F1 in the 80’s was WILD
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- čas přidán 17. 09. 2023
- Lately I decided to go back and start watching some older F1 races from the archive. Every race is crazy. The speed, the danger, the glory. I decided to make a whole video about it.
We had Ayrton Senna, Nelson Piquet, Nigel Mansell, Alain Prost and more in what some people call the most competitive grid in Formula 1 history.
The cars were fast. Loud. Hard to control. Emotions were high.
While it may not be quite as dangerous or wild west as the 70's or earlier may have been, Formula 1 in the 80's was wild, nevertheless.
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I'm a brazilian 49 years old dude and I watched every single race from Kyalami in 83 till this day. Man, I miss the 80's races, and those old cars... I really miss the old F1.
Cool, I'm Brazilian too (49) and I started watching Fittipaldi's farewell and Piquet's rise in 1980, a decade of very high-level drivers.
Monaco every year has the race of legends either the old cars. Next year will go to one of those hopefully
I agree!!!
Also the 90s.
I miss the sound, the brutality, the artistic driving skills of guys like Stefan Bellof, Schumacher, Häkkinen, Rubino Baricchello, and especially Ayrton Senna, he is still my hero! Saw them race in Hockenheim.
Best wishes from germany to brazil
Jones, Lauda, Mansell, Fittipaldi, Piquet, Senna, Rosberg, Prost, Villenueve, Pironi, Patrese, Reutman, De Angelis, Berger, .......what a heavy list!
Not to forget Stefan Bellof, who many saw as a great talent and potential world champion.
Hell of a drivers. Those guys are the real F1 heroes. Today's F1 is safe, sterile and boring compared to the 80's.
@@florianmallok7770 yes!
His production value is so good for the amount of subscribers he has, you're doing great.
yes, Im here since he started almost. I see a bright future for the channel. keep it up Jonny :)
Definitely one of my instant favourite F1 channels, I reckon he's going to the moon if he keeps producing this quality of content
I'm only 2 mins into this video and I already agree.
I was expecting 100k+ not 9k. Such good quality
Excellent video and channel!
This was true for basically every motorsport, the 80s was some sorta of turning point where technology was advanced enough for horsepower monster and the sports where big enough to bring big money sponsorship but not advanced enough to be *safe*
Group C endurance, Group B rally, F1, etc
Group B rallying was too wild even for the standards of the '80s - Yes, that was actually a disaster waiting to happen, but Formula 1 might have had its Golden Era in that decade: cars became safe enough that after '82 no driver died or had his career cut short because of structural failure of the cockpit during crash, but still lots of skill and physical endurance were required to drive them (wrestling one thousand horsepowers sent just to the rear wheels throught a manual gearbox for two hours with no electronic aids whatsoever, apart from the earliest attempts by Lotus and Williams with 'intelligent' suspension being employed 'part-time' in '87, wasn't for the faint of hearth... or of any other kind of muscle).
Sad to have missed that age, to me it has a mythical status.
Yeh, similar to the group C endurance
They where simple engineering perfection and safe enough that most racing deaths stopped but they where still raw machines, u needed balls and hands to tame those beasts@@TenorCantusFirmus
Even touring cars were monsters with Group A. Sure, Supertouring brought downforce and therefore higher cornering speed, but they were pulling something like 300hp+ out of the BMW M3 and Merc 190E, 370hp+ out of turbo specials like the Ford RS500 and the Italian-series specific Alfa 75. Not quite the same as Group B, but these Group A cars were fundamentally road cars at their base whereas the rally cars were effectively prototypes.
Villeneuve's fatal accident had nothing to do with the cars being difficult to control as you allude to, it was an error of judgement that found two cars in the same place that caused the crash.
Yep, i remember it like it was yesterday, what a sad day, but the fact that formula 1 was so dangerous made those pilots like heroes.
Now we have the speed, the g force, but there is no soul in formula 1 anymore
Wrong. Even if the accident itself has not been caused by the car, the death of Villeneuve during this accident was caused by the lack of car safety. The ground effect throwed the car very high and the bad cockpit did not protect him. The same accident in today's cars would have resulted in Villeneuve saying "I'm OK".
@@johncenter4858 how the cockpit could have protect him? He was litterrally throwed away from the car mid air with all his seats. You probably remember a different crash.
@@johncenter4858 The accident was NOT caused by the car being difficult to control, the car was thrown up in the air from the wheels colliding with the car of Mass, ground effect had no bearing on the way the car flipped, many examples of cars going over in the same way are available. The safety of the car was very much to blame but that was not questioned in my comment.
@@marcotomiri3440 By keeping him in the cockpit
The 70s was the age of heroes in my opinion. In the 80s they knew they could be killed or seriously injured in a crash but in the 70s they knew they would be killed or seriously injured in a crash, they saw their friends die race after race and yet they still strapped themselves in and went out and gave it everything. That's heroism in my book, looking death in the face and carrying on regardless.
The 60s were the true era of heroes. Imagine crashing in a colorful bathtub on wheels, filled with fuel.
@@KitKitChanIsaac Ok, I'll go 50s. no seat belts on skinny tires. Anyone wanna go 30s?
this guy need way more subs his videos are so well put together and are fun to watch
I agree. He's intelligent, subtly funny, and does a great job.
As soon as he gets his facts in order, I agree
Great documentary about that era. I have been watching F1 since I was 8 years old and I’m now 55 and I can remember those days in the 80s. They were crazy and your documentary summed up perfectly. Thank you for a great watch
Nice video, I like to see new people get into F1. My first race I ever saw in person was the 1984 Detroit Grand Prix.... After that race I have been addicted to F1 ever since and I've seen every race or TV or in person since then.
Formula One is much more civilized now than it ever was in the 80s. I think modern cars need to shed a lot of their weight. I would love to see them back down to around 650kg.
I agree with the smaller cars being way more fun to watch. I feel it's impossible tho with today's safety standards and hybrid era requirements.
1950s: The Age of "Look, I own a car and I want to race it"
1960s: The Age of "Look, I own a car and I'm good enough to race it"
1970s: The Age of "Look, someone else owns a car and I'm good enough to race it"
1980s: The Age of "Someone else owns a FAST car and I'm good enough AND Crazy enough to Race It"
1990s: Age of "I'm good enough to race someone elses slightly less fast car, and be slightly crazy"
2000s: Age of "I'm going to drive these mostly safe, mostly fast cars because I'm good enough"
2010s: Age of "I'm a teenager and faster than most adults"
2020: Age of "I'm a fast teenager and honestly don't have to be too crazy to do this - just gotta be the best"
Your videos are so informative and I learned a lot about F1 by watching your videos. Thanks for your great work!
That's kinda what's missing from the modern races is that barely controlled chaos which is just dynamite but great video - you know your stuff!
I've been saying for years that all they need to do to make f1 more exciting is reduce the downforce and increase the power. Simple! ;)
Great video as always! Only thing I’d change though is how you pronounce Villeneuve as Villenerve, there’s no r there, it ends like the word “love”, so Villenove
And it's Did-ee-ay not Did-ee-er
Bravissimo bro, keep up the good work and spread the knowledge of this unique sport to the US audience. Kudos from Italy
Good vid. I'm 59 and was a young, avid F1 fan in the 80s. It was an amazing decade for F1 (and music btw). The TV coverage was sparse and no internet so we bought magazines that had splashy big colour pix and great journalism. BTW, pronunciation... phonetically... vill-nuve, did-yay, pall-ett-ee... among others.
This was our golden era boys
First video I've seen of yours, subscribed. You're bound to blow up if you keep making vids like this
Accidentally stumbled across your channel and I'm loving the content. New sub for sure
Great video of great era. Well done 👍
I absolute love the Lotus 98T.
I think thats the best looking car imo !
Yes! MP4/4 video please! Awesome job!! 😊
Awesome times, not the modern boring stuff
Agreed. Modern F1 is a shadow of its former self. And don't get me started on gimmicks such as DRS...
@@vittoriobollo3408 F1 has become trash since the last H-pattern car left the grid. Nowadays, these sim racers only have to shift using 2 stupid paddles. Where did the 3rd pedal go? Where did the gear stick go? Modern F1 is not the real F1 we know and love.
I would say the controversial 1994 season was the last year of the "heroic era. The post "heroic" era began actually with the death of Ayrton Senna and the first title of Schumacher. From this point on the FIA introduved so many new rules and safety devices to prevent further Tragedy.
so 😶😶 you wold be ok with more drivers dying ?
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Outstanding videos, sir! Thank you very very much
The accident of Villeneuve in '82 was also down to the fact that there was a back-marker in the way who suddenly changed course.
Well done mate!
The 80's was the golden Era of Motorsport F1 and Rallye a Like! ❤🎉😎
Jonny, understand that this was a time that the horrors of WW1, WW2, the Korean war and the Cold War were fresh in everyone's mind. Men believed that life was something to grab with both hands because another war could be around the corner, no pun intended. As such, there wasn't much interest in safety in motorsports or any sport, construction, automobiles, etc. Heck everyone smoked cigarettes even though it was well known to be dangerous. Over the last 30ish years so much interest, research, and government intervention has been centered around safety. Today's F1 cars are so heavy because to keep the drivers (relatively) safe demands a lot of built in safety features.
Well narrated Sir! Excellent vid as well. Good job. Oh,and thanks for not showing Villneuve's accident, it was terrible.
era of heroes is awesome definition
Nice video. Welcome to F1
Great vid, wanted to add a fun fact, 1986 has the worst reliabilty of any season, due to turbos not having restrictions yet and blowing up
Still more reliable than Ferrari's current pit crew
Very good video 💪💪
Great summary of Formula 1 in the 80s; you definitely hit the spot. At the same time, I think that it was precisely this wildness that gave the sport its flavor. I'm really sorry for all the lost boys, all those drivers who died during this era. Patrick Depailler, Elio De Angelis, Didier Pironi, et. al., where are you now? On the other hand, no one was forced at gunpoint to become an F1 driver. All participants sat in these speeding coffins of their own free will. Everybody knew exactly well that every time the lights turned green, they hung up their lives on a very thin thread. It is a strange parallel that the same untamed wildness reached its peak in rally racing in the 1980s with the appearance of Group B. I miss those times. It has been at least fifteen years now that I don't watch F1. I don't even care about the results. The drivers are all the same, and the cars are so stable that they look like they are running on railway tracks. Sweat and tears have gone. It's just too boring and staged. It became artificial...
My oldest friend who also works in the sport, got into f1 in 1986 and it's easy to see why. I regret that I didn't meet him until '89 and that he didn't really get me into f1 until 1994. What a year to join the sport.
Quick point of correction on pit stops for fuel. Wasn't so much the gas-guzzling as the weight savings I believe. I remember listening to Gordon Murray talk about it once, how he couldn't believe no one had run the math yet to understand the offset of lap times and pit stop time.
Look... I have to say something here. Gilles Villeneuve in the 126 C2 didn't slide because the cars were difficult to control. Villeneuve's skill was such that he was ready to take over Jochen Maas on the outside coming out of Terlamenbocht and ready to be on the inside on the following right hander. Maas didn't expect that, and "moved into the way". Wheels touched, and the Ferrari was launched. Paletti's crash was also simple; he was focused on his gauges because he didn't want to over-rev (at the start, there is so much noise around you that you forget what your engine is doing by the sound). So basically, he was looking down instead of looking ahead, and Pironi - karma caught up with him twice for each of the deaths he caused - would get his comeupance in Germany and later, racing speed boats, would be killed in 1987.
In seasons where a team is so clearly dominant like 2023, 2015-2020, etc. I find myself going back and watching seasons from 1978-1994. What a wild time in racing
Nice job. I was actually at that race in Long Beach. Keep up with the videos. Just watch the pronunciation on some of those names.
One thing they need back from the old days is to have more power than downforce, reducing the latter. Also having multiple choices of engines, although you'd need separate championships for each category just in case they aren't competitive.
Nice video. Just wanted to point out that the refuelling was done by Brabham initially as they realised out didn’t have to start with a full tank and lug 100s of litres around from the start. This also allowed them to use more boost and worry less about fuel but at the detriment of reliability.
Brabham build the never raced BT51 around that concept. It had a smaller tank, fuel inlets on both side and pneumatic inboard jacks. When ground effect were banned Murray decided to build the totally new concept BT52 over modifying the 51 to meet the regs.
The grid quality was something else during that era.
1985 had SEVEN (yes seven) past or future World Champions. Every single one could win the races. The competition was much more fierce than it is today.
Niki Lauda
Alain Prost
Keke Rosberg
Ayrton Senna
Alan Jones
Nelson Piquet
Nigel Mansell
Nice video. While you touch on it, the entry of Renault, then other manufacturers as engine suppliers marked the recognition of the sport as big business. If you look back to the 60s and 70s, there was surprisingly only Porsche that threw its hat in the F1 ring for a short while. Sure, you can count Lotus and Ferrari as manufacturers, and yes you can count Honda for a little bit as well, but it took Renault to open the floodgates of big time car manufacturers to use F1 as a marketing tool. The shocking thing is how long it took for the sport to shed its dangerous habits. There WAS a lot of resistance to safety and this is a decade AFTER Jackie Stewart first brought the issue forward. It's not just that the cars had become so much faster than their 1970's counterparts, it was that they were racing on the same tracks... hence ridiculous 'solutions' like the catch fencing you see in some of the clips. It's really a miracle more drivers didn't die.
At the 80's there was a rule that the car only needed to cross the line at the end to get the points, no matter how they do it. So it was kind of common to watch drivers with no more gasoline or mechanical problems stop the car and push them to the finish line. There's also a race that Mansell was doing it with his lotus, and then fainted due to the heat and exhaustion, all that while the race was just happening
Another crazy element of ‘80’s F1 was the number of cars that would try to qualify for the races, 25 or more. Anyone could build a car. Almost every race had more cars than starting positions, prequalifying would start on Thursday and Friday.
Actually the most powerful Turbo/ground effect cars was the 82 Ferrari 126C2 with just over 600 HP, the cars gained 150-200 Hp every season until they were boost and fuel restricted starting in 1986. I started watching the sport in late 1977, the late 70's to early 90 was the greatest era of engineering expansion in all arenas of motor sport. To think that power level almost tripled in F1 and WRC in less that a decade is wild, and will never happen again.
Turbos were banned at the end of the 88 season (The first F1 race I ever watched was the last turbo car race in 88) but Williams didn't start using active suspension until 1992. Was there testing in the late 80s?
You do a very nice job on these documentaries and yes, at least 1, maybe two videos on the McLaren MP4/4. It has to be one of the most iconic F1 cars ever.
Williams first tried active suspension at the Italian GP in 1987. It was only on one car, can't remember which. There were no limits on testing in those days.
More 80s F1 videos please.
There's a really good 2 hour documentary from 1986 showing the process of ford developing their first V6 turbo engine for the Hass-Beatrice/Ford team (Carl not Gene).
Hey what editing software do you use and how do you keep such good quality with using such a different array of clips?
For example I made a video that used a mix of like 360p and 1080p but when I put them together on premiere pro, it all came out in bad quality? Please let me know
1980's F1 were banger, just like the peoples back then
"hocking heim" 😂
Pit stops used to be so much better before speed limits. Thrilling to watch a car at full bore slamming on the brakes and the short wearing pit crews servicing the cars. Dont recall ever seeing an incident in the pits in F1, Saw them in nascar and indy and once those guys chickened out and installed speed limits so did F1.
That first Renault had the nickname “Yellow Teapot”
the 1980s were good times in more ways than one compared to now. i was a child but i still remember the vibe.
Safety cars were introduced into F1 in 1973, I believe it was the canadian grand prix that first used it, it just wasn't deemed necessary to bunch the pack up like American racing every time someone cocked up.
The 80s saw the last of the insanity that was early F1. By the 90s, things were getting under control and drivers weren't dying as often and crewmen didn't have to fear for their lives as much. (The craziest thing is seeing crews perform pit stops bareheaded and in shorts and tees, with other race cars zipping by just meters away at very fast speeds!)
I cant believe people moved Piquet's Brabham while cars are running round track. Today it would be pace car tell track is clear of service vehicles.
there was one single crash in the 80's that you could see what could happen, the only footage is just a fireball in the back, Ghinzani struck his car in the pit wall while loaded with fuel, if you search you'll see a pic of only the cockpit filled with foam. Amazingly he escaped without major injuries
Great video, dude. Also, a lovely reminder of how adorable Americans are when they try and pronounce European names. Patrick De-piler might be my favourite attempt ever 😂
Pit lane limits. That's the thing. I don't know why, but as somebody who first started watching F1 in the 80s, I find that's STILL the thing that looks odd. Well, that and halos, obviously, but even then - as far as the overall feel of the racing is concerned - somehow that's still the thing that makes me think "Oh, yeah of course. Pit stops (and pit crews) are restricted nowadays. Remember when...?"
Three F1 drivers died in F1 races, quali or tests during this era. Its a miracle that it wasnt much more.
5:38 *dep-ah-yay not depayler
Also the age of the fan. No pit passes anymore, to get into the pits at a race weekend now you either have to be very rich or a celebrity. To think in 1985 myself & my father helped lift the front of Alain Prost's McLaren so the team could take the transit wheels off, that would never happen now in F1. Now F1 is sponsored by Rolex that well known watch of the people. F1 cars today are big &bulky, the racing is mostly poor, there are few to no characters, you can't defend and the two most common things said are "tyres or tires for the Americans" and "DRS". If I could drive any F1 car it would be the Lotus 98T in Qualifying trim with 1,200+ BHP under my right foot & all the dangers that go with it.
Pleaseeeeeeeee do a video about the sf 23!!!
Most outstanding
This video doesn’t just say how wild the 89s were in F1 but in everything OHSA in the 80s was wild.
Honestly, the 80's weren't so exciting in F1. Started watching in 1981.
some of the biggest snoozers I've watched were replays from the 80s and early 90s
Shocker, F1 has always been boring. But hey, can't help but love that sport.
At its hight you have a highly tuned engine for qualification that would just last about 10 laps till it died. Then another fitted for the race. This was normal for the top teams.
70s were even wilder
Lot of footage from the 1990s here. Also I could be wrong but I don't ever remember turbos being mandatory
im pretty sure it was the end of 1987 but i could be wrong
The pit lane shenanigans were absolutely bat shit. Lol....t-shirts, cigs a blazin', no type of safety for the crews, high speeds on pit lane....just accidents waiting to happen
I'm not sure turbo cars were really the drawcard for F1, despite how powerful they were. In retrospect many of the races were fairly dull compared to modern races, though arguably the 1980s/1990s cars were more exciting to watch. They slid around more and were quite twitchy. Modern F1 cars are really too stable, partly because of aerodynamic improvements over the years but also because the technical regulations kept moving in that direction. Modern F1 cars are also the longest they've ever been, which is good for engineering but takes away from the spectacle.
Anyway, the 1980s was really the first decade of Formula One having reasonable TV coverage in a lot of countries. For example here in Australia, full grands prix (albeit delayed broadcasts, with commercial breaks) weren't shown until 1981, probably not coincidentally a year after fellow Australian Alan Jones won the world championship. Years later Alan himself would co-host the coverage here.
No doubt Bernie Ecclestone had a lot to do with the expansion of F1's television coverage.
But none of this was possible without the introduction of satellite TV transmission technology, which really came into its own in the 1980s.
Also, by the early 1980s most households had a colour TV.
The bigger audience gave the F1 teams' sponsors (and also trackside advertising) massively increased coverage, vastly increasing the amount of money available to the sport.
It was also the most exciting decade of F1.
Not entirely accurate:
1. The Turbo Era BMWs made well over 1,000hp… In qualifying trim. In race trim they made much less. (Yes, they had “qualifying engines”.)
2. Ground effects were banned because they’re an all-or-nothing thing. I’m way too high to explain it right now.
The golden age of motorsport
The age of hero's was modern tech meeting backwards thinking on safety. I am shocked we didn't see more mayhem
Dude, if the 80's were wild, then that means the 60's were beyond insanity... The only cars as extreme in danger were WRC's The Killer B's of the 80's.
The reason why F1 doesn't use skirts to seal the underfloor is because of the 80s. Drivers would often hit curbs, go into high speed corners, have no downforce and glide off the road.
iirc it was actually bumps in the road that was the real danger or even just taking some camber that'd break the seal of the skirts
@@unfortunately_fortunate2000 That's what I'm saying. They would also have porpoising into high speed corners and the car would bottom out on some of the curbs.
The point missed by the "if he dies who cares spouters" is if it wasnt dangerous it wouldn't be the spectacle that it undoubtedly was.
I dont watch the current processional parade that is formula one today because it is boring and quite honestly doesn't look like something i couldnt/wouldn't do myself.
part of the reason why F1's turbo charged engines were so expensive early on was developing an engine that could detonate fuel reliably at the pressures they wanted, eventually teams settled on using toluene, a particularly risky fuel in large part due to its health effects, in order to have the engines "reliably" hang around 8-900 bhp for the race as well as being cranked up to their 1100+ bhp qualifying configuration it was the fuel that gave them the most performance but came with some interesting design challenges to overcome.
also for whatever it is worth, people today look back at the 80s and early 90s with rose tinted glasses and say dumb shit like "I wish they'd get rid of the pit lane speed limits" or "having the pitlane be its own race seems awesome" while entirely ignoring the fact that everyone else who was there, from the mechanics to the drivers, absolutely fuckin hated it, I believe it was Brundle who said it was always the most dreaded and terrifying part of any race weekend.
it is actually astonishing that more people didn't die especially at the start of the 90s when over-body aero was really starting to take off and the cars had to be incredibly stiff to extract the most aero performance, Senna's crash at Mexico in 1992 was in a car that would have been considered to be pretty loosely sprung and nearly took him out after hitting a bump at just the right angle to send him flying into a tyre barrier, a rather ominous warning that went entirely ignored.
Wasnt it Williams who first developed active suspension?
Just for future reference, Depailler is pronounced Dep-eye-ay
"Villanerve" was pretty funny to hear as a Canadian too
Awesome work! Are you in Ohio?
yes please to a mp44 video
Bro, they used to refuel in the 50's.
2020s F1 is MILD...
“F1 is the 80s was wild”
Yeah, I know.
What do you have to do in order to watch full F1 races from the past? F1 management shuts them down almost as fast as they're uploaded. At least Indycar doesn't do this. Is F1 afraid of comparisons to the present product?
80's were wild in the 80's
2:23 and 5:55 - who's crash was that?
The first one was Philippe Alliot in practice for the 1988 Mexican GP. For all the talk in the video and the comment section about "no one caring about safety," that's non-sense. Many improvements had been made over the twenty years leading to the Alliot wreck. Not only did he survive, but they raced the car the next day. Yes, the same car! Of course, it was basically just the tub, they had to replace everything else. The second wreck was insane! That was from the 1982 French GP. Mauro Baldi made contact with Jochen Mass at the end of the Mistral straight. Yes, Mass' car did end up in the stands, but I believe any injuries to the spectators were minimal. Here is a great clip of that: czcams.com/video/1l9YgOu_7rA/video.html
Unless you experience the pits an the track speeds who could say that looked fast or close it was the wild west racing f1 is only a scratch in the bucket when it comes to the crazy things that happened rally ppl used to stand on the track to see the cars isle of mann the roads arent wide enough for a car an motor bike race there at 300kmh sure some die but wjere can you go in the world an race an unlimited speed course
We were MEN and we had TESTOSTERONE ON NORMAL LEVELS! Hahahaa my first F1 race was in 1984. I miss those years.
0m11s "turbo powered Brabham" It was not turbo powered, Ford DFV in that race
The availability of international satellite and cable TV fueled corporate interest. My first major race was an IMSA 1985 so I got a taste of the era but will forever regret never seeing F1 or the Indy 500 in the same era. czcams.com/video/CuM0CsB3lYw/video.html
To fast drive in pit lanes f1 80s was the best good drivers and circiuts
Senna set a fast lap during a race by driving through the pits at full throttle.
The 80ies was real racing because they didn't use electrical gadgets. There was a reason why we had F1 , Group B , Group C and 500cc GP bikes and that was to take it to the limit. F1 now is garbage because the best car wins regardless the pilot. FYI, Villeneuve was a hot shoot pilot that had it coming and was not a car issue.
Championships in 80's:
Piquet 3
Prost 3
Jones 1
Rosberg 1
Lauda 1
Senna 1
In the 70's and 80's the driver had seen driver die on the trace they had dinner with the night before. If you see a dabble waved yellow flag you would slow (Incident ahead, marshals my be on the trece, be prepared to slow or stop) and did. Now the they walk away from impact that would have kill them 50 years before.
Could they not get the drivers today to slow for a yellow flag, Today you MUST show your speed drop going past a yellow flag or you get penalised. Under Virtual Safety Car you have a track speeds you can not go over or under, so everyone is at the maximum, or "i'm loosing time to the man Infront / behind". Can the drivers (best in the world) not be trusted to do what's suitable for the situation ?
Today what ever has happened to a stopped car not behind the arcover, It is a Full Safety Car.
I'm not against safety but i find it's about bunching the pack up again than safety.
No more lapping everyone up to 3rd place in a race. No more 45 seconds plus leads.