Classrooms in Crisis: Teachers speak about the outbursts they've endured
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- Teachers came together to talk to KGW's Cristin Severance about the disruptions they have witnessed and heard about. They're calling these outbursts a crisis.
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My mother always said, “You may not make straight A’s but you can behave “. Parents, you are failing your children.
Damn straight.
Cell phones in the classroom were also game-changers. Incentives to put them away voluntarily don’t generally work and admin won’t prohibit them bc parents want kids to have them. They distract, are used to cheat,…
Some say you can incorporate them into lessons, but you can’t do that the whole time and if they can be on social media, watching videos, or playing games, why would they participate in your silly boring lessons? 😂
It’s awful.
@@Teal_Seal I'm a substitute teacher and I deal with this CRAP every day!!!...Thank you for your comment!!
@@Eric-yp9nc I subbed before and after cell phones and it was never easy, but they made it infinitely worse. I watched regular teachers slowly walk the rows asking each to, “Please put away your phone,” and the kids would set them on their laps. Soon as the teacher passed, out they came again.
I asked one to give me his and he walked out of the room with his backpack. Wouldn’t tell me his name so I had to take attendance again with ID cards bc none of the other kids would tell me his name.
Another time I asked a kid for his phone and he put it down his pants and told me to come get it.
I got a million of em 😂
Sounds like you do too.
This is the future of America! 🤦🏻♀️
Some teachers try incentives, but not many kids care enough about their grades to do them. I’m talking easy extra credit for just placing the phone in a hanging pouch in the front of the room.
Sad sad sad.
@T T I'm a new teacher. This is my second year. I teach math to seniors. I get really frustrated to try to teach my lessons while my students are listening to music, watching Netflix etc. I tried to take their cellphone away. But I was never supported by my administration.
I had a parent telling me that I had no right to take his phone away during class. Needless to say that the student didn't pass my class because he was always on his phone and now he won't graduate. Now I'm getting emails from this parent asking what the student can do to pass the class.
Dr. Julia Hare’s words ring true:
“The teachers are afraid of the principals; the principals are afraid of the Superintendents; the Superintendents are afraid of the school board, the school boards are afraid of the parents; the parents are afraid of the kids and the kids aren’t afraid of anyone!”
So true
This exactly.
It's a vicious cycle. I am an Oregon student myself. It's sad to see this foul behavior.
Charli you win the golden egg! Well stated. The biggest reason kids misbehave is that they have no parameters set for them for behavior and everyday courtesies. Parents need to discipline at home and the schools need to discipline at school. We need to bring back corporal punishment at public schools. I am in no way condoning violence nor acts of extreme punishment. If, however, kids know from the get go, as I did "back in the day" that if they step out of line there are exact and stated consequences, that is enough to deter most of the behavior problems. We cannot fix this with "love" in class. Get real.
Exactly
When I was a kid they hired principals to take care of problems! It wasn't the teacher's responsibility. The teacher was there to teach, and the principal was there to back up the teacher.
Yes, if only! In my experience, principals’ main objective is to be popular with the kids.
When I was a kid they used to send people to the principal's office for acting out. You get kicked out of school. Doesn't that happen anymore? I honestly never got sent to the principal's office. I behaved. I knew to act out it was wrong and you don't do that
@@merricat3025 Schools get paid by the student. They can’t afford to kick bad kids out because that’d be 90% of the student body.
I have worked in several schools as a substitute and there was only one single school, where the principal was a real MAN, helping the teacher with his natural authority in case of a serious outburst of some sort. In other schools the principal just avoided the confrontation, when he would have been needed to provide support for a teacher in trouble with impossible cases. There were students stealing from me and the other teachers and principal of that school expected me to forgive them!!! Then I tried to solve that problem on my own and got critisized for traumatizing them by "trying to find snitches"...in other words, it is totally acceptable to steal from your teacher, but she must be overly polite to talk about it. You loose the rest of your authority facing your students with that lack of collegial support.
Spot on…
My wife had a student who would have daily meltdowns. He'd throw pens and pencils across the room and destroy his books. He even pushed her once. The parent did nothing and actually blamed her for making him upset. He wouldn't meltdown when in trouble. He'd melt down when got anything wrong in class. Anything. The parent refused to get him assessed. She left the school after only a few weeks of the violent meltdowns and harassment from the parent. It's not worth your mental health to deal with these kids and their parents. Especially the parents.
Some parents easily blame teachers or pass down parents’ failures of raising their kids to teachers.
They had special classes for that type of child, in my days in school. So send the kid home and let the parents deal with him/her!
Yeah, that's BS refusing to get your kid assessed, that is straight up a learning disability/autism-type behavior.
How old was the kid?
Sorry your wife had to deal with that, but teachers need to become smarter. Had your wife recorded the student's behavior, as it was happening, she would have been able to show the mother. If by law she needs permission to record from all parties present, just ask the students as a class project, and then do whatever triggers the outburst.
Teachers these days like to complain, but they do NOTHING. The reason O'Keefe-style video evidence makes an impact is because people are brave and they'd rather risk losing their jobs (in your wife's case she voluntarily lost it) for THE GREATER GOOD OF THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS.
Expose those who are doing wrong. People can't just be told something's happening, YOU HAVE TO SHOW THEM. A parent can't deny a teacher's claim if there is video evidence.
My oldest was pulled out of school and homeschooled via state virtual program after developing anxiety issues being around other students that were out of control. The breaking point was when she was accidentally hit in the head by a chair that was thrown at the teacher. She was terrified to go back to class. These kids are terrorizing other children and administrators do not want to address it.
I let my son drop out because of it and go to Job Corps instead. He couldn't handle the other kids either. He wanted to learn, but kids made it impossible.
Appalling, simply appalling! Anxiety was never a thing when I was growing up, at least not in kids and I don't truly believe 90% of the people who say they have anxiety, it's used too often as an excuse to get out of doing anything that makes them the tiniest bit uncomfortable, but in your daughter's case, I can see a bit more why kids would have anxiety, which is absolutely terrible. School for me was fun for the most part. I can't imagine being terrified of it because of a fear of being injured. We live in such different times, and not for the better!
@@moosedawg71 she had the added complexity of high functioning Aspergers so it was a lot for her. I’m so glad those days are over for her and for me!
Talk about a goose egg, lots of hugs for her. Good on you for listening and supporting her in her learning.
Women need to quit teaching, let the men teach. See how they can survive.....that will make the system look for a solution, usually if anything affects women they don't give a crap about finding solutions to the problems.
It’s impossible to teach a class effectively with a student taking all your energy due to behavioral issues!
Yup. I just resigned.
@@ElizabethDevore1996 Please make a video or do an interviews I want to hear your story.
This is what happens when women feel like they can tell fathers how they should act as a parent. Undisciplined, coddled, and emotionally weak children. Fathers are the pillars of discipline. Mothers and female teachers will at worst give a slap on the wrist.
@@Eckh4rt I agree...but too many homes/kids WITHOUT fathers...
As a sub teacher when I get a brat like this in class...I just call the principal and tell him/her to come to my class and remove child from my class. Don't think that works for permanent teachers...but as subs they have to do this. I had a class years ago, it was a 3 day assignment, I lasted in this kindengarten class for only 2 hours. I walked out the classroom after having a chair thrown at me, kicked in the shin, and a child attempting to bite my forearm...all this under 2 hours!!!! with 5 years old at that!!!! I went to the principal as the kids were outside for recess and told him I was leaving class and never coming back to that school again!!! He asked me why. I simply told him the class was was out of control and no one with half a brain would ever set foot in that class again!!!
The last school I worked at a 4th grader literally knocked their teacher unconscious. Were they expelled? oh no. They only were moved to another school and only at the request of the teacher. Seriously folks. If schools had to report out EVERY. ACT. OF. VIOLENCE. happening within their walls the public would be shocked.
When I taught ghetto high school and Job Corps GED I was assaulted ten times in four years. But I also got some blows in myself. Public school needs to be converted over to remote learning and tough shit for the parents. It’s just too ridiculous for words.
@@suehunt6362 Rural schools are indeed FUBAR. As are urban schools. As are suburban schools. Kind of looks like they’re all FUBAR. Civilization is in decline. If the grownups can’t even outwit a bunch of disorganized kids then what can they pull off? Apparently not much. I agree with the CZcamsr burnt out teacher with a Ph.D who believes remote learning will become the default position. It’s be sink or swim but mainly just go away and leave me alone because I don’t care and neither does anyone else. There’s something about modernity where you just can’t get people to learn to read anymore. But most people have always been stupid so we shouldn’t be surprised.
In my school, the principal would have accused the teacher for provoking the student. The teacher would’ve been dismissed.
@@alexa3322 Absolutely. It really is that inane. But what these administrators miss is that it’s not really possible to soothe all of the kids by “de escalating” for the simple reason that the current system pits the kids against each other in a mandatory competition refereed by the teachers whose job it is to force the kids to work. The only way you could soothe all of the misfits would be by abolishing grades, making all classes audited or even optional, allowing kids to cut out to go chill doing something else whenever they wished, and finally, by actually sedating the belligerent kids. But that’s not the system we have. At the high school level teachers frequently get physically assaulted by older teenagers who are in some cases a great deal larger and more menacing than the teachers themselves. Are the teachers expected to allow the kids to beat them up just to prove how nice they are? I had to inform my department chairman that if any of the juvenile delinquents in the building were to assault me then I would have no choice but to inflict a beating on them simply as a matter of course in the normal sphere of surviving and functioning in the real world as it manifestly exists for all to see no matter how obtuse they might be. And to do any differently would simply be contributing to those kids’ eventual downfall and imprisonment by giving them a false sense of self confidence which sense of entitlement would inevitably lead to their being brutalized by the police. This last scenario played out before my eyes as I switched from high school to community college and witnessed one of my former students beaten down and packed off to the county jail by the campus police for trying to intimidate staff members. They found an outstanding bench warrant on him in their database so the Bedford Heights police were summoned to convey him to the county jail from the metro campus of Cuyahoga Community College in downtown Cleveland.
The only way to run mandatory universal schooling is if you have corporal punishment administered by the teachers themselves immediately and without appeal to higher authority. If it is the principal who has to intervene then this undermines the teachers credibility. But society cannot stomach such retrograde brutality so it is inevitable that remote learning will become the default position once it becomes impossible to attract or retain teachers, which is inevitable, not to mention that no one really wants to pay teachers a living wage.
The family unit is disappearing. That’s a huge part of the problem. That and children having children. I’m 57 years old and made sure that my wife and I stayed together and taught our son to do his best and to treat others with respect. We never had 1 problem with him in school.
Agree completely. If mom isn’t home and dad isn’t home, then who’s home to raise the kids? They’re letting the internet do the raising, and we’re now starting to see how that turns out
Teen pregnancy is actually down significantly, and the family unit has been decimated for decades. The problem is parents can’t support their children, and don’t parent them. The kids are given diagnosis and parents and educators use that as an excuse to not discipline. In my day this behavior would result in expulsion, but not anymore. They believe in “restorative justice” which basically is just coddling. Giving the kid candy, and validating their feelings. In theory, restorative justice is supposed to address the major problems in the kids life, but you can’t fix poverty and severe family dysfunction. Teachers cannot TOUCH a child, so the kids knows they can beat a teacher, but it’s a felony to even restrain the child. There is behavior so bad that the child needs to be removed from the school. Period. We need a law that allows that to happen. The child can still homeschool, or get a GED. If the child has severe mental deficiency they need to be in a special school.
@brandy4530
"There is behavior so bad that the child needs to be removed from the school. Period. We need a law that allows that to happen."
Also, laws not allowing teachers to touch/restrain children should be repealed. Period. I wonder how supporters of such laws would feel if their own child was seriously injured (or worse) at school by the actions of an out-of-control student, but that injury would have been avoided if the teacher had restrained the perpetrator? Also, a question for those who believe in so-called restorative justice, which you say is basically just coddling, rather than imposing negative consequences for misbehavior, is this: why not apply that approach to teachers who violate laws regarding student behavior management? That is, if students can behave as badly as they do without suffering consequences, why shouldn't teachers be able to touch/restrain such students without suffering consequences? If students who violate rules shouldn't be punished, why should teachers?
Note how very carefully these teachers have learned to speak.
This is one of the many reasons I left my role as a teacher. Speaking your mind and not catch phrases will get you in HOT water.
@YYZpresto --Yes, yes, YESS!!!! _Exactly_ right!!!!!
School is about compliance, not knowledge. You might think you want censorship, but the more rules there are, the more rule-breakers you make. "Detention" for shitty fuckin foul-mouth is not about knowledge. it's about compliance. Gettin those boys ready to be "detained" by the police. The best cure for rebelliousness is admiration. And how could a proud boy admire such a scummy tool of a human(the female-favoring females) in a shitty system that doesn't teach but instead forces compliance. Cobra effect all day long.
Don't forget that EVERYTHING IS
RACIST. Of course by white folks
towards blacks and hispanics.
That is force fed to all in this country. Enough already!!!
@@jumbodump What is this word salad? Make it make sense. I'll wait while you get the tongs ... 💅
It's unbelievable I never saw a teacher get disrespected by a student when I was a child.
Same here.
I did just twice and I'm still in high school, one was by a 12 grade student and and the other one was me
This is what happens when women feel like they can tell fathers how they should act as a parent. Undisciplined, coddled, and emotionally weak children. Fathers are the pillars of discipline. Mothers and female teachers will at worst give a slap on the wrist.
@@Eckh4rt The reason is not "women [feeling] like they can tell father how they should act", the reason is fathers not being in the home PERIOD. I didn't have my father in my home growing up and haven't seen or heard from him in 16 years when I was a teenager and ran away to find him.
Now I want to be clear: I'm not blaming neither men nor women. I'm simply noting that the rate of children growing up with no father in the home has exploded and you're right, when you're a single mom, you can't do both jobs at once (being the nurterer and the disciplinarian). It's too much for one person to handle.
I did once when I was in 6th grade, but it was nowhere near as bad as it is now. I was a camp counselor at some Christian camp last year and I had this 4th grader ask if I was drunk because I made him move seats when he was talking during chapel time. Also I'm an education major and during my field experience I saw some kid call a substitute the n word cause he was asked to move seats and he refused to go to the office even when asked
I had to look up what a "room clear" was because I have never heard of such a thing. NEVER when I was in school, from K-12 did any student EVER have a "melt down" in the classroom to where the room had to be cleared. Sure, there were a couple outbursts that resulted in the STUDENT being taken to the office, but never did the entire room need to be evacuated to let a kid just "get it all out". That's insanity, IMO! Why on earth are children allowed to even act like this?! Why are parents letting their children get to this level of bad behavior?! This nonsense has gotten out of hand, there is NO excuse why children can't behave in class. All the generations before this one were able to behave in class for the most part, there's always one or 2, but WTH is wrong with this generation that they essentially act like wild animals?! Parents, get your kids in check, NOW!
It’s troubling to hear these teachers owning the problems in their classrooms when the fact is the children just haven’t been parented. Schools need to start having baseline requirements - if your child will not obey because you haven’t bothered to teach him to, we will not accept him in school. Parents will wake up when the free babysitting starts to disappear.
Also, verbiage like “we can’t meet these kids’ needs” - that is NOT their job! Their job is to teach/educate. I’m not saying not to care, but we need to bring back expelling kids who are so disruptive that they aren’t learning and are preventing others from doing so.
Your comment enlightened me as a teacher . You are absolutely right. It’s easy to be brainwashed when all you want is to do right by the kids.
It's becoming scarce to see kids being held responsible for their actions, too many parents are uncomfortable with parenting.
Also because you don't know what you're going to get in trouble about just trying to discipline a child
Parents aren't uncomfortable. They are lazy. For instance, if my sister's kids were to break her tv, we would have to call CPS. If her kids broke your tv, you should have not made it accessible to her kids. At this point, we need to start holding parents responsible for the actions of their children. Only then, will they see the point in dealing with things they don't feel like being bothered with.
Why would Child protective services be called if a child broke a TV???
@@winecrimesfoodandtime7119 i don't know if you're talking about laying your hands on the children
Everyone is told to become parents and many refuse to do research before doing so. People treat their kids like glorified pets. They think that neglecting them wont cause any problems. They treat a lifelong commitment like a hobby.
Everyone should be mandated to substitute teach for a week each school year. Especially parents to see what we have to deal with. It's only my second year as a teacher and it's the worst job I have ever had 100% BECAUSE OF STUDENT BEHAVIOR
1st year here and I'm not enjoying it at all. I can't imagine a second year at this point.
Parent's behavior is not good usually either. Principals don't help discipline.
It's too bad you don't get to student teach in the 1st semester of your education...so you see the reality of what teaching will be like for you. That way you see it and back off from getting your degree in education and do something that won't be so awful. Instead they have you student teach as your last semester...too late by then to change careers!
@@michellevill6467 Quit while you are still young enough to pivot and change careers. I have been sub teaching now for 12 years "part time" and it's been getting worse and worse every year!
Everyone?
I could understand parents and administrators but as a child free by choice individual, I didn’t sign up for kids and sure as heck don’t need to be taught or informed about what teachers go through.
To the older teachers that have been in the profession for at least 20 years I can understand their frustration with the new generation of kids. I’m 39 and my generation did not disrespect our teachers like kids do today.
The rest of the teachers such as the newer ones, should have thought about their career path and use their critical thinking skills before becoming a teacher. These kids are BAD. They don’t respect their elders and cellphones have made it incredibly difficult to teach . The pay is low and the overall reward isn’t there as it was with previous generations.
So leave the child free by choice out of it. I don’t owe my time to anyone, my time goes to working and traveling without a worry about anything. 💅🏽
When a nine year old hild is allowed to rule a classroom and destroy it while the principal stands by and supervises the tirade...what do you expect. More than once ive seen it as a substitute. The rest of the class had to go to the library for the afternoon while the principal coached the kid to "clean the room" he had destroyed for an hour.
Which of course disrupts the other students learning time.
This is 4 years later and things are just worse . I am raising a teenage grandson who is one of these trouble makers and it seems to be impossible to just make him stop ! We are in contact with all of his teachers trying to help even though it is no better for us in our home . When we had to call the police to our home because he was out of control and cussing us and laughing at us and the policeman said their is nothing I can do unless he hits you .. Wow . So I am sorry teachers ❤
It's not just the troubled kid that needs to feel safe at school. It's also the other kids in that classroom situation. It's traumatic to the other kids (especially lower levels) to be trapped in a room as someone "goes off and loses it".
Yep, it's traumatic for white kids to go to black schools, I consider it child abuse & parents should go to fucking JAIL if they don't correct it IMMEDIATELY!!!
Yes, this! People are often so focused on the child in crisis they forget how much the other kids are affected by this behavior. I've worked with children who have lasting effects from being inside a classroom with a child with severe behavior issues. It is very similar to being in a family with someone with severe behavior issues!
We need to go back to segregated classrooms with special education kids getting more attention away from other kids who need to be able to learn. Teachers can’t teach like this.
Not a teacher. I did not know that things were so bad in schools. I have no children. Non problem kids are suffering secondary trauma being in these classes. I was a kid that grew up in a family with domestic violence. I was The Lost Child in school I didn't cause any problems. School was scary for me as a little kid ( a very shy)but I wasn't afraid of being hurt there. If I were a kid in school nowadays facing this I would be traumatized.
@@Samtabulous exactly! The well-behaved children are ignored over time. 😔
Had a principal who blamed the teachers for not managing a particular student-- gave them no choice and no voice-- until he trashed her office-- then the police were called
This is happening in so many fields. General managers at my previous jobs didn't take events or irate customers as serious, until they themselves interacted with them. Management has such a high superiority complex.
Yeah, the principal can call the cops, but the teacher CAN'T!
And when the police are called, as they were in one case when I was teaching community college, they will inflict severe beatings on belligerent teenagers, drag them to the campus police station, and search their database for any outstanding bench warrants, then it’s off to the county jail.
I've been hit, spit at, swung at, and called profane things, had my classroom destroyed, all at an elementary level. I had one person suggest I should teach middle school because of my resilience. Yeah, uh, no.
I have to add this as a middle-school student. I was put in a English class that was so out-of-control students had gangs among themselves and just goofed-off. The teacher just sat at her desk doing nothing. NO, and I mean no teaching was being done. As a middle-schooler I absolutely refused to attend that English class and instead went to the school library. When the school administration came to me (not my parents) and inquired I told them my reasons and that I was "NOT" returning to that English class, eventually they put me in another English class.
I’m sorry. I had to do something similar too - thank goodness my mom was a nerd and had basically a library at home. I’d bring books with me so I could read as the rest of the kids messed off. When I told my mom what was going on, since she couldn’t afford to send me to private school or to homeschool me she gave me those books and said “You’ll find you’re often in charge of your own learning” I don’t know how much I can apply that to math since I’m hopeless in that, but I learned so much about 18th century France, the French Revolution and Chicano lit (She had Sandra Cisneros’ books for a start), along with ancient Egypt. It was some random subjects, but at least I learned a lot. A lot more than my classmates at the very least. Good on you for taking charge too. You grab your books and keep moving forward. ❤
I have been teaching middle school in Texas for 6 years. Last year, there was a fight in my classroom. I broke it up and called security. My principal had a meeting with me after school and told me it was my fault. She was going to write me up, but she never went through with it. Just one of many threats she made. I had another student throw wet paper towels at me in the hallway while calling me a derogatory name. It was during my planning period.
Once again, my principal said ," It is your fault because you don't have control of your classroom." Even though this student wasn't one of mine and it was during my planning period. That's the day I realized I had no support and I resigned. It's really sad. All I ever wanted to be was a teacher.
Did the school start turning ghetto ?
@MIchael Fassbender I am subbing right now. Been trying to get my mental health better and looking for a 9 to 5 job.
@@ClownBiden I am not sure what you mean by ghetto exactly. However, it was one of the oldest buildings, the heater rarely worked and there was at least one fight a day, if not more. But the worst part was the principal blaming all the teachers for her lack of consistency in discipline.
Did it turn into a shit hole neighborhood, with the fatherless rate is more than 70 percent
You taught Me something today ....
Did You have a Union ?
Did You record Her telling You these things ? ( Sad , but necessary )
After 2nd incident and Her response , I would have mentioned to Her that You have recorded proof of Her "handling" of these situations and if She won't support You , You'll have to take Your case to the Parents and Newspapers .....
Then I would have talked to "like" minded Teachers and decided if these "kids" were worth fighting for .....
If the Principal tried playing "hardball" , after a third confrontation with Her I would just crumple to the ground and say She smacked You in the face .....
Then , it's up to the Lawyers , do what They tell You .....
Every single bit of this falls on parents, administrators, and state level decision makers. Meanwhile teachers and the children who are there to learn get the short end of the stick.
So true.
Yup
I'm a teacher and EVERYTHING these teachers said is accurate. I especially like the comment about how parents can get things done that teachers can't. Parents can advocate for a better education system which would help everyone, but most importantly it would help THEM!
The issue is that this society does not trust teachers, they automatically distrust us!! This attitude has permeated teaching since the founding of our country. I was friends with a teacher who had her 3 kids in sports and she would tell us at lunch what parents said about teachers as they watched their kids play soccer. It was eye opening.
@@kathleenreardon8943 I believe you.
It’s my first year going into teaching and I can attest to this still being a huge issue. This is still the case & tenfold. And I know why-it’s the smartphones, laptops, tablets, and TV. I’m surprised not one word was said about that in this interview. Kids are now growing up with the internet and parents are allowing it to take over their duties. And I say this as a parent myself. I worry incessantly about screen time with my kids and still slack on it enough to know it’s an unhealthy balance, because I’m addicted too and have my own struggles managing and my kids suffer the consequences of that. It sucks but it’s the truth. The sooner we stop denying our own addictions to technology, the faster we can begin to tend to the needs of our youth.
Yes, it’s really bad
2nd grade teacher here. This story rings so true. There are some years that there are multiple unregulated students in one room. It's like walking on egg shells. My materials have been destroyed, teaching time has been disrupted, and the other students are traumatized. This never would've happened 20 years ago. It's sad how much the profession I love has changed.
Reading through these comments makes me sad but "my materials have been destroyed" really breaks my heart. Teachers work so hard setting up their room and creating a cozy atmosphere for learning! And of course, the trauma to the other children in the class is the TRUE tragedy. I honestly don't know how teachers do it, but I appreciate your efforts. 🙂
Absolutely
@David Penny These kids need to be institutionalized if they can’t behave. They are future felons. And save us with the scripture. It doesn’t prove a single thing about why kids are evil. It just states punishments which are all illegal today anyway
@David Penny people who work in education have this lingo that we have to speak in because discipline, consequences and student accountability has been thrown out the window in the school system. For some odd reason. Things like PBIS that do more harm than good to kids. We can’t say acting out or misbehaving so the word everyone uses is “unregulated.” you can’t say being bad or a kid is bad so people say they have “behaviors” or the kid is “behavioral” Etc it’s a school system issue
Thanks to liberalism.
This happens MULTIPLE times in my daughters class
She comes home in tears telling me what happens and says she just wants to go a school where she can learn
It’s heartbreaking that my child is affected by this
Parents aren’t parents anymore
DameDeluxe my son tells me the same stories of children throwing tantrums and screaming through the hallways. He said it worries him that his classmate behaves like that.💔 he’s only 8!🤦🏻♀️
Why aren't either of you considering homeschooling?
@mushroom Our son-in-law did not attend public school - but was homeschooled and graduated college with a physics degree. He is now a commercial airline pilot, composer, and father of 2, including an adoption. Our adopted grandson was in the public school system but couldn't even write out the alphabet nor read by the age of 8. My daughter decided to homeschool these last 2 years and he is reading at well above his grade level and up to par in math and spelling. Parental involvement and consistency is vital.
Apologies to hear that 😭
Complain to the principal and above - you are the ones they listen to. We teachers are always so relieved when a parent finds out (as we can’t share these instances) because that’s when things actually change. Seriously. Go to bat for your kid and the classroom.
I worked in SPED in schools all over the country. The teachers were silent when legislation and politics were brought up. They are tight-lipped out of fear and conditioning. Education is constantly SO litigious and political! The schools walk on eggshells with the parents!
What she said about the parents are heard clearer than teachers is why we are here. I'm saying it. Parents complained about teachers cracking down on their kids and they didn't like it. They have taken so many disciplinary tactics out of schools, and we are not holding parents accountable anymore for their kids. "Their your problem while you have them at school" is what I've heard a parent say. Like teachers are a baby sitting service.
It annoys me that we talk about earlier intervention and getting more preschool younger and younger. Basically, schools are saying that kids aren't being given what they need at home so they need the school to get kids into the school earlier. Should we just be taking people's babies as soon as they're born? How much is the schools responsibility? When do parents need to parent?!
Yep. Even though they get SNAP and WIC, they can't be bothered to pour some milk on cereal in a bowl. The kids have to be bused to school for breakfast. Now they're being given dinner if they're there for an after school program. They're being bused in during the summer for lunch. Okay, if we're going to feed your kid 3 times a day, you should lose that percentage of your SNAP. We are dangerously getting to the point where public school is a boarding school. Just drop your kid off for Pre-K and come get them when they graduate high school.
@@1964DB i agree frankly snap should be cut off in highschool the child is skipping scholl and not making passing grades that way they have to pass if they show up i think it ridiculous that our tax dollars go to sixteen year that in two years will be an adult they no longer need work permit at the age and can drive ride public transportation on their own ect
@@smitty9398 dont know were your from but that didn't start happening untill the late seventies and early eighties i Be was born in sixty five and there were still plenty of stay at home momns
Well spoken!! Most of my "parents" are on drugs!
It's sounding like Obummer's "Life of Julia." This is a horror story we'd better make certain never becomes reality. Never vote liberal left ever again!
The comments by the public suggesting these teachers are not professionals simply shows your own ignorance. I am now retired, but we are far more than glorified baby sitters. If parents were doing their jobs, teachers wouldn't even have to speak about the kid's behaviors.
Deb Staires : Right on. Behavior or lack there of starts at home.
Yes the behaviors need to be taught at home and the teachers need to be able to have the legal teeth to reinforce the appropriate behaviors in the school. It sounds like legally they're not able to effectively discipline these kids.
it's far more than just parental.....it's our whole society that glorifies children. Just walk into any toy store and look at all the incredible garbage parent's think their kids need or should have ! Children from a very young age are told how very precious they are and they can do no wrong. Add broken families trading off their children from home to home every weekend, brain warping technology constantly in these kids faces, kid's programing on television that glorifies bathroom humor, disrespecting your parents...especially the dads, and now....they can't even be sure what gender they are anymore ! Our whole society is messed up...and we'd better figure it out while there's still a generation living that knows how it all is "supposed" to work !
@@Emg2463 amen
The alleged "teachers" of our age, are zombie pushers of the agendas of the thugs of the United Nations, and the UN is the strong arm of the New World Order Overlords! Wake the hell up! The teachers of today are the very same zombies, who were manipulated by the non stop proaganda when they were students! It is cyclical demonic EVIL, for the enslavenent of humanity, in a pre ARRANGED human role in a dark fast approaching futuristic "brave new world order". This video addresses key slices of that NWO pie!
You darn so called "teachers" are the first to always be duped and manipulated, because you play a pivotal role in the successful outcome of the globalized UN agendas! Wake up and fugure it out, and stop with the shameful denial! We have ALL been deceived and manipulated! These outburst by the young, may be the expression of the horror of the reality, that humanity as we know it, is gasping it's last breaths!
My kids started kindergarten in the fall of 2015. By the next school year in 1st grade in 2016, I starting hearing about similar behavior in the 1st grade public school class here. Kids throwing chairs and having to clear the classrooms. This started years before the pandemic.
in grade 5 there were two boys, one with Anger Issues and another with Autism and they would have meltdowns that would disrupt the class for hours, we had to evacuate the class a few times through the year. im sorry but keep those kids seperate from us. its better for everyone
This whole conversation is one sided. As educators we are always required to talk about the trauma that children are facing. What about the educators? What about the mental and emotional toll all of this takes on the teachers that are trying their hardest everyday to hold it all together. Student and teacher safety should be a top priority.
students can complain about a teacher, LIE, and admin won't even investigate. Teacher has no right to even know who did it so if it is a student with bad grades, they could be getting revenge.
Thank you.
Pink and Sweet, I agree whole heartedly. I was off this year due to a student inflicted injury. I didn't realize how bad my anxiety was until it looked I was was going back. I chose to sub thru an agency until I find something else. I teach preschool, generally at schools with a higher economic status, and we still have problems and admin ignores or blames us. With the littles we are often there 8 hours. We rarely get prep time. We have to get up and down from the or tiny chairs. It's already dangerous. And then we get hurt by students who desperately need help and often parents are in denial. Sometimes we need surgery. Sometimes workers comp fails us and we continue with injury. Sometimes we hear 5 year olds expressing thoughts of harm to selves and others. Or we see them hurl heavy objects at people - both kids and teachers. Coming daily with a new attitude that it's a new day and things will be better is exhausting. And futile. It's just getting worse since the pandemic.
@@amberadams217 i am certified in many areas, but see others get full time positions. MANY quit. I've been subbing, but will be going into programming after this school year is up.
Amen.
I resigned mid-year. I couldn't take the stress. I felt I was completely ineffective. I feel like a lot of things in school are in shambles. Schools shouldn't have to provide so many services and teachers can't do everything or be expected to do everything.
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Yes!!! Schools shouldn’t have to provide all of these services. This speaks volumes about the true issue happening. We are a poverty stricken and overworked society and the children are negatively impacted by absent parents. After 14 years, I left. I weeped. My heart was broken but I couldn’t take it anymore. I was managing behavior more than I was teaching and felt so ineffective.
@@TraciGirl313what exactly made you quit?
I had to quite my student teaching and change careers and so did over half my graduating teaching class. It’s so sad because all these people were insanely passionate and talented.
My sister in law quit after greeting students at the door and was slammed between the door and wall
and then laughing. When she reported it she was told to drop it because it would "CAUSE WAVES"!
After years of teaching she quit and they moved to a small town where she taught till retirement with little or no probles.
Wow, when I went to school, there were ZERO issues like this. NEVER an outburst or problem from elementary school till high school graduation. Parents have no idea how to parent these days.
Where did you go to school? That question will reveal far more answers than the ignorant and oversimplified assumption that "parents have no idea how to parent these days."
@@knightofkorbin888 I can just look around my neighborhood to see how people are parenting. They are raising future criminals. I can already see it in 4th and 5th graders. I live in an area of formally educated people, the richest county in the country in a nice middle class neighborhood (and no, not in California or NYC). Went to school in a different state in a similar neighborhood.
wat. There were never any problems in your school? Where did you go to school, heaven?
@@jlpcycling7359 nope, nothing anything like this. Suburbs in the 1970’s were totally different
Me either
Big city schools.
Graduation 1973.
And your diploma meant something.
Your were flunked if you did not do the work.
Mama and Daddy would have dealt with the problem.
We behaved ourselves.
When my daughter was 7, a main streamed kid with autism would have massive meltdowns. He was older and bigger than the other students The teacher was 1 year out of college. She was maybe 5’0 and 100 lbs. He was bigger than she was. This kid should never have been in her class. Kid was throwing tables and chairs. They were on the trailers they call “portable class rooms.” Nobody could hear disruption. One girl got out and ran to another trailer screaming for help. That teacher got out most of the kids after calling the office.
My daughter got hit in the face with a chair. Her cheek bone was broken and she had a concussion. Several kids needed stitches. My kid had to miss weeks of school. Most of the parent wouldn’t let their kids come to school as long as the kid was in her class. So they moved him to another class. Guess what happened?
We also had a middle school kid exposing himself to kindergarten and 1st grade girls on the bus. At first they refused to get him off the bus because he was “at risk” and they couldn’t put him on the special bus because he was a danger to those kids. Oh ok, that makes it ok for him to expose himself to little girls. 30 sets of parents descended on the next school board meeting. Someone from school administration had to take him to and from school after that.
Neither of those boys belonged in a regular classroom.
In the 80's the autistic kid would have been in special ed with people who are trained to take care of him properly.
And also in the 80's, if a middle school age kid was exposing himself to little girls, that kid would have been arrested for it.
The principal should be more experienced to know how to manage/match the student with the better equipped teacher.
GET SOME MALE TEACHERS IN THERE. INSTEAD OF THESE WEAK WOMEN
@@mikelisteral7863 my DIL could handle a first grader acting out if she was allowed to discipline the kids.
@@susans.9308 I have a couple of veteran friends (female) who went into teaching after their service. They didn't stay because their hands were tied. They had serious military training but one said, "It's like being in a firefight and not allowed to shoot back." Listening to these women, I think that it's closer to that than I ever imagined. Hope your DIL is doing OK.
Retired after 31 years of teaching lower elementary school. I loved the teaching but saw everything these teachers are talking about. The counselor system and social services need to be monitored closely to make sure they are effective and serving the needy students. Parents need to be held accountable as well.
Too many kids now a days are considered "needy" though.... the guidance system has been so drowned out due to the overwhelming amount of children with trauma and other needs
I'm wondering, do you think the counsellor system is helpful to schools currently, or a hindrance?
@@deedledave9826 I’d have kids in trauma situations and school counselors would tell me, “social services will take care of them”. Then they would take the sweet middle class kid to work with cause something trivial like “she cried when she got to school”.
@@annemauldin6491 Yeah, I see similar things. The kids who probably have access to far more resources and help than others tend to get more of the counsellors' time and attention.
Can you clarify how you feel that counselors and social services (social workers) "need to be monitored closely to ensure they're being effective" though? I think they're doing the best they can, certainly if being shared by multiple campuses as is sometimes the case.
Classrooms are held hostage by 2 or 3 kids. All the attention and focus is spent with misbehaving students. I teach 7-12th grade and these kids are horrible. They don't care, you can't reason with them and they intentionally try to get under your skin
That’s because if they can’t get positive attention then they’ll settle for negative attention. Kids like that only learn if they catch a beating. Or more to the point their parents beat them so school is playtime since they know that the male teachers are not permitted to beat them. And then finally if they assault you and you punch them out then naturally the administration will demand your resignation even though if the police are summoned the police will beat them if they resist arrest. But then typically the cops would drive them home and let them go to avoid all of the paperwork hassles of booking them. Teaching can be a decent job if you’re extremely tolerant or even thick skinned but increasingly nobody wants to bother with it. I quit after 7 years in 1988. I then began shipping out with the military sealift command. Hauling ammo, fighting vehicles and rocket launchers to the Persian Gulf was basically an extended pleasure cruise compared to teaching the blockheads at CleveladSouth High School which mercifully was put to sleep like a bad dog several years after I quit.
Reintroduce child beatings. There is no alternative other than resorting to remote learning for everyone. The barbarians have won and they are now sacking the city.
It's like taiwan. I was a teacher there for twenty years and I know it's getting about five kids that would screw around sometimes tend depending on how big the class was
Of course they were never disciplined
I as a teacher went through so much stress, so much classroom disruptions , and so many kids disrespecting me that I had to take a week off of work and go to the mental hospital due to depression and suicidal thoughts. I am currently still taking medications but yes it got that bad.
I am amazed thgat these teachers look so fit, slim and healthy. In the UK it really takes a physical toll on the teachers and most of my colleagues and I became overweight and unhealthy looking. I have now left and when I meet others who have left, they look so much younger and healthier. It really is a toxic profession.
@@caroldurand6803 I went through student teaching and gained 15lbs during the 4ish months of full-days. I got my degree and my teaching license, but I then had a full year of PTSD and nightmares/ stress dreams about the classroom every night. I was offered a job but I didn’t take it. I now stay home with my baby and I’m pregnant with my 2nd. My husband and I have decided that I will homeschool our kids. I don’t want them in that environment, either.
Why are you still teaching?? There is no reason for any teacher to be going thru ANY of this whatsoever. Everything that is being described here should be handled in a children's psychiatric ward not a formal education setting. How come Noone can see that basic fundamental fact ?!!!!
I'm sorry this happened to you. Take care. Yes, teaching today can make any of us mentally ill.
This is abuse to teachers by students. I would quit.
When I was in school there was a saying. "The good has to suffer for the bad." So I would find myself being punished for something someone else did. Eventually you feel like I might as well misbehave too if I'm going to end up being in detention anyway. I might as well get punished for something I actually did.
What's also crazy is it seemed like the kids who regularly misbehaved were more rewarded for the rare times they did behave whereas a student who regularly behaved was just expected to and didn't reap any reward for regularly not misbehaving.
It's true! Teachers are encouraged to overcompensate for the bad kids. However, that method never works. It backfires and sends a message to the bad kids that they will be rewarded for acting like a jerk.
It is only the bad kids who are rewarded for “needing special help”. If you’re good and want to learn you’ll definitely fail.
Suffer in silence and you’ll be crushed. Pretend to suffer and do it loudly and you’ll be rewarded.
I had that same experience. I was not rowdy or disrespectful. I did my work and listened in class, but getting my recess taken away because a few students were being disrespectful beat the “be obedient” out of me. By middle school I really didn’t care anymore cuz I was going to get in trouble anyway and I wasn’t going to be recognized for doing what I was supposed to do so there was no motivation to continue being good.
I couldn’t agree more. I’ve seen students getting rewards (more than just a pat on the back and “atta boy”) because they didn’t get written up for one day. I’m looking at it like, we get this as teachers for teacher appreciation events and this kid is getting it days after being in a fight because he didn’t get written up yesterday. It’s disheartening when kids are being rewarded for being “on par” while those going above and beyond get nothing
Until you get into the position of the teacher, you'll understand why this happens. It's called, "equity," where each kid is awarded the opportunity to be given an equal chance. Sometimes the "bad" kids were given extra attention because of the way the teacher was taught how "the ones who really need help often don't receive help," and how the "bad" kids probably need help the most. It's unfortunate, but that's how the world outside of the classroom operates as well. One must learn to be assertive in order to receive the help that they need and not expect things to just happen for them.
I nannied for years privately and then on-call through an agency. Babies are cute for 5 minutes and then they become little people with personalities and opinions. I know how to handle kids from different ages and it's not easy. The conditioning or lack of it begins immediately. Parents want to be "friends" with their kids and everything to be "fun." They're not being taught manners or to clean up after themselves. That's being left to the "hired help." I've noticed that most families have the approach that the kid is never accountable for anything and if they had a "bad" day it's the caregiver's fault. I just went along with the whole setup because I know I can go home and relax whereas the parents have to live with these kids. I've seen appalling behaviour but it's not the kid's fault in my opinion. Most parenting these days seems geared to make sure the kid is always occupied and never bored. Kids are not good at regulating their own moods because they're been overstimulated with excessive screen time and their diet is loaded with sugar and fast food. I've had older kids behave quite abusively towards me if they're pulled aways from their electronic games. I think the long-term effect is going to be that young adults will choose not to have children because they see all the bad behaviour around them and will choose to live a child-free life filled with fun for themselves! My hats off to them! Looks like the declining birth rate will keep declining:)
We’re definitely screwed. But I’m old now so I don’t give a shit.
Child free here! No way I would bring a child into this crazy world. I almost feel like I could be the best parent possible with actually teaching my kid manners, morals, self esteem, self governance and cook meals instead of processed junk …. But I’d still have other parents and their lack of parenting that would probably be friends with mine that I’d have to deal with.
It’s the parents fault because they rather be friends than parents.
I've experienced all of this but as usual so far I haven't heard the words...parents...too often. I'm tired of taking on the responsibility of teaching and controlling children whose parents have neglected their jibs as parents. These are NOT my children. I care about them. I want to help but...I'm a teacher not their parent. Educators are IGNORING this major player in this issue. Part of our stress as teachers is that we are being asked to do tooooooo much for damaged children. Our society is at fault. I'm not the one who needs to fix it. I'm also fed up with the teacher guilt that pressures us to give more than we should. We are not soldiers on the battlefield. Oh, we really are!
I always said - we are not martyrs or volunteers - we need a living wage and respect as the professionals we were trained to be.
So happy I turned 55, took my 17 years and collected my life long monthly pittance. Appreciated in my new career.
Yes! It’s not an issue of “needing more administrative support” or mental health counselors. It’s parenting it’s starts from the ground up
I was a teacher for 38 years and I so relate to what is said. It gives me anxiety just to hear these teachers because I experienced it all. The day that I took early retirement was one of the happiest days of my life.
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Me too - I wish I would have done it 5 years before
I took early retirement as well. I could write a book about the disruptive behaviors I saw while teaching.
As a young teacher I need to work till im 65 YEARS OLD..... thhey are trying to hold us teachers in the classroom for so long... by the time im 65 I will not have the temperament to deal with middle school kids anymore...... they shouldn't be holding us like this.
This is what happens when women feel like they can tell fathers how they should act as a parent. Undisciplined, coddled, and emotionally weak children. Fathers are the pillars of discipline. Mothers and female teachers will at worst give a slap on the wrist.
Kicking, hitting, spitting, and throwing things are actions of toddlers having a tantrum. Kids at an older age doing this is a prime example of poor parenting.
Shit. Look at the riots. This keeps on for a lifetime
It's tempting to look for single solutions to complicated problems. The problems won't be solved by blaming.
This continues in middle school. 😐
@@madelinemardigan3386 Or look at the hundreds of morons that stormed the Capitol on January 6th.
To identify the cause of the problem is not to "blame".
A major problem is the lack of discipline in the home and they expect the schools to provide that even though that's not their job! My son goes to a Montessori which actively engages the parents to get involved. When people don't pay for something directly they don't value it! That's why they don't show up for parent/teacher conferences.
This is crazy! I never thought this was happening. I'm 29 and never experienced any of that in school. I don't understand why the "Administrators" don't take the proper action of simply expelling those kids that can't behave and pressing charges on the ones that assault the teachers. It's common sense! Expel them, no non-sense approach and let the parents/caregivers deal with them.
Parents will turn around and sue the districts. There's also many laws that protect children. 😳
Yea, we have too much leave no child behind stuff. Can't boot them anymore.
Didn't happen before because people had 2 parents and you used to get you ass beat at school.
@@teachingthepetites4614 Even if they sue, don’t they lose for being wrong?
@Google User It's unlikely especially if disabilities are involved. Schools get flagged for expelling students these days, It's looked down upon.
The school administrators are all corrupt. It is in their interest to cover up problems by blaming everything on the teachers. This is why we need to shift to remote learning to force the parents to deal with it. A former schools superintendent where I once substitute taught has been arrested for human trafficking for prostitution if you can believe that. People who go into administration don’t really give a shit about anyone but themselves. They only care about being in charge.
Many of the comments that I am seeing on here clearly show that so many people don't understand what it is like being a teacher. If it happens at work you can get rid of people through dismissal but at school that doesn't happen. I really feel for these teachers. I was a teacher and I know how tough it can be.
I’m in total support of teachers striking. A national strike! Because they are being used and abused by their own government! Unity is the only way things will change and people have to stop voting against their own interests because they are brainwashed by slogans like “socialism” and just blinded by their own prejudice against other groups of peoples. The benefits of running tax payer funded schools are largely for the corporations who get the private contracts attached to these schools. Also, the fact that the existence of “schools” allow people to go to work for the corporations! Another benefit that keeps corporations in the pocket of politicians. Cheap labor all around and they do it without paying taxes because the politicians have convinced some people that corporations will no longer provide even low paying jobs if they get them out of our government! It’s like being bullied! The corporations have moved your jobs anyway, and they will continue to if it benefits them! I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but if our government was working for us and not the corporations then they would vote on issues that help us. They don’t. They tell us it’s socialism. Plenty of socialism for the corporations though!
If children end up in jail it’s another benefit for corporations, because prisons are for profit and privately owned! Again, the benefactors, the congress men and women, get their campaign donations! Vote them out!
Just shows the declining lack of empathy in this narcissistic society. No one is able to put themselves in another's shoes. Sad times we live in...
This is what happens when women feel like they can tell fathers how they should act as a parent. Undisciplined, coddled, and emotionally weak children. Fathers are the pillars of discipline. Mothers and female teachers will at worst give a slap on the wrist.
I think they remember how it was when they were in school and think we’re exaggerating. If I hadn’t seen it first-hand, I might think that too. It’s truly heartbreaking - for teachers and the kids. They’re the future of our country… 😳
Teaching isn’t real tough it’s more like impossible. Half the new hires where I taught would quit within five days. Those were the smart ones.
Cell phones have become the new parents. Give it to your kids and forget about them. They'll learn everything from the internet. What can go wrong?
@YYZpresto single mothers exist because the boys ( not men) they have children with either beat them, cheat on them, leave them, ignore them, degrade them, or refuse to be a man and actually financially support them the way they should.
@@sissyrayself7508 Most single mothers are single mothers because they choose to be.
Rise of technology helped me keep up with the news better lol
its a new baby sitter thing
@@mikestepp9403 nope!
Life is too short to deal with this level of stress and ingratitude..
Being a teacher, is one of the most stressful jobs you could have. I was a Sunday school teacher many years ago. We had a bus ministry where we went into bad areas of the community to bring kids to Sunday school. We had to stop picking up some of the troubled kids. All it took was one kid. It's really sad.
The sad fact is that some people are UNTEACHABLE.
@@user-qo8xp3ok9xthey clearly said “one of the most stressful” not THE MOST stressful. Can you read? 😂
It's not a mental health issue, it's a discipline issue....
Blaming it on a mental health issue means they don't have to do anything about it........like drug addiction and being morbidly fat.....being a victim is the new fad.
Well a lot of women really thought that they could handle a lot of aggression but didn’t realize that rage aspect
@@PamelaTaylor if you're talking about mothers, they need to start taking a leather belt to their children's backside when they need it. Takes the rage and aggression right out of them.....
@@marblesthecat3861 you are most Right alot Need a Good Tanning
@@oleoneeye8380 there are mental health issues but for the most part these kids now suffer from spoiled brat syndrome as far as being overweight there are Medical conditions that can cause it underactive thyroid for one ovarian cyst for another dont judge a book by its cover but yes these issues are fewvand far between but they are real
Where does this end??? When the child stands before the judge and hears life in prison? Are the courts going to give them a juice box and ask them how they feel?
The goal of liberals is to see white people victimized without repercussion.
When they attack a cop and get shot
A college professor here and it's been affecting our ability to teach at university. And we get push back from trying to stick to a fair curriculum. Oh and where I work 100% of us are contract faculty so no tenure or guarantee of job security and we teach 12 months.
I was a part-time lecturer, I just retired, I agree with you. It is getting much worse right now! Chronic absences, tardiness, not turning in work on Canvas, cheating, never getting off the phones, etc.
Remember when high school teachers would tell us, "Try that in a college classroom and see what happens!"
Well, apparently, nothing! Because the university needs to keep its numbers up!
What a lovely group of teachers. My heart goes out to them and to all of their students.
These teachers are trying to teach, council and parent these children at the expense of the education of the class.
True! But it's 'counsel'.
Yes indeed. Administrators routinely allow a handful of students to hijack an entire class’s learning time. I am a retired high school teacher. Not sure how I survived that long!
Kids have zero respect anymore. This starts at he home .
Had I misbehaved like this when I was growing up, my parents would have been called to school and my father would have beat me all the way back to the house .......and than some.
Then we wonder why crime and social degradation is at an all time high.
Now we have states that are banning parents from spanking their kids, it's unreal.
Yup, kids born to single mothers 75% of black women, 42% of white women, they say women need men like a fish needs a bicycle, turns out that's all crap.
Mohammad was illiterate exactly 👍🏼
D90Girl children are not born like that !
Poverty.
have you been abused?
These experiences are 100% true in lots of schools. The problem is teachers cannot speak out to the media or the community unless they don’t care about being fired. If they would interview more teachers anonymously, the public could be more informed to make changes.
I agree with these ladies. I’ve experienced many of these situations. I’ve been injured by students as young as 5. I’ve heard 7 year olds threaten to jump out of second story windows. I’ve had 6 year olds self-harm. 11 year olds push teachers out of their way. Many times I have called admin to help with an escalation and be told no one is available because they are all dealing with a different unregulated child. We have 4 administrators and about 200 students PK-12. We’ve had runners (and we are on a highway), children completely shutting down and because we can’t touch them, they may sit under a desk all day until a parent can come literally pick them up and remove them, physical fights, bullying, destruction of property and furniture throwing and I’m working at an elementary level in general education. There are constant disruptions and if it isn’t happening in your room, you can hear it happening next door. The woman talking about how almost every child is having trauma is true. This year I had two homeless students, at least 4 with a parent in prison, 3 who have had a parent die, 5 being raised by someone other than a parent (and I don’t mean with one parent and a step-parent, but not either of their actual parents), one who had a parent survive an overdose, many with separated parents, some had siblings who had died and 6 with an order of protection, 5 of them against a family member. There were only a handful of kids that actually had a stable, safe home with two involved parents and no obvious traumatic experiences.
Wow!
Any school or school district which is managing things like this is incompetent, reckless, and unprofessional. Any legal system which prevents school personnel from managing the school system rationally and safely is totally insane. We used to know how to deal with these things. There were CONSEQUENCES should somebody get out of line. What changed? Who changed it?
The bottom line is this: any kid who is incapable of participating reasonably in school needs to be removed from school and sent either [1] somewhere else where they can cope with them or [2] home to do remote learning or [3] to an orphanage if if no one claims the kid. So if you analyze these brutal realities what we really need are [1] fewer schools [2] more mental hospitals and [3] more orphanages. To simply dump bodies into schools totally undermines the function of schooling. And what’s this “nobody’s allowed to touch them” nonsense? If kids become violent somebody needs to tackle them, for one thing. So if you’re not allowed to do your job then it’s time to quit. If you don’t quit then you’re voluntarily submitting to some dystopian hell-world in a bad sci-if movie.
In 2009, I went back to school and completed my Master's in Elementary Education with honors and have over 15 years teaching experience. I am a single mother who was raising 2 children while finishing my Master's. In 2017, I was offered 38,000 dollars a year at Catholic elementary school in Jersey City. Along with my whole class teaching , I was also responsible for running the 2 biggest fund raisers for the school, the Scholastic Book Fairs for fall and spring, plus was responsible for the sacraments of penance and first communion( (which included weekend non-paid working). I easily worked over 60 hours every week, including most of every Sunday prepping for the new week with lesson plans, grading homework, etc. While teaching there, I developed high blood pressure and started having anxiety attacks. I lasted 2 years and had to leave from declining health due to stress. The principal was ruthless and critical on all my alternative teaching styles. I had children in my class that clearly needed pull out services, but didn't get them. Teachers are so underpaid and overworked. It is such a stressful job. I would never encourage any young person I know to go into teaching. It is a thankless profession and burnout is fast and furious.
Alas........remembering the old days when sometimes sharp discipline was necessary..........coaches had to do it. As an example.In middle school....Some moron kid (who's probably manipulated the California Penal system by now,)
stole the coaches
gradebook.The coach lined everyone of us up for a swat and the ones he knew that weren't involved got a tap but the one he suspected got a whack.
Things improved IMMEDIATELY and he got his book back.End of story.
I am amazed thgat these teachers look so fit, slim and healthy. In the UK it really takes a physical toll on the teachers and most of my colleagues and I became overweight and unhealthy looking. I have now left and when I meet others who have left, they look so much younger and healthier. It really is a toxic profession.
Yes, in South Carolina too, teachers are super stressed and tend to look unhealthy, because, in many instances, they do not even have time to use the bathroom!!! Kidney stones are a real problem in the profession!
Their loss
Parochial school is the absolute pits. Nobody should teach catholic school unless they go all the way and join a teaching order. When I taught parochial school back in the early ‘80s I only got paid about $12,000 per year including envelopes stuffed with cash the pastor would hand out occasionally. The nuns were mostly complete assholes. Then I tried being a Benedictine monk. It was grotesque. I quit after 8 months to attend barber college. I learned as a wilderness canoe tripping guide up in the Canadian northwoods that kids won’t behave unless you paddle them with your six foot canoe paddle for infractions such as fighting or eating inside of the tents in bear country. Training kids is like training dogs. But society has become too decadent for corporal punishment so eventually schooling will go to remote learning as a tactic to stick it to the asshole parents once and for all. Notice how frequently I find it necessary to use the word “asshole” when writing about teaching.
“These are the kids that are going to be taking care of us when we are older.”
She is exactly right.
No they are not. They will be either incarcerated or strung out on drugs. Great future ahead.
They won’t be taking care of anyone. They are selfish and entitled.
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@@GrayWithMe Yes, you are.
When the teacher was talking about how she might have 1-2 students who need extra support in class 13 years ago vs. now every student in class it made me think of my 2nd period class last year. I remember I had a really hard time with this class and I almost started crying when they added a 39th student to my roster because she had visual impairments and needed a lot of special accommodations. This was totally fine, however, I had so many kids in that class who also needed special accommodations and so I asked if possibly she could be moved to a different period of mine so I could actually give her the support she deserved. To make my case I tallied up my class and said at her IEP meeting, I have 39 kids in this class. 20 of these students have IEP's, 3 of these students have mental health issues/suicidal tendencies and need to see the counselor often so I need to catch them up when they get back, 3 of these students are on a school wide behavior plan due to their severe disruptive behaviors that are happening in all classes, 4 of these students are refugees and do not speak English so they need extra support from me, and now 1 student has severe visual impairments. This means that only 8/39 students do not need additional support from me, so I would just feel better equipped to help this visually impaired student if she is put in a different class. The principal just told me, "well that is why you have your two aides, to help you manage these students who need extra support" but those aides were just not enough, and they were for a specific group of 10 students who had SEVERE behaviors such as almost spraying bleach in my face and playing sexual videos out loud in class and those students really kept the aides hands' full.
OMG 😲!
Wow, you are a hard-working angel!!!!!
And, your principal sucks, as so many do!
There once was special education classes for the emotionally disturbed. The classes were discontinued due to budget cuts and strangely the emotionally disturbed students disappeared. Yet we still have IEP's on them for the general education classrooms which is supposed to be better for them. Listening to these teachers and being a former Sp. Ed. Teacher myself, it's an outrage this has happened.
So a “room clear” disrupts TWO classes; the the class of kids whose learning is disrupted by a young maniac and then the classroom the leaving class has to enter. Parents need to be held responsible for their anger filled children.
Unfortunately, typically the parents are the reason for the child's anger issues.
@@AshleyMintz that, and a changing power structure which continuously enables and encourages their misplaced anger.
They need to be expelled
I don’t think maniac is a fair label for the troubled child. They aren’t responsible for their circumstances.
@@proletar-ian say that again when it’s your child in the hospital because one of these kids hits them in the face with a chair.
This is in part the result of the government mandating that all kids be in the same classroom regardless of behavior impairments such as autism, etc in an effort to avoid stigmatizing them. So these kids end up in overcrowded classrooms that are entirely too stimulating, not to mention the added expectation for them to socialize which for many is terrifying.
I didn’t even know that is an official rule, it’s ridiculous!
Why is it that virtually no one else can figure this out? We need to abolish the federal department of education. It was bad enough when they started phasing out industrial arts for all the anti-intellectual high school hellions. At least if they took auto-shop instead of chemistry they’d become more competent car thieves. It’s gotten to the point where all you need to do to ensure that your car will never be stolen is to buy a manual stick shift so far as has the auto theft trade declined.
I work at a school here in Australia. Granted its k-7, but none of the things these teachers say the kids are doing would be put up with. We have absolute support from the principal down.
When the parents sign up they are told the school is strict as fuck. The first few weeks of each year we prioritise disciplining the kids over everything else till they know we are the boss. Parents support us. Obviously there are exceptions but thats the norm.
Even then its stressful as hell. So I cannot fathom how hard it would be for teachers in the US.
One generation of kids without an education can destroy a nation. Good luck USA.
these kids that do this are not being parented. I never recall anything like this happening when I was in school, ever. The worst might be a playground fight, even that was unusual. But then again, I went to school in a different era. Kids had parents at home, they were brought up more or less right and were taught from an early age how to behave and communicate, etc. Unwed motherhood was NOT seen as a virtue. Our society is sinking, quickly...
Finally teachers are speaking up. I hope this gets super huge national attention. This should not happen in any job.
Nothing will change as long as there is a thing called the teachers union
@@TheKrazyk2010 What does your comment even mean?
2 years later... it's only gotten worse
Then traumatize kids bc when they go home... parents don't care what you want to do with the kids.
I have experience working in crisis mental health in the hospital setting. I was offered an opportunity to work as a special education Para-educator. Required a college degree with 60 credit hours. 12 dollars an hour.🤣NO.
I could make more folding clothes at Target and get a discount AND not get spit on, bit, screamed at etc.
Wow that’s a horrible
Your experience in retail work seems to have been different than mine. It seems like there's the same level of abuse on the job, but Target workers get to leave their work at the door when they clovk out. Teachers have another 6-8 hours of outside responsibilities each day (planning, grading, data, tracking points for every little thing, community engagement, fundraising, etc.). If retail work really did pay as well as teaching, things might be different. And that's saying something because teacher pay is notoriously low.
Right that's how it feels for me being a substitute teacher because in my area it went by your degree that you had they gave you more. It works with me because my kids were in the elementary school the time and their hours and all. However, I've been doing it almost ten years now I mean I was also a preschool teacher and an Adjunct professor and a tutor prior but this is all What I've Done mainly the past ten years besides also tutoring and come to find out now they are giving substitute teachers that just came out of high school the same amount that they're giving once to have degrees and didn't hire the pay?
Always told myself when I leave, if I haven't found another career path immediately, I'd rather work at Dunkin Donuts than put up with more of the abuse.
God bless these teachers for speaking up! Teachers are the backbone of our society and yet they are not payed enough; and don't have support from principles, parents, and school administrators. I'm a RN for over seventeen years and would not be where I am today were it not for teachers and professors! And kids, people in general have this entitlement attitude. I even see it rubbing off on some of the baby boomer generation! God bless teachers! 🙌 💕
When I went to school, all this crazy stuff wasn't going on in the classroom. It was never allowed to get that way.
every teacher deserves a coteacher. I'm in a coteaching model rn as a long term sub and it makes such a difference.
@margaret their families defw can't afford that
@margaret I don't disagree. They can't keep ruining education for others.
I had a good co-teacher in a reading lab until one day he was laid off and replaced by an elderly woman who wouldn’t even take attendance for me because she claimed her eyeglass prescription was no good. Then eventually after being forced to beat up two violent kids in one week I went to the office and resigned. This was 35 years ago. Ever since I’ve been puzzled why anyone would put up with this horse-shit. But finally college kids seem to have lost interest in majoring in education. It’s about time is all that I can say. I’m looking forward to getting a break on my property taxes after they finally switch to remote learning and lay off all of the “teachers”. I put teachers in quotation marks because in reality these people are nothing but babysitters.
I grew up in a low income, rural area, and I never felt supported at school. I had some mental health struggles and came from a poor family. As a result, I felt like most of my teachers didn't see a future for me or care about my struggles or outcomes. My mom did more to help me with my struggles then my school ever did regardless of my parents going to the school for support or help. I did have some great teachers though. There are good teachers who care, but they have so many students and responsibilities that they simply can't worry about every student and every problem. That's why parents need to be more involved with their kids and the school, and administrators need to listen to teachers and parents. It takes a village to raise a child.
I agree with you. My high school did nothing to help me. I skipped at least one month every term. Not because I was a bad kid, but because I was a depressed kid. I had no parent involvement or support either. Not to dwell but to agree it takes a village! Especially when teachers are with students for so many hours a day.
You were one kid in MANY that a teacher is responsible for. You are lucky if you get 1 minute of personal attention in a school day. Easy to be self centered and not see the big picture.@@nearcancelled
After 40 years in teaching I have come to the end of my tether too, and I recently resigned from teaching STEM in an FE College. The whole educational system has become a sausage factory, and my commitment to treat every one of my students as a unique individual with diverse learning needs and styles is incompatible with this. As you say, I just want to teach too and I absolutely agree with you that teaching is an art and not a science. One size very much doesn't fit all, but 'real' teachers are not allowed to teach in their own way anymore.
Very eye opening. As a 40 year registered nurse, I have encountered many of the same situations with adults who don’t know how to effectively express their needs. We as a society need to support school funding to provide support to our youth, to help them become well adjusted adults.
As a burnt out school teacher I always vote no on school levies. It should be online academy for everyone, lay off all of the teachers except for those tutoring via Skype, sell the school buildings, and give the taxpayers a 75% discount on their property taxes. Then and only then will there be a movement in the direction of cheap and affordable private education where no nonsense is tolerated such as what’s ruined the public schools.
Don't let people get divorced but teach them to work it out for the sake of their children. Too easy to have kids, too easy to marry and get divorced, too much sleeping around, too many absent parents.....the list goes on and on. This is a sad, sad state of affairs.
And this is why I am not a teacher anymore
Don't blame you
2007 iphone launched
2010 ipad launched
I think this is part of the problem. Screens are being used to calm fussy children and it is stunting the children's emotional development.
But also the fact that both parents have to work is impacting kids lives too.
wah wah wah working parents. Stop popping out multiple kids then if you can't actually parent.
This group of teachers is so very composed while discussing this. Amazing! The teachers I've worked with would be expressing outrage. I'm a retired School Psychologist and I've helped deal with crisis including clearing classrooms including Pre-school! The teacher on the far left of the screen shot wearing the burgundy sweater nailed it.
As a teacher myself, the only solution that feels viable for me is dramatically increasing support staff. Our society is falling apart based on prolific reports of this nature all over the country. Teachers get into teaching to teach and help children learn. These days most teachers are fairly traumatized by non stop behavioral management situations, even though this is a fraction of their training and not what they signed up for. We need more adults in each room, enough for teachers to focus on teaching and support staff to manage outlandish behaviors. More strict consequences would help too__detention, suspension, loss of athletic privileges. But seriously we are in a crisis and it is already streaming into all levels of society, with violence everywhere increasing. But we still have so many ultra rich people in the USA and surely we could put 50% more money into helping schools and children. We need the ultra rich to care and the government to enforce taxing these ultra rich. The wealth gap is exponentially increasing and under funded low income public schools are taking the brunt of this. But there is no simple solution because everything is connected and in reality our whole society is in a crisis. And yet, is not school a good place to focus on to improve conditions of society? I like to hear teachers voicing their struggles and needs; I like to hear anyone with positive ideas for solutions. I hate seeing people criticize teachers.
Why, in America, is it NOT okay to be verbally and physically abused at the workplace, EXCEPT for if your workplace happens to be a public school? School Administrators should be held to the SAME workplace standards as any other employer and should undergo SEVERE penalties for creating an UNSAFE WORKPLACE. Not in America. Teaching in public schools will soon be a "job that Americans" don't want to do. And this is OVERWHELMINGLY the lack of parental attention. The root cause is the same as the root cause of 'homelessness". It's the disintegration of standards for "normative" behavior, which is essential for the development and maintenance of ANY human society. No rules = CHAOS.
I’m so happy this video brings this issue to light. Before school closed in 2020. My daughter then in 3rd grade was in a classroom in a great district where a student would throw chairs, desks, stab other children with pencils, curse the teacher and destroy her paperwork and even try to punch the principal. He would scream "I want to kill myself" and hit his own face. I believe the student was on the spectrum but the parents refused testing by the school. Weekly, the class was evacuated and had to wait outside for over an hour to get this one student under control. My daughter who was an advanced learner and loved school began to hate school. We experienced a lot of behavior issues at home with my daughter that year. She became hyper-aware always watching to see what this one student was doing at all times to ensure she wasn’t going to be hurt as she was almost hit with a chair and was cut with a folder once on her arm. The school had their hands tied with laws and “protocol” yet so much learning was lost and my daughter would literally jump out of the car in the morning before leaving and run back into our house. She hated school, she didn’t feel safe, her teacher was so exhausted from handling this one student she had no patience to teach well or do her job. I put my daughter on a charter school waiting list and when 2020 closed schools it was a blessing. She went straight to charter and loves school again.
Wow.
Truly, this is an example of how one child has more rights than all of the other children in that classroom. I told a Special Education adviser in my district that I was not going to make accommodations for one child that all of the other children would not get. She was not happy with my response. But, it gets very sticky with the SPED laws. I see it as an unfair situation, when one child gets everything, ...care, nurturing, and the rest of the kids get hurt, ignored and have their education stolen by the few.
I work at a blue ribbon charter school, one of the best elementary schools in the country, and we still deal with these issues horribly. I'm actually quitting my job and pulling my child out to homeschool. I think you got lucky, because I don't believe private schools or charter schools are any better.
@@SecretButterflyGarden I'm so sorry to hear this but you are probably doing the best thing by pulling your child out. My daughter, now in 7th grade is in a charter homeschool option. She receives funds for curriculum, sports and gets to participate in school field trips. She reads more literature than she ever would in public school and I've been able to accelerate her in math and science because she loves these subjects. It's been a blessing to be able to tailor her education that best fits her learning style while still being supported by a credentialed teacher monthly. As she heads into high school the charter school offers a bridge program that she can take dual enrollment classes and earn a high school diploma and an AA degree concurrently. There are so many positives to homeschooling! Wishing your family all the best as you head into the homeschool journey. It definitely took some time finding a balance as I also work from home but our daughter is thriving academically and especially mentally being protected from the chaos in some of these schools.
I was such a little asshole in school. I'm 35 years old now and I have so much guilt about it. To be fair, I personally think high school is one of the hardest times in anyone's life. Depression. Hormones. You know the drill. But I just want to say sorry to all teachers for being a little prick.
I know someone called Chad Higgins. But he’s substantially older than you. When kids are assholes it’s only because they’re being permitted to be assholes. So whose fault really is it? Answer: not the kid’s fault.
@@marcmeinzer8859
Sooo kids don’t know right from wrong? I can agree with your response at the elementary level, but junior high and high school, they know right from wrong. It’s two fold , it’s the parents fault but also the kid must be made accountable for their own actions and decisions.
True, they do know right from wrong, but nevertheless will not behave themselves unless they are forced to behave. Currently the schools are not demanding that they behave.@@PettyIsMyMiddleName
too late
And this is why we homeschool. All of this, I don't want my kids around this, I want them to LOVE learning!
The answer is simple men in the classroom and fathers in the home with the power to physically discipline.
As a female teacher I used to say that also,( more males would solve the problem) but after a few years, I see just being male in the school makes no difference. Male teachers are expected to drink the same purple kool-aide as the female teachers.
@@dorianmac7466 Yup.
Attacking school staff, teachers and administration should carry the same penalty as attacking a police officer. The student should be removed permanently from the school. The case should automatically be referred to DCS for home evaluation
It is assault - teachers are guilted into not following through on it.
I went to grade school in the 60s and grain 73. I never saw or experienced this disrespectful insanity.
This is not a funding issue. They've tried pouring money into some of the worst schools and it never changes anything. This is a home issue.
It's both and gaslighting from admin.
I was one of those ‘discipline problems’ back in the seventies, starting in the 5th grade. To the best of my recollection, the sexual abuse and bullying (by three older male siblings) began in 2nd or 3rd grade and continued through age sixteen when they moved on and out of the house. I had two hardworking, loving, engaged but unaware parents. Deemed a juvenile delinquent, smoking cigarettes & pot, drinking, and other drug use by 6th grade. I was paddled at school and grounded at home. My white privilege kept me out of juvenile jail. Sorry for rambling…. My point is that the first place to look, when a child is unruly, is the home life. And, I am thankful to many of my teachers for their kindness and attempts to get through to me, though I was unable to confide with any of them, their efforts ultimately succeeded. I am 100% supportive of teachers and their efforts.
To say your white privilege allowed you to stay out of juvenile jail is like saying your whiteness told you--you didn't need help. I'm so tired of hearing that a race of individuals believe they are privileged instead of what narrative we really need which is -- society will take care of you. You're white and we don't need to spend the tax paying money to help you in an institution that can give you a wake up call and counseling. You're white. You don't need indoctrination that you are less because you already have a behavior that makes you less in society with your unruliness.
Thank you, thank you, thank you 🙏 These words inspire me to keep trying as a teacher. And God bless you for finding your way.
Now imagine 75-80% of a classroom has similar or worse situations. How could a teacher handle that? Call every home? CPS won’t investigate all those families and even if they did, they are inept. School psychologists don’t have enough hours in the day to help them all. And who could go into every student’s house to help fix or heal generational abuse & trauma when most parents don’t even admit there are problems.
That’s the point. This isn’t a few misguided kids in a school. We have societal breakdown where the average classroom is full of disturbed students. There’s no time for math or arithmetic when teachers are just trying to prevent assaults or murder in the classroom.
White privilege is not a thing. Don’t flatter yourself. Juvenile is not for all kids who misbehave and you usually have to do something pretty bad or have multiple offenses to be sent there. There are other programs and preventative measures taken before that point. If your parents didn’t know you were being sexually abused they were not attentive, loving aware or good parents.
@@AnonymousC-lm6tc so you know: If you aren’t aware of ‘white privilege’ you might be a racist…. I did some very destructive things to public property, used and sold drugs, and avoided the consequences that, I’m quite sure a poor, non-white youngster in an inner city setting would have likely seen detention. (Skin color goes hand-in-hand with economic inequality.) The ‘other programs and preventative measures’ you speak of were (and in many cases still are) reserved for the privileged (good lawyers are expensive.) My parents both worked outside our home in order to afford the ‘American Dream.’ We lived in a nice suburban home with a pool, nice clothes, cars, vacations, and health insurance. The older siblings were trusted to watch over the youngest one, me. Honestly, at the time I thought it was all a part of playing…. It didn’t hurt and seemed fun. I didn’t question why it needed to be kept secret. My parents were hardworking, loving, engaged, and attentive (when they were not at work) though unaware of the abuse (no visible marks.) If blame were to be assigned it should go to the economic system that requires two significant incomes to raise a family, further complicated nowadays with unaffordable higher education, and not enough jobs that pay family wages.
6 years' teaching - all in middle to low socioeconomic areas in regional NSW, Australia. And planning to get out either this year or next year. Because I've had enough.
We are living in a society that actively encourages avoidance and blame-shifting. It's all about rights and how to dodge responsibilities.
Our social structures are not empowering our kids - they are entering our school system as entitled, attention-seeking, socially unskilled and with virtually no resilience. And it is not the kids' fault!!! But instead of teaching the kids the skills they need for the workforce, to help them develop the growth mindset to function in the real world...we're pretty much down to teaching coping skills. To teaching them how to cope with doing something they don't want to do at the time.
In my 6 years, I have had PTSD. I have contemplated suicide. I have been screamed at, threatened, blamed for things totally beyond my control and had unwinnable situations thrown at me. I've had wins. I've been seen in public and thanked by former students. I've had some positives. But not enough to induce me to stay.
I take the view that in that room, it isn't about me. A kid's behaviour? Not about me. Colleagues who spend their time dobbing and backstabbing each other? Better things to do with my time. I strive to put values above personalities. But teaching is a personality and ego dominated profession. Last year I almost went insane.
I write this for all the teachers out there who are struggling. Who have felt themselves sink into a mental headspace they honestly fear. Please...you are not alone. You are probably doing better than you think. You help one person, you're doing your job. Doesn't matter a shit what anyone else says.
And if you want out, you can get out. You owe society nothing. You've done more than most will ever do.
I wouldn't recommend this job to anybody. It's unsupportive, corrosive, it's self-destructive.
"You help one person, you're doing your job. Doesn't matter a shit what anyone else says...You owe society
nothing." - Bravo! Well said! Teachers cannot fix a broken society. Society needs to heal itself. So much toxic positivity and gaslighting in the teaching world. It's nice hear your quote that keeps it real!
Tuche.' Well said.A once honorable profession has been demeaned and debased.Most teachers I know work hard .
I totally agree. The job really takes a toll on your mental health!
@@michaelhradek8419 it’s Touché
Thanks. I needed that. It's true.
Loved this discussion. Everything discussed here is a global situation. This is exactly what’s happening in Ireland too. Teachers leaving the profession because it has become too difficult. Loved this chat. From a teacher(of 35 years)in Ireland. Children have changed so much!! Why????
Poor parenting, cell phones, schools run like a business.
This was 4 years ago and it’s only gotten worse not better! I’m a teacher, 32 years in, and I’ve never seen poor behaviour so rampant.
Stop accepting these behaviors.
It is not ok! Students need to have consequences for their actions! Stop making excuses!
These kids are from broken homes, and suffer from poverty. It is the problem and the collapse of the Republic and democracy, the ills of plutocracy. The results are plain enough.
The interviewer asked about whether the state law was hindering them from what they need to do, and the teachers passed on the question. One said that, "We need to intervene early." Okay, YEAH, but I am still puzzled, because my understanding is that the reason teachers don't provide any discipline is because they're not allowed to, but I don't hear them talking about why.
What smacks me across the face is the way these teachers are talking about these problems. They're so passive, and they talk in therapeutic terms. I can't imagine any of my teachers finding any of the behavior they're describing acceptable. The administration wouldn't have accepted it. When I went to school 30+ years ago, the teacher was to be respected. If you did anything to assault a teacher, that would get you a suspension, at the very least. If you hit or threatened a teacher...expulsion, on the first offense. You weren't given another chance, because we knew what was expected. No if's, and's, or but's. It was not tolerated. Teachers also had the ability to put their hands on students to restrain them, if they were running around the room, or endangering the teacher and/or students. They could take them by the arm to the principal's office, if they wouldn't go themselves. That's how this would've been handled, and I think it was effective. This hands-off approach is what doesn't work. Yet, it's what schools have been using since the 1990s. As another commenter said, I think it's because the schools/administrations are afraid parents would sue if they did anything but that.
Gary, that's was the most ill-informed statement on this video. You're blaming others for what is an obvious family structure breakdown, compounded by the lack of discipline and respect for others who are trying to help. Cops attacked, firemen attacked, teachers attacked. Do a search on CZcams for: "Students, Leave Those Teachers Alone." My parents were teachers.. they never had these outbursts because students were held accountable for their actions. But that was in the 50- 60s, when families were engaged with the school. Expulsion was the punishment for cursing at a teacher.. or assaulting them, and criminal charges would be filed.
SmartrMelons you do not understand where this problems come. Is has been studying at we know what is the cause and effect.
Gary: I'm quite aware of cause and effect. I stated the cause, you can't refute it. You're speaking in platitudes that have no grounding in reality. You blame others (government, democracy, etc.) in an attempt to negate personal responsibility. Your grammar sucks. How old are you, I don't want to debate with children or immature adults.
Retired teacher here in San Antonio,Texas.These teachers are telling everyone about my teaching years...exactly how it was for me.I feel the problem is that there is an increase of mental illness in our society.I refuse to substitute because I want no part of this nightmare.My first year of teaching was 1986 and it was just as they say back then.I have noticed that the difference from 1980's is that back then 2 classes out of 10 had issues,today every classroom has students with mental issues.By the way I taught grades 2 ,3,4,&5.I ask this question,Are the young teachers now entering the system going to go through this?
100% agree
Everything has changed. I started school in the 50's, and K through 12 I never once heard nor saw a kid disrespect a teacher. We were taught as kids to respect our elders. I can't believe kids have changed that much. It's how they were raised. Until parents change, these out of control kiddo's behaviors won't change.
Society Decay. These teachers don't know the higher levels operating despite their concern and empathy - they're doing a tragic job that is broken and they don't realize that because they see the real people innocent kids who are already broken in vast numbers.
Can we take a moment to realise this interview happened BEFORE covid lockdowns...
Lack of coping skills is an epidemic. Very little learning is happening today in public schools.
No it's a lack of of good old-fashioned ass beatings undisplined kids are now trama victims or they have disorder this is bull shit
@@alexiswaller3065 agreed
Not much at all. See it firsthand.
It depends on which children and which classes. Children in gifted / talented classes are learning a lot. Im fact, it's too much, and they're experiencing exhaustion.
Parents: Stop letting kids zone out on screens and start disciplining them. Stop indulging them and teach long-term gratification. Teach them how to show respect even when they feel wronged.
Please.
Jen Johnson EXACTLY!!! People need to learn that when kids complain that does NOT mean they should get what they want
@@uniq000 parents need to spank period
Going through school in the 60s this is so discouraging to hear about for both teachers and kids. Breakdown of the core family and class size really stand out. 30 yrs ago in Montana state law demanded the class split when it reached 28. Wish this was common now.
33 students is normal today
I taught ESL in a college in Canada and I had a little basket on my desk and the kids all put their phones in on their way into the classroom and took them out at break and put them back in after break and picked them up on the way out. If a phone went off during class time, I picked up the phone and said my name and if the parent had an urgent need to speak to their child, I would give the child the phone and they would go out of the classroom to complete the call. I always asked if they were OK when they came back. If a kid didn't want to put their phone in the basket, I told them to leave. I never had a problem. Honestly with that kind of behaviour that is being described in this video, security would be called and the student would be removed.
They can't communicate what they need....what they need is a swift kick in the ass. Welcome to the after-effects of permissive parenting. My children have a healthy fear of me. I am not their friend, I'm their Mother. They know "if I am disrespectful to my teacher, I have to deal with my mom and dad".
Exactly.
I told my children that I am your father I am NOT your friend and I have to make unpopular decisions.
@Trevor Sedis Nah, if women could wrap their heads around the fact that men aren't aggressive females, then life would be better and there would be not feminism. I don't recommend fear of the person that is suppose to be your lifelong partner.
As someone who has worked with kids, you have my support.
@@smitty9398 agreed