You Asked For It! Ford F-150 V8 and EcoBoost V6 Take On The World's Toughest Towing Test
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It's simple, V8 Ecoboost
That would be badass
A single turbo 5.O would be awesome.
Never going to happen
@@Brian-ff7tw new 2022 Toyota tundra is rumoured to have a v8 ecoboost...
That would be interesting
The axle ratio difference and 4x4 vs 4x2 make this pointless. Disappointed
Wtf right they f every test up
Yeah I would definitely love to see this again with the 5.0 having 3.55 gears too! EVERY single time they do this test with the coyote they always give it some kind of disadvantage just to promote the v6!
It certainly doesn’t make it “more interesting”, but keeps it apples and oranges.
Yeah this test is pointless with different drivetrains.
Ya I stopped the video after I heard this
You should do a ‘10 year challenge’ Ike gauntlet. Compare a 2009 truck to the 2019 with the same equipment. It’d be cool to show people how much better trucks have gotten over the last 10 years.
Anyone who has pulled with both trucks knows that the 3.5 will out pull the 5.0 in the mountains all day every day regardless of rear end ratio or any other specs. The 3.5 blows the 5.0 out of the water on low end torque, The 3.5 develops most of that torque around 2500 RPM, and if your towing that is where it is at. Simply put the 3.5 tows like a diesel and the 5.0 tows like gas.
A cowboy, Canadian, and Russian walk into a bar...
mrdylanjoseph sounds like the movie Canadian bacon, lol.
@@rafterktbcattle3022 thought it was Tommy Lee Jones.
None of them knew how to code lol
...and ten minutes later a bar walked out of a Russian/Canadian Cowboy.
mrdylanjoseph COLLUSION!!! 🇺🇸🇨🇦🇷🇺
From what I have seen, the new 10 speed transmission is pretty awesome! I think that really helps the V8s for both Ford and GM.
Idk....first transmission I've ever had issues with. Thanks GM! LOL
Living in Colorado and having towed up this route with a GMC v8, an expedition with an Ecoboost and now a f150 there is frankly no comparison. The Ecoboost has incredible power. If you get behind a slow truck or car while climbing a 7% grade at 10,000ft with the v8 it struggles to get back to the speed limit. With the Ecoboost you can race up to the tunnel passing slow trucks along the way.
Perhaps you should drive the 5.0 before you speak. You’re wrong.
@@travisboose9444no... he's not. I've driven and towed with both and the EB outshines the 5.0 in every way but fuel consumption while towing.
@@travisboose9444shut your dumbass up lol
@@travisboose9444hes right the eco boost torque tops out very low in the rpm range compared to a v-8
I would gladly give up a 1/2 mpg to have more power towing and also not listening to an engine screaming at 4500 rpm. You could hear them yelling to each other when pulling with the v8 it was that loud@@nateg08
How difficult would it have been to just get two 4 x 4's?
They're stuck with what Ford provides them.
You think they just get to go to a lot and pick the trucks?! Lmmfao silly boy
They are stuck with what the manufacturer sends them. They do not go to a car lot and just grab any vehicle. Manufacturer sends them out and the same trucks get passed around. I bet there was a whole group of reporters there doing the same thing that day
Said this in another video. Just use the same damn setup when comparing. Makes these comparison vids pointless
@Vegas EMT not correct.
the rear axle is always applying torque multiplication. So if you are locked in 7th (1:1) and making 200lb-ft at that particular RPM from an engine a 3.55 is transmitting 710lb-ft to the tires vs a 3.15 that is transmitting 630lb-ft.
Once you factor in that the 3.5 makes more torque at a lower RPM and has a broader powerband. It becomes unfair.
All these years and I'm still waiting on tfltruck to get their hands on an F-150 5.0 with the most aggressive gear ratio which is a 3.73 and taking up this mountain verses an non "max tow" EcoBoost with 10000 pound behind it.
2 wheel drive vs 4 wheel.Still not a straight up comparison so why bother.
Humble Pie Garage not the same axle ratios either, but I guess that was the equalizer for the weight difference of the two.
4x4 would of been overweight with coyote.
ya but the 5.0 was also at a disadvantage with the shitty gear ratio. so it probably even back out the playing field. less weight but technically more load on the engine do to a taller gear ratio. i bet if both were 4wd and the same ratio it would have been a very similar result.
I don't have the full range of gear ratios, but as long as they run the majority of the tests between, say 3rd and 7th gear, the final ratio doesn't play that big of a part. If they were testing 0-20 mph or 90+ performance, I'd agree that final ratio would be significant. But, for the few seconds they're accelerating at the very beginning of the uphill, that's probably the only time it comes into play, with the 5.0 being on the losing end due to lower ratio and higher torque peak (RPM), but still completely up to the task.
Well for example , assume both trucks make peak power close to 4k rpms. with both trucks in 4th gear at 65 mph which on the ford trans is 1.76 : 1 ,,,, the v8 truck will be at 4,175 rpm ,,,, and the v6 truck will be at 4,705 rpm ,,,, so the v6 truck gets to sit right in its happy spot while the v8 has to shift down but still has to maintain a high rpm because they are doing 65 mph. at 65 mph in 3rd gear which is 2.14 : 1 with a 3.15 ratio the engine is now at 5,700 rpm just to maintain speed regardless of load , not necessarily because it needs to be there to pull the weight up the hill. And yet the v8 still burned less fuel.
The Coyote, modular 5.0 in that truck has nothing to do with the windsor 5.0 except similar displacements.
And the fact that the Coyote is made in Windsor. The Windsor 302 ceased production in 1978. The Windsor 5.0 HO ceased production in 2001.
Your right,but it did prove they can make a good 302
Mike U I was just thinking the same thing.
Yep, this one’s a 307cid V8
dusty179 And a modular DOHC engine where the outgoing was OHV. Can still make the same power with the 302W if you know what your doing. Wish they would make another OHV V8 now with direct injection like the GM LS.
Great review, however, with over half a million tfl subscribers I think the manufacturer's better start sending you the trucks with the spec's tfl requests!
This is also a questionable statement. If they r getting the correct units to review will they do better testing for the masses that need "normal" reviews. The test need to be put up by us or at least have a hand in choosing what tests are helpfu and which are not so helpful but still note worthy.
I have a 18 coyote with 3:73 rear crew long box. I tows amazing. Night and day to my previous 2 rams
I bet it does. That is equivalent to the 4.10 with the six speed.
Just got a 2019 f150 with the 3.5. Haven't towed yet but the power and fuel economy is waaay better than my previous 2011 with the 5.0. The 10 speed is smoother than the old 6 speed too.
Need a twin turbo V8!
BMW 2017 not for a truck you don’t.
So everyone can sit in front of CZcams and give their opinion on how "unreliable" a turbo gas motor is?
A twin turbo coyote in a F-150 would be both very fast and a towing beast!
@@xinferischief1570 these trucks are already beasts. Very few would pay the additional $$$ for pointless bragging rights, crappy fuel economy and less payload.
@@ALMX5DP who cares? Twin turbo V8> N/A V8. Are you telling me you would choose the regular 5.0 over a turboed 5.0 if they offered one?
You guys are doing all the tough tests everyone wants to see. You got my subscription with this one! Keep up the good work fellas, keep showing us who's building the best trucks!
The no sunroof more headroom tip was some good information.
Great videos as always. Would have liked to see the identical gear ratio and options/weight, but thanks for the video!
I love how powerful and quiet my 3.5 ecoboost is. No more headaches from towing all day with a noisy V8
Different gears. And 2wd vs 4wd. Test is useless.
Unknown Name Unknown Number 10 speed transmissions make the rear gear largely moot. 3rd gear with 3.15 will overlap with 4th or 5th gear with 3.55s.
Most tests these guys do are useless. There are probably 10 places in the United States where the elevation in significant enough to warrant an turbo. And then you are up to elevation and and then down, never staying at elevations. A test needs be be developed at lower elevations like a tractor pull sled.
I own an EcoBoost. Run away as fast as you can. Garbage
honestly I don't care which one wins and which one loses. I know what I need and I know what I want. there are benefits to both engines, just weigh your options. the ecoboost makes great power especially when you take into account how small it is, ford has always been good at squeezing big power out of small engines. but the V8 will probably last longer because it's a lot more simple in design and you have a lot more engine so it's not as strained to make the power that it does make.
@@northernlogger3196 run to the v8 with a class action lawsuit? Please
For all of you who just look at the rear gear ratio, you seem to forget that this 2wd F150 has a 29.5 inch tire (265/60/18) whereas the 4wd F150 has a 31.9 inch tire (275/55/20), so when you take this into consideration, the 3.15 gears on the 2wd are the equivalent of 3.40 gears on the 4wd which is only a 4.3% difference with 3.55 gears, so not enough to make a significant difference. The 700lbs weight advantage that the 5.0 has does make a huge difference though, much more than a 4.3% longer effective gearing ratio. My point is, in this test, the 3.5 easily beat the 5.0, fair and square (even with a major weight disadvantage that easily outweighs the tiny gearing advantage the 3.5 had).
Facts
700lbs more, .5 mpg less, 2 brake applications more, apples to apples the ecoboost would be way ahead.
I drive a '96 F150 XLT 302. V8 5.0 liter engine. Love the thing, has almost 207k miles on it and still hauls 3 tons of hay with no problem. I would go V8 5.0 if I ever got a newer truck. I feel I have less engine problems with my old truck than my brother does with his newer V6.
Grandpa, dad, and son doing the Ike Gauntlet. Watching him sit in the middle with the seatbelt on screams family road trip hahaha 😂😂
I stopped watching the moment you said one is 4x4 and the other is 4x2.. You already spent so much effort making the video.. Why not spending a bit more to make it perfect comparison.
I came through your test miles twice this year,,heading for Utah and then the return. 4.2 liter NA 6 , F-150, Full bax about 1,000 pounds, large canoe on the roof. It did fine,, and my mileage from Grand Junction to Julesburg was 17 mpg. A little higher than I expected,, but likely the high altitude valve was leaning it out a bit.
As far as the sound, I actually like the ecoboost. I came from from a Silverado with a 6.0 liter so it sounded pretty tough, but it also sounded like it was screaming towing up hills, where now my eco boost just pulls. Also, since we tow a camper, it's nice to be able to pull in late and not disturb anyone because it is SO quiet at idle speed. Also I can remote start it early for work and not wake up my neighbors. Just feels much more collected and I love having that low end torque without the drama. And if you WANT the sound, it does sound pretty cool if you stand on it.
Yeah. I have a GM 6.0 and a 3.5 EB. The 6.0 is throaty and the EB is more mike a rattle can, but the big 6.0 still has to downshift more and cuts the air conditioning off when under small loads....all while only achieving 12.1 mpg
Owned one, sorry, it still sounds like a v6 and people, if you own this engine PLEASE don't put dual exhaust on it!
Sounds like all other v6's...a motorboat!
Tfl is one of my favorite CZcams channels. Of course the EcoBoost can tow in cold weather, but in the heat it doesn't do so well. My old EcoBoost struggled in the heat up mountains! I would love to see you guys do some Towing torture tests in hot weather!
Yeah, like where the manufactures really test and establish the tow ratings, Davis Dam. SAE J2807. Minimum of 100*, 11 miles, A/C full tilt. Elevation is one thing, heat is a whole other ballgame when towing. Andre doesn't understand that. My LLY sure did here in AZ though. Hated that truck.
That's odd, Ford tested the crap out of that ecoboost and basically tried to melt that engine, and couldn't. The 3.5 Ecoboost is a seriously very good engine.
I have no issues towing through east TN mountains in the heat of summer. No noticeable power loss and engin and trans temp have never budged.
2017 4x4 5.0 with 3.55 here, love it, came from a ram with the 5.7, better power management love the power, reliability and of course sound, pulled campers back from PA to TX with my brother-in-law, power and gas mileage the same but 5.0 didn't struggle at all.
Love the review.. love my 5.0
Just bought a camper to tow with my 2017 ecoboost. (that I bought after watching hours and hours of your videos) Cant wait to take it to the Smokey mountains! Thanks for all your videos and hard work gentlemen, you’re the best! 🤷🏻♂️
Sam Hyde so, you bought a eco crap because of videos??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️🤦♂️ I suggest you look at the forums, and carfaxes of those f150 and eco craps. 🤣🤣 you're going to regret ever buying it!
Did you know their Ford videos are sponsored by Ford? Do you think their Ford reviews biased if they are sponsored by Ford?
Both engines are great! You will love that ecoboost for towing though.
@@eric3030 , I drive ecoboost and v8 on regular basis. I don't like the turbo lag, and when engine speed is not linear, it jumps.
@@repairvehicle Fair enough, I dont really notice lag anymore but I see how it could be annoying. I'm not sure what you mean by "jumps". I would be happy with either but chose EB because of the more comfortable towing experience. (And for my model year 10spd with eco vs the 6spd with v8)
What cracks me up is all the people bashing the EB are usually the same ones who knock half tons and says everybody should be driving a diesel Super Duty or HD. BUT, all those diesels are...wait for it...TURBOCHARGED!!! So which is it? Turbos last or they don’t. Can’t say they are s**t in a V6 but then praise the Turbo Diesels. And really? I’m paying for sound? Give me real world performance any day over sound! The performance of that EB is real. And, oh my, I will have to tap my brakes a couple extra ones. The horror! Haha. I would MUCH rather have that power reserve ONLY available with the EB when going uphill (I hate being pedal to the metal and unable to accelerate any more). Anyway, fun video but not sure very useful after all the testing you guys have already done with these trucks
Honestly I don't find hardly any of their videos useful anymore. Entertaining, sure. Sometimes it's just fun to see trucks do their thing. But anybody who buys a truck based on the fact that it takes less brake taps going down a mountain is foolish.
Turboing diesels is fine because diesels are built sturdier than gasoline engines, dumbass. Why do you think diesels are so much heavier?
You actually have a valid question. I do understand the concern some have with turbo gassers over a standard V8 and it mostly has to do with heat. Gas turbo engines produce way more heat under load in the turbine system. As long as a manufacture (ie. Ford) can keep that under control and at a safe operating range than the EcoBoost is a fine option. In the past, before ecoboost, turbo gas engines were highly susceptible and seemingly problematic because they could not control heat building. Diesel generally run much cooler under load, can move more air and have an engine block designed to hold the heat and power. That being said, I believe the EcoBoost was designed from the ground up for that exact purpose.
I bash the eco craps because I owned one of those POS's!
MattChat56 do some research in the design of the 2.7 EB and the components it shares with the 3.0 Power Stroke. The Turbo gasoline engines are built stronger and the turbos bolt directly to the cylinder head. No exhaust manifold. More efficiency and cooling.
But I’m all for either engine. My friend and I have the same truck, same options, same mileage, but mine is a 2.7 and his is a 5.0. We are carefully watching and documenting what problems will creep up.
A survey on a Ford tech forum asked the techs which engine they prefer in their truck if they were the buyer and it was overwhelmingly the 5.0 Coyote! The main reason cited was reliability.
Perhaps the techs needed the reliability of a consistent paycheck for their boat or cottage loan…
I've had both, I used them for pulling, but mostly as daily drivers. My last F150 was a 2.7 ecoboost, and it was impressive, especially, like the video said, performance at high altitude. Living in AZ I do have a lot of high altitude passes. I will own another F150 again. If I was to leave things alone or mildly modify them, I'd go with another ecoboost. Throw a tune, intake and exhaust and the ecoboost is crazy good fun. However, my next one won't be left alone; and will have a coyote... It will get a whipple under the hood, and that'll solve the high altitude "issue". It'll also make for one helluva fun daily driver. If I can find a reg cab short bed (can only get the 3.5 in a reg cab long bed), I'll be set. I do hope to not have to buy new as regular cabs hold value like milk. If you're gonna leave it alone or minor mods, ecoboost. If you're gonna add boost, or live in the midwest where there's no elevation, coyote.
The EcoBust is like the little guy at the gym who benches 500 lbs. He's on the juice, veins popping out everywhere, and isn't natural. People just stare as he throws the weight around.
The Coyote is like the big guy at the gym who benches 475 lbs. He doesn't break much of a sweat, looks healthy, and it just comes natural to him. No flash, no show, just gets it done. Nobody pays much attention.
Technically, the little guy benches more and is a little stronger. But, he's going to die at 38 from over-stressing his body with steroids and growth hormone while the big guy lives to be an old man and keeps puttin' in the work.
Moral of the story: Pick your partner wisely. There's more to a truck than numbers on paper.
That's deep brother .
Personally own a 17 lariat fully loaded with the 3.5 eco boost and I couldn’t be happier, originally wanted the coyote but the eco boost is definelty much better for me LOVE THAT TRUCK
OFFRD on bro
OFFRD I swear, ever since Top Gear became popular, every car enthusiast is now trying to come up with humorous analogies. It might have been valid if you were comparing an F150 with a F250 diesel.
That was great!
PLEASE TEST THE 5.0L with 3.73 axle ratio vs the Ecoboost I think the results would be more interesting and more viewers would appreciate it love the videos keep up the good work
Awesome review, guys! I love the Ike Gauntlet!
Been waiting for this!!
I've been waiting on this guys, thanks for getting it done. I love the 5.0 with 10 speed in my 2018.
Great video. Thanks! At high load the EcoBoost may be more fuel efficient if you keep the revs higher. At low-mid RPM (high load), the ECU may dump more fuel into the cylinders than Stoichiometrically needed in order to avoid Low Speed Pre-Ignition (LSPI). I'd be curious if 4th gear at the same speed all the way up the hill (lock out 5th) would yield better fuel mileage. In my 2017 EcoBoost Expedition EL (3.73), I also notice Exhaust Gas Temps to be higher (up to 1700º F !!) at lower RPM with load, which is not good for the engine, so I try to keep higher gears locked out, especially under load/when towing. A $25 OBDII Bluetooth module (Amazon) + $5 Torque mobile app would allow you to monitor EGT unintrusively. Not sure why Ford has their transmissions so strongly preferring higher gears with the EcoBoost, even in Tow/Haul mode. Unless load is almost nil, there seems to be very little benefit to keeping RPMs below 2-3k RPM.
I drove my dads 5.0 coyote with the 10 speed to Tennessee loaded with 5 people and luggage no trailer and it was getting 17.6 mpg leaving it in drive. I decided to lock it in 9th gear only 200rpm different and after a while the mpg went up to 19+ i thought that was crazy even with 3.73 gears it seems to have to many overdrives. But this was in the mountains.
I'm all for the 5.0L V8, I own a 5.0L F-150 and love it! But all you people in the comments calling the 5.0L ''simple in design'' sound ignorant. Its a duel injected four cam 32 valve V8 with twin independent variable cam timing and stop/start technology on the latest iteration, Its not simple by a long stretch lol. The only major difference's between the 5.0L and the Ecoboost are displacement, cylinder count and one is forced induction.
But those hoses and two spinning metal bladed turbos are scary! 🤣
Hey guys I love these ike videos, definitely want to see more of them. Great content
And that test was immediately ruined when you chose 2x4 against 4x4 🤦🏻♂️
I disagree...a lot of folks think a 4x4 is better for towing and a diesel truck is better for mpg but thay don't mention the service costs and repair costs to the diesel 4X4
It's substantially higher than the 4x2 V8...as thay say"keep it simple stupid"...
NO offense intended and if you have a problem with a 302 just about any mechanic can fix it ...good luck with a twin turbo V6!!!.😎🇺🇲
@@caravanstuff2827 really very different from a old Ford 302
From towing and daily driving a 2013 5.0, I can confidently say that it has more power than a half-ton needs. Plenty of juice and I rarely go over 3k rpm towing a 7,500lb enclosed trailer. I still have passing power with that trailer going 75mph on the interstate. No experience yet with the ecoboost but I tell ya, that 5.0 has been a honey.
B Kranz-12 the 5.0 is much more reliable and these engines can run forever
Aidanlee5914 Stop it. You sound like those delusional tundra fan boys. The 5L has its fair share of problems.
MrInzombia Well I’m a real life owner of a 2013 5.0 that has 174,000 miles and the only trouble it’s given me is a water pump recently. A $400 fix with relatively high milage to me is nothing to complain about. It’s been the gutsiest, most reliable, most fuel efficient truck I’ve owned so when I simply explain my personal experience with a truck I’ve been very happy with, I don’t see what the big problem is. A real fanboy is the one that sees a problem with my statement.
MrInzombia I pay $24,000 for a vehicle and I put tons of miles on it, and I’m not allowed to share anything about it. It’s supposed to be kept a secret if I like my truck I guess.
Your video in 2016 when you did the V8 Ford up Ike is what sold me on the Truck. Purchased a XLT V8 this year.
One of my favourite ways to use the Tow/Haul mode for downhill descent is to set the cruise control, and then lower the cruise control speed to nearly 10-20 km/h below the speed limit I want to achieve. It does a great job then of controlling speed without need for much braking. Experience from a 2020 Ford Transit 350 fully loaded with the 3.5L Ecoboost.
3.73 in that 5.0 would make a huge difference in both uphill and downhill towing. Guessing it would change the mpg’s too.
Yah. Kinda hard to believe that less than a 3.5:1 gearset in a gasoline engine expectation to tow 13k pounds.
@@michaeldunagan8268 with a 3.15 gear I don’t think it’s rated to tow 13k lbs
MPG's with a 3.73 truck would likely improve if anything. It would likely allow it to shift to, and maintain 4th better, without having to spend as much time in 3rd.
Boss is still driving his 2012 3.6L ecoB with 175k without a problem.
For work I'm now driving a 2017 XL STX 5.0L 2wd with 6 speed. It diffently needs a set of taller rear gears.
Yeah ok
Rangerscott
You are right on the money in that comment
@@paulhunter9613 Still got the '17 with 77k miles. Boss sold his '12 eco with just under 200k. Only had to replace one turbo but all it needed was new o-rings but our mechanic got such a good deal on a new oem turbo we just replaced the whole thing.
Did have a new '19 v8 10sp and had tranny problems non stop. Traded it in for more than paid for with the crazibess going on and got a new '21 titan proX
Awesome video gents!! Thank you
Andre + Mr Truck + Canadian Dude = great video!!
I’ll take the 5.0 V8 with 4 wheel drive thank you 😂
5.0 V8 4x4 would probably exceed GCVW for this test unless you have the 3.73 rear end. I'm surprised they could even do this on the 3.15. Ford says max trailer weight is 9100 lbs for the V8 on 3.15 but GCWR is only 14200, so unless this truck weighs less than 4600 lbs (lol no) then the 3 guys plus the 9000 lbs trailer put it over GCWR.
The ecoboost is 4wd too
A 5.0 V8 with 4wd and a tuner! The 3.5L Ecoboost is a good motor. But they only sound good with a certain exhaust that makes it sound deeper. Also, you should get a 5.0 with the 3.73 gears, then it will not have barley any lag.
@@AaronR7250 I just want to say... I’m so glad you commented on this because I said this a year ago. And I just bought my first f150 , it’s a 2015 with a 5.0 and it’s 4wd in the lariat package. My dream from a year ago came true
I am glad you could get a very nice truck!
7:54 Uh, no. This is a much newer engine introduced in 2011. The displacement may be 'old' but the engine itself certainly is not.
Will F yeah that was a completely stupid babble he had. Dumbass old fudd. That motor has only been around for ten years. He's too stupid and stuck in the old days to realize that motor shares literally nothing but displacement with the Windsor 5.0's/302.
@@cfltitan well seems like you really want a cookie for a writing comment nobody is going to find useful. Dumbass young punk
@@campbell0162 you do realize you just did the exact same thing, right?
You guys have too much fun!
Tfl's results make total sense. Although turbos can compensate for power output, they cannot do anything to increase engine braking performance. A higher displacement engine will by design have more vacuum resistance, because it has to try to ingest, compress, and expel more air then its smaller turbocharged counterparts.
Likewise, the mpgs, although surprising at first, also kind of make sense. The 5.0 makes less power, and although power is not _directly_ proportional to fuel consumption, it does _generally_ mean less power = less gas. Also, the ecoboost makes a lot on torque low in the rpms, so it doesn't need to run in low gears to make hill-climbing power... BUT. Because it's spinning at a slower speed, it actually has to push harder than the 5.0 does, and to do that, more fuel is required. In fact, that's exactly how turbos are supposed to work: compress more air into the engine so more fuel can be injected to compensate for a lower displacement.
With the ecoboost you really can only have either the "eco" or the "boost", but never both. I'm not an engineer, but this is really kind of interesting
The altitude this test is conducted at gives the Turbocharged Eco Boost a big advantage, driving that route in any normally aspirated engined vehicle leaves you really feeling down on power due to the high altitude and thin air, I'm amazed the 5.0 did as well as it did.
Great vid guys! I always check here first before i buy a car / truck, been watching for years! The v8 is my favorite and I do think in the long run more reliable, but the eco is a beast!
Thank you for the kind comment.
In other words.........who needs chevy?
"more power than you need " !! that's the best way to describe the Eco boost ! I've had 2 now and I love them. I live at high elevation and they are wonderful. If I lived in Louisiana, the V8 might make sense?
Maybe it would be better to have a 5.0 in Louisiana, they have lots of oil fields down there to help feed the 5.0 use of oil
Good comparison at altitude. I'd like to see a follow up on these two trucks 10 years from now to see which one is still on the road.
If that 5.0 had a 3.55 or 3.73 itd be a totally different game
Yea, and the five oh would be running 5000 rpm to tow that weight
@@paulhunter9613 Thats what sucks ahout any newer gas engine
I believe the 2.7 EcoBoost is the most popular engine choice, kinda disappointed that it has not been tested since 2015.
@Paul Cox I have an 18 xlt with the 2.7 10spd 4x4 and love it. We've had it for about 6 months and its been from eastern Montana to Utah once and to Minnesota a few times. It's a nice pickup to use on trips.
I agree with the majority of commenters, I know you guys can only test what you're given, but parity is the only way to make true comparisons. There should be more emphasis on the overall effects of 4wd and axle ratios as well, and I'd also like to see you guys test power programmers to see if their enhancements are worth the money.
Both are good. I started tuning them recently and they respond well to tuning.✅
Fun test to watch and I love you pitted two Ford’s together. However throw another 1500 lbs on that test and the EB will win hands down. As an 80K mile EB owner, I consistently tow 9500-10K lbs with my EB with no sweat.
You remembered to use synthetic oil and max 8000 miles service interval right?
@@MrTonaluv A small price to pay to keep that engine tip top. I use straight synthetic and never go near 8000 miles on a change.
@@MrTonaluv and it’s a cheaper oil change with an eco, the v8 takes 8.8 qts
Do people really consider the Coyote, "that old 302 Ford has put in everything" - Lincolns etc lol? These guys are always hilarious. Good reviews, but always just off the mark of accurate. Mix a few facts up here and there. Maybe that's why people like them?
Apparently. For being "Mr. Truck" he seems quite uninformed.
I have a 2013 5.0 lariat crew cab 4x4 short bed and just recently pulled 6,000lbs and it didn't even care at all. Didn't even use the tow haul mode. 3.55 rears I do believe, was pretty impressed
3.15 on the V8 is not a good towing combo, for 2018 F-150 you exceeded the towing max 9100 minus the altitude adjustment. VS 3.5l with 3.55 with Max tow is 12.7k, minus altitude. Sadly, this compare was VERY misleading. details matter guys!
I wonder if "Mr. Truck" realizes this 5.0 V8 is completely different from the 302 engine that existed in the 90s and previous years.
Lol, I was going to comment the same thing. The only thing this motor shares with the old 302/5.0 is the fact they call it a 5.0L.
I find that Mr. Truck is a good driver but not so wise when it comes to technical expertise of the vehicles.
Yeah he just compared a pushrod 302 windsor to a dohc ti-vct coyote 5.0
2018 5.0L is 307 cubic inches. I agree nothing in common with the old 302.
@@gradoisx2348 I take it the 302 Windsor was a better more powerful motor?? I'm asking. Can you get this motor in an f150? Probably not with all the emissions crap these days. I personally would take the 5.0 over the turbo v6. I see problems down the road with them turbos. What do you think?
Hello again gang! But I have to add having two very different gear ratios on an uphill towing test, that I bet if equal the times would favor the V8 in time, but maybe not as high with the mileage. I would personally go with the V8!!!
And also put 700 lbs of weight in the back of the v8 truck then to make it comparable
I've driven and towed with both and I like the ecoboost over the V8. BUT if your pulling hills and not using cruise control the turbos do lag and make it feel like its searching for gears at the higher speeds. still keeping my 3.5, hopefully they could get at least a 3.55 and a 3.31 axle ratio at least that doesn't really make a difference. and obviously the 2wd is going to get better mileage especially with taller gears
The 3.15 ratio of the V8 truck is not great for towing. I bet that it would do even better with a Ford 3.55. Still, the V8 truck did surprisingly well in spite of the elevation. It proves that you can still get the job done with the V8. Great video, Guys!
When reliability and longevity matter, you always choose the naturally aspirated 5.0 v8 F150 over EcoBoost
Have you see the video of the 3.5L? Check it out... its the same motor that won at Lemans with the Ford GT... but I like the V8 much more... especially in my GT Mustang ..
@@markr.9626 great engine, but it wont last.... turbos kill engines...especially if you dont change your oil twice as often as recommended..
@brian Shaw
Yea you see those turboed semis broke down all the time don’t you? Smh
@hojo 70
Says the five oh fanboi...
I wonder how many people commenting here live in Colorado where these tests are conducted and understand the effect that elevation has on power? The 5.0 truck (and the 5.3 or 6.2 Chevy and the 5.7 Hemi) feel like you are driving a worn-out 4-banger at this elevation when compared to the EcoBoost. You literally have to drive those V8 trucks like you stole them to get any type of power from those motors. The EcoBoost is effortless power at low RPMs. I drove all of the trucks back-to-back when shopping for a new truck. The EcoBoost was in a class of its own.
Ever drive the Rapter 6.2 & 3.5 EccoBoost? The 3.5 is exponentially light-footed & athletic feeling than the 6.2!
I s'pose exhaust sound is the determining factor for around 50% of people who dig factory sold Baja blastorama trucks...
Its the fact that the ecoboost is a turbo engine and it isnt effected to the altitude as much as a natural aspirated engine.
Interesting comment. I guess the trolls need to get their thoughts out there too. I take it you mean that your Chevies (not the possessive form "Chevy's") perform so poorly at lower altitudes that additional elevation can't make them perform any worse. I suppose that is possible, but simple physics dictates otherwise.
@@billybeemus3929 Ha, yea. Or you-know-who drives empty and doesn't need much Chevvy power to make the speed limit and can't tell the diff...
Yeah they threw me off with the "IKE test" I didn't think it was Eisenhower pass until i saw the tunnel. I cant compare really, I never noticed the change in power. My family only ever towed a huge fifth wheel over the pass and that was a 2001 7.3L international and we just stuck it in 3rd and avoided shifting. I had a 95 F150 with a 5.8L windsor and that thing was a turd. 200 hp! it couldnt tow itself up that pass haha. It did drink gas really well.
Thank you for the auto start eliminator info!
I have a 2019 3.5L Ecoboost that I just pick up. I am sold big time on this set up and engine!!
Timothy Harris wait till you have to fix it lol...
@@readingrambo3058 He won't. Year 1 (2011) had the problems and recalls that have been worked out since.
3.15 vs 3.55 plus the 700lb weight difference i think accounts for the mpg. Still comes down to what you like. V8 vs V6 is same decision as Chevy vs Ford vs Dodge. Just depends on personal likes, needs and wants.
Typical comments from the peanut gallery, I love how quiet the EcoBoost is. You cannot even feel it shift under normal acceleration and the turbo makes a soothing sound when you floor it. I love the luxurious feel and quietness of the EcoBoost.
I agree totally with you. I have the 2.7 and at idle I really have to listen hard...its almost silent. .love the eb
@@swingbag12 My 2016 2.7 has a nice deep rumble for a v6. I really like the low rpm power it has. When I first started shopping I wanted a 3.5 eco or 5.0 but that little 2.7 impressed the hell out of me.
Another 2.7 Ecoboost guy here, love quietness, but does have a lil rumble on cold start up! It’s s little Power House! I’ve read that it’s the #1 selling engine in the F150 suite of engines, so apparently a lot of other folks think it’s an awesome engine too!
Right on! I have the 3.5 ecoboost in my 2018 4x4 XLT Sport and love it! This motor is a monster; just love the acceleration and torque.
@@poppyneese1811 cause it's cheap
Well all I know is that I traded my older 5.4 v8 off for a 3.5 turbo and was very happy with the power of the 3.5. Towing is a joy now, the 5.4 always struggled on California mountain grades - no problem now with the 3.5. say what you will about the V8's but the 3.5 turbo 6 is great in my books.
From everything I've seen on the 5.4 Triton V8 they were plagued with problems due to the engineering of the motor. Sir, you made a great choice to go with the 3.5 Ecoboost. It is one tough and well engineered motor. 👍
I have the 2012=eco-boost 3:55 rear end with over 90k miles. Pulled Rv 6700 lbs dry weight up Raton pass and la veta pass in Colorado several time. Has plenty of power and no big issues. Will take eco-boost over v8/all day long
I don't care about the 4WD because it's not a HUGE difference in parasitic drag these days but those axle ratios make this completely unfair to the 5.0, time wise.
Still not a big enough difference to matter day to day unless you climb this daily with a tow. In which case you should probably have a Super Duty anyway.
So, how does 10 seconds matter day to day? What are you going to do with that 10 seconds?
If you did this every day to do it easily you’d want an f250 with a powerstroke
The rpms speak for themselves you muppet.
I'll take the raw power of the EcoBoost over the sound, I've drove both engines and you could floor the V6 it wouldn't even scream.
I was buying used, and I went to buy a 2013 F150 4wd CC w/ a 5.0. They sold it before I got there, but they had a 2012 F150 4wd CC w/ a 3.5L ecoboost with sames miles and price. I bought the ecoboost.
4 years later, I love this truck. I tow a 6,000# boat with it, and it pulls like a beast. Low end torque is key to towing. Most domestic pickups used to have real low end torque. Nowadays, the only gas engine with actual low end torque is the 3.5L ecoboost. When I am cruising at hwy speeds @ 2,000 to 2500 rpms, I get 95% of my 420 ft lbs of torque. No crazy downshifting. No 4,000 rpms to get me power.
With the 5.0L, you are geting 200 ft lbs @ hwy speeds. You have to put it in 5th gear to get your rpms high enough to pull with confidence.
WOW nice job Coyote!! I would get the V6 TT, but Im a Mustang Ecoboost owner But I am proud of the Coyote on this test! Turbos by their very nature burn more fuel by design! The fact that they do burn more and this test showed how close they were in MPG, the Ecoboost Technology wins! Not only that, but an aftermarket tune for the V6 would totally change the outcome of this test! 2 or 3 more psi would burn more fuel while pulling the mountain, but it would do it faster! Nice job Ford! You have 2 winners! They both performed admirably!
Really depends on what you do with the truck, if you tow heavy and get a new truck every 2 years than get the ecoboost, if you don't tow a lot and keep your truck longer, get the V8.
The 5.0 is more reliable and more fuel efficient, but the ecoboost is more fun and tows more.
@turd Ferguson
Perceived reliability, again with that tiresome mantra,, 😖
I’m with the Canadian on this one. I’d rather have more power than I need than to have an NA engine hanging out at 6,000 rpm in the lower gears. A boosted small displacement engine is the way to go at higher elevation, especially with a 10 speed transmission.
or and heres an option buy the 5.0 engine that is designed to be supercharged and supercharge it
@@jmorton3462 most people don’t want to invest another $10k in a supercharged engine
@@paulhunter9613 10 k is peanuts next to the power of the force
@@jmorton3462 10k plus the $55k to buy the truck, is more than just peanuts, that’s why no one does it
Y ou can't beat that v-8 sound hammer down !
4x4 vs 4x4 gotta make it a fair fight lol….love your videos !!
Welp, this comment section is already predictable.
Ptguy0618 thank you, sir.
Yes. The more-is-better, no replacement for displacement, V8 sound is masculine, armchair Engineers, tiny wee-wee wagging only took moments.
People always complain about things they have no clue about. I pull RV's on a daily basis with the 3.5 EcoBoost and have over 300,000 miles with no problems
Honest question: With a 10-speed automatic, why does the final gear ratio matter that much anymore? I mean, I'm an engineer and understand it... if you take two identical trucks and change only that final gear ratio there will definitely be a difference. What I'm getting at is, compare it to long ago with a three speed automatic. A lot more compromises needed to be made there. But with 10 gears, aren't they able to get BOTH low end torque and high end fuel economy, and just make all trucks, I don't know, 3.73 or 3.55 (midrange)?
I take it you have never towed anything! Makes a difference.
You have to look at transmission gearing and rear end gearing. Rear end gearing doesn't matter as much anymore by itself.
Take the Tundra for example. 4.30 rear end gears, wow super low! But, the transmissions final gear is 0.59. That's crazy tall. so the truck is doing 1,800 rpms at 70mph.
With those transmission gears, I would rather have a 4.88 rear end.
You're correct, most people who comment about gear ratios don't have a clue what they're talking about.
ford gives different max towing numbers depending on the final drive ratio, and they are quite different. perhaps it is to do with loads on the transmission even if it could find a lower gear to compensate? perhaps the gear ratio changes too much from one gear to the next at the lower end on the highway to be of use in this low final drive ratio scenario? just speculating...
I love how this is the real question and no one can answer it
The difference is mute between 4x4 vs 4x2. Not saying that the supposed 700 pound difference didnt effect the results because it probably does but the gear ratio come on is the needle in the haystack. Tfl you gotta find a way to at least match gear ratios. Of course the 5.0 worked harder on the climb. It has the worst gear ratio available for towing. Do a test with 3.73s and i bet it doesnt work as hard. Even the 3.55s would make a world of difference. Still a neat comparison, and im glad you showed it so thanks fellas!
The correct word is "moot" and not "mute." "Mute" means refraining from speech or unable to speak. "Moot" means either an issue open for debate, or a matter of no practical value or importance because it's hypothetical. I'm thinking in the context of your comment, you meant there is no practical value to a test between a 4x4 and a 4x2 truck - and I agree with that assessment.
Not apples to apples! Two wheel drive? No way, unless you’re living south Florida. Always great to watch your episodes though. Love the Colorado mountains, especially near Lily Lake and Estes! 🇺🇸
Love my V8.
That .5mpg advantage goes to the fact the truck was 2wd over 4wd. If you did it both 4wd or both 2wd i think the eco would of beat the 5.0... just my 2cents
Where do you get the music in your videos, or who composes it?
More specifically the track the starts playing at 0:30.
Good review TFL! I would pick the V8 also but didn't like seeing the higher RPM's to go the hill. Would the V8 lug is it was in the next higher gear?
That’s the totally wrong gear ratio for that 5 L come on guys you know better than that
And it still did really well
The fact that he calls the coyote an old engine that's been around forever tells me all I need to know about how much these guys know
I drive a Ford F-150 with the 3.5L Ecoboost and it is simply a beast.
This was a great test. I would, however, like to see something more real world such as a 5,000 load on more level ground to see how the turbos react. It's easy to spool them up going up hill.
It’s easy to spool them up on flat ground also
I’ll take the V6 through the factory warranty period after that I’ll gladly go with the 5.0 V8!
Mine spent most of the warranty period at ford while I made the payment and drove my 1200 dollar dodge I upgraded to the ford from. Was broke more than it ran🤬
@@northernlogger3196 I call BS. I have a fleet of 3.5 ecoboosts, all over their warranty period, driven hard by trades people who don't own them, and not one mechanical problem. Actually, rear passenger door locks on two of these trucks froze up in the winter and required service a couple times. That's it............. real world experience, not some contrived story from a fan boy.
Not a story I drove it 2 weeks and it was at ford for 7 weeks because the wiring harness to the transmission fried. Not sure how my truck being a piece of shit hurts your feelings but ok. I have all 3 brands and not getting ass chapped over one so who's the fanboy
@brisen Ellis
Yea the 5.0 will do that, quite common
Nice! Good ole apples to chickens test...
I actually took the ecoboost because of the sound... i love the turbo whistle 😍
It's piped in, just like elevator music.
@@winstonchurchill3597 not the turbo
@@blakehyslop2605 True
Winston
Wrong again
Power AND longevity is what counts
And that’s why the eco rules