk!!!
I still have a piece of the table and thumbtacks from Rebellion 2019. I'm the bald guy with the black sweater at 31:48 trying to slap hands. Awesome match live!
Hey Hawk, big fan over here! Can i give you two indications for candidates on Ring of the Hawk?
Doug Williams's run on TNA - Since you love wrestlers who use bricks!
LAX's first run on TNA with Konnan - They were completely badasses!
Thanks Hawk!
Pentagon, Jr. is great. He's above average for a Luchador, at around 5'11" about 220 lbs.
Not sure I can buy that Eli drake was towering over him who’s not a tall guy himself
@@Markyd123 Sorry to keep repeating, but can you do both warrior runs post 1992?
Heights and weights in wrestling are a work, I saw him at Martinez Entertainment in Dallas area. He looked about 5'8 or 5'9.
@@Markyd123 yeah I'm 5'11, I was about 5 feet from him, I think 5'8.
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 I made an entire video about wrestlers lying about heights. Some interesting ones in there for sure
If you like the Sami Callihan match, he had a great Hardcore match against Vampiro in Lucha Underground.
@7:18 Double A sat him on a pillow 🤗🤣 the softest d valley driver ever
I personally love penta he's one of my favorite modern talents along with certain guys in new japan but he's been heavily underutilized as off late. If I were to give a recommendation for ring of the hawk then maybe an episode of either Okada in tna or M.V.P's run in tna
I wonder if Brian Cage would qualify to be on an episode of Ring of the Hawk. Not really sure how many matches he had with the company but his run was interesting to say the least.
Fantasma is that Santos Escobar guy. Also the Impact title win was because him and Fenix replaced Patron who no showed I believed
CZcams is NOT giving me notifications for this channel..Pentagon is dope Broski!!!💯
Pentagon in Lucha Underground was THE GUY. His match against Vampiro at Ultima Lucha is one of my favorite matches of all time.
Hhheeyy penta is in my top 3 favs. The death triangle is one of the best things in AEW. Love the channel.. Phenix is deff in my top 10 favs too . Great workers
That first match! Damn that was good shit!
I've seen match 6, only one out of this. Loved the super RKO party lol
That first match summed up both Penta and Fenix for me. The first time you see them you can't help but be impressed by their athleticism and fluidity, they're very, very good at what they do.
However, once you've seen a few matches you realise that you saw everything they could do the first time around. What follows is the same match filled with the same no-selling consequence free high spots, 25 superkicks and matches that go on forever.
If you dig choreography and cooperation leading to incredibly athletic high spots then they're for you. If you want any subtlety, ring psychology, story-telling or god forbid believable wrestling then they're probably not.
I got bored of them very quickly in AEW. If the matches were shorter it'd cover a lot of the problems as the main issue is all those devastating moves that lead nowhere or get no sold.
first time I ever saw him was Lucha Underground man is very talented
Penta and Fenix are two of my favs. My first exposure was his Impact run and I later saw his work in Lucha Underground which was amazing. I miss that show. Marky D failed to acknowledge the whole situation that led to Penta winning the championship. Alberto El Patron no showed the main event on the AAA show against Aries. They then did Aries vs Penta vs Fenix with Aries retaining. They then rushed to do a rematch for Impact in which they booked a shock finish with Penta winning. At the time there was a lot of cross over with Impact and AAA/Lucha Underground. Based on the taping schedule, I believe he actually had the belt less than a week.😂
I mean the match that I remember from his Impact run is the Slammiversary hardcore match which was brutally great and also the HOME COMING tag match with LAX...
7:14 Omg that’s John e bravo
Penta jr and FedEx are a good team
Penta El Zero M was a beast in lucha underground but he started in Mexico. I wonder if he's still doing good
Can you do Rvd impact wrestling run 2019 to 2021 he was in 25 matches.
His Lucha Underground run was a good time from what I remember, but I found most of Lucha Underground a good time so maybe i’ve got rose tinted glasses
I loved him in Lucha Underground but had no idea he wrestled in TNA as well.
12:04 At first I heard as "Seagal Squad" 😆Whoa! Steven Seagal going Wrestling. Just kidding :)
Never stop doing the JOB!
Penta had a fantastic run in Lucha Underground, and dude has some strenght for his size and some fantastic moves. But as I saw in AEW he falls into the 'big flashy moves are what will get me over' bit. His Tag Matches in AEW as part of the Lucha Bro's are pretty infamous for them just never bothering to follow the rules of a match directly in front of the ref, so any kind of match psychology was out the window, more-so than most AEW matches.
Return of the swanton steal love it
I've tried to enjoy their matches when i first saw them 3 years ago , but like they are entertaining if you have short attention span, and just want to see a spot fest , not to say that these matches don't have a spot in wrestling just as an opener ir something
30:21 I swear I thought he said "Rest In Peace S1u+ Lady"! 😂😂😂 I knew he probably hadn't but to my ears it sounded like he had. I mean.....shes kinda dressed like one ya hnow 😂😂😂
I first caught Pentagon on LU when I binge watched every episode on Netflix. You can put me in the camp of people who was expecting more high flying BUT I think the ground work he puts in fits his character better. He does not need to be flashy, that is for all the other guys. He just needs to show up, kill everyone, then leave.
Pentagon was one of the main characters through all 4 Lucha Underground seasons and for me, it's hard to say which season was Pentagon's best
Penta’s work in Lucha Underground, MLW and AAA was amazing. His run in TNA was pretty good in my opinion. The problem with the TNA run is Penta was outshined by Fenix, like you mentioned. Penta is in my top 5 of Luchador wrestlers.
His match with Omega at All in is a banger
I think that weird entrance costume they wore may have been samurai inspired
I cry laughing every time you do the Jeff hardy impression. 😂 I'm going back to Carolina 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You should do a series with Lucha Underground like you did with Ring Ka King
Love when the Ring of the Hawk comes out. Always a good day and if you don't agree eat a brick.
Penta was mostly signed to be a tag team guy with his brother in AAA and AEW. He's been doing quite well. He's definitely a mainstay and has even beaten the Bucks with Fenix.
I like Penta well enough. His matches are almost always fun. But, I am always more interested in seeing Fenix who I think is one of the most exciting wrestlers in the world.
since i had watch him pentagon and fenix in lucha underground
i like his style badass wrestling in indie wrestler pentagon is no.1 on my list
have you considered a ppv version of this? ODB has way too many matches to be RotH, but was a cornerstone of tna for years. it'd be interesting to see who stepped up for ppv vs regular tv tapings.
When I saw the picture I thought 7 was in tna lol
watch his lucha underground work his wrestling/lucha ability is really put on display there definitely his best piece of work
LETS GO
Hey, how about Test in ECW for the J-O-B? Your Test clip reminded me of his brief return.
pentagon jr is a fucking legend and you will respect him ..zero miedooooo !!!
How about Micheal Elgin for Ring Of The Hawk in TNA/Impact