NVIDIA Has Overrun the Market
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NVIDIA is absolutely everywhere. They've flooded-out competition in the gaming space for years, and we wouldn't be surprised if NVIDIA applies a similar total market assault to AI or other sectors. Today though, we're focusing on how NVIDIA has overrun AMD (and, to a less observable extent, of course Intel Arc) in the gaming GPU business. #NVDA has been stretching some of its launch timelines and overlapping its GPU generations more lately, and we think they might be using the prior generation to fulfill the low-end market for the current options. This video makes a number of judgment calls on analyzing data over about 14 years for NVIDIA vs. AMD launches, embargo dates, and prices. We cannot perfectly encapsulate everything because it requires subjectivity to determine which cards qualify for analysis, but we think this gives a good overall picture.
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Updated the title: It was "NVIDIA Has Flooded the Market" (meaning to overrun or overwhelm with options, as they've done). Some pointed out that this has a specific economic meaning with a specific definition. Updated for that reason. Thanks!
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - NVIDIA Flooded the Market
02:11 - Checking for Confirmation Bias
04:16 - NVIDIA's Media Strategy
07:21 - NVIDIA vs. AMD Marketshare
09:20 - Counting Methodology & Choices
11:48 - NVIDIA Generational Duration & Time Between
16:05 - AMD Generational Duration & Time Between
17:19 - Launch Strategy Comparison
21:05 - Price Comparison & Increase
22:46 - Inflation Adjustment
23:09 - Conclusion
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Updated the title: It was "NVIDIA Has Flooded the Market" (meaning to overrun or overwhelm with options, as they've done). Some pointed out that this has a specific economic meaning with a specific definition. Updated for that reason. Thanks!
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I saw the big lidless green eyes engulf in melting connectors
Advertising Marketing Fraud !!!
Your Walmart comparison is way WORSE than you state. Both AMD cards are sponsored advertisements and not native selections. Without the sellers paying, those two would not even be there.
Think of AMD made new cards that can massively compete in RT. They could rebrand Radeon to Rayeon. I think it could help boost interest.
From @9:44 until 10:30, there is a sound issue (noisy background ?)
This phenomenon is referred to as "shelf terrorism" in certain circles. It's very common with candy brands in the United States. For example, Reese's makes about a dozen variants of essentially the same candy in order to expand their presence on store shelves. If a store designates five shelves for candy, Reese's products can easily take up an entire shelf. But all of that candy is virtually the same thing. It's the laziest illusion of choice you'll ever see. And stores can't refuse any Reese's variant products without being cut off from the primary product, which simply isn't an option.
I noticed this happening in the big supermarkets with hot sauces. They all ended up with the three big brands, tabasco , nandos and another one i can't remember, the superior local brands were forced off the shelf.
Wow! Great comment and super interesting comparison. Makes sense too. Supplier agreements and all. Thank you for posting!
kinda is, but also because nvidia produces around 3-4 times more gpu's than amd, with consoles already in the equation, amd doesn't have the allocation to keep up with the same gigantic amount of stock that nvidia has, so AIBs have like 14 models of the same gpu on nvidia, while amd has like 14 models with all their aibs combined for a model.
Add that in NA gpus do sell at msrp, and most of nvidia and amd models have very similar pricing, so people will orbit the nvidia sku when it's just barely more expensive.
Thermalright anyone?
There's no good reason why doing that should be legal. (I mean the forcing of having all variants of the product)
Kind of to Gordon's point, it feels like Nvidia has a 75% market share, and AMD as a 75% comments section share.
Yep! One is more real and consequential
because nvidia spends money on the marketing, whereas amd instead sell their cards cheaper so interested people see its better (value)
AMD currently has a 100% market share in my PC 😂
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j 75% comment section mob spotted.
Even in the comment sections, AMD has less than 75%. But the thing is that most people don't give a damn about what commenters have to say online. They go to store and buy something, which leans Nvidia. The most they'll check online is a review from a big outlet. I only bother with other commenters because sometimes they're so blatantly wrong and/or I have the time to waste.
I do find it funny how I recently sat my economics final exam and there was a question around the monopoly of Nvidia and chips haha
Is it their fault they are making such an amazing product
Google pushes reddit on their search pages thanks to the AI deal with reddit. Nvidia pays to put their products first at Amazon, Best Buy, etc.
Nividia can also buy more shelf space at retailers.
I miss EVGA more and more everyday
Agreed; my current GPU is an EVGA RTX 3080 and I don't really plan on upgrading any time soon and there isn't anything (that I see currently) that's worth upgrading too anyway. AMD still lagging behind and Nvidia can go to hell.
want to buy my EVGA 3060ti?
@@MechanicalX1 20-25% slower than an RTX 4090 in raster for less than 50% the price, is not what I would consider "lagging behind".
@@TheHunt890😂
@@TheHunt890 I mean in overall software/updates/etc; if I was to upgrade (or if my current broke and I had no choice) the 7900 XTX would be my first choice but ultimately I’ll wait to see what the next generation brings.
Flooded markets and yet no reasonable prices. I hate modernity.
They provide the value even at exorbitant prices especially the whole CUDA ecosystem.
There are reasonable prices...from AMD
That’s because board partners and retailers each only get single digit gross profit margins. There’s no room for retailers or board partners to compete on price while still making enough gross profit to cover overhead costs.
@@jeo228just pick up an 6800xt for 299$
there is no such thing as 'good value' when monopoly/ oligopoly runs the market , it's guaranteed, though you are being exploited and extorted @@ask_carbon
In the early 2000's, a private computer shop owner told me that he had to sell a certain percentage of Intel CPU or else, he would not be able to order as many as he needed/wanted. The giant companies are all bullies and their success, their huge market shares, are not due only to having the best product nor the ones that are wanted. I remember the Radeon 9700 Pro after ATI bought Artx. That card was far, VERY FAR ahead of anything nVidia had and their FX cards were pathetic in comparison. The 9700 Pro had serious 2nd gen of shaders (dx9) capacites and the FX series were ok for the demos on their website and it's about it. The low end, the FX 5200, was a pure joke. Guess what? Most people didn't want it and they wanted the shitty card with the green logo. There was none in store, I had to buy it online on NCIX. I had a 9800 and that thing last me 4 years before I started to feel the need for another one. I was running Far Cry maxed out at 1024x768 while others were only dreaming about it.
True
I remember that too. Nvidia really screwed up with that FX line. I switched from using an older Nvidia card to the 9800 Pro myself.... It was far superior to the Nvidia cards. There has been a few times where AMD has managed to score a coup with a superior card or an awesome exclusive feature like Eyefinity but lately unfortunately Nvidia has been dominating the market.
The market bullying is part of why I don't buy Intel or Nvidia.
@@klfjoat My other reason is social security doesn't pay enough for me to spend an entire month's pay on just one component.
The 5800 ultra aka the dustbuster aka the card Nvidia literally pretends never existed. When the 9700pro caught 'em with their pants down.
An interesting time for sure. I remember them using driver level cheats in benchmarks and STILL being slower.
ATI (now AMD) was dominant for a while there. Everyone bought ATI cards for a few generations.
It's what AMD NEEDS to do again. They need to be going after the 5090 not the 5080. Take the top spot. It trickles to the bottom. During that same 9700pro era people were also buying 9500pros.
Was also a mod you could do to potentially unlock the extra vram bandwidth on the 9500pro to turn it into a 9600pro or something. I forget.
UK-based mainstream retailer Argos has 41 GPUs listed on its app / site and only 5 are AMD…
They offer one RX 6600, one 7800 XT, one 7900 XT, and two 7900 XTX…
But they have 15 variants of the 4060 😳
Sainsbury's sells GPU's ??🤨
@@ronald666mcdonaldyou think that is weird I'm wondering what McDonald's wants with gpus
@@ronald666mcdonald Argos does, but not in stores - they are all delivery only.
@@ronald666mcdonald Walmart sells GPUs, is it surprising that Argos/Sainsbury's does too?
thats my problem with picking a nvidia gpu, there so many variants thats im like wtf and they are basically all the same.
Seeing dozens of +1000 dollar gpus make me chuckle
I mean... even fries now are almost $10, inflation sucks.
@@misakamikoto8785 It's not inflation. It's corporate greed. Period.
@@hatchetman3662It's a combination of both. If you are ignoring inflation, you are just lying to yourself.
@@Elc22tbf, inflation doesn’t make the price almost double.
Most of those are 3rd party resellers, aka money laundering store fronts.
This is exactly I never sort store pages by reccomend or most popular, I've always been dubious of how those sorting filters are implemented.
Recommended or featured are sometimes (as we understand it) paid spots as well, or preferred spots on Amazon where money may exchange hands. Sorting by price seems like it should be fairly objective as long as it's just a "dumb" filter that literally only sorts by price.
@@GamersNexus trouble with sorting by prices is that there's usual a couple dozen pages of $1.00 crap.
Even searching by using the GPU category filter: you'll usually end up with multiple pages of cheap accessories....then a bunch of used/refurbished products that are suspicious *and then* at some point you'll start seeing cheap GPUs (that are multiple generations out of relevance)
Search & sort allows customers to save money, there's no profit in allowing customers to find what they want at a price they can afford! (God I feel dumb for writing that, but you KNOW it's been said by c-suite staff)
on pcpartpicker y always select by cheaper and then in my mind see what better about price-perfomance by everything
Sorting by popularity amplifies that popularity. Things that are popular stay popular because they're popular (if that makes sense). However, that popularity doesn't necessarily equal quality/bang-for-bucks.
Ofc AMD themselves enjoys this benefit in the cpu space. But I do agree
This goes all the way back to when AMD bought ATI. AMD didn't buy ATI for their discrete GPU's (contrary to popular belief). They bought ATI for their chipset technology. AMD's entire focus was on competing with Intel with their APU's. Discrete GPU's were an afterthought for AMD. And here we are today. No marketing, no competition through innovation, and no more CrossFire.
I blame all of this mess on ATI for selling. The Canadian government should have blocked the sale.
It was so much more simple when you had just a few 'gaming' and 'professional' graphics cards. Low, Mid, Enthusiast class, and then you had the "i need to show picture on monitor" entry level GPU's. Now each level has 4-5 GPU's...
It's even worse in the Machine Learning market. They basically have a monopoly on machine learning chips/cards.
And software. Almost nothing doesn't mandate CUDA - and there's no good reliable way to run CUDA on AMD, Intel or others (zluda is on the way, but isn't reliable yet, and reportedly abandoned - though I doubt forks will be abandoned for long)
I went with 7900xtxs when the AI hype started; I've fought through every workaround/model conversion.
I should have just bought the 4090s: My 7900s were half the price but, years later, I've spent that much (in time), and then some.
Having the 7900s around for gaming boxes kind-of makes up for the loss, but it still sucks that AMD cannot catch up- as anyone, who's seen geohotz struggle, can confirm: they have the hardware, they just (as usual with AMD) don't know how to write drivers for it.
This made my stake very happy
The same thing goes in productivity and especially rendering. Vendor lock-in for NVIDIA GPUs was a guarantee since CUDA became a thing. NVIDIA was chopping away at Radeon GPU sales way before machine learning even became a thing due to the applications and features their cards had outside of games.
@@luminatrixfanfiction You are mad, insane
Sales background here, that Mere-exposure is applicable to almost anything! Its why persistent ads are so effective. You may not want that thing at the moment of seeing the ad. You may even actively dislike it or curse it. But when consumers come to the moment where they want a product in that category they'll choose the one they've been overexposed to WAY more. It's why targeted ads are so effective and sought after!
Edit: I have now adjusted some abbreviation, spelling, and grammar errors to better meet the CZcams comment section perfection standard.
Thanks for sharing your direct experience! Always great to read stuff like this from people in the relevant field.
@@The-Cattell us more about your knowledge of women.
yea, that doesn't work the way you think it does, because ads have only ever made me hate companies and refuse to ever buy their products
@@stunlord It's not about what you or I think. This is just how it works statistically.
@@The-Cat No, that works on everyone that's not a cheap bastard
The only way to avoid it is to actually test all your options to find your preferred "sku" if you are deciding on a consumable (like food) or to do price/performance analysis before every buy for persistent items (remember to ignore userbenchmark's descriptions and only use the numbers if you use that website, either they get paid or they really like the taste of green dick 😅 )
Most people don't do any of that, so most people will just pick the easiest thing
Shouldn't unfamiliar things draw the eye more? Yes, but people are also lazy (blame evolution) and you know nothing about a new thing, but that card you heard about is 69% faster 'cause triple RGB! Faster than what with triple what? Who cares, stop asking complicated questions
Do you really wanna waste all that time READING D: about this new thing?
Of course not, just pick the 69% faster one and let's get out of here
A factor that is often overlooked is how the third world fits into this. Now I can't speak for every country, but at least for mine, Nvidia is easily the most available brand for GPUs and that is because finding AMD is very hard to do and usually way overpriced as there aren't any local official retailers, just resellers who import AMD products, contrary to Nvidia who has reached out to ensure having their products available in local stores. So everyone I know here, me included, has only ever used Nvidia even if there was a desire to try something else out, entirely due to availability alone. And I don't know if I can claim that that's on Nvidia flooding our local market as much as it is on AMD just failing to even attempt to expand.
With EVGA exiting the GPU market, I plan on buying my first AMD card ever.
I’ll stop calling GN a CZcams-Channel or media outlet. You’ve become journalists. The attention to detail and the standards you and your team adhere to are outstanding.
Don't insult GN by comparing them to the mudslingers & corporate mouth pieces that call themselves journalists! Gamer's Nexus is competent & has actual integrity! 😂❤
Don't lump GN with the word journalist. They're better than modern "journalists" who spew anything but the facts.
nice upgrade Lol
Investigative Journalism
I meant journalism the way it should be. How it used to be. The old stuff, you know? Fourth Estate.
I feel like ads these days are heavily reliant on the "mere exposure" effect, because the quality of modern advertising is the lowest it's ever been.
Back in the 90s advertising focused on subliminal methods were illegal here in Poland.
But over time they were becoming more and more prevalent and harder to fight in court (mostly due to corruption in our court system) and today they are just the norm.
Marketing and Advertising. All lies and BS. Just like politics. A waste of time energy and space.
@@KnEpH131 The problem is that it isn't a waste of time or energy for the companies, because it works exactly as intended.
@@nickdibart Money for Nothing
Even in GPU ads?
Kudos to MP 🤟🏼! This was grueling, informative and fun.
Happy to hear some parts that he made his own. Both Danny and Mike are drummer's drummers, which makes this episode uniquely interesting.
Add to it that the song is gorgeous and impossible, and you get a unique experience on learning a song.
Thank you Mike and drumeo for this!
9:45 That fan whirling up is actually Steve's brain starting to overheat and the fans have kicked in. Time for some fresh thermal paste Steve.
I suggest liquid metal
In New Zealand, we have only ONE major PC parts retailer that sells any real selection of AMD Radeon GPU's, with 23 Radeon and 109 NVIDIA Skus. One other PC retailer has 6 Radeon and over 100 NVIDIA. Two of the more "Premium" PC parts retailers, don't even sell consumer AMD Radeon cards (they used to).
What I find funny though, is that despite AMD's massive up-hill battle to have the Radeon GPU's seen, buried under the pages and pages of NVIDIA products, they still manage to make up around half of the top 10 sellers at the largest retailer... Makes me wonder why the smaller retailers don't sell them...
Turn around time of sale as most of us want NVIDIA. for a small retailer they don't have huge working capital and wants churn of money quicker
@@r0N1n_SD That does make sense. But to not even stock a single AMD card, even one of the more popular Skus that regularly trade blows with NVIDIA's best sellers at our largest retailer, seems sus
Well if you have 200 sales split between 23 cards vs 1000 sales split between 109 cards, it's not surprising that some of the AMD cards would show up as top sellers. The overall sales volume probably just isn't enough for the smaller shops to justify carrying the less popular cards.
@@nimbulan2020 Also an excellent point!
Such lovely civil discourse in this thread. ❤
at 9:45 steve gets so into his GPUs that you can hear his cooling fans spinning up
pretty sure that's a garbage truck outside their office? tho it caught me off guard as well lol
@@blanknam3d The beeps strongly suggest it, as far as I know cooling fans don't beep 😄
My 3070ti was a direct replacement for my 1070ti, which was a direct replacement for my AMD r9 290x 8gb. These graphics cards lasted and did for me what I needed. Some people turn over more of their GPUs . My 290x replaced my two ATI radeon 6700 1gb .
This was the problem for me- availability when I needed a GPU.
I wish I could afford a video card. I'm running an Nvidia 650 Ti. I bought it for around $110 some years back. Now, something in that same budget tier is gonna run me $250. Being poor blows... At least I can still play minecraft on this thing.
A second hand 1070 or similar could run you like $100 or less now
10 series and even 20 series cards are way more affordable now. Just saw a 1080ti on facebook marketplace for 75$. You have options to upgrade that arent brand new
I still can't believe we have $2K gaming cards xD.
I thought $800 was already really high.
To be fair most people dont need card higher performant than those 800$ cards so they expand the market to the top instead down since AMD cant compete in the top
I thought when the original titan came out that was insane
Honestly you don't need to spend that much to play video-games. Unless you make actual money from your GPU spending this much is ludicrous in my honest opinion.
@@Alpine_flo92002 But that doesn't change that TOP was $800. 1080Ti was like $750? We went to fucking $2k on flagship cards...
The problem is that the 4090 is an extremely budget friendly workstation card or an expensive halo card.
Remember that AMD was 100% convinced that the 7900XT would be a good seller at 900$. Let's not keep pondering wether they are strategic geniuses when it comes to product segmentation
Of Nvidia had done it it would have been called a good deal.
With the position they are in they should be undercutting all their prices by $100 flat period if they don't wanna get horsewhipped out of the GPU space altogether
@@ZontarDow this is actually true. People started out hating the prices of the 40 series cards, but began to accept them and even like the pricing.
@@thrace_bot1012 They should've pulled out when they released the RX 480. Historically they've been weak sellers, even with superior performance numbers. There's a video by Adored tv that goes over their history. Keep in mind this is before the 6000 series ever came out.
@@ArtisChronicles yeah and there is a sickness called Stockholme syndrone... thing these prizes are normal is absurd just look at there profit. They milk everbody as much as they what and people clap for them.
I feel like Vega and Radeon VII should have been grouped together as these both had Vega GPUs and they were on the GCN 5.0 and 5.1 architectures. On the other hand Radeon 500 had Polaris GPUs and was on the GCN 4.0 architecture and Radeon 5000 had Navi GPUs and was on the RDNA 1.0 architecture.
23:35 "F U Nvidia!"
"Sir, this is a restaurant..."
In your last collab with Wendell you said you would do a commercial/enterprise SSD test on a gaming pc, please do it. Thanks for the great content!
Still love that idea! He spoke very highly of the latency reduction being perceivable and I want to see it! We're in regular contact and will likely do that next time he visits or I visit him!
second this, I love the collabs with Wendell
@@GamersNexusdo more stuff with wendell! he made you guys one of the nicest websites online right now
Bump! Would love to see this because I need to upgrade my drives for my AM5 platform
Go for it Steve, that would be a such a nice video and also an interesting take for Gaming for your wide audience.
AMD is on most pc channels the GPU THAT IS BEEN USED in builds. Maybe make an even use of brand in these builds would be a Lot better. I use AMD for as long g as they excist. The new cards and drivers are great.
At roughly the 10 minute mark, did it start raining at your studio? I started to hear a background noise that resembles it :P
No, that's the sound of Nvidia flooding the market.
Jensen: The thing is that they're not gonna say no, they’d never say no…because of the implication.
Oh, are ok. You had me going there for the first part but the second half it kinda threw me.
Are you going to hurt these consumers?
@@DeepThinker193 That seems really dark.
(The implication being that AMD drivers will crash your game in the middle of an important online match or something.)
@@MaxwellTornado No, the implication is that Jensen will unleash the basilisk in Nvidias basement and bring about the end of humanity if AMD's market share ever surpasses them. Why else would they be going so deep into AI? They must feed the beast.
This is exactly why I miss retail. You can rearrange the boxes but you can’t hide one brand behind another. Long live Best Buy!
BB is not dead yet. The heck are you talking about? lol
My go-to was CompUSA! RIP long long ago...
@@2fast4allwhen was the last time you saw an enthusiast builder walk into a big box store to buy components by physically putting things into a cart
@@GamersNexus Mine used to be Frys, loved that place :(
@@davidscann I didn't even do that with my first ever build back in 2003... it was all newegg and tiger direct
Both companies are making so much off of AI that gaming revenue tanking simply doesn't matter to them.
I really liked this video and found it to be an extremely interesting dive into not only the GPU market, but marketing in general.
I have walked into IT shops and they had NO AMD cards at all, here in south africa. they simply don't stock them...
It's the same in smaller stores in western Europe. It's basic economics, why buy something in bulk, risking a lot of capital, to put something on your shelves that almost no one will buy?
Selling tech is risky, margins are often thin and if it stays on the shelve too long newer stuff comes out and you have to (heavy) discount it.
At least @evetech stocks them like Crazy
yeah i don't buy from evetech for years now. they don't honour the warranty on products they sell
Steve: "nvidia is everywhere"
Me: Then the prices MUST go down
Nvidia: ...
Title aside (and I realize you’re probably joking), this video ended up just saying that NVIDIA has more SKUs-not that NVIDIA has actually flooded the market with more GPUs, so prices would not be effected
Well no because they are close to turning their Oligopoly into a monopoly. If they own 80% of the market they can basically do what they want with their prices and other companies charging cheaper prices would actually hurt them because consumers would think of them as a "cheap" brand only reenforcing Nvidia's market presence.
Lol when they control the majority of the market share why would they ever lower prices?
They have a monopoly essentially, until AMD can offer a product similar (ray tracing and decent upscaling would be a start) AMD live in the green shadow, they are forced to sell their GPUs for less coz they are not as good (although NVIDA could learn something from AMD’s vram on their lower end cards.
@@George-um2vceven if AMD catches up with that. Nvidia has no need to drop prices. Their gpus are used for much more than simple games. AMD isn't.
NVIDIA's long running market share has created an ecosystem of relative stability that AMD doesn't fully enjoy.
I went AMD on my previous PC and Laptop and suffered many of the classic driver and applications issues. Back to Intel and NVIDIA for the most recent desktop and those issues are gone.
I felt the urge to prop AMD up to help create balance, but that's also expensive...
In the price comparison & increase chart, it would've been interesting to see a third line (in yellow or whatever) that's inflation over time offset into a starting point between the green and red lines' 2010 points to compare the slopes of the three (or just have a different graph for the slopes withthe same starting Y starting point for all three).
In Europe, in Poland, Nvidia and Intel provide cards for pre-launch testing. However, local AMD branches usually do not have any cards to send for testing. Therefore, testers-reviewers have to order/buy Radeons from online stores only after the premiere, but then the real availability of Radeons in stores is practically negligible anyway.
AMD has console gaming they don't need the PC market
@@RipliWitani Nvidia has the Switch
@@RipliWitani This is a level of cope that needs to be studied. And if you truly believe that... there's no use arguing.
@@RipliWitaniPC gamers need AMD, even if they don't buy AMD
I just want to say I rarely ever comment on videos. I want to thank the GN team for the work on this video. I recently graduated with my bachelor's degree in marketing. I have dome research for classes and my undergrad research regarding this situation. It is refreshing to see a channel being analytical in not only performance but also market presence. It is becoming increasingly difficult for competitors to find space in market that is saturated with NVIDIA. NVIDIA has been able to diversify their portfolio with there many SKUs a various different price points for good or bad. This is a perpetual motion machine where when you think GPU most people think NVIDIA. NVIDIA has mastered leveraging their brand and their partnerships. Regardless of how people feel about NVIDIA they are everywhere and people will continue buying them. NVIDIA is longer a graphics card or graphics development company they have become focused on AI and deep learning. How this affects consumers is that they are being upcharged for features they don't need like RTX Ai chatbot or NVIDIA Broadcast. It'll be interesting to see how the market will continue. Thanks again GN crew loved the video.
Thank you so much for the kind words! You're absolutely right on many of these points. And congrats on your recent degree!
@@GamersNexus thank you so much for the congratulations. Keep up the great work!
I used to use RTX Voice before it was rolled into RTX Broadcast and it was pretty good.
My takeaway from this is that Nvidia is simply more professional and consistent in its marketing: it keeps the partners that matter (i.e. Dell rather than EVGA), it doesn't confuse the market with random naming changes, it always has something relevant for a wide range of different price points so that it's rare that it would be a no-brainer to wait for the next generation rather than buying something today, and they and their partners make sure they are competitive in every market.
And that's before we consider technical USPs such as frame generation, ray tracing, video encoding, CUDA, and so on.
Nvidia knows the prices people will pay for its products, and makes sure it has a suitable product for them, which keeps the money rolling in, and keeps the machine running and growing.
I do wonder if Nvidia will one day spin-off its gaming division, as it doesn't really fit with the professional divisions that now make up the majority of its revenue. Of course, I'd expect that division to carry on licensing Nvidia technology, but it would have to stand on its own two feet to secure manufacturing capacity for its products. On one hand, I think that would make life easier for Intel and AMD's gaming GPU divisions, but on the other hand, I think it would play out to be a net disappointment for gamers, in the shape of slower progress and even higher prices.
Please let me know if this is a dumb question, but could we get this same style of video for Intel/AMD cpus?
Very interesting article, thank you for all the time and effort you and your team put into this
I love that you go straight to the point of the title of the video. Very few do that and that is worth mentioning. Thank you so much for that
It's so nice to see a large CZcams channel that still respect's the viewer's time.
You know what...you make an amazing point that I've never put in to words. GN doesn't make sensationalized headlines or click bait. If their title is sensational... it's because the story is sensational.
NVIDIA’s name actually comes from the Roman Goddess Invidia (goddess of envy) with her Greek counterpart(s) being Nemesis/Phtonus (vengeance, envy, jealousy, etc.)
It also works in spanish, since envidia means envy, and they made it easy for spanish speakers to say it, like myself. ah eme de (AMD) is a bit harder to say and sometimes influences purcashing power.
They put AMD in an Nvidious position.
And Asus is from Pegasus if I'm not mistaken so I don't understand why everyone pronounces it wrong
So the perfect name for AMD would be something like "Nemesys."
How exactly?
It’s ubiquitous. Everyone assumes you have an nvidia card. Then you tell them you have an AMD and you hear their disappointed “oh…”
Well the only one to blame are AMD themselves
All AMD needed was a dlss2 alternative like xess
That I personally don't care about. The part that is annoying is people online straight up making things up and trying to make AMD cards sound worse than they are. Some of the claims I've seen on shit hole websites like Reddit and I'm sitting here with my 7900XTX and wondering how they came to those conclusions other than blind fan boyism.
I can't fathom caring about what other people think about the slab of metal and plastic inside your computer 😂😂😂😂
@@junko4166 I don't that's why I got a 7900xtx. I was going to get a 4090 but I didn't want to give nvidia money, not that it matters I guess
Fascinating discussion in nVIDIA market share tracing.
Prices still crazy which is why I still am using my gtx 1080ti
Hate to break it to you but based on this logic you will keep using it forever. 😀
I used a gt 1030 for 5 years because that is all I could afford. I have upgraded in August 2022 to a RTX 3050 because its was 230 dollars during mining and the rx 6000 series cards was super expensive. Im a casual gamer and mostly play single player games, but I do more programming and using some software suite for my hobbies, studying and job. I need cuda so im happy with my card.
The 1080 Ti remains a very competitive card. There will never be another release like it from NVIDIA, because, unfortunately, they learned the wrong lesson from it - that if you release something too good, people hold onto it for a decade instead of buying your crappy new stuff. I've been buying up secondhand 1080 Tis, so that if one of mine does actually fail, I've got spares.
Same here. But I plan to upgrade my monitor soon, so I am looking at GPU prices.
There is nothing that screams value, unlike in CPU sphere where the AMD 3D parts are crazy good. Made the 7800X3D an easy buy.
@@MrSteror I am running 5120x1440 on an OC'ed 1080 Ti. I don't play any of the crappy new AAA games; but, even the demanding stuff I play has been no issue on the 1080 Ti.
Wow the psychology is powerful. I haven't bough an Nvidia GPU in 12 years, but all of a sudden I feel like I'm missing out on something.
However, the marketing psych has it's hard limits. I'd rather miss out on the Nvidia cards then miss out on the $2000.00 in my bank account.
Can get a 4070 super for 600 lol
Uninformed opinion, which makes sense given your history which you described.
Tbh, both amd and nvidia are trying to make u buy their latest products even if u isnt exactly need them so... 300 bucks is still 300 bucks.
Yeah, nvidia only sells $2000 gpus, thats it. Man i bet youve had a fun 12 years being as sour as you are.
This is a very sad way to cope
would love to see some statistics on EU vs USA when it comes to market saturation of different brands of GPUs, to see if it's similar like iOS and Android, where one is preferred over the other in these regions.
excellent work guys
i think you overlooked one important segment of customers
video mostly looks at DIY customers, looking for a GPU, something that's not majority in the market
most probably the biggest part of the market would be prebuilds, i don't believe i found any radeon prebuild ever, for cheaper options? 1650, for better? 3050, high end 4070 and higher
even if you ask someone to make pc that does it profesionally, they will just go with "RTX gpu has Reflex that makes your aiming in games better", even all shadowplay to make videos of your gameplay or nvidia overlay with filters is a selling point, also my console friend liked hands off approach to automated settings adjustment
so even if radeon has way better frame limiter in radeon chill (great for screen tearing on lower end displays), eyefinity that works, even recent Steve's video (HU one) he had problem with RTX 40 series not playing nice with 3 displays, so he went back to 6950xt as a fix... it's all for tinkering type of people that like their custom resolutions and all that, radeon lacks a lot of very casual oriented quality of life features that gives hands off experience
There's also the laptop market where you don't really get a choice of what chips you want on the systemboard, you just get whatever's there.
@@mightylink65 they are kind of similiar, but when i'm looking at prebuilds, they seem to even exclude ryzen, i checked whole "shroud related prebuilds" a few days ago, since i was interested if those are expensive rebrands of existing products, and all maingear pcs are intel + nvidia, i think theres single pc in starforge systems that had ryzen cpu, so if ryzen is hard to come by, then radeon won't be there unless they'd crush nvidia for 2-3 gens in perfromance... which is we know what
Man... imagine if 3Dfx was ran better and didn't sell to Nvidia. What a different landscape we would be looking at.
3dfx ran fine, their problem was they bought in manufacturing instead of remaining fabless and ran out of money. The whole Nvidia argument at the time didn't hold water, the entire GeForce 1-2 generation was completely unnecessary and you could use a TNT 2 or voodoo 3 for ALL GAMES, until dx8. Nvidia is still using the tech demo model to this day to sell hardware, currently being some tiny amount of RTX games like cyberpunk. That's their marketing strategy. NV = Envy. Green. So don't wear a green hat, and yes that's also a reference to something relevant.
Ah yes, 3dfx, proprietary API, 16-bit graphics, horrible product lineup and unwillingness to change. If THEY ran the market today we would still be at on DX9.
@@JohnDoe-ip3oq"GeForce 1-2 completely unnecessary"
GeForce 1 I could agree with but the GeForce 2 was a powerhouse that ran laps around the TNT2. It was a very impactful card.
@@roller4312sounds like when nvidia sold the GeForce 4 MX as a new product when it was a resold overclocked GeForce 2 that didn’t support any modern features and forced game devs to not innovate since they were by far the most popular card
3DFx’s issue was that nvidia had good lawyers and sued them to bankruptcy and then bought them. Had 3DFX invested in lawyers instead of research and development just like nvidia did they’d be here today
13:01 The funny thing about the 900 series, is that Maxwell was actually launched as the GTX 750 / GTX 750 Ti in Spring 2014, and there were 800 series laptop GPUs all based on Maxwell, so this data point is only correct in a narrow view, when looking at the architecture itself, it spans an extra 6 months, and also doesn't include the Switch's/Nvidia Shield Pro's T214 Maxwell GPU which launched in 2019, and has gone on to sell well over 100M units itself (This doesn't include the T210 version of the Switch that launched in Spring 2017).
The funny thing is even this video was more about Nvidia's market share being bigger than the overall landscape of GPU market share. You kind of inadvertantly prooved your own point subconciously. ;P
**Nvidia naming their cards:**
"Ok so we're going to increase the first two numbers by 10 each generaiton. So the 1080 becomes the 2080."
"And then the 3080 after?"
"Correct."
**AMD naming their cards:**
"So our current card is the RX 580 and the one hefore that was the RX 480. Is our next flagship going to be the RX 680?"
"No. Vega 64."
"Oh... Is our next one going to be Vega 65? Vega 128?"
"No. Radeon VII."
"Oh... Is our next card going to he Radeon VIII? Radeon IX?"
"No. RX 5700 XT."
*Flips table and leaves in frustration.*
Edit (Part 2):
"Hey, so... I know I killed a few people here by crushing them with an office table, but it was a tough time and I got better. But what you guys did with the 6000 series launch was excellent. The 6900 XT was a great enthusiast card. So... You guys are releasing the follow-up soon? The 7900 XT?"
"Oh yeah we are, but it's actually called the 7900 XTX."
"... What?"
"Yeah we added another X to the name."
"I thought you guys were releasing the 7900 XT?"
"Oh we are, but it's actually a 6800 XT follow-up."
"I thought that's what the 7800 XT was for."
"Well we have a 7800 XT, but it's not all that more powerful than the 6800 XT, so we're actually making it a follow-up to the 6800."
**In his despair, the man realizes that all of his years of therapy have been wasted.**
I dont get why people care so much about naming schemes, literally just look up any of the thousands of videos on the gpu, not being computer literate isnt an excuse to not research anything at all
@@tyler6602difficult for nothing
@@tyler6602 because your average customer is dumb
AMD naming scheme:
"We don't have any new cards ready this year. So rebadge last year's stuff with the next series number."
Yeah I know what the current nvidia generation is but have no idea what AMD's current card is even named.
Another fun fact is to take a trip into the world of Linux.
Nvidia is a market minoritty when it comes to Linux gamers, and even when viewed across time for a couple of years back, you will see that Nvidia holds a minor position.
This is due to a driver issue and is one of the reasons Valve went to AMD for their Steamdeck.
While it is a small market, it is interesting to see that such a dynamic does exist.
The only downside of amd vs nvidia on linux is your limited to 4k30hz on hdmi, doesnt matter for anyone who uses display port, but it was the first thing i noticed
@@tyler6602 There are a few others, Gamescope requires special handling if you use that, hardware video acceleration doesn't work for any browsers outside of Firefox if you don't tweak.
And of course the more recent Wayland debacle and mess with syncing and flashing game renders.
This is my Nvidia list so far.
Valve went to AMD because AMD is cheap.
What's funny is AMD also used to have terrible linux drivers, there was an era where the roles were reversed even (though nvidia was never great, amd was just worse back in the late 00s)
@@DeinonychusCowboy AMD didn't support Linux for a long time. They did briefly and then they dropped out when they scored a big contract with Microsoft. They licked the boot. Then when that was over they came back. Say what you will about Nvidia but their support has never varied. Once they got on board they stayed on board. Nvidia was the first PC hardware manufacturer to ever support Linux too. DEC was the first but DEC didn't make PCs. And yes hardware acceleration back in the day with Nvidia was great. I was rocking Quake with my MX200 That was in the late 90s. I started running Linux in the mid 90s. They were heady times. World Domination!
You touched upon it briefly in the video, but it's not a trivial point and needs to be emphasised more: a lot of this, such as the number of SKUs, may not necessarily be up to the manufacturers to decide; not all of this can be within your control and is thus part of some grand strategy. A big factor is your manufacturing capability. The number of SKUs for example, can be influenced heavily by yield and binning: if the variability is high, it just makes sense to sell the lower bin chip as a separate SKUs. And you can't necessarily control yield directly. Sometime marketing strategy is complementary to your capability to produce.
A large part can be due to the good old economies of scale: you produce more, marginal cost decreases and you also start to have more options in how you can play the game.
And you mustn't forget the capability to put out a good product is a given: it takes a lot of smart people working together with a lot of funding and some degree of luck to be able to come up with something that is good. It's not like, "oh we need a halo product that is the best GPU on the planet" and the reply will simple be "OK, sure thing. We will get that done in six months no problem." A lot of the people working in Nvidia are very very smart people (some are the smartest people on this very planet), so if the executives in the company keep investing in pushing these people to push the boundaries, is it really a surprise that they keep coming up with viable products?
It would be very interesting to compare the launch plots with what is in actual systems, if there is a source for that data.
"We want value!!!"
*proceeds to drop $2000 on a graphics card*
I don't want value. I want really high performance. I'm not excited about the high prices, but I am excited that Nvidia has decided that super high performance is something they want to offer.
MAN I NEED MY GTA TO RUN AT 4K 160 FPS
I mean, it has happened that the most expensive GPU ironically has the best values. Is very rare but it has happened.
Current prices are still garbage tho.
Yeah, no one who drops 2k on a card is crying about value. That's more people on a budget. I didn't get my 4090 because I was looking for value, I was looking for max performance. I've been a value GPU buyer many times.
@@sebastianandres6802 this is factually incorrect. the 4090 is not 5.3 times better than the 4060 but it sure is 5.3x the price. the best value cards are typically in the $200-400 range and most people dont need to buy anything higher than that unless they really want high fps at 4k
If they've flooded the market, why are prices on used cards still so ridiculously high
Apple tax, idiot tax.
Same reason why apple products are so expensive on the second hand market - supply is high but demand is ALSO always high.
Because they don’t want sound alarm bells to investors. Game of vulcan chess being played. anyway prices will eventually drop slowly. The 4060 12 gig will be sub400 in three months. They’re gonna call it a “hot summer sale” or some such. Or they provide a code to helldivers 2 with the purchase of a card.
@@tonycrabtree3416 What? NVIDIA doesn’t control prices on used cards. They can’t just decide used prices stay high in order to not “raise alarm bells to investors”
@@tonycrabtree3416 Do you mean "3060 12 gig"? The 4060 is 8GB.
Interesting video, back in the 90's I was Intel/Nvidia biased and back then a mid spec PC would go up to $3-5K, it wasnt until 2004 in high school when my good friend Mourice showed me the value of AMD chips when he showed me his AMD Athlon dual core custom PC under $1000 and decimate any game he threw at it with an AGP Radeon Card, back then I had a old Pentium III with a PCI Gforce 4000 MX and it was a night and day diferrence, since then all my PC builds have an AMD CPU/GPU below $1200. That all changed after the Crypto madness and all mid range value GPU's went unobtainium, heck I still remember when I set my first Crossfire Radeon 290 in the low $200 bucks each, those were the good days. My last 3 cards was the Vega 64 for $500 bucks, Radeon 5700XT for $450 and lastly my Radeon 6800XT for $520. So do I need to spend over $2K ona GPU for raytracing at the cost of FPS? or laggy fake frame generators?
Does this mean i should buy more nvda stock? If yes, should i do it before the split or after? Thanks in advance!
It makes no difference. If you buy before it just means you will own more shares afterwards.
8:57 Can we just appreciate the man rocking a bolo tie.
Uhhhhhh dilbert
@@joeykeilholz925 casual friday?
Tbh great video love the channel and all the performance based testing that really is how i choose my hardware buys! This market data video idea is one of my favorites though now outa your library…. Ive always suspected the exacts of your findings but could never find the best approach to look into it so i gotta say i agree theres no perfect way to do this, but you found about the bedt damn approach so kudos
Awesome, thank you for the hard work. I love videos likes this.
So what are the best used options & value at this point?
I really hope AMD doesn’t drop the high end of their RDNA5 lineup, NVIDIA’s pricing and market dominance is already absurd.
You are the type of people who says competition is good but never owns amd cards
All hints points that they are about to do that and just compete in the medium end and APUs
@@happybuggy1582I'm the type of people who say that and own 3 amd, 1Intel and 1 nvidia
@@radicalxg8282 He wrote RDNA5, not RDNA4. AMD dropped high-end RDNA4, because it was a much better business decision to make more MI300X instead.
I'm not sure how that rumor got started. It was only ever RDNA4 that had the high end chips cancelled.
That delayed card at the end of each generation reeks of them trying to use remnant supply before selling the new architecture. :/
It wasn't as worse as I had it in my head. Great video!
Is the low end version at the end of a series nivida using up all their low binned chips?
In my country the 7900 xtx water cooled is cheaper than the 4080s entry one. Just unbelievable
Which country is this?
@@jal.ajeera i dont want to start a comment war... Sorry
@@vmdenis3350if u don't say the country you afraid of laing here .
@@vmdenis3350 Comment war? Such statements are hard to believe unless you provide the proof. I'd like to see it myself that's all.
Wow! What's the pricing like for the 7800 XT and 4070 there?
This is weird to me because when I got my current GPU (RX6750XT) last month I didn't even bother looking at Nvidia options before I got it because I knew they'd be overpriced.
As someone who is only interested in gaming and sometimes recording Nvidia is just a bad choice because for a higher price I was gonna get less vram with the only benefit being that the gimmics I won't really use would run slightly better. Yea I will turn ray tracing on for 5 minutes to check it out but I can already do that with my AMD gpu anyway, and the VRAM amount is far more important than a gimmic. All the Nvidia cards I could get for the price of the 6750XT had only 8gb.
So true. I consider a realistic price for a gpu to be around the cost of current gen consoles. People that spend $1500-2500 on a gpu don't realize how niche a group they are. So for me when I bought my 6900xt for $500 nothing else really touched it. I don't need to use FSR but if I do I find it good enough and all games support it even if you need to run a patch - it's open source after all. I still feel like RT is an infant technology that isn't ready for the mainstream consumer because I'm told you basically need a 4080 or higher to comfortably fully utilize it. It seems to be forced onto developers that in turn overuse the tech so that people can "see" the difference and then all the games that use it look overly Shiney and reflective / wet or suffered from light glare that doesn't actually add to the game. I can run it fine in cyberpunk but I turn it off. It will be a great tech in one or two more generations.
@@michaelmabe8214 Yea barely anyone is ever buying those higher end cards, even in steam hardware surver the top ones are always at the mid to low price range.
25:45 That shot wants to make me cry over my beloved but ancient gtx 960 2gb.
9:45 i was confused for a second from this background noise :D
Thanks, Steve!
Nvidia valuation is at an insane high. AMD is the perpetual underdog, green team cant stop winning at the moment (personally an AMD owner since it's cheap)
AMD took an insane risk basically selling their company for a last chance userbase buyout. And heck it worked
Why should AMD try to win?
@@thebcwonder4850because nvidia is a trillion-dollar company, and they probably want a slice of that money.
@@kintustis they currently are getting a slice, just a small one. They would need to put in a lot more resources to get a bigger slice
@@thebcwonder4850 For exactly the same reason they decided to focus on Datacenter CPUs and let Desktop be more or less a byproduct of that: That's where the really big bucks are. Intel is selling at break-even in Datacenter, but AMD is getting almost their entire profit from Datacenter. AMD full well knows that getting their GPGPU/AI software stack in order, and have a scalable compute architecture, is where the big money is. If they get that, then a couple of extra size dies for the gaming market is chump change in development money for another side hustle.
In semiconductors scale is everything. It costs the same to develop an architecture and driver stack whether you sell one or one hundred million. That is why everyone wants to be big in this space. As soon as the fabs go brrr you can replicate to infinity, but the step up to that point is expensive as hell.
Interesting data would be what GPU were you looking for vs what you ended up purchasing. Along with was that purchase online or retail store to see how availability also sways the decision. In other words are paper launches for marketing of a product still driving sales.
love your content!!
4:30
I like that little thing at the bottom where it explains a little more of what specifically you're talking about. I think I saw something like that in another video but I can't quite remember. Still, it's pretty nice to see, especially when there are some topics/points that go over my head because I don't know what the heck they are, even if you do your best to explain them haha
Thanks for noticing! We've been trying to add those pop-out definitions more lately.
@@GamersNexus they'll be a great addition to the videos! Looking forward to seeing more of them 👌
Well I put my money where my mouth is and bought a 7900 XTX last year. Yes I wish it had better ray tracing, but other than that it just flat out destroys every single game for quite a bit less then the 4080. By retail price it is only a little cheaper, but in reality it was quite a bit cheaper (about $200 I think). Statistically a lot of the people criticizing Nvidia in the comments still have an Nvidia card. It's like people are afraid that if they buy an AMD card it will be inferior. I can assure you they perform just like the reviews say they do, which is much better than Nvidia frame per dollar in anything except ray tracing.
This. If you don't like what Nvidia is cooking buy an AMD GPU. They pretty good for gaming.
I did the same exact thing except I don’t care about Raytracing in addition to the fact that AMD has superior software support on Linux compared to Nvidia. (I daily drive Arch Linux and Debian.)
This is why I went from my NVIDIA 20 series GPU to Radeon 7000, and from an Intel CPU to Ryzen. There was more value per dollar when it came to just playing the game. Stuff like raytracing and DLSS offered no additional value except compromises just to get prettier lighting and reflections that I wouldn’t even notice after five minutes into a gaming session.
I put my money where my mouth is as well. Went from a gtx 1070 (excellent gpu) to a 6700xt after I began using Linux. I will be using d from here on out as the driver situation on Linux is fantastic. I’m also willing to give intel a try once their gpu department matures
UE5 got software lumen which hellblade 2 uses. No hardware ray tracing needed.
I prefer a less power-hungry card. I like the 750Ti, 1050Ti, 1650, now 3050 - all within 75W with all the features of their bigger brothers. I wish AMD would do the same, as their only current less-than-75W card 6400 lacks any encoding support. Last AMD card less than 75W was 560, about on par with 1050Ti
It would be nice to have a full-featured GPU list to filter out all GPUs outside a specific power budget, ranked by performance/watt ratio
I bought a 6700xt because of the good value to performance from AMD and it didnt last long. I went with word of mouth from online reviews but the real world applications werent there for my uses. The card struggled to run 3440x1440p steadily. I tried tweaking the settings to no avail. That along with driver issues / crashes, I couldnt deal with it. Bought a 4090 and had no issues. Its peace of mind with something familiar rather than something new (although it could be better) that requires some tinkering.
Huh weird. I have a 6700xt and it absolutely crushes it at 1440p. It's also been the most stable card I've ever had. Now the 5700xt I had before that, is another story.
I don't know, man…
If you go to my electronics retailer, set a hard 500 dollar price cap and ignore every ripoff, you pretty much end up with the 67/7600(xt) and maybe the occasional 6800 on sale
I don't see much NV presence there
the we're in a restaurant part was hilarious, keep the good work!
Very cool very informative 😊
As usual, Steve and his team have the most professional content on the platform. Well done sir. BTW Gordon's Rant of the week was always classic.
I loved this discussion type video! Really cool to think abiuy and dig deep into topics like this
Excellent video! Well done guys!
on amd v nvidia: three friends on mine got different amd cards few years apart
all 3 of them returned it due to bad drivers, one was just dead
Excellent eye opener ❤
Another possible cause is due to the market share. If more people have Nvidia cards then more developers will use Nvidia specific features, like framegen or DLSS 3, then due to this more people will want Nvidia GPUs because they don’t want to miss out on these features, so that is another cycle too.
I know there are games that are quite heavily AMD biased but it isn’t as common. Add to that the fact that AMDs features may be available on older cards or are able to be used on Nvidia’s cards and that further increases peoples want for Nvidia cards, if they choose AMD then they lose out on Nvidia’s features, if they choose Nvidia then they get both Nvidia’s and AMD’s features to some extent.
AMD features like their version of frame generation work without work by the developer, in nearly every game.
@@utarefson9and than you see Hellblade 2 with bad FSR 3 implementation and no frame generation cause developers are lazy
Usually thqe games that room better on AMD were console games, since both PS and Xbox use AMD
I sincerly bought 3 months ago an RX 6600 to change my GTX 980. I wanted to try for the first time AMD, and sincerly i don't see any difference. In fact AMD Control Pannel has a lot more features. I am super happy with my AMD GPU. For 1080p RX 6600 is king. 100W + Ryzen 5700X3D Top.
Yeah AMD Adrenaline is a really nice software.
lol you got an x3d and only an rx 6600 :O should have gone for a 6700xt at least
You are right, there is no difference between GTX 980 and RX 6600.
@@mikymouse7525there's a ~65% improvement, I don't consider that a side-grade, though personally I made the more substantial upgrade from 970 to 7600. Either way, it means newer games and higher fidelity become more accessible.
Well at 1080p these days you don't need much more than a Facebook GPU.
After years buying the xx60 cards I bought 6700XT and I never had a problem
shadow of the tomb raider crashed only but it was a known bug with the game
it crashes for both companies
6700XT is such a good card
very stable drivers too
I only use gpus for gaming,
I started with AMD, HD 6750, for my first pc which had a low budget.
I switched to NVIDIA, GTX 770 & GTX 1070, due to marketing as I had no awareness of benchmarks.
I started watching benchmarks and reviews of pc hardware.
I wanted an RTX 3060 ti, to stick with what i know, but went with AMD 6700xt for a few reasons.
Price was a factor as it was during the covid crypto craze. But I would've spent a bit more on NVIDIA just for reassurance that i trust the product and drivers and knew it would work.
I decided to jump ship to AMD to spite NVIDIA due to their abhorrent pricing practices and to support the competition. Also I wanted something more reliable for linux as I was annoyed at microsoft too.
Absolutely no complaints or any issues from using AMD for gaming.
I am using dual boot windows/linux as I get more performance, reliability, and mod support on windows rather than linux for gaming.
I use linux for any work, coding, projects, personal data, etc... windows is strictly gaming and anything while I game, eg: music, discord, youtube, twitch, etc...
I still think AMD cards are pretty underrated. We’ve seen how impactful having low VRAM can be on performance and they generally offer more VRAM for the price whilst being pretty similar in performance (Ray-tracing aside).
Unfortunately they're bad for productive workloads. Gaming is a giant waste of money and time, but AMD only really makes gaming products when it comes to GPUs. Their iGPUs are good, but could be better if AMF wasn't so bad when it comes to video encoding at a limited bitrate.
@@one_step_sideways You shouldn't buy an AMD card unless you're gaming so this is irrelevant.
VRAM , SHITTY NVIDIA POWER CONNECTOR , BETTER RAster were the reason i went with amd
If slapping on more vram is what makes something underrated then AMD are always gonna be satisfied with boxcheck features instead of quality of their feature set and just start throwing extra vram on everything even when it doesnt make a difference like 24gb vs 16 gb
@@PringleSucka More like you shouldn't buy a card period. iGPUs are very cheap, pretty powerful and are efficient now. Those OEM barebones mini-PCs with Ryzen 5 5625U APUs seem like the best price to performance ratio, with fast CPUs and powerful graphics to drive any workload we need. Even the Intel UHD 620 iGPU inside 8th gen Kaby Lake Refresh laptop CPUs are good enough for 90% of all office workloads, and the Vega iGPU is 3x faster than that, with Zen 3 cores being 1.5x faster and about 1.8x more efficient at higher frequencies.
After owning 3 generations of Nvidia cards, I went with an 7800xt this time. I think Nvidia is becoming the Apple of GPU's, where you have to pay for the name and the brand instead of getting the best bang for your buck. I definitely don't regret my purchase.
Putting together my first ever build tomorrow. Despite a potentially unlimited budget I went with the 7900xtx along with a 7800x3D. Went for the value play at the end. Don’t think I’ll be sacrificing much anyways 🤷🏻♂️
As SOON as AMD fixes their upscaling and ray tracing deficiencies I’m buying an AMD card, the rasterised performance is clearly excellent, but you couldn’t pay me to use FSR😅
@@erick__97 You'll love your system.
@@George-um2vc then dont? i play native 100% of the time.
Proud 7800xt owner here as well! Works too good for me considering I play mmos more often then singleplayer games
Remember how nVidia made their telemetry reporting driver level....it still is...
Supermarkets have mood lighting with music and product placement. To get off the shopping list for the impulse buy. I'm sure there is more to sales. Thanks.