10GbE and 2.5GbE Switch for $65 - HOW??? What Is The Catch?
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Video Chapters
00:00 - The Future is NOW
00:58 - Video Start
01:11 - Hardware Specifications
02:10 - Talking About SFP+
02:39 - SFP+ to Copper RJ45 Solution
03:10 - Power Consumption
05:10 - Bandwidth
06:10 - Bandwidth Saturation?
07:18 - The Managed Software is...meh...
08:10 - Credit to them for calling it out
08:50 - Conclusion
The hardware featured in today's 2.5GbE Guide
2.5G adapters for PC/Mac
USB C to Ethernet 2.5G Adapter, QGeeM 4-in-1 $29.99 - amzn.to/3MISu8Y
RSHTECH USB C to 2.5G Ethernet Adapter $22.99 - amzn.to/3GawZeM
EDUP PCIe 2.5GBase-T PCIe Network Adapter $27.99 - amzn.to/3MFUz5q
2.5GbE Network Swtiches
TRENDnet 8-Port Unmanaged 2.5G Switch $179 - amzn.to/3sRUcwR
D-Link DMS-106XT 6-Port 2.5G & 10GbE Unmanaged Switch $149 - amzn.to/38M61hh
QNAP QSW-1105-5T 5-Port Unmanaged 2.5GbE Switch $119 - amzn.to/3lC74Df
10GbE Network Switches & Adapters
EDUP 10Gb Gigabit PCIe Card $89.99 - amzn.to/3lDyYyK
QNAP QNA-T310G1T 10G-to-TB3 Adapter $269 - amzn.to/39Q3y5m
QNAP QSW-M408S 10GbE Managed Switch, $299 - amzn.to/3lAH6jl
TP-Link TL-SX3008F 8 Port 10G SFP+ Switch $241 - amzn.to/3wCV6yk
Video Chapters
00:00 - The Start, Obviously
00:13 - What is 2.5GbE and What has changed?
02:03 - Future Proofing
04:10 - Shared Bandwidth
06:45 - USB-to-2.5GbE Adapters
08:39 - ISPs crossing the Gigabit Mark
10:44 - Storage Media Faster than 1GbE
13:19 - Multimedia doesn't really benefit
14:39 - 2.5GbE is not as widespread as 1GbE
16:38 - The cost of 2.5GbE Switches is a bit nuts
18:35 - Cost of 10GbE dropping
19:57 - WiFi 6 & WiFi 6E are here
21:59 - Conclusion
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I came for the NAS news. I stayed for the latest in British slang
I will admit it was little awkward not be used to hearing that word often in the US. 😅
Just to be clear, he's saying nicker, not ni**er that it sounds like sometimes... That's no more acceptable in British slang than in US!
rofl
Also not knicker... 😁
I enjoyed both
I use these on my network with 2 LC SFP+, pretty impressive. It is stable, GUI is crappy like you said but you do not mange the switch every day. Hint, if you do not logoff from one computer, you might be unable to connect to the GUI from another IP. Be sure to always properly logoff after you change config otherwise you might have surprise from another computer.
There's also an option with 9 2.5G and 1 SFP+ managed and that's reasonably priced as well. Blows my mind
I have 2 of them already for more than a year - super nice, and price as well
I wish they had this in 8+2. As primitive as you say the management UI looks, it sure does seem to allow for a lot of configurability. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Unfortunately, I've only seen that in unmanaged switches like the Gigaplus GP-S25-0802. But I suspect it won't be long until the other Realtek OEMs pick it up.
They have as n 8 port SFP model, but yeah... I agree
I have a couple of Horaco unmanaged switches that have the same port layout and they are fantastic.
I am seriously considering wiring my next home with fiber instead of Cat6. This would make a fantastic bridge for places where I am running legacy devices.
I bought the unmanaged version for £30. I bought a 2.5GGbE USB network card for DS218+ and I'm as happy as a child. Combined with WIFI 6 160Hz I have a 2GbE network always
Thanks CZcams algorithm! I was looking at a $200+ Netgear 10G switch scratching my head wondering why the price tag haha. This will do nicely. Love your videos mate! Cheers!
sfp+ base-t adapters always run really hot (especially those rated for longer ranges) and they tend to use more power than both fiber and normal base-t ports. I'd like to see the power stats when fully populated with fiber in the 10gb ports and copper on the rest
They also do a 24 port 2.5gbe version with 2 sfp ports with rack ears or table top. I wish someone would do a review on the larger format switches of 2.5gbe, so many for the 6 or 9 port versions but none for the 24 or 16 port versions. The web management is basic / crappy but it seems to work as it should as long as you save configuration before exiting and lets face it for most people it will be a set and forget case so its not something your looking at every day. Hopefully someone does a review on the larger 16 or 24 port switches soon or I will have to take a gamble and go for which I feel is best.
I had the 8 copper + two sfp version of that netgear switch. The crappy fan control and the flawed OS made for a very hateful relationship.
Have gone back to 1ge with a ex2200c12 for the time being. Not sure what will be the next choice, but definitely keeping track of those tiny ones. If this one now even has management we move to the right spot.
Great switch) I like how it goes nowadays.
I have used a usb powered fan to blow a stream of air into the cooling slots beside the SFP+ and over the front of the case to help cool things down. Not prefect but will do while i work on a printed solution to mount a laptop cpu blower cooler to the side of the case.
The interface is an unbranded TP-Link. Or TP-Link branded their interface around this instead.
But the TP-Link switches work well in my opinion, so this should as well.
I have had tp-link switches since over 10 years, and seen dozens but can't see anything in the ui that looks like the tp link ui.
Which one does it remind you?
Realtek chip, so rebrand of Realteks interface from when they made the chips.
@ericjodoin7682 You seem to think you're making sense but you absolutely are not. It's not far from saying that because you can make electric power in a generator with gasoline, you can top your laptop batteries up with diesel fuel. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with this thing or TP-Link, far from it - I'm saying there is something wrong with the way you seem to "reason" about this. Have a good one.
The disadvantage of copper is the power consumption. Would have been interesting to see the difference. Especially when the thing gets that hot!
You'll always notice, but the copper sfp modules are like normally 1.9 to 3w depending on quality/chip it's not massive massive
Love this type of review - looking to upgrade my home network to 10G and don't want to use fiber - house is wired with Cat 6E and I'd like a router with native copper RJ45 10G capabilities without adapters...
You can buy these with 10Gb ethernet ports which is what you should do if that is what you are running. Putting in sfp to rj45 transceiver in that small of case is way too much heat without active cooling.
People didn't believe me network switches were 135W. I believe the first one you showed is such a model.
Increasing speed increases heat. Until the chips catch up and become, through magic of node side reduction, less power hungry and cheaper.
The longer distance SPF+ to RJ45 run a lot hotter than the shorter distance versions. I would NOT feel comfortable with those temps running unattended 24/7... huge fire hazard. The temps are in the 200F range!
I missed where he measured the temps or does this switch report SFP+ temps in one of the screen recordings?
I also prefer native RJ45 versus SFP+ wherever possible in a home network. Juggling compatibility, overheating, additional cost, much lower signal lengths, etc. is just too compromise, which can't offset the potential future gain of "one day, I might buy something that uses SFP+ natively".
To clarify in case anyone doesn't understand the hyperbole: 200F (93C) for an IC or anything metal is not *truly* a fire hazard, but I get what you mean: it's hot. Nothing here is flammable: these copper transceivers just overheat → throttle or throw errors. Not a physical safety problem (even paper only burns at 451F / 233C).
@@ikjadoon These temps are not reported, they occur only in the SFP+ convertor. Using a temp laser you can measure it (and I have).
There are several different branded versions of this same switch. LACP 802.3AD doesn't work properly with the 1.7 firmware (fixed in th 1.9 firmware). Management is basic. Vlans work. Haven't had time to test other features, but have deployed one and its been running well for a few months.
They have 8x2.5gbe and 2x 10gbe (managed and not) for reasonable prices.
Thanks! I have the Zyxel XMG1915-10E on my whistlist, 8 x 2.5 and 2 SFP+, fort around € 180, would love to see you opinion on / review of this! It would be so much more convenient if the 2x10Ge ports on these 'home' switches would have a copper option!
Forgive my ignorance, but by the time we buy the switch and then 2 of the SFP-RJ45 modules....aren't we getting close to the price of a lower-end (QNAP, TP-Link) brand name native 4x2.5G + 2x10G RJ45 port switch already anyway?
I have the SODOLA 8 Port 2.5G Switch,1 10G SFP Slot,60Gbps Switching Capacity for 9 months and is solid. Just wish these were managed!
I have both the Sodola and Nicgiga 8 port switches for about 5 months now, and I agree. Rock solid and a lot of bang for the buck. I use them with Moca 2.5 and didn't have to run any new cables to upgrade to 2.5 on my home network (except patch cables to the switches).
These are so affordable its almost madness. Nearest I can find from a brand is Dlink or Qnap 4+2 both unmanaged at around £160. There's a few 2.5gb only branded unmanaged at maybe £100. For home use its a no brainer.
I got the unmanaged 5 port version for a tricky location (even cheaper at sub 50 nicker)
I needed a switch that could handle a combination of 10/100/1000/2500 speeds on different ports. Not a lot of 2.5GbE switches go down to speeds lower than 1GbE, certainly not the Zyxel MG-105 or the Netgear MS305, but this one does, and uses less power to boot!
I'm not utilizing the SFP port, so I've got:
1 x 10MbE
2 x 1GbE
1 x 100MbE
1 x 2.5GbE Uplink
All auto-sensing and working fine.
As per the review, this might not be for your mission critical network infrastructure projects, but for home/home office/hobby use I can't really fault it.
I got the same one, got my nas with an intel 520 connected with a DAC the rest of the network is 2.5G.
But like always mine has a different color and it from a different brand got it for 64 euro's from Amazon.
Hit 288Mb over the 2.5g ports from my nas.. perfect.. better then my old 1G :P (since my hd's only go at 250 is cool)
They says 60Gbit capable but i think its more like 40
To clarify, is it 30 Gbps full-duplex (which switch manufacturers call 60 Gbps) or is it only 20 Gbps full-duplex?
Switching capacity is measured, somewhat confusingly, the opposite of Ethernet. Ethernet is always quoted as full-duplex, so a switch with 4x 1 GbE ports has 4 Gbps full-duplex. But because switches handle both input & output simultaneously, they write it as 8 Gbps (which means each port can handle 1 Gbps ingress & 1 Gbps egress simultaneously, so, yes the switch itself can handle 8 Gbps of simultaneous traffic).
Does it come with any backdoors?
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What options we have that are somewhat affordable and have copper 10gb ports?
I have only 2 things in 2.5GbE, my computer and my qnap NAS, and for my computer Asus manage to put a defective 2.5GbE card in the motherboard... I can't wait for the year 2000 so that we have cars that fly and 2.5Gbe/s ports in our devices.
Would you be able to figure out which chipset is in this thing? Would love to run something like OpenWRT on it...
Can you run 2 of those switches on the same network? There was a cheap switch that used the same MAC address for a run of switches! Doh!
That's absolutely insane. Can you imagine 2x 10GbE in SMB Multichannel? Damn, I wanna get this just to try it out on my network... But then I will need to buy a double port 10GbE PCI-E card for my PC... ugh.
I'm just impressed overall how we managed to move from dumb as brick 5 port 10mbps switch from 00s to this screaming monstrosity whilst retaining the price.
I have both the Sodola and Nicgiga 8 port 2.5 and SFP+ switches on my home network. The only problem I had was an old TiVo device that was only 100 megabits ethernet. I had to put back my old netgear gig switch on the network to support that. I also used the Sodola SFP+ that only supports 2.5, since my home office needed that extra interface. I use Moca 2.5 and it is rock solid and just plug and play. I just recently replaced my 2014 R7000 router with a WiFi 7 router that supports the higher speeds (Google fiber is busy running fiber and I can't wait until I can actually sign up). Synology on the other hand sucks since my DS423+ still is limited to 1 gig interfaces. Less than 1 year old, and I want to replace it already. So far, the cheap 2.5 switches and Moca 2.5 really rock.
I hate that Synology won't upgrade its interfaces to 2.5 GbE even on higher-end models, but I know they are desperately trying to figure out how to manufacture 2.5 GbE software license unlocks to sell to us at some point. They won't give us $0.01 in hardware without some 200% upcharge, unfortunately.
If the DSxx4 (2024) versions don't include 2.5 GbE across most / all of the lineup, I don't think I'll consider Synology again. They don't offer enough utility to be so cheap with network interfaces. Even the QNAP TS-216G ($239 MSRP) now has 1x 2.5Gbe + 1x 1GbE native: no upgrades, no little add-in cards, no license costs. And, of course, enough CPU grunt to handle ~290 MB/s reads & writes.
@@ikjadoon I just put in for the Kickstarter UGREEN NASync DXP6800 Pro 6-Bay. More expensive than the DS423+, but far more capable. I delayed until I found out it would support different operating systems, I just wish it had ECC.
Failure rate is going to be high - failure rate doubles every 10C junction temperature.
At this price point this device is using commercial grade, not MILSPEC.
Mounting this for max airflow will help.
Does it support Management over ssh, SNMP versions, firmware updates?
Wish it had a few more 10G ports... my fiber provider swisscom delivers 10Gb so I'm looking for a good 10Gb firewall and switches.
Thanks for the review of this 2.5gb managed switch. Can you advise if you are able to turn off EEE(Energy Efficient Ethernet) on this switch.
Reason I ask is live in UK and use Virgin Media as my ISP. There Hub 5 supports 2.5gb and been using an unmanaged 2.5gb switch. However Virgin have done a software update on the hub and I can no longer use the 2.5g option on my Virgin hub to connect to my switch as. Seems I need to be able to turn off EEE for it to work and can’t do this on unmanaged switch. Have been looking for managed switch which will turn off EEE but cheapest I could find was over £200, so If this £60 switch will let me turn off EEE, it’s a winner for me. Sorry for long comment. Thanks for all your content am new to NAS and you are helping make my decision as to which to get. Nick
Well got one and EEE was disabled as standard. So now getting access to the 2.5gb port on the Virgin Media hub. Using Speedtest, I jumped from 891 to 1140 download speed on my PC. Using the 2.5gb port. Can’t test the nas yet as still deciding on the one I want.
However when I choose, now have the network to support it fully.
I think the SODOLA 8 Port 2.5G Ethernet Switch for £70 is a much better deal for home users
What sfp 10g rj45 copper adapters are compatible ? Besides sodola brand? Need cheap working ones from Amazon
I have some experience as UI developer with channel-grade network equipment and industrial PC. This UI is fine - it`s allow you setup switch, what do you need above it? Yes, its old-fashioned, but it maddens for Linux console users. I don't care if it does they job well.
Found the exact same switch for £40 on Aliexpress
How is the power consumption? I don't want a network switch that uses more power than my hypervisor.
Skip to the chapters. It's between 1.1 and 10.2W (base level 1 connection to full saturation)
Is that wattage while active? Would it be so high if everything on the network was just chilling, or even off.
looking to use one of these just so my pc can talk to the nas, everythign else is 1gbe at best
can i plug an sfp gpon onu like LEOX LXT-010S-H to this switch instead of using a media converter?
I wonder about their security, how good (or bad) they withstand hacker-attempts.
Now bur especially in the future when a vulnerability is being discovered. (such as recently yet another Apache vulnerability, such as CVE-2023-38709.
(out of 2279x ones also found too)
Where I assume the firmware should be upgradable/updatable, otherwise would be a huge no to me.
Security is only as good as your last update ....
The software looks fine to me. If it can do VLANs and port isolation, that is about as much as you need 99% of the time from a L2 switch.
Copper like a normal person 😂 I wish I knew what the hell sfp is. When I buy cat6e ethernet cables online are they copper or fibre? Is that what you’re referring to?
Sfp is a different plug type. Your cat 6e has RJ45 connectors rather than sfp. RJ45 is copper. SFP+ can support fiber or copper I believe. You'd know if you were buying Fibre. Your wallet would ask WTF you're doing 😅
@@kenwilliams3279 That's exactly right. Luckily, all of these switches also come in RJ45-only version, but it may be a different OEM.
Just to clarify: SFP is 1G only. SFP+ is 10G.
And, exactly, SFP & SFP+ can both be converted to either fiber (many types) or RJ45. However, it is not _as_ good as a native RJ45 solution because 1) the SFP+ to RJ45 conversion is a lot of power in a very tiny module (expect 70C, 80C, 90C on the external bit sticking out-it's like touching a hot pan) and this can quite a headache in a fanless switch (many vendors will not support / don't recommend 2x SFP+ to RJ45 modules right next to each other unless you add active cooling), 2) SFP+ to RJ45 do not support the full 100m cable length that RJ45 native can, unless you pay $100+ per transceiver (the module) and most models are limited to just 30m. They also can be dicier with 10G, as this counts as another termination that weakens the signal. 3) SFP+ compatibility can be a little tricky; not every SFP+ module works in every SFP+ switch. 4) Some 10G SFP+, especially first-gen modules (plenty still on the market), may only support 1G or 10G, meaning they cannot scale to 2.5G nor 5G, so unless everything always works at 10G, you're back to 1G speeds, unfortunately.
Now, there are "better" modules: the newer 80-meter rated (still short of the 100 meter RJ45 standard) modules often run cooler at shorter (30m) cable lengths because they don't need to max their output power. But the older 30-meter rated ones are pushing well over 2W (which, when concentrated in a 1-2" of exposed metal, can leave a nice little burn unless you're careful).
That is, if you don't expect to run fiber soon, go with RJ45 and use cooler, more compatible, and simpler RJ45-native switches and use nice CAT6 or CAT6a cabling to avoid all these headaches. Only in exceptional cases of likely-going-fiber-in-a-year or unshielded-Ethernet-next-to-loads-of-AC-wiring, then consider SFP+ with fiber. Problematically, some vendors (ahem, Ubiquiti) won't use 10G RJ45 and expect you to fork over another $65 to buy a worse-than-native SFP+ to 10G RJ45 adapter, so SFP+ has gained some unfortunate popularity even for people running 100% copper. However, luckily, other vendors have recognized SFP+ for home usage has always been a handicap.
I think I'd avoid running a 10GBase-T SFP+ module in this switch. The power required to run 10GBase-T for it's distance requirement and it's heat generation is a big negative on those types of connections. If you have to run 10GBase-T I'd get a actively cooled switch. Passive DAC/TwinAX which is lower power draw and much less heat but subsequently much shorter runs will be the way to go with this switch if you can do it. Put this switch on a desk between the NAS at 10G DAC, main desktop at 10G DAC or uplink to other switch with 10GBase-SR fiber SFP+ module and other desktops or WAP's on the 2.5G ports. Considering the vast majority of 2.5G/10G switches in this price bracket are unmanaged, the Web interface looks like it's got enough features for most prosumer / homelab users.
Why does the seagulls fly over the sea? Because if they fly over the bay they would be bagels.
take you 'like' and GET OUT!
bought one this week and works pretty well, used a ethernet sfp 6com and got so d*mn hot XD, was trying to update firmware but can´t find the support page, can anyone share the link? Regards!
The video mentions that the switch supports link aggregation but I didn't catch a configuration screen for that as the various screens were shown. Does it happen to support MLAG?
MLAG is Multi-chasis Link Aggregation which applies to two or more stacked (virtual or physical) switches where we you create the LAG across the different switches for hardware redundancy. He said the switch supported LAG and at the 7:55 mark you can very briefly see the "Trunk Group Setting" page where it looks like you can create a LAG from multiple ports. Some web managed switches use the name "Trunk Group" for LAG's, an older HP Procurve 1810G I had did that. Trunk can mean different things depending on the vendor. There's very little settings on the page so I'd assume it's a LACP active LAG by default. Normally there's a toggle for the LACP mode on/off/auto.
@@lordcarnorjax8599It would be nice to have confirmation of whether this device supports MLAG.
Seagull OP
Seen these on aliexpress for 30 quid and change
So I can get say 14 of them and replace my 48 port RJ45 switch?
You have 14 outlets to spare?
@@joeyyung911 No. It was a quip about using 14 x 4 ports (less a few to join them up) providing 48 ports available and then replacing the existing 48 port switch.
But it might make sense to buy the 8 SFP one (8 x 10Gb), 8 x SFP to RJ45 adapters and a dual 10Gb expansion card for the Synology and run the high traffic gear through there and link it to the existing 48 port switch.
cool
He could sell anything with that accent!
Pounds (money) is called nicker?
Nicker sometimes, although quid is more widely used in my experience.
I have that one and another 8 (10) port switch from Sodola and they are running awesome so far. Love the price point. But yeah the gui is kinda --- meh... but who cares
I would run unmanaged from a company like this if at all.
I mean, I would trade the web GUI by a CLI. Easily. But four 2.5Gbps, two 10Gbps SFP+ slots, supporting VLANs, trunks, STP, port mirroring, for $65!? That IS a steal and I'm strongly considering becoming a thief myself 🤣
IIRC, I thought these *can* be configured with CLI, but it is not an officially supported method. I think some of them even got ported to OpenWRT. There's some info on the STH forums and OpenWRT forums.
Nice but generic. There are a couple of different configurations of such switches on offer for a couple of quid more. So PoE and management as well as a few more ports can be had for not much more. I have one similar to the model here (albeit a dumb switch) and it’s a nice bit of kit. Quick and dirty gets the job done, Bob’s your Uncle.
Why not mention the brand names or links to the better alternatives?
@@utooboobnoobThe better bands are Ubiquiti, Microtik, old Brocode, Cisco, Lucient,... the brands are at least 1.5 times more expensive, but they are more reputable companies who probably have better warranty support. (It will be a few years before we know if these small rebranded sellers last. So far I've emailed one with a question (LACP) and got a response quickly)
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65 nicker and not pants, whats not to like!
I also hate seagulls. They don't even taste nice,
So much to unpack in this comment *chef's kiss*
"Listen boy. Someday when you are older, you could get hit by a boulder. While you're lying there screaming: come help me please! The seagulls poke your knees."
...then you're cooking them wrong 😂
7:49 Why can't they ever learn to spell in China, "Not Memeber"?
its 100 pounds now
Talks too fast with an accent.
The software looks very much like the standard TP-link 🫣