2017 Ford F-150 EcoBoost 10-Speed vs Ram 1500 EcoDiesel 8-Speed Towing MPG Review
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- (www.cmtrailers.com) 2017 Ford F-150 EcoBoost 10-Speed vs Ram 1500 EcoDiesel 8-Speed Towing MPG Review. Also, can this 2017 F-150 10-Speed automatic be the fastest 0-60 MPH truck we ever tested?
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I just rented a 2017 Ford Expedition with the 3.5 Ecoboost. The SUV only had a 6 speed trans. I took the Expedition from South Florida to North Carolina. The best fuel mileage I got was 15.4 mpg doing the 70 mph speed limit. I was not impressed at all with the fuel economy of that vehicle.
scrimmy6969 I recently drove the ram 1500 without trailer got 30mpg on 250 mile 70moh driving
that is without cruise on the way back at 75mph on cruise I achieved 27mpg
Sartaj Aujla wow must be a hell of a truck, I barely managed that in a 2011 BMW 328i with only 230 horsepower.
actually its stupid to compare diesel against petrol. so I don't know what that test is for. or its just because that Diesel engines are more popular in Europe as in the US where petrol is more common. which I also don't know why :D petrol fuel has just less energy than diesel so diesel is more efficient. ur 328i would run as a 330d with 40mpg or even better and much better performance.
so no offense, I m just wondering why its still common that big trucks run with petrol if they run better with more torque. A month ago I drove the new Tahoe and the engine was awful with all that noise, constantly shifting. not to mention the mpg...
Maddin Shane agree with you on all the shifting. it gets very irritating
I just bought a Ram 1500 5.7Hemi I watch your reviews all the time. Definitely made me feel a lot better buying a truck that you guys featured in some of your videos. I'm averaging 12.6 mpg EcoFuel. driving 70mph 64 miles daily to and from work. You guys are the best! Keep trucking!
Im not a ford fan at all but i love that it shows you what gear your in at all times.
they should've compared the 2.7 ecoboost instead, the 3.5 has way more power aside from being gas vs diesel. this test is a horrible comparison.
+Gerardo Linares This is why we call it a mashup.
The Fast Lane Truck exactly
Gerardo Linares still wouldn't beat the ram
It wouldn't be a comparable match. You can't get the 2.7 in a 4x4 SuperCrew. You can get it in the 2X4 SuperCrew or the 4X4 Supercab, but not a 4X4 SuperCrew.
Chris Pastuf obviously not at mpg but it'd a slightly better comparison
Andre makes the show!
I agree the 2.7 is a closer matchup in hp and tq to ecodiesel that little 2.7 motor is surprisingly powerful for its size
I tow my 6,700 lb travel trailer all over the country with my 2018 3.5EB and consistently get 10.5 mpg at 65mph so I'm not all that impressed with the price / performance of the diesel.
It would be great if when you are doing these test you also describe some of the difference in the towing performance or each truck and other details such as comfort, ride, capabilities, engine power, etc. I really love your channel. I do quite a bot of towing and love detailed comparisons. You guys are doing great though please keep it up!!
I think it's pretty amazing that there are pickups hauling 7k with engines of such low displacement. 3.5 liters works out to 213 cubes. Having said that 50k plus for a half ton pickup is Fuqing insane. Here in the NE a dodge pickup at 5 years old is a rust bucket, unless you put it up for the winter. I've seen 3 year old dodges with holes over the rear wheel wells. The ford at 60k plus???? With the chain hook ups that far back?? This wasn't noticed by ford during testing?? There is a lot of good in both trucks but a lot of bad too.
Nathan and Andre thank you for the nicely done, coherent video. So much more enjoyable to watch than the other guy.
Great job. You proved what we all knew already about diesel getting a higher MPG number than Gasoline
American Track Master I guess that’s why Ford should call it EcoBOAST.
Derby Racer at the same time, 7000 pounds is a pretty big load so I was personally curious if the small diesel would suffer from a large load and lose its efficiency gain. Obviously if you are going to be pulling 12K you need to go with a big diesel but I think 7000 is right around where you might be between the two, which is why I am very interested to see how that engine performs with a similar load on hills.
I shopped both Ford and FCA 1500s this year and used my inlaws FCA discount and rebates to get a new 2018 4x4 laramie Crew cab loaded for 43k out the door and the ford was 57k with my fathers A-plan equally optioned. This was the best no brainer I ever had and I love the truck with 8k miles on it now and still amazed at the 25+MPG I normally get driving.
13.3 mpg Dodge
9.13 mpg Ford
gas vs. diesel baby. when pulling weight, nothing beats a diesel.
Except for it's not rated to tow nearly as much as the gas engines in the half ton truck. If you actually want any power in that diesel you have to step up to a super duty or heavy duty truck. The half ton ecodiesel is terrible.
Do you own one yourself?
But if you only pull a travel trailer once or twice a month, and using it as a daily driver ill take the ram. But then again my bro has a f350 and he is never left needing more.
Matthias Schwalbach , where was the dodge?
Matt Lopez
Watch it yourself
Great test, so the eco diesel returned 46% more on fuel mileage, cost of diesel being 12% higher, the net gain with diesel is 34%, which is fantastic. Thanks for the tests. My 3.0 Touareg TDI returned 24 mpg with 6000 lb trailer travelled for 600 miles.👍🏼
Considering the price the second truck should have a Lincoln badge on it.
Great video as always, you guys are the best at real world reviews hands down. It'd be interesting to know the drag coefficient numbers, but I know that's splitting hairs. Also I know all diesels do regens, so if you could show what mpg and power you get while the truck is in the middle of one, that'd be great! I'm always worried I would get a re-gen while doing something like the Ike and only get half power and terrible mpg.
More torque and power? Give me the Ford. Also, not a single FCA brand or vehicle scored even average reliability for 2016. A MARGINAL company just like their products.
Keep believing what you read . I personally love gullible people and when i guy looks at my Ram limited in his Ford like he wishes he had one as all he sees is my bumper as i leave him in my dust.
Impressed that the F150 can actually tow while in 10th gear. Good to see its not some useless 3rd-4th overdrive.
Very nice comparison. EcoDiesel is incredible!
Hey Andre, I don't know if you're aware of this but on the ford when you are backing up if you hit that "plus" sign it will zoom in on the hitch. It was a really nice feature that ford thought of because coming from my '13 F150 to a '16, I really wasn't a fan of the birds eye view because it takes up half of the screen, that is until I pushed the plus sign... Ha! And I just want y'all to know I appreciate every single one of you for all that you do, including Mr. Truck!! I've been watching y'all for a few years now and y'all never seem to let me down, so thank you for all that you do!!
I tow a 31 ft trailer with dual slide (about 8000lbs) with a 2001 Ford Excursion which weighs 4 tons (7.3L International T444 diesel) and get about 10 mpg with no mods and she's a dream to drive with all the electronics you'd find or want on a new truck except traction control and lane assist. Truck engine technology hasn't improved as much as you might when you talk towing and these $60k "garage queens" cost so much that any $ you might save is immediately lost in the cost, depreciation, and so on. If you tow, buy a Cummins or Ford 7.3 and fix it up so it's nice and you'll save $30k which = 10,000 gallons of gas or, 100,000k miles at 10mpg towing, not to mention get about the same mileage too boot.
I'm going to be very interested to see how the small block Powerstroke compares. Keep in mind that the Ram's TF transmission was available from the vendor with 10 or 12 gears, so there must be an engineering reason they went with 8.
Excellent video, as always. Please do a comparison like this between the 5.0 F150 and the Ecoboost.
Great job guys every one of you guys from the fast lane truck are absolutely wonderful. Keep up with this interesting content please you guys are miles ahead of other reviewers because you get down and dirty and test things first hand when others just take a small city loop and talk the whole time :) In my opinion keep up with videos like you did here, more Ike gaunlet runs, and my favorites when you take goldmine hill and other mountain trails to test 4x4 etc.:) And please if you eventually can do a goldmine hill (or similar) run with the ford raptor and the f150 roush. I seen that the roush is a VERY good off-road truck that can come from factory with supercharged 650 horsepower ! But thanks for the awesome content please keep up the excellent work all of you:)
Glad we went with the Ram EcoDiesel, we tow every day and are pulling around 3klb cargo getting around 15-16 mpg.
Roses are red, Harambe was black, cash me ousside, howbout dat
That's fucking racist dude
Everything's racist these days.I must be too just saying that.
Troy Strain You win.
I would most definitely prefer the ford for overall reliability.
My 2015 2500HD Duramax diesel averaged 14.5 MPG towing 6,500 Lbs. over an 1,800 mile distance in cold, snowy/rainy December from New York to Texas.
i can't wait for the 1L ecoboost and the 20 speed transmission in the 2020 f150
3 years later and instead they copied Ram and put a 3.0L powerstroke in the f150 LOL.
@@gawddangthatsmoist2251 Ford had to design and build their own diesel v6 rather than using an existing fiat engine like Ram.
The need for the extension loops for the chains is new to me, I never thought about that being a problem. I drive a 2WD 5.4l 2002 F150 (lame, I know) and the loops for the chains are in a fine position for all the trailers I've used (typically just an extremely heavy old Jayco).
I love my Ram EcoDiesel. Never going back to gas.
I love my ram evo diesel 2017 not fast but it's just right.
I have a 13 hemi lone star 1500 thinking about getting a exodiesel have you had any problems
@@zachary666655 just change oil about 6 thousand miles , change fuel filter every 10 thousand miles she will treat you good
Jimmy Wilson what’s your mpg
25 to 28 mpg
Hey there, FLTruck crew. Great work as usual.
Guys, could you guys ask FCA if they plan to man up and do something about failing(slipping) camshaft sprockets on the Ecodiesel? There several videos on YT showing said defect. And guess what ? most of them are happening after the warranty period expired. Get your shit together, RAM.
truth be told. I could care less about mpg when I'm enjoying what I'm driving. my personal take.
Research and buy smart and you can enjoy your ride and get good gas mileage.
just 4 the record, my new F150 eco, with around 2500 miles, got 26-28 mpg, and that is the 2.7. has a very nice ride, no complaints.
I'd love to see a ecodiesel vs powerstroke when the diesel f-150 is released.
When GM announced they would be getting back into the 1/2 ton diesel market with a 3L duramax I6 as those would love to see a three way battle with the F-150 and its 3L power-stroke and the ram 1500 with its eco-diesel.
Videos out it limped home with a broken heart of 69k price tag
I have a 2018 F-150 ecoboost, I pull a 4500 lb. rv in the mountains with ease, coming home down hill it sips gas averaging 15 mpg. The video shows the F-150 in 10th gear, tow haul mode won't let the truck shift into high. Something is amiss! I have had two Dodge Rams and I will NEVER have a third!!
for a gas vs diesel comparison the ford did well. the ecodiesel did well. Ford obviously wins in towing capability just like the ecodiesel easily wins in mpg.
BUILT DIESEL MAFIA ford lost at towing too
imho this is one of your better vids, finally some useful data for we consumers. the 7000# trailer is close to the average RV trailer. the Ford latest-greatest eco-bust got only 9 mpg? that is about 45% MORE consumption than the Ram. this for an empty truck! add some load in the bed, and even worse mpg is expected. $60k is a ridiculous price. at this price, a 2500 gives far more capability at the same 13mpg for a 7k# load.
PS... my maths indicate the F150 will cost about $6k less than a Ram 2500 diesel, but the F150 will consume about $2k/yr more in fuel pulling 7k lbs driving for say 24k miles/yr. so, after 3 yrs the diesel becomes less costly and over 6 years the difference in cost is very significant. if more weight is pulled, say 8500#, the difference is even greater. even by comparing other brands, at a diff of 4mpg, diesel always costs less as the years increase., and diesel has a much higher resale value over time, if all other factors are held constant.
Rob Grune What's a Ram 2500 have to do with this comparison? NOTHING!!!
ya missed da point. ok, if you have the numbers, plz compare the f150 to f250 diesel. the diff would be comparable. so, in about 3 years, the diesel will have more advantages than a gasser.
The Ford may be faster, but who cares? Not me, because when I tow I am never in a hurry nor am I racing anyone. The cost of towing is far more important to me than how many trucks I pass when towing. I'll take the Ram
Mic it tows less.
Longevity goes to Diesel, they last twice as long or even more than a gasser, so factor the price of an engine rebuild into the Ford. Maintenance goes to gassers, DEF issues, EGR cleanouts, and the dreaded P22e error code will keep you broke until you pull the emissions off after warranty.
Ken Maunder I'm a diesel fan myself, bit google around and you'll see that this diesel has a problem with a cam sprocket slipping, causing damage. i don't know the percentage that have this problem, but it sounds like enough to move the mtbf needle in the wrong direction. :(
When you're done comparing a diesel to a gas engine, you can do the new McLaren vs the mustang
My 15 and 16 f150 was always at least 2mpg off from the dash reading to what I actually put in the truck
You know, really all of the truck manufacturers make very nice and capable trucks. So saying one is better then the other is really just someone's personal opinion. They all something better then the other and something worst then the other. Just saying.
go spend 40 or 50 k and tell me that you wont look into it a little more thoroughly, just saying :)
Fair enough. The Ecoboost is better at performance, in terms of 0-60 and speed. But the Ecodiesel is better at towing
Great video! You should have used the 2.7 engine to keep it fair. Big difference in horse power and fuel economy.
This just in turbo Diesels use less fuel than turbo gas motors.. wait that's not really news... considering the greater embodied energy of diesel, coupled with the greater thermal efficiency of diesel engines... which vehicle used less DEF ;-) I prefer a diesel truck to a gas truck myself, because I use trucks as trucks (however I won't touch an FCA product)
It would have been nice to see it compared to the 2.7 Ecoboost. That engine has specs closer to the Ecodiesel. Where I live diesel is more expensive than gas, so even at the lower MPG the Ecoboost makes sense for me.
wait until the 3.0 powerstroke comes out, then you can compare it to the fiat ecodiesel.
Close, Fiat Chrysler owns VM motori
Renlin Zhang fiat currently owns it. GM was an owner before.
''Twas only a joke guys, no need to get all up in arms about it.
Justin Walters I think it's great they are bringing the powerstroke. Now they just need to abandon ecobust and make their V8s more efficient.
***** well, depending on how do you define a "fiat" engine. But nevermind,we all know what it is.
Less go Falcons going to the Super Bowl
Ryan Shepherd America is rooting for them, they better not let us down and lose to the damn Patriots
Less go or let's go?
Ryan Shepherd rip
Shouldnt it have been F-150 with the 2.7-L V6 EcoBoost engine?
Good for you! You got a good one! My brothers 2012 3500 diesel blew up in 2014. I have three friends that got rid of their RAM's after they rusted so bad the beds had to be replaced. This video wasn't a fair comparison! No shit a diesel will out class a gas motor. Especially, for towing! I owned one RAM in my lifetime! The transmission was rebuilt five times before Dodge replaced it with a heavy-duty Jasper Racing transmission. I have no clue how it held-up because I traded it shortly after. Also the paint job was subpar the headlights filled up with water too. Plus all the electrical problems I suffered through with this pick-up. A friend recently bought a 2500 RAM diesel to pull his fifth wheel trailer. On his way to Florida it seized! It only had around 6,000 miles. Ussteel bought a fleet of Dodge trucks too! Their only a few years old and the beds are rusting away and the bumpers are almost gone! Granted this mill is harsh on vehicles, but their old Ford's and Chevy's held up better than that. Cummins isn't a division of Dodge! Hell the Titans have them in their trucks! Along with a ten year unlimited mileage warranty. Why don't Dodge do that! I'm not a diesel truck buyer my man! My truck is a daily driver and I hual a quad or a lawn tractor from time to time. I have no reason to buy a diesel truck! My family owns a farm in SW Pennsylvania. We still own a 1978 Ford F-250 with approximately 56,000 miles on it. It still looks and preforms like the day it was bought. Plus I have a 1967 Bronco that I rebuilt from the farm. Neither if these vehicles rusted like a Dodge. Or the paint peeled! Obviously, you have taken care of your truck. Maybe where you live has something to do with it too. As for Ford not building cars! That was a business decision! They sell more trucks, SUV's and Mustangs. Who the hell wants a car any more! Unless it's a Cadillac, BMW, Mercedes or something along those lines. Chevy and Dodge are talking about discontinuing cars too. It's because their not selling as many! My super crew F-150 has tons of room! More than a Dodge or Chevy by the way. I looked at them all. As pick-ups evolve and get better mileage they'll out sell cars. You like your Dodge great! I had trouble with one! So I'll buy what I feel confident with and you do the same. You've had trouble with Ford's obviously! I've had trouble with a Dodge! People are more inclined to talk more about something problemati. Than stuff without problems! Good luck with your RAM!
ram all day and twice on Sunday's. plus 10k more for the Ford AND it takes 91 so you're paying more at the pump. no fuckin way
I have a 2014 eco diesel bighorn 4x4. I have the 3.92 gears and towing the different trailers wither it be the 20' camp trailer or the car hauler with a mini Cooper or the enclosed trailer with RZR inside, my average towing has been 18 mpg and best tank was 21 mpg. this is going 850 miles one way from Oregon to Utah. My enclosed trailer unloaded or loaded, I get 19 all day long.
Why is that Fiats ass dragging?
CMac because coils! Lame!
CMac it's doesn't have the air bag suspension that adjust its self.
I really like what honda did with the chain loops. Its a single piece of 3/4 round stock maybe 5/8 bent into welded to the bottom of the receiver in 3 places.
So the RAM costs less, uses cheaper fuel, and got better fuel mileage. Seems like a pretty obvious choice.
Diesel here in indiana is almost $0.50 more pre gallon
87 octane is 1.89 diesel 2.49 in south carolina today
Tony Bowie 87 is 1.91 and diesel is 3.04 here
Specific fuel cost is cents per mile, that way you account for the price differance between diesel fuel and gasoline. Ram- 13.28mpg@$2.369/gal=17.8cents per mile;Ford- 9.14mpg@$2.759/gal=30.2 cents per mile. Fuel cost to tow with the Ford is 41% higher than the Ram, so a 1,000 mile trip would cost $124 more with the Ford.
That's great and all. Except that the Ram EcoDiesel (which you can't even buy right now) also can't tow nearly as much. So you get an extra 4 mpg towing 7k, cool. Tow 11k. Oh wait, the Ram can't. Only Ford and GM can.
Phil McIntosh lol ok
Go look it up. The Ram Ecodiesel isn't rated to tow very much. It's like 5k less than a towing package EB can pull. It's not for pulling. It's only for people who want to think they're getting good mpg.
Of all the crap my family owns (4 travel trailers, 2 boats, ATV trailers, utility trailers, snowmobile trailers, etc.) none of them weigh more than 7500 fully loaded. all but two are 5000 or less. 4 mpg (40% mileage improvement) is a pretty big margin. I get about 14.5 pulling one of the large travel trailers in my ecodiesel that my other family members 3/4 gas trucks average less than 8... Phil, if you plan on hauling up to 11k regularly, why on earth would you be getting a 1/2 ton?? If 10k or above is a serious consideration, then axle loading, thermal management, mechanical longevity, stability, and sheer common sense dictate getting a 3/4 ton. let's be real here.
Why would you want to be towing at 90% of what your truck is capable? I prefer to tow 7-8k but have a truck that's rated for a good 3k higher than that for safety and ease of pulling.
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Perfect video showing fuel consumption, would have loved it better had you guys cut the music and talked about passing power, showed the rpm Guage from stop to 70 mph and talked about hill climbs, how often the trucks were down shifting.
I’m looking at buying one of those trucks now for pulling my 30’ camp trailer
I want the ease of scooting around town when not towing and the pulling power where your not in the throttle!
Thanks again for the video
A Russian with the last name of "Smirnoff"?...
I can't be the only one that see's the irony of that, lol!
i personally have a 2.7 (3.55 diff) Ecoboost 2016 with around 25,000miles (bought with 500 miles) i put these miles on since may, driving all over the country. i know the factory calls for peak performance to use the highest octane, which i agree with when making the engine work hard. however, you are not pushing the truck and the 3.5 (stock diff is 3.73 for max tow package) will easily tow this weight with 85 octane.
in my 2.7 this what I generally drive. as a person who drives for a living i put 1,000miles on my vehicle each week as an average. i get 3-5 mpg better when i use 85/87 over 91. this is also true when testing in tow at highway speeds. as i am also in Colorado and drive many of the same roads i feel this is an unfair comparison. also at sea level i got 3-5 mpg better. as an average. i get 18-19mpg average city and 24-27 average on the highway. with roughly 500 lbs in the bed at all times. i have also confirmed my numbers over and over again. gear ratio also plays a big part in this. i dont recall you mentioning the diffs. and this can be 3-5 mpg difference as well. im not trying to negate your evidence but i do think it is biased to the ecodiesel.
recently i took a trip from springs to denver and back with a trailer weighing loaded near 4500lbs and averaged 17-18mpg.
springs to denver loaded (74 miles), back to springs unloaded, lastly to denver with no load. on the entire trip i averaged 19+ mpg with 85 octane.
i love the show and watch them all. thanks for the great shows and reviews
Ford: more power than ever before but the same gas mileage as the old 5.4l v8. I think Ford should take that ECO badge off cause it aint helping much, all its doing is fooling thousands of people into buying these trucks thinking there getting a fuel efficient pickup. Lets be honest, Over the past 10-15 years there hasn't been any real improvements in fuel economy in these pickups, all they do is throw a bunch flashy technology, more speeds in the transmission and bump mpg "1 or 2" points and reliability goes downhill. I garuntee a ecoboost will cost more in the long run then say a toyota tundra even though its a pig on fuel.
At least Rams ecodiesel is putting down solid number on the EPA and even better in real life, reliability well time will tell.
Until then ill keep my $60k and fill up my trusty 5.3l gm v8.
I'm very happy with my 2.7L F150 but the ecodiesel is really freaking impressive. Day to day I usually average 23-24mpg and towing a 6,000lb load I averaged 13.5mpg.
balle27 GM trucks all of them suck it's just a big box made of steel with a bed on wheels just bunk
balle27 GM/Ford/Ram all suck
Or they can just change the badge to EcoBOAST!
i cant wait till the 3.0 powerstroke comes out, that will be a much better battle, great video
ford looks way more aggressive😍
I think you mean gay
Generic Name Ram trucks look the fucking same every year soooo
So does a corvette but i'm not going to tow with a corvette.
+Generic Name the ford is nt gay at all. Looks killer.
McDonald's probably sells the most hamburgers in America, maybe even the world. Best selling doesn't mean it's the best.
Interesting head to head comparison with an unsurprising result. I'd like the video more if you gave a little more info on each vehicles configuration. Things like final drive ratio, max payload and max . towing as shown on the door stickers not as generically published
Shouldn't you have done a 2.7 v6 since that would be the most eco model?
I have towed a dozen trailers with maybe a dozen trucks over the years, at 3 different companies including my own, daily at times, never needed chain extensions. You may need to talk to your trailer dealer or make sure your bar isn't overlong.
A diesel versus a gas. Doesn't seem like an apples to apples test.
thats why its called a mashup
Yea. There's now a ford 150 diesel:)
Noticed they didn't do a 0-60 on the ram. That's because you'd have time to nap. Put diesel against diesel. Everyone knows diesels pull better. DUH
Just to throw some comparison. My 04 F150 XLT ext cab (suicide doors) with 216k miles gets 8 mpg city and 11 - 12 mpg hwy. 4 speed with OD with 3.55 gear, 4x4.
yes nathan! go steelers!!!!!!
Amen! I live in Colorado and am a Broncos fan now, but with them out of the competition, I am FIRMLY in the Steelers camp. My dad had season tickets to the Steelers back in the Noll/Bradshaw/Harris days, and we were in 3 Rivers for the Immaculate Reception.... (Ha! We had to watch the Jumbo-tron to figure out what happened.)
Very good information guys! I am betting that the EPA is full of it.
I hope all the Ford lovers enjoy when your Eco junk self-destructs at 90,000 miles
Eric s theses thousands out there with over 100k on the clock not missing a beat...what rock do you live under?
Sorry I hurt your feeling but Ram is the superior truck I know when you worship a brand that is hard to take. Their are plenty of videos of this engine and its problems. I myself am not brand loyal I just tested all three trucks and have owned Fords until the Ram beat them. Mabey test drive a Ram limited and see what you think you might switch over like I did .If GMC come out with a better truck I would buy that.
Eric s
how about the ecodiesels cratering just after 100,000 miles?
And not to mentions fca cheating emissions on the 2017 ecodiesels along with cat failures with the early models. Junk
I love how you instantly came to the realization that he'a a Ford lover.
I'll take my "Ecojunk" more than your "Ecoshit" thank you.
Also, have fun getting that rim out of your leg when you crash.
Ok here’s some numbers for you. My 2016 Colorado Z71,4x4,V6 Ext Cab gets on average 26 hyw at 65 mph and average of 18 city, just driving around empty. But on this last trip, towing our 4,400 lbs travel trailer and all our 700 lbs of the wife and I and a lot of stuff like extra batteries and a heater, tools a jumper pack, two spares for the truck and trailer, on this latest trip from Massachusetts to Central Florida, then out rt 10 and then down the Texas Coast to Matagorda, we have averaged 15 mpg at the speed limits without cruise control, because I do not like how often the transmission hunts between gears. If I use the gas pedal I’m able to keep it in the top two gears, 5 th and 6 th. But with the cruise it keeps going down to 4 th and even sometimes 3rd! Even at 65-70 mpg! But if I feather the gas pedal I can do better than the cruise control, even without tow haul mode. With plenty of power!
so whats the total fuel cost difference with any additives, isnt diesel more plus other stuff you need.
radioguy1620 plus the extra cost of the diesel engine
radioguy1620 In this case the Ford recommended premium gas which is more expensive than diesel.
sonictech1000 don't forget the price of def
DEF is not worth considering. It costs about $2.60/gal at a truck stop. Ram has a 6 gal tank so about $15 to completely fill it. I have 6400 mi on my ecodiesel and I still have not had to fill the DEF tank, it is at about 1/4 full. $15 every 7000 mi or so is totally worth the better gas mileage towing or not.
What is the diesel oil recommendation and cost also, in my car its about a penny a mile for oil , 30 bucks for 3000 miles average.. In reality the eco boost mimics the ecodiesel , both very boosted heavy duty setups. not so sure either will hold up compared to non boosted big blocks or at least 5 liter motors.
Great job guys thank you for all this info it really makes choosing a truck for my application much easier
Im ok with those numbers! The diesel ram, will be alot more expensive to purchase in the end so ill stay with the Ecoboost. And also he didnt have to use Premium so the fuel will be cheaper in the ford!
Cesar Martinez but diesel will generally last twice as long as any petrol motor, and as they said they are using 91 octane to have the power that is listed by ford
Xantho Poulos The diesel advantage on longevity is almost erased these days. The base engine may outlive the gasoline version but the expense of getting to that longer life in injectors, many much more expensive fuel filters, more frequent more expensive battery replacements, and every other piece that costs way more will make an engine that outlives the rest of the truck not be something you really consider.
Ford recommends premium fuel for its 3.5l ecoboost when towing.
It doesn't make any sense to discontinue the EcoDiesel. It was the most fuel efficient truck in Ram's lineup. It was also reliable. The EPA are idiots.
Rams are damn nice
Only at the dealership! Once you take them home the novelty wears off. Once they start rusting in the rear because there's no wheel liners and the headlights fill up with water! Funny, I see alot of old Chevy's, Ford's and Toyota's running around in my travels. Not so many Dodge's! Maybe there's a reason for that? Plus why they knock off more than ten grand off the sticker price. I'd buy a Honda Ridgeline before a RAM! The only Chrysler product worth buying are their minivans, Grand Cherokee, Challenger hellcat or Demon and Charger. Maybe a 300 too! The rest of the line-up looks like a salvage yard...
Fuel prices just vary based on where you're at. Where I'm at, diesel is well over a dollar more than premium, making it by and far the most expensive. Where I used to live, it was dirt cheap, being sometimes as much as a dollar less.
Wow the difference in squat between the Ford and the Ram is incredible. I'm a Ram guy but you gotta give it to Ford on that. It also goes to show how much a weight distributing hitch does. I pull a 7,000 lb travel trailer with my Hemi 1500 (so same weight as their trailer) and mine squats half as much as theirs did but I use a weight distributing hitch.
BelowMinimums : ya the coils ride great but you lose some truckability... if you tow with s RAM you really need bags. But, I had bags on my 06 F150 so....
That Ford looks so good! The Dodge needs an update bad.
Mel Laknanurak ya ford does that a lot, not sure why, I'm a very ford biased person and they change like every one of there vehicles in some way every 3 years or less. Like everything in their vehicle lineup has gotten a refresh this year even though all of them have gotten minor refreshes in the past 2-3 years anyways
If it isn't broke don't fix it.
Michael M lol Ford is ugly.
F-150 KING OF TRUCKS nah fords are the worst. I wouldn't drive one if someone gave one to me
F-150 KING OF TRUCKS haha nope I drive all different types of trucks/cars for work. Ford is honestly the most overrated brand. There is no build quality with fords. They look like shit on the outside and they are even worse on the inside. Plus they drive like crap too. I'd rather have a Nissan truck and that's saying a lot
Great review between the Dodge EcoBoost Diesel and the Ford EcoBoost Gas! I was surprised to see 13.1 mpg, from Dodge vs 9.8 mpg from Ford!
Next year Ford will have a Diesel engine in a F150
Just pulled 9500 pounds with my 17 f150 3.5 ecoboost and averaged 10.8 mpg at 80 mph average
this new 10 speed only beat 6 speed by 0.6 8.5 to 9.1 mpg not very good
i bet the 5.0 would get better mpg
Their test last year showed 8 mpg for the 5.0; and that was with the 5600 lbs trailer.
6% improvement..?
This 3.5 EcoBoost also has 10 more HP and 50 more TQ than the previous one, hence the 6.2s 0-60 time. And that time is in a Platinum which is several hundred pounds heavier than an XLT. I have no doubt guys will run their XLT bone stock in under 6 seconds. Let's wait to see how the 3.0 PowerStroke does as far as MPG goes. The 3.5EB is more about Boost than Eco.
Add still get worse gas mileage than the much heavier Titan XD gas V8.
Hmm. What was the rear end gear ratios? Did they verify tire pressure? There are many factors which will effect mpg.
The best the Ford Ecoboost will do is about 24 mpg hwy average with a regular cab, highest rear end gear ratio, 2WD and manual trans.
Just look on the Ford website and look at specs.
RAM any day
check out crash tests and then let me know which one you would drive ill take the ford
diana dodge still take the ram :v
just gotta dodge instead of ram
When you own a Ford it is hard to dodge those service departments.
Do not crash.
nice test guys! Diesel per gallon has more energy than gasoline and this video is fairly good proof of that. Do the trucks weigh close to the same? I think the auto industry is at a near max level of efficiency per gallon all other things being equal such as weight and wind resistance / friction.
that ford got its ass KICKED in price and mpg, so why are people still buying it. nice job ram.
Because it's only for mpg and only towing light loads. The Ram is maxed out at 7k and is painfully slow.
@phil. Sounds like you're just mad the F-150 thoroughly worked over in this test.
diesels are ~20% more thermally efficient than gas engines so.....
The Ford is the King of the idiots truck as I blow the doors off your eco junk with the hemi king.
F-150 KING OF TRUCKS "piece of shit hemi shit" lol. they are not testing the hemi, its fords eco against rams eco and the ford LOST. ford has power but that power will have you visiting the gas station a lot more than the ram. but ford owners don't worry about such things right?
Not only does the diesel cost less to fill up, but it also gets better mileage whether towing or not. I'm getting older and all out speed just isn't in my top priority list anymore. It's nice to have that ecoboost 0-60 but the diesel is still quick enough for me.
I'll take that Ford, wouldn't touch that RAM.
BronzeChicken That's because you wouldn't be able to catch the Ram.
that makes no sense mr 4.7
By not being able to catch do you mean buy because they cannot pass emissions and are not currently for sale?
thatdamguy00 Every car company has something on them. GM Is always asking the government for money.
eco-diesel won't catch up with the eco-boost in a drag
Sticking with my 1999 f250 superduty 7.3 6spd manual pulling a 12000 trailer getting 16 mpg, at 70mph. add ons edge tuner 4in bd exhaust
Wow all that for basically.5 mpg better than the previous 3.5 that had 4 less gears. Tee hee. When is ford going to finally throw in the towel with the ridiculous Ecobust experiment?
when cross comparing diesel vs gas you have to do a Miles per dollar not gallon. Then factor in the premium that you pay for the diesel. How long will you have to drive/tow to make up the difference?
tfl does the most ridiculous, mismatched comparisons. i always read the title and skip over watching because they make no sense at all.
+Darnell Robeson did you know we have the most popular truck channel on CZcams. About 5 million people each month watch our truck review. It seems our reviews make sense to millions per month.
The Fast Lane Truck thanks for letting me know. yall burst my bubble LOL. comparos still make no sense tho
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I don't understand why this comparison is "mismatched."
TFL is comparing a 3.5l turbo v6 gasoline 1/2 ton to a 3.0l v6 turbodiesel 1/2 ton...that's about as apples-to-apples as you can get.
People want to know how gasoline engines compare to diesels in a variety of aspects. If you're too insecure to accept the results, take your sour attitude somewhere else.
Very few channels do as decent a job as TFL when it comes to trucks and SUV's.
During the winter at any given ram dealer in Saskatchewan there will be at least 2 eco diesels in the shop that don’t work... usually more. Maybe it’s a good truck down in a nicer climate.
Dodge all the way!!
can't wait for the 2018 comparison between the 3.0l ecodiesel and 3.0l power stroke diesel. Fords going to smoke rams mpg numbers when the new diesel comes out next summer. I'm expecting at least 30 mpg if not very close to 30 mpg.
idk. I still like the f150!
I have a 2014 ecodiesel. It's been in the shop 5 times for Service Electronic Throttle control warning. I had to change the injectors twice, computer module once, and they replaced EGR system. It currently has about 37k miles on it. They don't know what is causing the issue and they just keep replacing parts.
10 speed trans, duel fuel systems and it still gets spanked doing what trucks r ment to do,haul. 45% worse mpg and 30cents more per gal of fuel, epic fail ford. as always just expensive shit
Spanked in fuel mileage sure, but the Ram would have been spanked in towing in ike gauntlet that they probably will show in a few weeks. They didn't show it on here but in another video they did the Ram did 0-60 in the 10 second range and as seen in this video the Ford did it in the 6 second range. Also the Ford can tow more (over 11,000 lbs properly equipped in Crew cab) than the Ram Eco diesel (9,000 lbs properly equipped crew cab)
oh in reality the ram can tow more just not legaly its about gvwr so the vehicle and load combined ford=less weight so more weight for load ram=more weight so less weight for load even though heavier trucks handle more weight better
bartz118 lol a,tow rating is just that. The lighter ford sucks for towing because it gets pushed around by the trailer. Have u ever towed 11k lbs? I have and its pushing any half ton to the limit. The ecodiesel isnt about speed. Do u know how stupid u sound quoting 0 to 60 times on a truck?! I have towed with both an ecoboost and ecodiesel and would take the ecodiesel everytime. Plus once the warranty is out u can add 100hp and 150 lb ft to the diesel for $1k. Good luck tuning an ecoboost and not blowing it up!
Andy Hass just not legaly remember if you go over the rating and get weighed big hefty fine
No need to get foul. As for quoting 0-60 times, where I live the highway is 70 mph and some of the on ramps are short. Some trucks struggle to even get to 60 and trying to merge in into heavy traffic causing people to move over and slow down causing backups. Which can lead to safety concerns as well.