Stopping the crisis: Oregon teachers, parents consider solutions to stop classroom outbursts
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- KGW gathered educators, lawmakers, administrators and parents for a frank conversation about the rise of disruptive behavior in our classrooms. No idea was off the table as we discussed solutions to this problem. The conversation comes as KGW’s Cristin Severance has been speaking for months with teachers, counselors, parents and lawmakers about disruptive behavior in classrooms in Oregon and around the country.
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Whenever I got a note sent home from school my mom would go to school with me for a whole week. I will never forget that. These parents need to be held accountable for not taking care of their kids.
Also, these behavioral issues are a direct result of the neurological damage we are causing our children with the large amount of toxic vaccines we now give them. Research it.
I still remember when I got beatings and I leaned over time not to do it again in school.
My Dad reiterated to us, all five of us, at the beginning of every school: always respect adults and figures of authority, remember you are a student and you are not in charge you are there to learn, and if you get punished for an infraction at school, the consequences at home will be much greater. My Dad didn't play, he was a military man. You minded your parents and you minded your manners in public. The lack of discipline is the NUMBER ONE problem. There are no consequences for these heathens' actions so they continue...
@@ISa-jy8ol what vaccines and when did they start using them?
Exactly!
I AM FROM INDIA, CAME TO UNITED STATES WHEN I WAS 14. MONEY IS NOT A PROBLEM IN OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM OF THE U.S. BACK IN INDIA WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL, ALL WE HAD IN THE CLASS ROOM WAS A LIGHT BULB AND WOOD BENCHES FOR US TO SIT IN A CROWDED SPACE. THE FIRST DAY I ATTENDED THE SCHOOL IN AMERCIA, IT WAS LIKE ATTENDING SCHOOL IN HEAVEN!! WOW!!!!, LIGHTS, AIRCONDITIONING, WINDOWS, COLORED BOOKS, FREEEEE!!! COMPUTERS!!!. IN INDIA, WE HAD FUN AND MISBEHAVING IN THE CLASSROOMS, BUT THE WAY WE WERE SOON DESCIPLINED BY THE TEACHERS...,IS NOTHING LIKE HERE. THE TEACHERS IN AMERICA, ARE'NT GIVEN A PINT OF SELF DIGNITY AND AUTHORITY TO TAKE THE ACTION TOWARDS THE KIDS, THEY HAVE THEIR HANDS TIED, THEIR MOUNTHS SHUT!!!. IF THESE KIDS WERE SENT TO SOME THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.... JUST FOR A MONTH... YOU GUESSED IT.
The public schools are highly political. People forget that they are government owned and operated. The weird thing is that school board members often don’t know that they are officials with legal responsibilities. like the members of he local city council, with with different duties.
Education is viewed as a "white thing" by AA's.
@@texasrox2010 Did you just say India is homogeneous? Are you an idiot? Dude India is known as a subcontinent for a reason. Every single state is like a different country with different language, culture, food, attire....your level of ignorance is unbelievable
You are right....I'm an assistant professor in India. There is always a power dynamics in every institution. If you take away all the authority from teachers along with no consequences for students, that's the ideal breeding ground for chaos and anarchy. It's basic animal instinct to tussle for power supremacy and teenagers are too hormonal to control that basic aggression. The administration is using teachers as cannon fodder. Don't they have Unions?
@Kyle Everage There are several tribes in India. Google the state called Kerala. There is a large number of students who come from fishing villages and slums where educational expectations are very different. There is even a Black tribe in India. Google Northeast India and see what their racial identity is. None of them will ever lift a finger against a teacher. You guys are severely uninformed about India. Our former president APJ Abdul Kalam who even has a day dedicated as Science day in some Euporean country to remember his visit; his father was an illiterate man. Family background or race has nothing to do with classroom behavior. It only depends on how much teachers are respected in the culture. The students treat teachers like trash because they know they can unload their frustration on them and go scot free. It doesn't happen in India because we have culture which says 'Mom, Dad, Teacher, God'. Teachers are next to God and kids internalize this from a young age
If it’s “public shaming” to call down a student, there is no hope.
Helen Scott we are really doing these kids a disservice. They want to protect their ”feelings” but it’s really turning them into entitled brats and I worry for them as adults. They won’t know how to function in society.
@@MichelleNovalee I agree. Reality will be the necessary rude wakeup call for these soon-to-be-adults who think the world should revolve around them 24/7 no matter what. But since schools and some parents out there would rather shelter children from reality rather than properly prepare them to face it head-on, disaster looms on the horizon--whether for society, or the children of today, or both!
There really is no hope. The public schools need to be disestablished. Look what happened to the Episcopal Church, originally the state established Church of England, once it was disestablished after the revolution nationally, and then eventually by the individual mostly southern states: virtually all of their members became Methodists! That’s how the Episcopal Church went from being the majority religion of the entire country to roughly 1% of the population today, with perhaps 10% of that 1% actually attending services, or roughly 350,000 people in the pews out of a population of 330,000,000 in the entire country, a former British colony where it was punishable by death to skip holy communion just three times in the Crown Colony of Virginia, believe it or not! The same thing needs to be done to the public schools and of course the end result would be much the same. With real choice virtually no one would bother with the public schools any longer. I taught for 7 years and go to the point where I would laugh at people who told me they were teachers.
Teacher here…..shame has a place. If a child does something that hurts someone else s/he should feel ashamed. Shame lets us know we have done something wrong.
@@TheWhiskeyRomance Couldn't agree more. Parents would like teachers to speak to their kids as if they were employees. Employees can be fired. Kids can't and kids know it. That's a big difference parents overlook.
I taught for 32 years at all levels: elementary, middle, high, college. During that time, parental attitudes changed 180 degrees from backing the teachers to opposing us no matter how disruptive or defiant their kids are. The only exceptions were Asian kids: their parents always backed us 100%.
asians r the hardest working.. they really are.. i work w some and they work circles around the americans every single day
@@lyndza1989 you also tend to see it a lot from immigrant families whose kids are 1st generation.
@@donpietruk1517 yes 100%...this makes all the difference
All you need to know about people can be summed up thusly: “people are shit”.
This is one hundred percent true.
Why would I send my kid to a school that has lowered expectations in order to serve the worst kids in the school?
Teachers are told to have high expectations, and the students will rise to the occasion. REALLY??
bc you are poor and have no other options. poor people are still human and they still matter. poor children still matter even if their parents are alcoholic homeless people. a student i tutored in highschool was literally homeless and his parents were a drunk and guess what he sucked ass at school, what a shock. these people still matter. he fucking mattered, and just bc you suck doesnt mean you dont have a right to education. we need to be fighting to help these people and lift them up, we need more fucking teachers so the poor ass kids can get attention without the middle class kids losing anything. shitty kids and good kids are still just kids and they are on the same team, dont fight against the shitty kids, fight for them, they are not your enemies
@@gnova7 Everything you say is true but we should not sacrifice the education or future of well behaved, industrious students in a futile attempt to help poorly behaved students. Every kid deserves a chance but one kid is ruining the class for everyone else then it does not matter why to the rest of the class. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Absolutely! Put the disruptive offenders on the street.
Its how democrats get stuff done.
The kids need discipline and so do the parents!!
Yes Lord. Say that again. The parents need to be held accountable and jailed... clearly all these so call degreed/behavior ppl know nothing. Actions have consequences. "Some" of these kids need their azz whooped. Just saying....also perhaps the water lead,toxic metals, chemical imbalance levels need to be checked,
@Tracy Daniels Notice how they want to talk about feelings more than what is going on in he child's home.....fix mom and fix dad then address the lack of discipline at home and I guarantee the kids will start acting better when they have consequences and stable parents not on their phones all the time!!!
@audubon crosby I will say they do run the conservative women teachers off!!!
These teachers are being traumatized by 1st graders. The root problem here is the adults, and as a result they're screwing up the kids..
Also, these behavioral issues are a direct result of the neurological damage we are causing our children with the large amount of toxic vaccines we now give them. Research it.
The teacher who speaks of accountability is 100% correct.
Wait a minute. You have to avoid shaming a destructive kid? When we do something wrong, we should feel ashamed because we know there is a difference between right and wrong. Where do we learn that? At home, from parents.
Shaming is important. This idea that a child should never feel bad is completely wrong.
@@thecouchpotatocom i feel ashamed when im late to work. That is why i dont want to be late.
When I resigned from the Cleveland Public Schools I told my department chairman “anytime someone assaults me my number one concern at that moment is to stomp the shit out of them”. I went straight to the office, had a very pleasant chat with the ex-Army MP principal, signed my resignation, and walked out to become a GED tutor in adult education. The only exception to my policy of stomping the shit out of all assailants, students or otherwise, is to tackle them and place them in a choke-hold if they are too big to be thrashed using fisticuffs only. Anyone who thinks teachers aren’t entitled to defend themselves against student assaults is a fatuous ass bordering on the psychotically deluded.
Look homeschoolers, this is the "socialization" your are missing.
Not missing it. Churches parks and youth programs are fine. My homeschooler was one of the violent ones. He was diagnosed autistic, and you'd be surprised how far a weighted blanky hug goes. No more fits now. He might have even learned it in school, but yes, he was diagnosed autistic but "too smart" for ese.
Some day there may be documentaries about homeschoolers with mental health issues, poverty and a Fortnite habit and still manage to act like decent people. There's a lot more going on with homeschoolers than just privilege.
@@novascotia6407 I'd like to see that but it won't be promoted because it would go against the popular narrative.
Shut down public schools ,do what they do on airplanes shut it down,throw them off,put them to work cleaning public spaces for a few months, mandatory military training instead of sports .privileged minors are the big problem,rude, disrepectful punks sometimes violent.manners are cheap,and they go along way. Home school your kids. Teach Respect, truth and how to treat others.makem scared striagh
@@dougandrews3698 that's really not what homeschooling or good parenting is.
Poor little darlings. This is being over complicated. The answer is simple. Put the teachers back in charge of their classroom. Send the lawyers packing.
Get the politics out of the schools. Right now the LGBT agenda is forcing its way into the public schools, and like any other interest group trying to get its way.
I wouldn't call them that, but perhaps my heart isn't as good as yours....
@@jlex1049 no one's is
@Twin MommyMommy, and Christians, too!!!!
Why can't some of these people accept that we need to prepare our children for the real world. We know phones plus young children is a bad combo in school. If they need a phone, give them a flip phone ("dumb phone") and tell them it is a phone to call us or text us when they have to and needs to be off otherwise.
Accountability, care, support, discipline, grit, diligence. These are what the kids need to learn. That means support from teachers, administrators, and parents.
Let the Teachers teach. Let the teacher run the classroom. Notify the parents when the kid misbehaves and have the Principal notify the parents that if the students don't shape up their discipline, their kid is out.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE CODDLE EVERY SINGLE FEELING THAT ANYONE EVER FELT WAS NEGATIVE
People don’t come to their senses unless they are shocked into it.
🎉yup!!!!!!!!
Instead of sending the child home, have the parent come in the classroom and sit with their child.
leave work? really?
Yes, really. If you can't take care of a kid properly. Don't have them! @@christigoth
The one mom..."he's anxious and stressed out, kindergarten is so difficult..."
What? Good grief....
I don't know but I saw some kindergarten classrooms as an IT fixer. Some of them seemed overly strict on terms of trying to teach accelerated learning to 5 year olds.
There was math .. I don't recall math in kindergarten. Maybe learning numbers .. probably not even that.
I recall rudimentary writing in 1st grade. Kindergarten was crayons, gluing paper, singing, etc. The teacher played piano and sang simple songs. There was a 20 min nap time but I couldn't sleep.. just quiet time.
20 years ago that idea would have been ludicrous. Today they're trying to push languages.
@Phillip James Clearman Sure, an option, but it seems like we've got a lot of structural problems that need fixed first before we start offering brass and chrome, you follow?
Phillip James Clearman Language learning via immersion should be required at these ages. They are highly moldeable at this age and acquire language must more easily than older individuals.
@@gg_rider Yeah, kindergarten is suppose to be fun and mainly learning social skills as well as becoming acclimated to the daily routine of being on a schedule.
make parents held accountable for there childs actions.
@Gary Songer ...does that make you feel better to think that? It would appear so.
@Gary Songer religion has nothing to do with it....in "your" times god was hardly involved in public education either. What are you talking about; the national anthem? Im not sure in what ways the concept of god has anything to do with general education or the behavior of young children in classrooms...none whatsoever. Thats what I meant about you telling yourself to feel better that its because of not enough religion in schools that everythings different or worse now. Two completely unrelated things. To boil it down to that easy a cause would be completely oblivious.
@Gary Songer disciplined by who, staff at the school? Thats not allowed 🤷🏻♀️ all religions are free to be practiced in a public school, that's the rule constitutionally and an overarching rule for all public schools. You can report that teacher or whoever did that for discrimination--christianity is as allowed, and just as allowed as other people's beliefs to be practiced during their day in their personal time. Not during class hours obviously, but yeah. It's really not cutting out god, its just that now the Christian default is not the default anymore and we don't have to make all the kids go through any content related more to one specific religion than another. Its fair and better this way: ain't no one stopping you from being as christian as you want. You just gotta share the ground now. Not something you're used to, eh?
@Gary Songer how sad. 😢
@@oliviajk12 He maybe have spelled it badly, but the message is right on the money. You didn't misunderstand that now, didja???
The "crisis" is the lack of parenting.
maybe, but in reality it's stupid teachers an d stupid schools. they have no idea what kids need. they don' t need to sit still for hours all day , not even one hour, they are growing kids, sitting all day is totally unnatural. Just for starters. These teachers all have a common type of speech that betrays their inability to speak well or project speech to a whole room of kids. they are poor speakers. big deficiency. Most of them.
I’m with the guy they need consequences for certain actions. Caring for kids is something educators should do. However, classroom need to be reconfigured. Higher wages for teachers and educational staff . They also need smaller classrooms with more adult bodies in the room.
I also love how quickly he was shot down as soon as he said they needed consequences even by his own fellow teacher.
Just fully funding education and making sure consequences actually exist. There are students that are physically hurting themselves, teachers and other students (and destroying rooms) who are given zero consequences and are back in the room the next day. I graduated HS in '09. I would have been suspended if not expelled for this. What happened to zero tolerance for violence?
More money cannot solve this issue. Consequences have to come back.
@@thecouchpotatocom More money is certainly not sufficient, but it may be necessary.
If I was one of these teachers on this panel I would have walked out of that room and immediately given notice. They were completely unsupported, and fed a bunch of woo new agey BS that has no bearing on reality. Speaking of shaming, these administrators shamed these teachers for talking about reality
The good students should form a class action suit against the school board for not providing them with the education they deserve.
I totally agree with you. Because states feel obligated to take federal money, they are prisoners to the strings that come along with that. States and local school boards know more about what's going on than DC.
Yeah that sounds good, but who are the good students, cause the kids in my daughter school were bullies and they were consider the good students
@@tosa3797
Our actions define us.
Furrowed Brow
I don’t think more law suits will solve the problem, but I agree it’s very unfair to the children that are there behaving and ready to learn. It’s also unfair for the parents that are putting the effort into raising and educating their children. Societies problems eventually come to harm everyone.
@@theemeraldcity94
Allowing disruptions in the classroom will rob America of its future productivity.
The break down in society is reflected in the classroom and schools.
Exactly. Legalized pornography and homosexuality . Legalized mind altering drugs like marijuana , movies and TV that glorify sex , drugs , rock music , porn , fornication , adultery and organized crime . It no wonder this country is collapsing .
A study from the 30s showed that a society collapses after three generations (100 years) of straying from absolute monogamy and absolute chastity. We don't see things until the second generation, which is what we are in now. In the third generation (starting 2027), it really takes off and the society collapses. There's a reason Chinas doing so well, and a strong family is the root of it.
Thank you. Schools can't fix this. We have children coming from a broken society where the middle class is gone and there's no way schools can cope with this. Fix our society first.
Correct. These are the adults of tomorrow. Scary
Sadly...I believe you are right. I'm retired and glad to be out as a teacher, but I fear for the future.
Teachers are being pulled in so many directions! Feel sorry for the students, coddle them, ignore bad behavior, BUT YOU BETTER GET THESE TEST SCORES UP!
That's what my principal told me just last week. "The only thing that matters are the test scores."
And to put this into perspective the average adult American has a sixth grade reading level. So why all the fuss? It is painfully obvious that most people are violently anti-intellectual, think “eggheads” are jerks, don’t read, and hold jobs that can be mastered in two weeks on the job training. Kids who cannot do their academic work simply need to be flunked out of school and enrolled in trades apprenticeships, then get night-school GED tutoring if they wish to get a high school diploma.
You have no idea how difficult it is to be a teacher with all the restrictions on the students that are violent. Had entire math period of first graders sitting in hall while on child literally destroyed the room. The real slap in the face is no consequences for the students that misbehave
ON child?
Hardly a single practical common sense solution proposed by these people(except Mike). If I had behaved like that in Elementary School, I would have been punished by both the teacher and my parents. If I had repeated the behavior I would be out on my ass. These people are all about 'feels', not consequences.
You are so right they need consequences
Kids these days are so freaking sensitive, they will throw a fit and won't shut up til they get what they want, my mom when I was growing up only needed to stare are me with some evil eyes that I knew that when I was alone with her I was getting a whopping and it only took that for me to shut up and behave. I learn that not everything will go my way and it's all thanks to my parents. Yes I got whoop and yes I did deserve it and I love my parents for teaching me this since early age. Majority of parents these days are just not capable nor are mature enough to handle kids. They are just so blind in thinking that their kids are too special.
ytg50162011 That’s what you get when men remove themselves from the whole child development thing. You end up with chaos and anger issues because no one knows how to adequately respond to male specific issues.
I got nieces nephews cousins all their kids went to school including my kid. Came home with a piece of paper telling them that if their parents looked at them the wrong way, told them to sit in the corner, raise their voice, take away their toys or anything like that was mental abuse and that they could get in trouble for it!
I've seen kids who knew that there was punishment for doing something wrong.
As the year went on in school they basically became emboldened because they figured you can't touch me you can't do nothing to me I WILL CALL THE POLICE. Some of them did.
Or kids that were kicked out of school because if you LOOK at somebody for too long that's sexual assault. Because that's what they were taught in school.
The parents should think their kids can do no wrong can homeschool their kids then. If they think the school is a babysitter for them then charge them for it. Cameras and all the rooms any damage done by the kid the parents pay for. If the kids got mental issues or something like that bring it to the parents' attention so they can take care of it the school shouldn't!
But most parents today shouldn't have had kids in the first place because they refuse to be parents THEY want to be the FRIEND.
It’s the current pedagogy in education
Charge parents for damages
This is by far the smartest comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! People don't care about anything until it breaks their wallet. I promise you if parents had to pay for their disruptive child's behavior all those kids would be little saints in school.
Yes. We do this in my district and whenever something is destroyed it goes in the kids history and if charges aren’t paid, the kid can’t graduate. (I live in Nebraska)
Joelynn Carter I don’t think it’s the schools failing to deliver. I believe it is the parents failing to deliver. Children should be taught how to respect their teachers and control themselves BEFORE they ever set foot in a school! I think that if parents were charged to pay for the damage their kids create we would see a lot less of students tearing up classrooms.
Joelynn Carter I should be able to charge the parents a tax refund fee for disrupting my kids learning time.
@@SuperMbprincess thats as if you threw rock at a window and were like "yeah, i pay taxes to be able to do this".
I think its fair and should be encouraged. Though there are many other cases in which everyone has go pay for one persons negligence or stupidity.
You hear them. Stop academics and deal with mental health. All other kids get to wait.
That’s one way of dealing with it. I make certain academics continue, behaviors come but they don’t stop the show.
Physical violence and destruction of property should result in jail time for students and parents as well as punitive damages awarded to anyone involved. Private or institutional, whichever is the case. Enough is enough.
I taught at a big city high school where fully one-quarter of the kids were on probation. Then when these kids assaulted teachers the police would cuff them and walk them out of the building but then DROP THEM OFF AT HOME! So don’t expect too much. The teachers should all quit.
The cops typically drop student assailants off at home rather than booking them, but after putting on a big display of cuff them and removing them from the building. Then the kid gets may be a two week suspension, but after one week the principal is asking you if it’s okay to let the kid come back after one week. And the kid is a football player who looks like he belongs in the French Foreign Legion shooting insurgents in Djibouti or something to that effect. It’s hopeless. Everyone should just quit and let them do online academy. Really, who in their right mind even gives a shit anymore? This crap has been going on since the juvenile delinquents hysteria of the 1950s with movies like Blackboard Jungle. Even the former mayor of New York Bloomberg posted a comment to this effect on another CZcams DISGRUNTLED TEACHER VIDEO.
parents pay for the stuff destroyed. that's enough.
Preschool and kindergarten needs to be more about socializing. Room clearing rewards the disrupters, remove the one not the many.
Taze them, then remove them.
They're AUTISTIC
@@wendygold8527 Not all of them.
@@wendygold8527 you do not know that.
Kindergartens were never intended to be “schools," but places for managed play. But when you bring together kids whose home situations are so different. and where sentimentality governs those who run the school, one ignores the basic problem. A number of kids put together in the same room and assigned tasks., who may differ greatly in temperament and skills.
That one sensible guy in the back row is probably just so happy that he's retired.
Boy are you right about being the only sensible one, which made him hated by the rest. After ridiculing his input they then shut him out of the conversation completely.
Everyone else in the room came at the problem like single mothers (including the other man). He saw the problem and had common sense solutions.
@@jennymisteqq5399 I noticed how they reacted as well. They will NEVER solve these problems with that closed minded approach.
Self: The retired teacher is the one who feels able to speak truth. The rest have to repeat the official narrative.
Hands up on MIKE, the only guy here that had the solution but no one else listen nor care on what he was saying. DISCIPLINE!!!!! KIDS NEED DISCIPLINE. THAT WILL SOLVE A GREAT MAJORITY OF THE ISSUES PEOPLE.
@@Wblanco23 they all literally agreed on the need of accountability/consequences/discipline. Really listen and you'd realize every single one of them agreed on the same solutions but just expressed them in different ways. As well the need of compassion/counseling/TIC friendly approaches, they all agreed on that too, even MIKE lol. Basically it's ALL needed not just one over the other. And yes, we need families/parents to do 90% of the work but we also have to think practical in that regard as well. We're not all stay at home moms or dads. We all don't make the same amount of money. We all don't work just one job or a normal 9-5. Circumstances matter.
14:50- You can teach or model what caring looks like but there’s a point where you can’t care more than the child. It’s the responsibility of the parents to teach their child to care about education and people.
I agree with you 100% @26humor26!
She was hyperfocus from the moment the conversation began.I could see myself gettinvent a Serious verbal confrontation with that Woman. She's annoyed with everyone seems like.
Schools must have the ability to remove kids who behave badly. Or isolate them into behavior modification programs. You cannot let them infect the entire class.
Same thing public school teachers wanted 50 years ago. See the movie 'Lean on Me'.
Counciling should be done outside of the classroom by councilors. Traumatized children need different schools so that they don't traumatize and hinder the other students.
I think you mean COUNSELING and COUNSELORS. A councilor is a lawyer.
Did you hear the panelists all agree that there are no staff members or funding to provide the necessary Counselors?
The principal said they lowered expectations because they needed to figure it all out. It took 2 years. So... there was no learning for 2 whole years? Wow.... That's not something to boast about.
She wasn’t boasting. She was highlighting how dire the situation was and the drastic changes they had to make to assist their students. Monetary resources are scarce. It’s not as simple as hiring more teachers for smaller classes, more counselors to support students, and more resources to support education and development for both kids and teachers. They worked with the limited resources they had and trained the few employees they had (its so hard to recruit and retain teachers in these schools) to provide their students with what they needed. They did the work. Evidently the school wasn’t getting any teaching done if you had to do 2-4 room clears a week. Nothing was getting done in the classroom anyway because of behavioral issues. They “lowered” educational expectations because they needed teachers to focus on restorative practices first and then integrate the strong educational practices back into the classroom. This is not to say that there was no learning, but that learning itself was on the back burner until the classroom could function on a daily basis.
That's why we need to homeschool. Why should everyone have to suffer because of a miserable few? The inmates are running the institution. Get the sane kids out and give them the chances they deserve.
How much lower do you have to go have you ever seen some of these kids when they graduate.
I'm dealing with kids that been out of high school for weeks. They cannot write beyond fifth grade level cannot read above seventh grade level can't do simple math without calculator.
My kid was in school for 2 weeks and had a senior teaching the class for 2 weeks not a teacher.
So what we are all seeing and hearing is that it’s the parents who aren’t parenting their kids. The parents are tossing their children to the government and school districts and expecting them to raise their children. It’s terrible
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Sounds about right
Mike and the other guy are the only ones that made sense to me. ....
Maria Ruiz yes! It’s the other people who don’t want to discipline and just want to “care” aka “baby” the students, that are causing the problem in the first place. Obviously the parents aren’t going to change or discipline their kids. Some students rely on school being the only place for them to get the structure and discipline they need and deserve. And sadly students don’t get that anymore.
Yes, Maria. You are spot on. The two guys were truthtellers. Kindergarten should be developmentally age appropriate-- hands-on, language and social skills. As a Kindergarten teacher, I had something very interesting happen. One year, I had six very young sudents, who were disruptive and enjoying it. We conferenced with all parents. Only two of my students' parents enacted consequences. They were Asian. One couple took away all toys, and the child was only given paper and pencil. The other child was held accountable, because the dad was a highschool teacher and did not want his child to end up like some of the kids in his class. These two students became my top students. Laurie
I was raised with the rule: "if you get into trouble at school, you will be in twice as much trouble when you get home" I respected my teachers and fellow students. What the hell has changed? How did things go so sideways?
Right, I started first grade in 1960. If we acted up at school we got our asses busted and then got it again when we got home. My dad was big on teaching us kids to respect adults.
You are delusional to think that the US education al system was ever good in the first place.
My parents were Not my effing friends and I knew that since infanthood. They weren't perfect, but I respect the h_ _ _ out of them for that. We need to bring back old school values and methods!
@@kimberlyhicks3644 lol..old school values? Give me a break. What year are you referring to? Who was allowed in school at that time? And the last time i checked the US school system has never been good for anyone.
@@daviddixon6408 respect adults? Yeah right. It clearly wasn't towards all races during the time of desegregation.
They may love their child, but do they know how to raise them?
So true! I had a friend in high school who never got discipline. He had wild parties at his house, wrecked multiple cars and his parents just bought him new ones. He grew up thinking the rules didn't apply to him. He got into hard drugs, overdosed and died at 32.
@@billyberger2462 That's horrible.
@Feanor I think you are probably saying basically what Billy already said. Maybe I read it wrong.
Namarie. ;)
More parents should discipline and spank their kids and maybe this wouldn't happen
I'm an old woman. My life is drawing to a close. I have watched the downward spiral of our school systems in this country for 70 years. I know exactly what has happened but in today's confrontational society I have learned to keep my mouth shut. I will say these conversations remind me a lot of what Orwell called "think speech".
The right thinks it’s lack of discipline. The left thinks it’s the rise of income inequality, poverty, and homelessness. What if it’s a combination of these factors? There is sadly no easily solution. I do think kids are more susceptible to “trauma” than we were back in my day in the 80s when things weren’t so divisive, zero social media, and our daytime entertainment involved going roller skating, riding our bikes, and not sitting in front of a screen bejng told that all whyte people are evil supremacists out to get them
You remind me of an Orwell quote. "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." Laurie
I am 65 and when I was in school there was an expectation that we would not act out. We would not disrespect our teachers, parents ect.
Pathetic.
No one except the older man said anything coherent.
I taught for 8-9 years. I get the buzzwords. The worst was the principal.
I haven’t heard that much use of the word trauma and counseling outside of a hospitals ER psych wing.
PARENTS. PAAAAAAARRRREEEEENNTS.
Barbara Creel I thought it was just me. Lol. I felt ignorant listening to them. They use a lot of what seems to me like jargons. Btw, what did that lady mean by "ruler"? Is it some kind of program or activity?
adoptedinlove I’ll listen to that again. I don’t remember the term “ruler”. Maybe it was an abbreviated term. Like ESL, or TESL, or IEP. Stupid programs. The whole department should be dismantled; and MAYBE re built from the ground up- all the money is going to all of these extra programs where they just hire more consultants and make up names for their specialty areas and create new departments within curriculums or behavior… Like they were talking about EQ as emotional intelligence something like that? Ridiculous. What I hate the most is the whole “we will just have to keep trying each year if something doesn’t work“ which just means to scrap the whole program that they convinced the state or federal government even to spend hundreds of millions on, paying the specialists and consultants and experts to come and teach the teachers things that they already know how to do that they learned at university level at the very beginning and also picked up within teaching within their own careers… There are tons of books on curriculums and instruction and behavior techniques one of the best ones I learned by the way was CHAMPS. out of every class I’ve ever taken for education whether it was voluntary or I paid for it which you didn’t used to have to do, or I took it to school or is forced to take it at my assigned school… It was the best program actually was the only worthwhile program that explained explicitly and had pedagogy and psychology actual step-by-step things to do and ways to create it for yourself so that you understood it as a teacher and examples of what worked and how you knew it worked I wish that every beginning teacher took that champs course… It’s basically a classroom management behavior, Time management strategy communication course, complete with exercises and examples of how to hit your targets how to manage your time and how to know when you’re succeeding and how to give positive feedback and how to discipline properly without losing a class or a student or getting reamed by a supervisor or bullied. It took me years to really understand how to apply the standards that we have and apply them to the curriculum, and know when I was supposed to do it… They just give you a new book every year and then you were supposed to sit with your department and figure out when you want to hit the standards every quarter and nobody was explicit enough it almost seems like nobody knew what the hell they were talking about and when I tried to ask pacific questions I never got detailed answers even my own supervisor was like “but I’m not gonna do your job for you“ and will just help me to watch somebody else’s classroom during my prep time… She was awful all stick and no carrot basically she was abusive and more than a bully I had to register many complaints anyways...The direct administration just Ben’s over for the higher ups at the district level because they want money and kickbacks because they know that if there school doesn’t look like it’s progressing that they will lose funding that they will be treated poorly by their own superintendents and they pass that fear and threat down to us… We start new programs all the time they throw the baby out with the bathwater we can’t afford any other materials because our districts are spending all of the money on these programs all of the money on hiring these new consultants all of the money on paying the superintendents and principles and who God knows what else these fake programs for some of them I’m convinced don’t even exist.
They lie to us tell us were getting raises tell us even where the moneyis coming from whether it’s taxes or a program or a settlement or money from a marijuana TaxACT… Like a Nevada… It’s been going on for two years and we haven’t seen a dime… Well it’s not weird anymore I refuse to work as a teacher for the district but I’m glad that I got vested and I have person I’m going to see if I can transfer that stuff over to another state government agency which is nice working for the man… But women in education and that senior roles within administration with the school they will fuck you they will not let you transfer they will make sure that you can’t by writing horrible shit in your files, Pylon until you lose the will to fight and even live sometimes, even if you ask and ask and ask for a new supervisor like you’re allowed to, you can be denied apparently you can ask the transfer but I was even told that no one would take me and that she basically said I had to stay there or resign. She spent every other day working as hard as she could in her office, I mean I saw sometimes just walking down the hall and I knew… Or her strategy is where she would have a secretary interrupt my first class the beginning of the day telling me that she needed to see me in her office at the end so that I like mentally and physically couldn’t even teach I was so anxious and I had PTSD by the end where I would get sick the next day I would throw up I couldn’t eat I started drinking it was awful and I documented everything… But I was so passive and weak and young at the beginning that I thought that I could make her happy by not going to my union sometimes and she was just the dumbest mouth breather that has ever walked the earth… And she obviously felt threatened by everybody in our department… I have no clue why she decided she would supervise an English department… She routinely bullied and picked on people and she enjoyed it very obviously. She would threaten individual teachers with retaliation on their careers… And they wouldn’t ever come together and go after her because everybody just was so scared and kept other stories to themselves even if they would share everybody neglected to come together and file a larger complaint I mean she would say things like “if you say something to the district about having a larger class-size I’ll know it was you“ to teachers that were just asking for support.
I know that I would be a much better teacher now I’ve grown up and I’ve had a kid and I’ve learned a lot about being an adult and being responsible more than ever, but I will never put myself in a capacity to be taken advantage like that ever again or treated like a child
Barbara Creel Your response was lengthy but I read it all. I must say.. after watching all these videos and interviews about what goes on in schools I'm not as shocked anymore. But I am deeply bothered and am sympathetic with the teachers and the students. It seems like both groups are hedged in from all sides. Teachers don't have a voice, whether it be in the administrative council or in the classroom.. and a lot of the students of today are bombarded with negative influences everywhere they go. And the pressures of society that make it worse. After reading your experience I have a clearer picture of what goes on behind the scenes. A lot of what you mentioned were not tackled at all in this video.. I suppose partially because of the people in the room. The root causes are rarely addressed. And everytime I hear statements like "we need more funding" or "students need teachers who look like them" I just shake my head. The problems run much much deeper. I agree that the solution must be multi-tier. If real change is to be realized, everyone in the community needs to get onboard. Because while one factor is dealt with, other hidden factors are subtly eating away at the institution. It's sad. I taught high school abroad in Thailand and the Philippines and we never had to deal with such problems. But I worked at a private sector so I don't know how things went on at public schools.
I'm sorry to hear about all these issues you had to deal with. The fact that the adminstration at your school just cared about funding and public reputation to the complete neglect of their workers, let alone the students, is sad. That's one of the "hidden factors" that isn't addressed. And I think as long as the people involved are not willing to put everything on the table, nothing will change and the situation will just continue deteriorating.
The black woman was obtuse as hell and is part of the problem - she didn't like the conversation...she never do.
Barbara is 💯 on target.
Thank you to the guy in the blue jacket; he is so right. The administrator and first year teacher need to be quiet and learn. Caring dosen't always work. Discipline is a must. Discipline is caring.
EXACTLY
As a retired Child & Youth Worker in Toronto, Ontario, I am fully behind consequences and boundaries. You need to clearly state the behaviour, tell the kid that if he continues to trash the classroom (e.g.,), he will have to clean it up. Then when you think he's made a big enough mess, say "Ok, you clearly were angry, but it's time now to clean up your mess so we can talk about it. I'll help ..." I had a child who would pick up chairs or solid wooden blocks and heave them into the crowd of JK/K kids sitting on the carpet. He would go and up-end all the puzzles, throw the bins of lego, and I would consistently remind him that he'd have to clean it up. If he gave me attitude ("you can't make me") I'd say, well actually I can, and I'd take his hand and put it into the pile of lego, and "help" him put it in the bin. It took awhile but he eventually got it and we had a relatively uneventful rest of the year.
Absolutely! Well said.
@@margjohnson571We can’t do it in my school because they consider it putting hands on a student. Sigh
Also, how do I fill my cup every single day so that I can "pour" in to 32 kids times 5 classes a day. That is mission impossible. That means I can never be tired or sick or have my own grumpy day. I am not a robot. I am human too.
This all started when parents started suing schools and teachers if little Johnny was disciplined. Pass legislation that if a child disrupts a classroom and interferes with another child's education, the parents get sued.
Put rules back in school and have kids follow them.
Children that fear no punishment or physical domination will feel empowered to misbehave.
Last year my son was physically assaulted at school by another child, who was a foot taller than him and 2 years older then him, the district refused to allow me to see the video of the assault and in the end I had to bring the police department into the mix to get any help. It's a shame school districts no longer have the ability to discipline children and as for the one teacher in this video that said her students were dealing with "trauma from poverty and homelessness," what do you think is going to happen to them when they are in the real world? They are not going to have you there to save them, they need to be taught that some behavior has consequences now when they are young, before they are out on the streets and getting arrested for the same behavior you are allowing to go on in the classroom, you're not helping them, you're setting them up for failure.
School is being treated like a business and has to “earn” positive reviews from the parents.
It’s all about placating the parent instead of being just able to do their job like before.
Every time I spanked my children we discussed the decision they made that brought them here. Ultimately, it was their choice to be punished. Life is made of consequences from your choices.
@@sarcasticallyrearranged I quit teaching to become a barber. And in barbering the customer is always wrong! This is because the customer doesn’t know how to cut hair, has shitty hair, and wants the wrong haircut. So the business model of “customer service” doesn’t really work anywhere so long as the customer is an ignoramus. Teaching is not retail anything. The schools have been destroyed by social promotion, non-enforcement of disciplinary standards, political cowardice in dealing with parents, and the attitude that teachers are idealistic chumps who can be short-changed. What kids really need sometimes is a good beating. It’s no different than training work dogs. The reductio-ad-absurdum of current public schooling is that the kids are allowed to assualt the teachers and the teachers aren’t even allowed to bitch-slap them to deflect a physical assault. Public education needs to be shut down and contracted out to private and church school operators plus subsidized online academy, including moderated online academy with child-care workers other than academics.
You obviously don’t work at a school. It’s not the schools fault kids suck, it’s the parents, like you. I’m sorry that happened to your kid but it’s the parents of the other kids and the state laws fault.
Poverty and homelessness are trauma inducing. But until we can fix all of society’s problems, people need to be able to do their jobs and feel like their well behaved children are safe and learning. These administrators really showed that they don’t care and aren’t listening to their teachers
I believe that holding students and parents accountable for their misbehavior is paramount! How is a teacher supposed to teach academics and teach what parents are supposed to do at home? Things such as manners, behavior, respect etc… it starts at home.
In reality most people are so stupid that they have no business being in any sort of a college preparatory program. We need a renaissance of the manual arts for all the dull normal people, or at least 50% of the population. The currently prevailing notion that you can’t earn a living unless you go to college is total insanity. If that’s true then how is it that between one-third and one-half of college graduates need to obtain trades training in order to become employable once they realize what a waste of time substitute teaching is? I’m talking about people with college degrees who literally must enlist in the military as enlisted men in order to feed themselves, or attend trucking, commercial diving, seafarers union apprenticeships, flight school, barber college, massage therapy school, culinary school, carpentry apprenticeships, and so on ad nauseam ad infinitum. It is patently obvious that college for everyone is total nonsense and a complete waste of money in many cases.
I have seen kids come back from the office holding a bag of chips. Then they think “ if I act up I get chips”. The bad behavior is rewarded.
This is what post modernist teacher training gets you. "Restorative circles"!?! WTF. Discipline needs to be brought back as part of the curriculum.
Yup
How does this work with a male child whose natural aggressiveness has never been curbed? OR. alternatively, has been abused physically and emotionally? If there are too many of them, the school is overmatched.
Left teaching after 23 years....and right on target...no mention of HOME...root of the issue. When it was , by one person, you can see how triggering it was for some, it will not change and Money is NOT the answer. Home responsibility and accountability is crucial.
I will be honest, schools do not need more money. School systems throw millions away each year on assessment software that is ineffective, or they spent 2 years on one and then switch to another. Same thing with reading assessments. Change the assessment every few years and each comes with a new set of books that have to purchased. I wish they would go in and gutt central offices. There's way to many individuals making 120k+ a year, but what do we have to show for it. Schools do not need literacy and math coaches...just teach as we used to do, it works. As a former teacher, there's plenty of money...but its poorly spent. I would love to see the day where every school and school system has to put their budget/account ledger online for public view. We the tax payers have a right to see how every penny is spent...when...and on who/what. All this from someone that was once on the inside!
They have a lot of theories but the root of the problem is parenting. If they act like this in school they act like this at home.
uhh....no you teachers are also responsible for avoiding teaching actual education and worried about social studies and integration of PC culture. you guys literally spend more time w the kids than the parents because of your unending demands and oversized classrooms so then the taxpayers can fund more of your indoctrination and not educate. you literally on your watch, saw the US fall from 1in 1979 to 24th in the world, because you were too worried about feelings and not actually teaching these kids anything of value. you Reap what you Sow...
Typical knee jerk response...throw money at it. That'll *definitely* solve the issue.
Every bit of that is true.
Im glad that these issues are coming to light in the public eye. Things have gotten wildly out of control, that's for sure!
These problems always start at home. I’m not saying these parents aren’t doing their best but their child may need more than what they can provide.
Love all of the passive voice associated with the student's. The student is in control, the inmates are running the asylum. Welcome to the upside down.
Facts
so everyone has trauma, the teacher has trauma, the kids have trauma, the parents have trauma. Since when people became so psychologically fragile? Deal with these issues more pragmatically and less emotionally perhaps?
And these are only young children unbelievable
We have to be taught how to deal with trauma . and because it is invisible ( do to the magic power of denial ) how to recognise it . if we do not face and defeat this problem we will for the rest of our lives be its bitch .
That's true because teachers are not equipped or certified to be mental health crisis therapists
Hear me out…Let’s start with two teachers per classroom and one aide. Before saying it won’t happen…it has to happen. This is no longer a one teacher per classroom job. The system is abusive to teachers. It needs to do a full stop and make a u-turn.
This is why parents are supposed to teach their children how to deal with their emotions. You have to set boundaries from the beginning and teach them to consider the impact of their actions on others. Toddlers can learn this stuff.
I realize extreme poverty and homelessness adds a whole other set of difficulties, and I'm not sure how much the school can do there. That is surely not the majority of students though.
It doesn't need to be the majority of students for this level of disruption to occur.
The schools need a universal policy for all students and when children break those rules, they must leave the room.
A lot of this has to do with a serious lack of appropriate parenting.
This is why I homeschool my kids.
Why would I subject my kids to this behavior. Like sending your kids to prison every morning.
I've been a substitute teacher for the past year. After witnessing what goes on in public school classrooms, I would tell any parent, at least in the county where I live, you need to homeschool your children. You are being negligent in your parental responsibilities if you send your kids to public school. It only takes 2 or 3 really bad apples in a classroom to bring down the whole class. Many teachers wind up spending 50 to 80% of their time disciplining students instead of teaching them.
Sitting in stiff seat all day in a cold and constricted institution of a school is waste of one's childhood. Kids need fresh air and room to move around. Online classes and communicating through Skype with teachers might be a better alternative for learning. Or CZcams live.
can't even take a piss when you need in a public school lol. they're worse than prison
Homeschooling is the best investment you can ever make in your children's future happiness and success.
Bless all the parents who home school! ♥️
my generation did not have a problem, this is different, no fathers worth a damn, single child family makes for a poorly socialized kid. Transgender behaviors being touted as normal. These kids are the beginnings of the downfall. This is going exponential. Add in a whole group of various third world 2nd generation migrants who have seen horrific crimes against humanity.
Lowered expectations? What about the well behaved kids who are missing out on learning? Ridiculous 🤨
I was a kid dealing with trauma from domestic violence in the house hold growing up. My school principal just kept suspending me from school. This had a huge impact on me as a adult, now I read and write on a 6 grade level but I finished college through dedication and hard work. I think a lot of the issues are not getting the parent involved into the school life. They only involve the parent when it something bad but they should involve them into each part of the school life.
I mostly agree, but how do you convince (maybe require?) parents to be involved in their children's schooling.
@@StopWhining491 Well from a disciplinary standpoint, every single parent out there regardless of their own level of education and income is 100% able to instill good, positive, moral values and work ethics into their children from the day they are born until the day they are out of the nest. From an academic angle: parents are strongly encouraged to read to their children every night before bed, go the library, museums, and other educational places with their children regularly, check in on their homework every night to at least make sure their children have completed the assignment per the directions and either placed the finished work in their backpack to take to school and turn it in the next day or submit it online in a timely fashion. Plus, reading and responding to school emails from their children's teachers checking in with the teachers themselves to stay on top of their children's academic and social-disciplinary progress at school on a regular basis is more than welcomed!
When I was a kid in the 80s parents weren’t required to be involved in our schooling at all. Some parents chose to become involved, but it wasn’t required. And we didn’t have these problems. Did the kids with super involved parents have better outcomes where they were in AP classes, student council, staring in all of the school plays, ending up going to Pac 10 colleges? Yes. But the rest of us who had extremely uninvolved parents like mine didn’t end up claiming “trauma.” I never threw chairs or talked back to teachers, and I ended up going on to state college. Sure I might have gotten farther in life if my parents were more involved, or even a little bit involved, in my schooling. But blaming this all on lack of parental involvement when parents are now required to volunteer for school events, do their kids homework with them, send snacks, show up for every event - well that’s just completely incorrect. Signed someone who remembers when parental involvement wasn’t a thing
@@munimathbypeterfelton6251 One might say that this entire crisis is the fault of helicopter parenting, not lack of parental involvement. We had zero parental involvement back in my day and I never saw a kid throw a chair in class. Not once. It seems to me that too much parental involvement is causing a lot of these problems. Back in my day kids were expected to rise to adult levels and behave. I was lucky enough to have well read parents who modeled good behavior. I don’t see this happening these days. I see parents who are extremely entitled raising kids who are extremely entitled, and centering their world around their kids to the point of raising brats who expect the world to bow to their every whim.
Family in crisis, lack of parenting is the root cause.
Lack of the ability to parent.
Lerian V very obviously. These educators are so twisted around with buzzwords in fear because of principals like that woman.
schools in crisis.... too much PC bullshit.. and not worrying about actually education. can't balance a checkbook, change a tire, do simple math, no knowledge of history... but that have their feelings.
Wow you figure out the cause how smart. No shit that is the cause but that doesnt help the kids in any way it aint no solution. it aint illegal to have kids if you suck ass. how about you focus on things we can control instead of focusing on the parent which we cant. duh the parents are the problem but just saying that shit isnt a solution and you cant boss around a full grown adult it they arent breaking the law. it is legal to swear around your kids and feed them fatty foods and never help them with homework. this shit is legal and teachers have to pick up the pieces of these shit home and they are saying they need more help so listen to them
We need bdys an muney. Lol
My solution as an educator?
First off, most of the explosive behavior I have dealt with is learned behavior. Kids learn at home that screaming and destroying things is the most viable way to control adults. As they enter kindergarten we validate this behavior by giving them the attention they so desperately crave. As each cohort of kids move up each grade level, more and more students learn that there is no reward in listening to adults and no punishment for defiance. By the time they enter middle and high school only a small percentage of a cohort could be considered responsible students. The vast majority emulate criminal behavior that is encouraged by the music and media they consume.
In my school we have kindergartners who regularly run through the school with 3 to 4 adults attempting to stop them. These kids are not crying, they are not upset, in fact they are smiling and laughing at us as we play their game. The most effective solution in my opinion would be to remove the unintended reward of attention from their obnoxious behavior and instead direct attention on behavior we want to see from our students. Solitary confinement is what we need. Confine them away from attention and entertainment and they will learn. We have special education for those with actual disabilities that prevent emotional regulation, but the truth is that General education classrooms are far further out of control than any special education classrooms I have worked in.
Lastly, we need to be honest about how we have caused this ourselves. Blaming poverty and trauma is laughable. Poverty and Trauma are age old problems that have not affected education in the past. It is our fear of punishing children and our eagerness to only reward that has brought us here. I think this also correlates to the gross under representation of men in the schools.
Kinda venting here but tell me what you guys think.
@Kimihiro -- " _I think this also correlates to the gross underrepresentation of men in schools_ ."
BULLSEYE !!!🎯
Did you notice how quickly the camera cut away from the man who spoke up about consequences? Did you notice how the principal that addressed him was resisting almost exclusively points _that he never made_ ? That was *ubiquitous* throughout my years as a teacher, and I notice the same dynamic in almost every meeting (both those I attended and those I watch as an outsider) Those things, combined with the *complete* (KEYword) shutdown of physical discipline and the FLOOD of feelings-based policies and trainings that took its place are the biggest things that made education hostile to men!!
Take away the men, strangle them, immobilize them and neuter them, and you will have killed the discipline--and _multiplied the chaos and destruction_ .
I taught private and public K-12 for nearly 20 years, both parents were teachers (Dad was Dean of Education at a university), and my brother, uncle and two cousins all taught (which covered kindergarten through graduate school). That is to say I am not merely giving a myopic and ill-informed opinion.
100% correct
Couldn’t agree more, while I understand that certain children do have behavioral and emotional problems, that doesn’t absolve them from facing no consequences. Actually this leads to more serious mental health problems in their real would as they don’t have skills to regulate their emotions, and manage their own behavior. Also this is why when they revive consequences in the real world they freak out/ commit crimes etc. I’m not saying we need to scream at kids/ put their fear of god in them to conform to our expectations, but we need to hold them accountable l. Ex let’s say little Johnny constantly interrupts the teacher during the lesson he should receive a warning and if the behavioral continues. A privilege (ie recess should be taken away). Would he be upset in the moment probably but I don’t see how that would damage a child emotionally throughout their lives. And also side note they never say what the tools are for the teachers in regards to managing behavior.
“Poverty and Trauma are age old problems that have not affected education in the past.” ABSOLUTELY 💯🎯
Kimihiro111. My great-grandfather had a difficult childhood but he made something of himself, he created jobs and bought his first family home by the time he was in his thirties. My grandfather (dad's side of the family) had difficulty learning but he pushed himself forward to self-learn some skills, he was one out of seven children. My grandmother (granddad's wife) came from poverty and yet she self-educated herself in ethics, values, life experiences, and education-wise. Decades later they had my father, who lost his father at age 12 and his sister was killed in a hit-and-run. Their traumas didn't stop them from having successful educations. My father's side of the family has reached college education and beyond. My mom's family has gone through trauma too. But that didn't stop them from succeeding in school, she works as a doctor. The whole "We need to treat these kiddos like daisies and rainbows. We can't hurt their feelings" Okay. Maybe some of them. Others need tough love and discipline from their family.
As my grandfather used to say "Discipline, morals and ethics start at home. Education and societal [peer groups, teamwork] skills start in school".
All of this could be solved in a week. Its not that hard, kick out the kids who misbehave. Make the parents take responsibility
Disgusting. The man in the back made sense. The other people arguing with him are literally causing the problem with the students. He’s right, 10, 20, 50 years ago it was just as hard if not HARDER for kids. Trust me, I was one of them who grew up living in 3 different shelters because of being homeless. I NEVER treated my teachers that way. I was so well behaved. Yes, parents can suck. But the school system is at fault because we stopped disciplining. Staff who don’t want to discipline and just want to “care” aka “baby” the students are causing the problem in the first place. Obviously the parents aren’t going to change or discipline their kids. Some students rely on school being the only place for them to get the structure and discipline they need and deserve. And sadly students don’t get that anymore.
That teacher, Nichole Watson is screaming "woke, soft teaching" to me. She was immediately combative and clearly felt offended and attacked by the notion of consequences. The implication that the other teachers weren't "compassionate and caring" because they weren't focused on every kid's individual trauma, DAILY??? IT was so gross. And the whole "teachers of color" thing, again, like the kids from previous generations didn't learn and thrive or regularly excelled without them? Please
There's millions of kids who grew up poor, disadvantaged and with mental health/ behavior issues before 2010. I grew up in a poor community, an immigrant neighborhood with plenty of white teachers and kids' parents who worked 2 or more jobs each. The in class violence and assault was rare, maybe once a year, by one kid per grade, if that. Because THE PARENTS DID THEIR JOB AS PARENTS. Because the teachers were backed by the system and the parents.
So tell me how the kids didn't behave like this without the tech, with the racism, the lack of funding, without the privilege of being white, without the middle class income, before 2010???
Let's be real. The school system isn't backing teachers, and parents aren't parenting properly.
If you want me to be a therapist I want to be paid therapist wages!!
Margaret Garbincus 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
pay them zookeepers wages
@@frankyflowers TOP KEK
Ms. Watson teaches at a school where the average teacher salary is $54k a year. She works 165 days a year. That averages out to about $325 a day. I ignored the 10 personal days she gets a year.
A therapist in Portland averages about $46k a year or about $280 a day. Oh, wait....I almost forgot, a therapist has to work a standard work year of 50 weeks....or 250 days a year. That makes it about $185 a day.
ACCER You’re forgetting that they are being required to be both a teacher and therapist in one. So, it does no good to compare the “amount of work” and average wages of the two professions in the area. She is stating that if she is required to be a therapist as well that she would want the additional compensation. Secondly, teachers work much more than the days they “teach” and spend much of their earned income on their classroom. We spend ample time, planning and restructuring for our various classes, creating assignments/tests/quizzes/activities from scratch to meet our students needs, calling parents, participating in professional development, running clubs/coaching, and the list continues. Multiple hours of planning occur before any single lesson is taught. Also, the job is very rewarding but equally taxing and classroom resources often come out of the teachers own paycheck. You’re representation of the issue, while factual, is very misrepresentative of the issue. It is extremely difficult to plan appropriately, manage and instruct a class of students with some of the issues stated by these professionals, and serve as a therapist within the allotted time. Teachers deserve the breaks that they get and desperately need that time to recharge lest they risk burnout.
If you pull the teachers hair, the teacher should cuff you like a cop and the police should drive that kid to the parents and give them one warning before they all go to jail for assault.
Yup
agreed
Parents are legally responsible for the actions of minor children. If a kid/kids wreck a classroom, threaten/injure a student or teacher, or in some other way prevent the teacher from instructing a class, the student should be expelled, and the parents sued for all damages whether physical or material.
Yup.
Here's the deal.... Violent kids can be terrifying for the non-violent kids, as well as the staff. I work in a public school and have seen dozens and dozens of full-blown violent outbursts where students have physically and mentally hurt staff and other students. I've also been physically assaulted by students. I've had to soothe crying students who are traumatized by the violence they witness in schools. In addition, the violent students sometimes completely destroy their room and cause thousands of dollars in damages. The schools just keep it on the down-low and nothing happens. This happens in every single public school in this country on a daily basis. Parents of the violent student are never charged for their child's destruction of educational property nor asked to pay for the teacher's personal property that was ruined either. It's absolutely asinine. The policies that our schools follow demand students and staff that they just have to put up with abuse and violence because violent students get to do whatever they want and they get away with it over and over again. This is a dirty little secret of America's Public Schools and it's going to keep getting worse. When abuse is reported to DHS about the red flags of abuse or the horrible home life of many of these violent students, again... NOTHING IS DONE to help the students who are many times acting out as a scream for help. Bad parents raising violent kids. Our Human Services system only fans the flame of this issue by not removing defenseless children from abusive homes.
The importance of a strong family unit is the start of restoring the society!
Exactly
We can start with sustainable wages so that two parents don't have to work and the mother can stay home and raise the children like they were meant to .!!
Where are the parents? Doesn't this behavior happen at home?
ANOTHER reason why I'm homeschooling my children.
Exactly!
If I had children, I would absolutely homeschool.
Btw, beautiful profile picture! 🥰
@@zxyatiywariii8 thanks so much!
@freesf ftrefv and that's very true. It's sad that parents are no longer parenting
I totally agree with Mike we make so many excuses for kids behavior and now the behaviors are worst.
Yeah, that parent with the glasses. Really what she WANTS to say is, "I want to be my son's best friends, not his parent, so I haven't taught discipline and consequences." It's not her son's fault for the way he acts. It is completely her and her husband's fault. 100%.
What it sounds like is that teachers need to be given the trust to teach and manage their classroom, as what works for one classroom or even one student won’t work for another.
Bingo
I only came for the comments because surely nothing was said there.
The disagreement they had with the first gentleman is part of the problem. Consequences is caring. The “old ways” so-called is STILL relevant if you want a school to maintain a learning environment that is safe and productive.
Also school choice is paramount. Giving parents a choice in where they want their child to learn is extremely important. Not every student will succeed in certain learning environments.
The language some of these teachers are using seems to further cultivate the behavioral issues. They want to implement an approach that requires more adults to be present, but because of the shortage of adults (bodies) it creates more problems as other students that are there to learn often have to deal with the teachers trying to help other students self-regulate sacrificing their time to teach curriculum.
They are, in essence, creating some of the issues we’re seeing by the mindset they’re communicating.
"What trauma do they have now that they did not have in years past?" is a good question. Why are our kids so violent and out of control today?
I’m glad someone in the comments mentioned this! If this was filmed in 2019, and he asked what challenges are new from 10 years ago, that would be 2009… my first thought was social media and smart phones. Not a hot take, but pretty obvious. Instagram and Snapchat got big between 2009 and 2019. Tiktok got popular in 2020. and I’m positive things have only gotten worse from 2019 to now 😞
Leave it to a conservative lawmaker to speak up and say outright that parents need to be held accountable to be a part of the solution.
This started when children started having equal rights to adults. Sure...they have rights. But they don’t have the right to disrespect adults. Teachers were respected when I was young and I would’ve never ever thought to scream, yell, use profanity or physical violence at home or school! When I was young, life didn’t centre around ‘my feelings’ ...me me me. I had consequences! These children are out of control...no one is allowed to take control, so they’re becoming completely out of control. One other point....one of these teachers is going on about ‘care’! Teaching is not psychotherapy! Sure! Care! But you’re not a therapist or day care centre. Also, I’ll bet social media, violent video games and food loaded with sugar is playing a huge part. Parents have to work, single mothers have no help....many living in poverty so there’s less supervision with social media/video games being their primary care givers.
You have some great points and I agree with you!
I don't have kids so I'm far from a child expert but I knew no children needs consequences. We're not doing any favors by not giving them consequences
I agree , when children started sueing there parents we were done .
@@kennethmeeker6369 *Casually ignores* sometimes people sue their parents because their parents are abusive but not abusive enough to lose their rights.
If your children hate you, it's on you. You're the grownup. If your adult child hates you, it's on you. You were the grownup when they were a child. Whatever you have done to make your own kid hate you, it is 100% on you. Children love their parents. If they stopped, it's because of multiple betrayals over multiple timelines.
@@rodneymills6477 not abusive enough to lose there rights sounds like the whooped your ass like it should have been if you didn’t mind them lol
So your telling me a kid can flip an entire classroom upside down, yell, scream, kick and get in the teachers face and come right back into that room 10-15min later?. GTFO that shit should get you expelled first offense!
Back in the 1980's, we used to stand up, and greeted the teachers "Good morning, Sir/Madam", every morning when the teacher enters the classrooms. The students still do this in Asian countries, India, Japan and many more countries.
Stop letting kids zone out on screens and start disciplining kids. Stop indulging them and teach long-term gratification. Yes, reinstate consequences in schools!
Yes please! Referrals right away. No more spoiling them with "pet talks" (as they are called), with go to the class next door, etc.
"...zone out on screens..." Where do you get your data that they're "zoning out." Are you aware that kids are learning basic technical skills when working with computers? It's what they do now.
"...start disciplining kids..." Check out the local, state, and federal regulations in place in your area about what teachers are allowed to do and are restrained from doing to control their classrooms. How do you suggest a teacher "discipline" a kid who's just destroyed a classroom, scared, and maybe attacked, other students, and possibly physically attacked the teacher? I'm sure teachers would appreciate your input.
I've not been in the school since the 80s I don't have any kids but I'm watch some of these teacher talks and former teachers talking. There really needs to be consequences in schools for these kids. That doesn't mean ok hitting them but you got to do something to them. People learn from their consequences and how you handle failure shows Who You Are. About 10 years ago I went to a mental health Workshop in the presenter talked about how parents are creating narcissist. Do everything for for their kids and don't let them face the consequences of their behavior
@@StopWhining491 we’re talking about changing the laws that’s the entire point! Physically remove these children from the room! Put them in time out! If an adult like this in public they are physically removed the premise! You are not allowed to throw violent fits in Walmart if you’re upset. If you do not get removed the police are called, and if you are a threat of violence to police and the public they detain you and remove you with force. Some of these children will grow up being dealt with so gently, and will be hurt in real life when they try this shit in real life situations.
It seems to me that we are transferring the "parenting" away from the parents to the school. Teachers are not trained to do this parenting on the massive scale of a classroom, regardless of how experienced a "real" parent of one, two or three children that they are. This is social engineering on a massive scale. $ 2 billion is not even close to being enough. It would be simpler and cheaper to ensure that families can survive on a single paycheck thus ensure that the primary caregiver of the child is the parent not a teacher.
Guarantee, they'll start pushing boarding kids at the schools and keep them all week as a solution. Total control.
the feminists don't like this though, women don't like this. Women do not want monogamy.
It would be great to have more parent volunteers in the schools but not simply as facilitators of what the schools want.
It’s not parenting it’s teaching and they have no clue how to do it
Exactly, The schools are attempting to do what is impossible.Like Increasing the height of each students by an extra two inches.
Mike has excellent insight into the need for consequences!
Yep and that black teacher snapped at him…..
We are supposed to the Zones of Regulations at our school. Yeah right! It doesn't work! And last time I checked, I'm a teacher. I'm not a counselor who is supposed to teach emotional regulation. Until state and local administration begins to take action, nothing will change except a loss of educators.
I sit through this whole video and really haven't heard much of a solution to the problem.im hearing counceling,,diversity in teachers,heard kids need accountability but non for the parents of these kids.why am I not surprised.
Isn’t that life anyway? You are continually cracking the code to everything and it isn’t really solving anything.
Then you weren't paying attention.
Jodie tell us how they are going to instantly start teaching the children that are complying with the rules? This was a bunch of mumbo jumbo about how we are going to fix a bunch of misbehaving YAHOOOOS But it was not about teaching without disruptions or about calming a classroom down after the disruption occurs.
Commonconservative she was talking to me she thinks that I don’t pay attention. Cracking a code I have to break the assignment into pieces to accomplish it. No wonder I don’t learn anything from the assignment other than failure but that life.
Jodie only heard what she wanted to hear, she wanted to hear about the poor messed up kids , not the rest of the classroom which is what this is about . They need a quiet classroom and that should be the first priority. Dealing with the incorrigible is a whole other matter that they are failing in the extreme.
Growing up, I had fear of God and Mother/Father to keep me in line. These kids have neither.
Joe Rasiah hi joe...I grew up thirty years after the 1960s but somehow we had the same upbringing. I hope I can find peers who will raise their kids right! Was it Gen x that dropped the ball I wonder? What happened since the late 1990s? It seems baby boomers were ok with their kids being disciplined but not the generation after?
@@mermaidsexist4339 Without saying there bracket . Sounds like prison life , beyond out of control ! Blood testing , every body stressed out .
@@mermaidsexist4339 agree. I went to school in the united kingdom in the 1980's and the system was notoriously strict. Now it isn't. Now it's more like the American system: Overly empathetic. Now, not all communities need more discipline, but not all need more and more empathy.
The only respect is fear.
Olivia Keister If you read the person’s above statement you’ll see this is recent for American schools as well. Depending on the state children could/can still get paddled, I’m not saying that’s good or bad, but it’s definitely not any hippie dippie empathetic approach either. It varies from state to state, but even in the 90’s to even early 2000’s (when I subbed) kids acting out in this way was pretty uncommon.
I didn't know kindergarten was so academic based. It should be focused on social skills so they're ready for a school environment
Of course. It is not reasonable to expect children to be able to read until they are in about the third grade. I think that is the standard in Denmark.
It's all about academic competition and helping children "get ahead" sooner rather than later. I am a tutor and sometimes get requests from parents asking me to help their children get ready for PRESCHOOL by learning how to read and do math! It's beyond crazy! Of course, children's brains are not ready for academic rigor when they are so young. But that doesn't stop the wacko parents and school administrations from demanding that the teachers teach and the students learn certain things early on.
I teach preschool and when the mom talks about her son's anxiety in kindergarten I think, yes, in kindergarten children are expected to sit for long periods of times, they are being tested and expected to know things that they may not be developmentally ready for. Early childhood education goes through 3rd grade. This means that children are learning at different levels and at different rates. So much of preschool and kindergarten is about social/emotional development. Children need to learn how to talk to each other, problem solve, how to use their words, how to take off and put on the coats, how to use their imagination and creativity and how to express their emotions in a healthy way. We can't expect 3, 4 and 5 year old children to focus only on academics that are too high for many as well as not allowing for rest and play. Yes, children learn so much through play. In the state I teach in, I see the problems I deal with coming from the state itself and upper administration. We have people in power who have no experience in teaching in a classroom and yet they are making decisions that affect teachers, students and families.
Yeah I always thought upper administrators should be required to actually teach for a set number of years before they can supervise others.
One of my memories of kindergarten and first grade was kids literally pooping their pants! I didn’t bother to learn to read until I was eight years old and my parents enrolled me in a book club. By the fifth grade I was out scoring everyone else on the reading comprehension tests even though I refused to read the short stories in reading class, since I preferred reading novels and history books. This would anger my incompetent and bitchy teacher. I would laugh at her and think “what a bitch”.
Spare the rod spoil the child
@@amazonqueen5694 Yes, some daddies should be castrated but sometimes it is too late, an apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
@@victormalyar9200 right cause it's always the fathers fault 🙄 this is the culmination of fathers not being in the home.
Mothers and the state get money from the fathers being out of the home.
Teachers should not have to discipline your kids.
Compassion fatigue? My Lord schools must be awful. It sounds like a war zone.
Taxpayers cannot be saddled with all of this funding! Personally, I can't afford anymore taxes. I will not vote for more money for schools. Sorry. Parents, step up!
“We need more money!” These people honestly have no clue.
6:06 "I think we have all this great data that shows that social/emotional learning is really great."
Do you now? Really? Because so far it seems like it's working wonders...
6:12 "But we don't have the money and the funds, for me to have another teacher walk that student down to the sensory room"
Why do you need another teacher to escort a student, if this is such an issue, just have one or two non-teachers on escort duty that you can call on. You're saying you need two teachers in every classroom? Also, sensory room?... What the hell are you doing to these kids?
I've heard from one parent where the school tried to blame their home life on the kids behavior, but says the child never acted out at home because it wasn't tolerated. So the kid must have figured out they could get away with it at school and did so. Shocking. Are these teachers not telling parents how their child is behaving and the parents not exacting proper punishments after they get home from school?
Sounds like a bunch of double talk, but at the end the day it all comes down to one thing the teachers want... more money. Corporal punishment should have never been done away with. I got paddled at the principal's office and made to kneel in a corner for about 10 or so minutes... once... it never happened again. I don't resent being punished or became emotionally traumatized by it. Wake up people, disciple needs to be used when it's actually called for.
No child left behind did not raise the bottom it lowered the top , equal pay did not raise women's pay it lowered mens pay , give us more money .
No kidding. Every year school taxes keep increasing. Where is all this money going?
Ken Oconnell, don’t forget as Thomas Sowell pointed out, the workforce, since women in large numbers were added to it, essentially increases supply and prices (wages) go down as a consequence (or don’t keep up with inflation.
@@personnesenki4521 we don't seem to keep track of that. its a throw money at the problem and move on situation. it doesn't work.
I just watched this segment and honestly, it has gotten worse. I believe parents need to be held accountable as well as students. I always say, it begins at home and ends at home. I grew up in the late 60's and started school in 1970. Things were so much better than they are now. It's beyond asinine how students behave in school. I grew up respecting my teachers. RESPECT NEEDS TO BE TAUGHT!!!!!
"There's no emotions that are bad." That's absolute nonsense! Honestly, who comes up with this stuff?
By the way - thanks KGW for following up - rarely do I see a piece in the news and then a followup about what's being attempted to fix this issue.
These are the type of people that see rage as a good thing.
Most of these arguments are the problem in our schools... restorative circles and sensory rooms! What a joke. My grade schools had homless kids, poor kids, poorly behaved kids as well and we did not have these issues.
Sensory rooms are supposed to be for people with autism only.
They really are over thinking it. The idea that it’s wrong to raise children with discipline and the understanding that they need to respect adults is the problem.
Yeah I think they believe ALL kids with behaviour issues have trauma or are homeless. I work in a private school. My kids got phones, tablets, money and trips. They still punch each other AT the school. They are beyond UNGRATEFUL and Disrespectful. The parents are to blame. As we are in quarantine they are meeting they children and they don't like it. The parents need to take responsibility. No matter what, we teeacher are NOT their parents. We can love them, listen to them abd care but I thibk sometimes teacher project themselves Wayyy too much into their students. Sometimes hugs can't fix it all. It is sad but true
agreed. I grew up with many of the issues they are speaking to. Discipline taught me very important lessons growing up. When I was growing up, we experienced social isolation as the punishment for bad behavior. I'd say it worked well on me and my peers. I just learned about these room clears, and I don't remember seeing anything like that in school. That sounds very odd to me. When did that become a thing? I was in school in the 90's and every trouble maker would be removed from class vs. the other way around.
Getting the parents of these troubled kids to reinforce what they are learning at school would make a huge difference.
Some of these teachers have been so brainwashed....listening to them makes me sick....they are apart of the problem.
Yes, the African American teacher and the principal are reading from the text. This conversation went south once the principal and the African American teacher lead most of the conversation. They are enablers.
Just listening to them say things like “restorative circle” and “social and emotional learning” tells me all I need to know about these teachers’ training. Ed schools and the teachers’ unions have really done a number on education in America.
"Just throw more money at it. That will fix it...." please
Seriously! “More funding” was all that one lady had to say. For what? I don’t know, but more funding was her answer. When you don’t have a grasp of what’s needed, more funding won’t fix it. Look at the government.
@Gary Songer All the lawmakers on the panel were democrats!
They seemed to have forgotten about the taxpayer.
The who now?
What is so hard about just discipline? In the natural world, animals understand their world quickly through consequences. If something hurts them, they know not to do it again and to stay away from it. If they don’t hunt they don’t eat, If they don’t eat they starve. It won’t traumatize a child to be punished/disciplined.
The good students are being punished for the bad.
Here is a solution:
Proverbs 13:24
24 Whoever spares the rod hates his son,
but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.
There it is!
Well, I don't believe in God, but I'd definitely spank my kids if I had any.
Amen. No one should overdue it but I did discipline both of my sons. I am their father, not their friend. They are both excellent people now, thank God!
Yup.
If it's this bad in Oregon, I can't even imagine what kind of living hell California schools are like. Makes me glad I graduated from high school in the late eighties, and never had kids of my own.
I live and teach in California. It's pretty much like what you described.
Thank you Shelly - what about the children who want to be in school, who really want to learn and who understand behavior and social norms ?? It’s obvious what’s on the mind of these teachers - they are not running a rehab center - sad!!
Middle school: Stealing from me, vandalism (ripping sinks, soap dispensers, towel dispensers straight off the wall), cursing adults out, fights everyday, skipping class to have sex or smoke weed, outbursts, uncontrollable emotions, just to name a few