Limp Home! 2018 Ford F150 Diesel takes on the World's Toughest Towing Test
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- UPDATE: We heard back from Ford with an update to the issue we encountered. The truck you see here is a pre-production unit. Ford inspected the truck, identified the calibration issue, and said the calibration will be fixed when first production trucks start shipping to dealers within the next several weeks (end of May or in June 2018). When asked, Ford did not provide specifics of the calibration issue. However, the company said that all customer trucks will have this issue corrected.
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I appreciate the fact you went ahead and published the video even though there was a fault with the truck, rather than re-shoot later on once you got a clean run.
they published a similar experience with the 2017 f250 gas, when the truck broke down midway,
JJM Channel happened with every company when you have a newly manufactured idea. It will take time for ford to work out the kinks
There shouldnt be any kinks in a vehicle being produced from a billion dollar company with millions in testing and development.
truckguyjoe
that's called Hiding the truth maybe you've heard of that?? (Ford Owner )? Its also called real -world-Towing -experience NOT hollywood wait for the best camera angle ....
JJM Channel
yeah what are the odds it's always a ford that breaks LOL (not surprised) when you know the odds
Ford gave us an update, that this is a pre-production truck, and this issue is fixed for production trucks. Thanks for watching! BTW: Which One Is Faster? 2018 Ford F150 vs F250 Diesel? Find out here: czcams.com/video/0o9VAvz_59s/video.html
The Fast Lane Truck will you be doing another vid explain the limp mode issue or just a comment ? very interested why and super surprised it was aloud to rev so high ;)
I would like to see an Ecodiesel vs 3.0 powerstroke matchup comparing real world towing, 0-60, and mpg!
yeah cause the powerstroke Ram matchup proved the Ford Did NOT have more HP & TQ as advertised (Not surprised )
Seems grade shifting isn't programmed correctly. I bet engine went into limp mode for over rev protection.
Anything on why the transmission went into limp mode
This video is the reason why is not a good idea buy a first year production vehicles , engine or transmission.
My thoughts exactly!
i saw it as just another reason to stay away from ford period
This diesel has been used by Land rover and Jag in Europe for a few years.
Mozeby Ford and LandRover designed this diesel engine in a joint venture and the 10 speed transmission was a joint venture with Ford and GM, I believe. The Power Stroke team used some of the innovations with the 6.7 and retrofit them on the 3.0. It will definitely take a year or two to work the kinks out and hopefully add an exhaust brake.
Mozeby Land Rover a company that takes money away from rich old folk, jag a luxury car manufacturer both are not so great at making cars
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.... I love these guys and this channel because they are real. Even though the truck had issues they showed us how it performed.... Most reviews wouldn’t show you that. I’m a ford guy and would recommend giving their diesel a year or two to massage out the kinks before buying one.... Anyway, thanks for more great content TFL!
New LP5 isn't having problems and it's new? GM>Ford!
just google LP5 Engine problems, then we can talk lol...
www.duramaxforum.com/forum/2017-l5p-duramax-powertrain/886882-l5p-problems-2.html
This engine has been around in the range rover for a while now
For the most part. They had to modify it quite a bit and also, the range rover isn't quite as extreme of an application as a half ton pickup is.
Nice to see that once the truck goes into "limp" mode it just basically starts to free wheel down the hill and let you burn up the brakes. Great safety feature.
Haha that's no shit
Same as Chevy and dodge.
From my experience, the f150 brakes don't need to be babied at any legal weight.
shiznit93274 that comes standard with Ford now.😂
You gentlemen provide some very informative reviews and in my opinion have the best truck channel. Thank you.
Yikes. Brutal showing for Ford. Kudos to TFL for honest reviews!! Wonder what Ford will do to attempt to save face...🤔
NWI save face? It happens with every company when something new is introduced. Has happened to Chevy plenty as well.
ACM Incision: No it has NOT happen to GM trucks tested by TFL.
rlhmarines This is the second Ford that got a no qual on the Ike Gauntlet...
NWI Another recall for the transmissions with diesel engines.
They'll do nothing as they've always done. Ford doesn't give a shit about fixing all the stuff wrong with their vehicles, once they get you on the lot and sitting in the office and their hands in your wallet they don't give a damn just like all other automakers, once they get your money they don't give a damn if your vehicle blows up at the first stop light, they already have your money..
Good to know. Thanks guys!
I love the Ike gauntlet tests! I’m surprised the engine went into limp mode. You’d figure Ford did lots of testing on this engine. ... I know nobody will pay msrp but $68k for a Lariat? Come on man. I’d rather get a Raptor for that price. Anyway, TFL does the best truck tests on Earth! 👍🇺🇸🎉
Stephen Y I wouldn't pay that for a King Ranch
Stephen Y they made it sound like it was more so the transmission that went into limp mode, since it shifted to and got stuck in 9th gear. And I think the problem is just how it is tuned. I'd be curious as to what the transmission temp was during the test.
Stephen Y you can go get a fully loaded 2019 Ram 1500 Limited for $70k, so yeah $68k for a Lariat is absurd.
P Htwr agreed.
Drew w you are right. It seems like the transmission. I should have said powertrain or transmission. You can see the gauge during limp mode and the transmission temp seems ok. Perhaps it’s a software issue.
Five star review as always thanks guys
You guys flow so well together and know what there talking about and are very entertaining love you guys keep it up
One of the best videos I’ve seen from TFL..!!
These are the kind of stuff helps manufacturers to correct their problems and produce quality vehicles.
I also remember the Honda Ridgeline video where the transmission overheated and couldn’t complete the trail.
I really want people to see these type of videos not as criticism but as opportunity.
Great work TFL..!!!
I had a 2014 f150 with the eco boost, 3.31 gears. Got 17 mpg empty, when pulling my 21 ft 3100# camper on flat ground i was getting between 6-8 mpg. Was going to wait and see about this new diesel, but not now! Not impressed at all.
Go tfl!!!! You guys rock!!!!!
90% of people on here don’t seem to understand the difference between 3mpg and 5mpg.It doesn’t sound like much but it’s a huge fuel savings over just 100miles. 33gallons used vs 20gallons used. For people that actually tow allot that is a massive fuel savings.
Alex thats the key phrase though “for people that tow a lot” most of these people including myself don’t truly tow a lot.
Andrew Ochoa its still important to realize the benefits of the diesel fuel economy, especially when towing.
90% of people aren't towing 90% of the time. You still have a point though.
This is true, and same holds true for 18 vs 25 MPG. To compare to a car the difference is between 35 MPG and 50 MPG in a car. The Key question though is , WILL it get the rated MPG unlike the rest of their engines. Remember the 47/47/47 that Ford had to walk back and send checks out to every person who bought the FFH?
That’s only going uphill. I would gladly trade the 2mpg over a 8 mile grade for being able to keep the truck going the speed limit, instead of 45 mph. Your not gonna tow 100 miles up hill.
Great video guys!!! I watched a lot of your videos for every half ton you tested before buying my '18 3.5L F-150. About a month after I bought my truck the news broke about the new diesel F-150 and I wandered if I had made a mistake. At this point, I am glad I bought what I did when I did.
Best real-life truck reviews on CZcams. Great work guys
well this diesel is officially off my list!
A pre-production truck has an issue and you write it off entirely? That is a special kind of stupid.
*2018 Ford F-150 Powerstroke vs. 2018 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel: comparing the specs*
We take a quick look at the numbers on these two torquey trucks.
Jan 2018
www.autoblog.com/2018/01/08/ford-f150-powerstroke-vs-2018-ram-1500-diesel-specs/
I'm done with diesel engines in pick ups. EPA has killed the diesel.
Big safety issue. You guys actually had a runaway situation. After the failure and the loss of engine braking, speed started to increase and was only being controlled by the brakes. If and when the friction brakes overheat and fade you have a true runaway and need to hit the gravel pit if one is available.
IMHO transmissions in a vehicle that tows should never lock out the lower gears EVER. Set bonging alarms, flashing dash lights, vibrating seats and steering wheels, but NEVER essentially force coasting in top gear (or neutral).
Interesting, glad you published it. Can't wait to see what Ford's answer to the issue was
the gauntlet test is no joke. i did that with a wrecked jeep on a trailer and it worked my 3.5 ecoboost to the core! good stuff and thanks for posting the video even with the dual downhill result of a limp mode, i've been seriously watching the diesel 150 and everything will play into my decision to keep my 2013 or move up to a 18-20 series 150.
Ford claims you can tow 12500 with a eco boost? That jeep should have been childs play!
i have the 3.31 rear end so i'm limited to about 9500 pounds, but i also had the entire truck bed full of tools, generator, etc etc etc to get that thing home. i was sitting on the bottom of the suspension the whole way. pretty sure I was over the GVWR of the truck. so it worked it real good!
Tempted to suggest that you add one of those OBD2 readers to your test vehicles and monitor engine oil temp/pressure and transmission temperature while leaving the readings you want like mpg on the dashboard. Pretty obvious nothing wrong with engine or transmission, so I suspect there is engine over rev protection system built into the programming for the engine and transmission.
still a problem it should shift before it overrevs
Lol the camera shot from the trailer to the truck reminds me of that GTA game.. Third person F150!! Lol
I bet you saved Ford a recall after discovering that calibration issue. Great video btw even with the faulty truck..
The fuel mileage was very impressive especially considering the unladen MPG is also leaps ahead of the gassers. It really adds up. Guessing a 2.5 year recoup of the additional upgraded diesel cost to start seeing savings plus the better towing experience in general the whole time.
Kudos TFL for the second run where you confirmed an issue because sometimes it's a one-off. Not that this kills my thoughts of getting one of these units, but it's good to know and adds to my trust of your reviews. It's between the 2019 Eco-diesel RAM and this unit for me in about 10 months, so I imagine we will learn a lot more by then about the Ford mini-Power Stroke engines in the F-150.
Best engine option for Ford is and always will be the 5.0
Joe Lesko no kidding that 5.0
Is killer
Joe Lesko Amen to that brother the most reliable of all the Ford Truck engines.
Joe Lesko I'm not even a Ford fan but i agree, the 5.0 is definitely Ford's best engine.
Mr. Tbag yeah man, I’m a Dodge guy (don’t judge! Lol) but I’ve always liked and respected Ford’s 5.0..... I’d even buy one!
Mr. Tbag I’ll stick with my hemi for now 😉👍
Who cares about 2 mpg, its almost too slow to be safe and can't properly get down the hill. Swing and a miss with this motor.
skanetic that’s a great point
Not to say that this would be my number 1 choice for a half ton motor but consider that as mpg gets closer to zero each mpg you can gain becomes more significant. For instance, you say who cares about 2 mpg but another way to look at it is the powerstroke get 30-35% better fuel economy while towing then the ecoboost. If I was moving a trailer long distances I think a lot of people might be willing to sacrifice a bit of speed for 35% better fuel mileage
Fords and down hills are bad focus would try and blow itself up coming down hills on cruise had to not use cruise and brake alot
This motor has been used for years.....its actually a good engine.
So 5.4 mpg compared to a gas truck giving 3.5 mpg.
That is a 54% improvement in miles per gallon. Yes it is slower up that hill at maximum payload but how many owners will tow at max payload often up that extreme grade. Probably most owners will use these F150's just like a car, one person and unloaded not towing most of the time.
Those wanting to tow heavy trailers regularly will probably choose an F250 for a similar purchase price but heavier running costs.
Great job guys always honest reviews don't lose that. Hope we find out what happened to the truck and it not be a major problem for Ford. Hopefully easy fix
Great job guys. You saved the customers potential headache by discovering this fault before the trucks were released to the market.
You also saved Ford some money as well with regards to recalls.
Some sensor probably saw a fault, or the gauges on the dash were reading incorrectly as far as trans temp or engine temp. It's like Fords with their sensitive coolant level sensors. If the coolant level is even a millimeter off of where it should be, it throws the vehicle into limp mode. I had a friend of mine that had her 2013 Escape go into limp mode because of low coolant in the bottle after it was changed out, and after awhile the car pegged the temp gauge when it wasn't overheating and wouldn't allow her to move the vehicle in drive at all! Not sure this is safe, especially if something happens and you're in an undesirable location.
I ended up having to use my code scanner to reset the codes after putting in the proper amount of coolant. Same deal with this issue. Limp mode made the truck go no more than 7 mph on a highway?!? Not sure I find that safe. I know other vehicle makes where their 'limp mode' doesn't allow the vehicle to go above 55 mph. Too many sensors on vehicles these days.
So this is the second Ford to have issues while trying to tow the Ike?
I enjoy watching you 3 guys
Nice job on the review guys! The best! Its crazy how expensive these trucks are, I cant imagine paying 68k for a vehicle, thats a house in my eyes maybe not a over spectacular house but it is one.
Jonathan Washington I know I live in an absurdly over-priced market (California) but where the hell can you buy a house for $68k that's not a shack on the bayou?
Good test.... what was the tongue weight of the trailer that made the Ford squat 3"? and I think you guys nailed it when you all said it over revved the tranny.... no exhaust brake in my book is Ford (and these other manufacturers ) saying these are very light duty haulers....for $68K! might as well get a decently equipt 3/4 ton..
Well it's a Ford.....lol
Can't wait for the new Ram EcoDiesel. Great video guys
From this test I would choose the 3.5 EB. The reason is power. I will sacrifice a little mpg for power when I need it. I currently have an 18 platinum 3.5 eb and don't regret the purchase as I watch all of your testing. This channel is great and very fair.
Useful review! Dang it Ford! I wanted to like this truck!
best car and truck channel out there!
Ram Should thank Ford for making them look so good.
Love it !!!!!!! (Ram) Ford up its ass
Great review as always!
looking forward to wondering what the problem was!
Diesel RPM is typically limited by combustion dynamics, not rotating assembly. I'm not surprised to see it use more RPM under engine braking circumstances.
Cory Stansbury clear back in 01, the 6.6 Duramax had two lines on the factory tach. It fueled to 3250 (I think, been a while), but its redline on grade braking was 4500. No reason in my mind that this far newer, 3.0 engine shouldn't be able to handle this rpm.
ram ecodiesel is limited to 4800rpm
reliability looks terrible if that happens in a brand new truck imagine when it is 2 years old!!
Love your testing! You guys are making the trucks better by putting them through their paces! I was looking forward to seeing the new F150 diesel performance on the IKE, but after that “limp home” moment, I’m gonna wait for some more improvements in the next generation before considering replacing my current Ecoboost. Can you get some specs on a version with the 3.77 rear end?
Good job great key congratutions
The 2015 Ram ecodiesel did it on 9.03 and 6,1 m/gl. Just mention it 😉
You forgot to mention that it only had 7200lbs vs 9000lbs...
Jake Creech , It is true. Expects Ram to come back with an even better ecodiesel in 2020 in response to Ford's Power Stroke. And that we get even better trailer capacity than in the 2015 edition.
I'd like to see you guys get a special trailer that would be as aero as possible. A 10mph wind would make a big difference in a truck's ability to maintain 60mph and I'm sure the wind is always blowing, to different degrees, on the mountain. Just my opinion.
Ram ecodiesel has designer fault and every single one of them will go to sh..t its a time bomb so nobody cares how it did. Besides where is it now?
Ford is a 4wd 6.5 bed . Ram was a 2wd, Quad cab.
I'm so glad you guys didn't hide the fact that it broke down I don't care what manufacturer it is always stay truthful
Hey I have a 2017 F-150 Lariat with 3.5L Ecoboost with the 10 speed transmission and on a really cold day it did this to me and stayed in 7th gear till I decided to pull over shut the truck off and restart. Then all systems normal!? Love your show! Thank you!
LOL. Never thought Mr. Truck would be a Duran Duran fan.
In torque converters have to stay cool. The over speed on it. Told it the engine was in need of being serviced. It probable is just bad tuning. For could fix it next year. Or next month in the tuning. Still to many sensors.
Agreed 100%. Some sensor probably saw a fault, or the gauges on the dash were reading incorrectly. It's like Fords with their coolant level sensors. If the coolant level is even a millimeter off of where it should be, it throws the vehicle into limp mode. I had a friend of mine that had her 2013 Escape go into limp mode because of low coolant in the bottle after it was changed out, and after awhile the car pegged the temp gauge and wouldn't allow her to move the vehicle in drive at all! I ended up having to use my code scanner to reset the codes after putting in the proper amount of coolant. Same deal with this issue. Limp mode made the truck go no more than 7 mph on a highway?!? I know Chevy's 'limp mode' doesn't allow the vehicle to go above 55.
Destin - Diesel. TC would have been locked. No heat generated.
How do you know the torque converter wasn't locked? Torque converter produce no heat when locked and Ford can't be that stupid to allow the truck to engine brake with an unlocked torque converter.
Don Leamon. Yes and no. It was probable still slipping? The lock-up clutch can only hold a certain amount of over torque. Or over speed. And they said it was reving awkwardly. I think it could be slipping.
Destin - Diesel. I think it was locked because I had only 7k downgrade engine braking without locking my torque converter and my tranny jummped to 245 in only a few min and my 3/4 ton dodge has a larger radiator than this F150. I think limo mode was because of engine overspeed. It was at redline after all.
Really, Ford says to reduce your GCWR for altitude? Overall performance is disappointing - especially for $68000!
Thank you for saying the rear gear ratio.
I like these guys because they actually try the truck and work it hard that's nice to see because everyone else just spends 20min walking around it reading the window sticker..
It took approx. 1m40 sec's longer vs the other gas trucks..and got 2mpg better. Do the same test with the gas trucks at 9:40 sec's and see how much their mpg improves. I'm not impressed and I am more of a Ford guy. If the test would have come in around 8 minutes and 1.5-2.0 mpg better..than Ford would have something. For now I'll stick with my gas 1/2 tons and diesel heavyduty's for the heavy stuff.
Jeff Jassby Dragging anything up a steep hill is going to get shitty mileage. I was to see them do the 98 mile economy loop with and without a trailer and see how it stacks up against the Ecodiesel.
he has a point about the speed though. If you slow down the Gas trucks going up , the economy might equalize. Id be willing to bet real money the diesel does better flat land towing. But going up hill with a 10 speed transmission maybe the engine doesn't matter nearly as much if you equalize the speed going up the hill. But ill make another assumption. The gas motors all make their power at higher rpm and need leverage to maintain speed. if you slow down the gas trucks to match the diesel speed you have to assume it will drive in 1 or 2 gears lower making the RPM about the same as it was when going faster. So same RPM slower speed , longer time driving = worse fuel mileage at slower speed. This is just a SWAG.
A 2.9 mpg improvement from 2.5 mpg to 5.4 is a 116% improvement in fuel economy! That's the same as going from 25mpg to 54mpg in the same car. THAT is why all big rigs are diesels.
Dalton Michaels it might improve but won't double. Gasoline engines are awful at towing.
You left out the part where it vastly out performs the Ram Ecodiesel
You should stick to something you're good at cause this isn't it
I don't think this truck should get a second chance for the golden hitch. It broke during qualifying. End of story. Second Ford to break during testing.
Broke down not once, but TWICE, so I agree.
The transmission shut down because you were about to mechanically over rev the engine. Cutting fuel or spark will NOT stop this. It’s similar to downshifting a manual trans to slower gear on accident and overreving the engine.
I notice they have a dead pedal now, I have a 2012 and use the pillar by the hood latch as a dead pedal, I'm glad they did that
Only people I know that buy a redesigned vehicle or engine in the first year are just trying to impress someone.Give them a couple years to work out the bugs,every manufacturer has them.
@@ccs9271 it was never used to tow this hard ever and you know them land rovers dont see trailers
What's your opinion on how this compares to the Dodge Eco-Diesel models? Thanks
They are called Ram now, but it's a great question.
yep, I have one sitting in my driveway - old habits die hard
Ram is better
lol - well that's what I'm thinking and hoping, but I was curious as to how the TFL guys felt. I see a new Ike Gaunlet test coming: 2018-19 Ram. Ford and Chevy 1/2 ton diesel test comparison. Ford needs to fix the glitch these guys experienced when testing this model or I don't want one!
Looks like software (ecu) "feature/issue" if you were able to recreate that condition... Interesting what ford will tell you.
I got a 2018 ram 1500 Ed. Just returned a from a trip from Phoenix to Central California about 750 miles. Towing a wakeboard boat. Average 13.5mpg going like 75 expect when I got a ton of traffic in riverside. The truck towed amazing; passing people on the grapevine doing 70. Also going downhil didn't break once I had it at 60mph cruise control and the truck never went over 65mph. Didn't break once. I was beyond impressed with this truck.
I continue to be unimpressed by the new f150 powerstroke
Like he said it's not about putting up big numbers it's about efficiency. So no it won't look impressive until you start to look at efficiency. My TDI averages 45mpg highway in a ~3500lb car. That's without meeting EPA standards in a much lighter car. Performance wise (i.e. 0-60) the TDI is not doing much better either. All the small diesel trucks are meh but I'm glad they are doing them. The problem is they released it at a time when gas is cheap and the gasoline engines have made huge improvements. The thing is last time gas shot up they got caught with their pants around their ankles. Now they have a solution as gas is poised to spike. I definitely see these jumping in sales if that's the case. I think the second generations will look much better in terms of performance (and even first gens once modders start tuning them) with maybe little efficiency improvements. It's amazing that just a year ago it seemed like VW had killed the diesel car industry in the US for light duty and now it's back stronger than ever. So yeah it's unimpressive but at least it's there.
TT I seen another Ecoboost getting towed outside of Kamloops BC yesterday...
nullr1
you're kidding right?
It did 2mpg better than gas trucks while taking an extra minute and 40 seconds.
Why don't you slow down one of those gas trucks to where it takes the extra minute and 40 seconds this thing did, and see how the mpg skyrockets.
This is nothing but another crappy new age engine from Ford that they didn't bother to tune.
nullr1 Fuel efficiency is not using less fuel, it's maximizing work done with the fuel used. The gas trucks went up the hill much faster. If you were to slow down, your gas truck MPG would be closer to the diesel. This means the actual efficiency is closer than you think.
*2018 Ford F-150 Powerstroke vs. 2018 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel: comparing the specs*
We take a quick look at the numbers on these two torquey trucks.
Jan 2018
www.autoblog.com/2018/01/08/ford-f150-powerstroke-vs-2018-ram-1500-diesel-specs/
My employer owns 50+ ford trucks ranging from 250 to 450 (mostly diesel). 3 years ago we made the switch to GM and not only is the durability much better but there’s less man hours that are required for repairs (no cab being lifted off the frame.)
I’m not saying all ford trucks are junk and I know all manufacturers have issues but ford has a serious reliability issue. Most entities that make truck reviews don’t speak on this. Is there fear of being limited access to events and products if you speak on reliability? Anyone who doesn’t drive a ford will tell you that so why not TFL?
E P lmao I've started seeing more companies switch to GM trucks as well.
oh...probably 99% of US people are fools, because they are buying F series for getting into issues as per ur reasoning
Come on, GM too has more than enuf issues to be avoidable, so much as Ford does, Ford and GM both are equally unreliable, the reason I wud still pick a Ford over GM in truck world is because of torque, they are insane torque monsters , just needs about 3000-4000 rpm to do almost all kinds of job, makes one feel effortless
E P Ford does not have a serious reliability issue, that’s just from your experience. I have plenty of friends who had GM or Ram’s and they switched to something else because of issues. Brand loyalties develop based on which brand gave individual owners the least issues, NOT based on reliability for the entire brand.
FruitMonsta180 in this case though its not just a single truck its a decent sample size of trucks he’s talking. So there is more weight to it then a person who’d just worked with one.
FruitMonsta180 For what it's worth, this is the 2nd Ford to breakdown on TFL lol
Great job fellas
I think my 2004 f150 has a 3.73 rear-end, did they drop everything bigger than 3.55?
hopefully the 3.0L i6 Duramax do better next year. for the Silverado 1500
it wont be...if you want a reliable truck and know nothing, just buy the biggest gas motor available and the least number of options
stickloaf nice to see your opinion backed by evidence
stickloaf the I6 Duramax is an old Isuzu industrial engine...
Bruce Springsteen a good thing or bad?
Bruce Springsteen it is? Chevy is saying it is a new motor they built from the ground up? Were are you getting your info?
So far I haven’t seen anything appealing about this diesel that would make me buy it over the 3.5 or 5.0.
Valuable test! Are you going to do the 98 miles test loop with and without the trailer for mpg?
This is the second time I saw a Ford break down on you during a towing test. First the Super duty broke down and now this. Wow!!! Chevy and Dodge look more promising right now.
You boys are digging deep to find something good to say about this engine..... face it, it sucks
Breaks are made for a reason
@@subsnovideos-ot5du brakes
I don't think it's worth getting a diesel in a half ton it's too expensive too buy and maintain for just a little bit of fuel economy for a heavy duty it's a different story it's a clear difference when towing big loads.
Mitsubishi and Toyota have Diesel engines for their small pickups and they work great, it's just that American trucks are over engineered theese days. They want theese engines to be small, powerfull, quiet, efficient and cheap... Japanese Diesel engines are very noisy and produce much less HP, I don't know if it makes any difference but those engines sound like industrial machinery and lasts forever
I went from maybe 14 mpg average in my 2013 hemi to 22.5 lifetime average so far in my 2017 ecodiesel. Diesel is only .30 cents more a gallon. I bought mine with 12000 worth of rebates.
Eduardo Sánchez Idk about the tundra, but Tacoma doesn’t offer a diesel. Just the 2.7 i4 and 3.5V6
Eduardo Sánchez In America at least. Hilux might offer one. Idk
Eduardo Sánchez unfortunately over engineering is required to meet epa requirements for soot, fuel Econ, and Nox.
The aftertreatment is handled by a complex system that has to be extremely hot, and rarely works well in Stop/go environments. The system relies on egr, doc, dpf, scr, and an array of sensors. All of which can and will fail.
i'm assuming that the computer didn't like the constant near redline.
TFL do you guys think Chevrolet will put the 3.0L Straight 6 Duramax on the Tahoe or suburban?
Love the video and yet again Ford verifies my Ram purchase lol.
Everyone is so quick to talk crap about ram reliability but then agian it seems to me they do great at these tests and this is the 3rd ford truck to have a problem doing tests on this channel... Hmmmmm wierd i keep hearing fords the best.
camaro camaro ss ram makes the best pickup with the best interiors
Manpreet Singh i think so i owned them all and they are all good trucks these days but my ram to my suprise has been more reliable then my chevy and fords while having a nicer interior and ride/handling.
I can't agree more, ford seems to be having alot of problems lately.
camaro camaro ss the fords they tested were newly manufactured products. They just got developed. It’s happened with Chevy as well. You can’t blame a company for having difficulties with new ideas.
Okay sorta the f250 they tested that the radiator exploded going up the ike was a 6.2. Fords been making radiators for like 100 years now lol and the 6.2 for like 5 years.
How will you guys let us know when you hear back from ford?
Man glad I saw this! Was going to trade in the Sierra for this this weekend!
Gonna wait for the 3.0 durmax now!
Any update in the new eco diesel for ram?
Ford will ask you to take this video down. I remember another Ford actually braking down on another test you did. I believe it was the F250 gas version.
The engines fan blew apart and took out some other parts on the 6.2l F-250. A freak thing but I have noticed Fords quality (especially under the hood) has went down. Sourcing more and more parts from China. Putting more attention into worthless gadgets and other complicated crap than what actually matters. The powertrain and drivetrain.
As a former ford diesel owner i am not suprised at all. That little wrench light is the devil. I now have a 14' sierra with 120k trouble free miles
I'm curious to know what Ford's response will be re: Limp Mode
Curious that only fords have broken or had major issues on the Ike
First the f250 fail, and now this? I don’t know why people defend this brand.
Because they all have failures. My buddy just spent a couple grand deleting the cylinder deactivation in his GMC to prevent the lifter failure.
Brian Blalock show me 1 tfl truck video of a gm vehicle failing on camera.
Jimmy4x4 Socal I'm not talking about failing on camera. A fan belt on the 250 is a freak accident that could happen to anything. As for the limp mode on this truck is new for America although it's been available overseas, this is the first time it's been mated to the 10 speed. We don't know yet if it's an engine issue or a trans issue. If it's a trans issue it's a joint venture between Ford and GM so I'm sure both makers would like to look at.
couple grand to delete cylinder deactivation? all you needed was a 500$ tuner
7mph limp-mode is a tad too slow
Faster than my XDs' 5 mph limp mode!
They were holding the rpm right at the rev limiter going down hill. The pcm was probably starting to see the engine over rev so the pcm put it into limp mode. It’s a fail safe so the engine doesn’t grenade.
Hey, TFLTruck team, any chance this test is getting redone soon ?
Im a ford fan and this is dissapointing 😒
Anthony Hernandez At least the eco boost is a tow monster
It is, but I think t could just be a software bug.
Seems like the way it's written it's telling the trans to shift as high as possible, but these guys are making it hold that for a very extended period of time. Likely another code telling it to go into safe mode if it's at the redline for such a long time.
Might Just need to not be quite that aggressive for so long
Anthony Hernandez no shit same I slowly begging to switch to Chevy
I think the first one was fine.
Because even though companies hand-select vehicles to send out for reviews, to make sure(try to anyways) there are no problems and the vehicle is perfect... "Shit happens"
But now 2 times for the same reviewers in under 12 months? That's not a "it happens" that's a pattern.
I don't think TFL has had any brand new vehicles fail that weren't Fords.
Furthermore, people can't even go, "oh well the engine is new" Because it's not. this exact engine has existed overseas in this exact form for over a decade.
TheSkiingJeep - except it is new.... also the tranny is new. And this is not a production vehicle.. I wouldn’t call this failing the truck went back and completed the test? It simply went into limp mode..
Isn't this the 2nd Ford to break on the test. They need an award just for that.
Thank god the three of them made it out alive!
Any chance you guys could do the gauntlet with one of the 2011-2014 f150 6.2? Curious to see how it'd do.
Had that warning show up several times on my 2017 250 powerstroke. I'd then lose my cruise control and hill descent. Would have to stop the truck and restart it to clear the codes. The truck will be going down the road. Should have never bought a Ford. There will be a 2019 duramax dually sitting in the driveway this fall.
Jeff Vry Stop fooling yourself. Every brand has issues. Typical know nothing
Scott A thinking you got that backwards.... you know nothing. I've had numerous brand new vehicles...chevy/GMC and Dodge with very minimal issues. This new ford has been back to the dealership 6 times within 5 months and now have to go back again as the shift indicator will show downshifting to 4th, but still stuck in 6th. First brand new Ford I've purchased and will be the last. Know the whole story next time before you run your mouth!
Super disappointing with this diesel.. I’m a ford guy to the bone.. have two fords in my driveway with no problems.. but been wanting to go from my 7.3 to a newer truck and was super stoked for this diesel option. But looks like the coyote is the way to go still.
ill take that configuration in a 5.0 and when did you test the 1018 5.0? i see the old one
The ram ecodiesel you tested did 9 minuets and 3 seconds and 6.1 mpg witha a little lighter load.
still would buy a ford lol. this test is a tough test. 95% of people are not going to drive a mile above sea level and running it clear to the floor, so obviously the gas mileage is going to be better. I would say pulling a couple thousand lbs. i.e. mower, fishing boat. running about 65-70, is going to put it around 18ish mpg or more. which is pretty good. Ford didn't break down, it just had another issue, the vehicle at least protected it self, but it definitely needs to be addressed. It was able to drive still, so i dont get how that is ford breaking down. I think they should have made the motor tougher.
I think the titan XD is a better choice considering the price
Could it have something to do with the break in period for these engines?
You know, I’d like to know exactly what happened that caused it to go into limp home mode. Why it went into it and if it’s even a Powertrain fault or just a computer bug or the testers fault (Not to blame TFL but we all can make mistakes now and then)
It happens, could be any company. Give them a year or two as I'm sure it'll be fine. Great work fellas, thx for showing the ups and downs if real world testing. I learn more from the misadventures them the more scripted videos.
Dave Lusk Yeah, TFL has the best reviews, and this is Ford’s first attempt at a diesel F-150.
True, it does happen and it could be any company. But for the record, mishaps like this and failure have only happened to Ford. F-250 gas blow up and F-150 diesel limp mode
Stop being so dramatic because the F250 did not blow up.
CDP Didn't the radiator rupture or something?
no the radiator fan came appart
Unfortunately Ford has joined so many other companies where Beta testing is done by users.
You guys broke the f250 that time on the Ike also! Sounds like Ford needs to do more testing!
Would not be surprised if it is a programming issue, between the ABS, ABS pump and control module interaction with the automatic gearbox and engine management systems. Have had a Ford with similar issues, and when the communication breaks down, or not in expected parameters, this type of situation can happen.