What's The Best F1 Racing Sim?
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- Today, I'm posing the question, what's the best F1 racing sim? Do the 'hardcore' racing simulators do a good enough job of replicating the F1 experience? So then, if F1 2019 isn't the best F1 racing sim, what is?
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My god. Starting this as a CZcams premiere was worse than defending my uni dissertation. :D
Great video and completely valid summary I'd say Chris!
I agree with you. I enjoy IRacing for its Amazing physics but I found out that i can have a lot of fun and immersion in f12019 even if It Is an arcade game. It Is really a complete game. I would love them to release a future F1 game where you have a sim mode (with state of the art physics) and an arcade mode so that player can choose which one to play
What is the best sim racing game for a beginner in 2020? Also interested in joining leagues.
Curious, what was your dissertation topic & title? Is it listed on "ProQuest" ?
Well you had to expect that. Why didn't you include PC2? Are you lumping it in with AMS2 since it's the same engine? Seems like it's better than some and worse than others on this list given it's car and track selection.
Can't really blame the sims for their lack of F1 content, since F1 will sue them blind if they dare use any of it. It's one thing that worries me about the current boom in sim racing's exposure. Whenever something reaches a certain level of popularity, it is almost inevitably ruined by the desire to appeal to the lowest common denominator in an effort to maximize profits.
Yep, Chris did a great job with this video but this particular issue should have been mentioned - as with AMS they have 'representative' F1 cars from certain eras but have to be careful not to identify them further. Personally I rate AMS1 still as the best dynamics/physics for F1 cars - all the other qualities (tracks, online, possibly A.I. less so).
100% true. The last true F1 licenced game was Grand Prix 4.
@@rodrrico ?? Last F1 licensed game??
@@rodrrico You know the Codemasters games are also licensed by F1, right? They aren't super realistic sims, but they were never meant to be. Most people want to just have fun without having to use their head to the same degree as a real racing driver. If you don't like that kind of game, there are plenty of sims that try to be super realistic
It might not apply 1:1, but actually because of Call of Duty's recent legal win over the right to use military Humvee's in their game under the guise of "trying to simulate a real scenario" is good defense for being able to make proper series content in the better racing simulators. Again it might not slide, but it is a bit of hope.
Would be great to see codies build in a hardcore physics "Pro" mode that could be used for esports and hard core sim racers alike. Cockpit only mode etc, something that takes the sport a little more seriously, but then can be watered down for console access. Oh, and maybe a VR option...
AMS2, AC and RF2 are good but aren't dedicated to the sport like F120xx is.
Yeah, as I said in the chat, I fully agree. This is what we need :)
Honestly i would look the other way for everything else if only F1 had VR, you can call me snob , but IMHO VR is a must for ME ( once more, this is my opinion and this applies to ME, just to avoid any arguments ) , the level of immersion that VR brings is just on another level.
@@bbbmarko1 I think too VR is a great option, but the thing is that the VR community represents a very low percentage in steam, even in the most crowded pc platform is not that much., so implementing it, it´s very expensive. With the rumour of codemasters going to the madness engine, that is optimized for VR i think we should expect some of this technologies in the next 2 years or 2021 game
@@mach234455 ah yes, just gonna say Dirt and Dirt 2 , and i believe F1 2019 has more players. Also i'm always for more features :). Well here's to 2021 then.
Maybe VR option? Man what are you trying to say with this? If pros are supposed to use a Sim to compete there is no way VR isn´t there, the one reason I don´t play F-1 right now is the lack of VR which I wish codie would fix since they have bought Slimad studios for a reason which I believe that was.
Seasoned sim racers (myself included) often forget what the key purpose of the Codemasters F1 game is. It is meant to be highly accessible to F1 fans on PC and console, with a very broad variety of wheel hardware and controllers. Unfortunately for more hardcore sim racers with dedicated equipment and lots of experience this means the compromises in physics made to accommodate this comparatively huge audience (compared to other niche titles) will leave us wanting on the pure driving experience side.
What is does do well is help strengthen F1 fans engagement with the sport, deepen the love for F1 some casual fans have over the long term and as Chris states, provide the career, circuit, content and Formula 1 experience to the user.
I stopped buying the yearly Codemasters F1 game back in 2018 but this is because my sim racing hobby grew beyond the point where I found the driving enjoyable. That said, I don't complain that I hate the title because I appreciate what the game does for sim racing generally and the sport I love, F1.
I think the driving in F1 2018 (also the most recent iteration I've purchased since 2013) isn't bad. It's different than AC/AMS/PC, but it's far from a cartoonish NASCAR Heat experience.
And what I VERY MUCH enjoy in the F1 game is the car development strategy/aspect - aside from practice sessions generally rewarding you more points than winning a race. It's a feature that you cannot get in any other game, that makes it feel immersive. You have to focus on R&D and it's a cumulative effect year over year.
You're doing more than just running races to collect points and win a title, and then moving on to the next custom season that conveniently leaves off difficult tracks like Baku. I'd like to see the custom season files of most of the "hardcore sim racing" crowd... my bets are there's a lot more Monza than there is Sochi.
Well spoken. The Official Game is actually what got me into racing and F1 in general. It was one of those things where I had an opportunity to try it out, and immediately was blown away by the complexity of the cars and operations.
I find the F1 car in asetto corsa easier to drive and less spin happy in comparison with the official F1 game. I play with the controller
Don‘t ignore the Assetto Corsa Ferrari F2004 and SF70H!
These are my favorite cars in any sim.
Yeah, the F2004 in particular is a beaut. I had to go with really broad strokes for this video to keep it to a sensible lenght.
@@ChrisHaye I understand, but I personally think that these 2 cars with Skins that represent each full season of competitors are the best F1 Racing experiences you can have.
Agreed. The F2004 is so much fun to drive. Insane level of grip. It just sticks. Everywhere.
The F2004 is great but SF70H is not theat great, the formula hybrid mods from Racing Sim Studios are much better
pSyk I know it’s older but driving the Lotus 49 on Feldbergring in VR
borderlines on being heart attack risk.
The perfect F1 sim imo:
Physics engine: Live for speed
Content: F1 2019 + allow modding
Online: iracing
Graphics: almost any modern sim (F1 2019/GT Sport/Project Cars...)
Replay Cameras: iracing
@@pippo9830 Had a race just today where I gained 10 positions on lap 1, and all the highlight reel showed was the T1 lunge
No way, GT sport has the best replays by a mile
No F1 2019 replay cameras are fine bc it's exactly what the real life F1 camera angles are so what you're saying about the camera angles in F1 2019 are bullshit
Imo GT Sport has the best replay cameras out of all of them
6:37 I love the rf2 tire model
Agree with your conclusion! Of the 'true sims' I think AMS1 is the best option, presumably AMS2 will take its crown at some point.
I'm inclined to agree. I was a huge fan of the formul cars in AMS, but as you say, it's getting on a bit now. Hopefully AMS2 gets fully squared away soon :)
YES!
no it wont, zero mod support means it will die off after a couple of months...
I agree, AMS is the best for so many reasons, but the only drawback is the struggle to play with friends online in multiplayer. You need to be a total computer nerd or C+++ expert to get a dedicated server running smoothly.
Unfortunately AMS 2 cant do F1 series because no modding or unless CM give up their strangle hold on the F1 licence .
It's true that F1 from the codemasters best reflects the atmosphere of the current Formula 1. What we can do to make the game more realistic is push for more realism on their forum. Maybe in the end it will bring results, because more and more people are complaining about it. Codemasters could get a huge feedback from F1 drivers who are now playing their game and push the series forward.
I never agreed that much
No thanks. There’s loads of hardcore sims. We need accessible games like F1 2020 so casual players can enjoy pretending to be Lewis Hamilton from the comfort of their living room.
@Jurassic Mindset Why does it need to be realistic to be used in esports? All it needs to have for esports is a level playing field, which it has in the equal performance setting. The drivers know exactly what to expect from the game, so it's not like anyone is showing up expecting a full sim
Jurassic Mindset that’s just dead wrong. There are plenty of esports that aren’t played on realistic games. A game doesn’t need to be realistic to be an esport.
F1 2019 is a driver role-playing game. What's worse, Codemasters seems to only be leaning-in on those "features" for 2020, while leaving everything else neglected. The car simulation aspect does not appear to be important to them whatsoever.
I wish F1/Liberty would split the license between "driver RPG" and "simulator". Let CM keep making their RPGs. A Kunos or Reiza with an official F1 simulation license would be a dream come true.
Or even better isi and studio 397
Probably best physics and ffb so far
agreed. although i have to admit that i had the most fun with cm F1 2019, because it was so easy to set up with a friend and we played to two seasons in two weeks and had awesome battles that would have taken us half a year in any sim. Best would be something like AC Competizione with a real mm system.
The F1 game is not meant to be a simulator. It is a video game marketed to all levels of F1 fans.
@@Kasmuller I find rFactor 2 utterly numb, particularly the single seaters. nKPro was the last sim where single-seaters felt truly alive IMO, AC comes close but there's still something missing. The single seaters in iRacing make me cry...
It's for everyone, not for sim freaks only
F1 is my go to race driver RPG. When I play F1 I just want to be immersed in an F1 race weekend, the current physics are fine for that imo. The only real thing its really missing is VR, if F1 had VR it would be awesome. Sadly probably won't see that until next gen or they update their engine.
coming in july for you :)
For me AMS is a fantastic Sim to do offline F1 championships. I'm hesitant to get AMS2 until it's out of pay beta stage. I've put in 100s of hours with offline F1 championships in AMS. It's an amazing F1 game. The F1 classic and 2000 seasons are incredible!
Yeah, I'm a fan of the original AMS handling in the formula cars. It's not there yet in AMS2, though I think the tin tops are getting better and better. I'm sure things will continue to improve through early access.
AMS ? Offline is my go
its cheaper now and its good whit vr atm ,will be alot better when its out of beta ofcourse .
Don't forget to check out the CART extreme mod!
@@deathrooster14 I really like the '96 mod for it
Answering the title: Grand Prix 4.
😂
I honestly thought about putting that as a twist at the end. But after trying to get it running well with my wheel for the last month, I can't really recommend it anymore :D
@@ChrisHaye yeah, it's like Rfactor, GTR2 and other older games. They are fun, better than some products that the market offers today, but by the moment where you need to download unofficial patches, .ini file modifications and download a bunch of files to make them work properly with modern hardware, the fun goes away.
That moment where you spend more time dialing in the game than actually driving and having fun :/
On that note, if anyone has GP4 working with an OSW, let me know your secrets!
@Karl Burnett i think so
Greatest game of all time
F1 2019 may not be a realistic driving sim but it is a very good simulator of the sport
That is true
Games like assetto corsa or gran turismo are not "racing" simulators anyway. I hate to see how many people refer to those games as "racing simulators". lol They are race car "physics" simulators. Meaning that they simulate the physics of the car.
The f1 codemasters games do have some race regulations, realistic damage, realistic pit stops and a few other things that make them "almost" I'd say racing simulators.
@@FriendlyCroock the touching and steering is so bad on the F1 game
@@FriendlyCroock who hurt you
@@timmetjecoronel9545
Once again you people are obsessing over driving. How about damage? AI? Regulations? AC is bad when it comes to what I've listed.
Guys, calm down, it doesn't go live for another 90 minutes
Chris Haye Hi
The rF2 McLaren MP4 something from 2001 is truly amazing. But yup it was entirely predictable that the official game would be the best overall
Yeah, I thought it would be obvious, but some people need reminding ;)
You're right about the MP4/13 - it's my favourite of the three they released.
@@ChrisHaye Thanks for that well researched and original video. I was not familiar with the state of F1 in many of the games so learned something new
Assetto corsa RSS Formula hybrid be smackin my needs doe
I would really love to say that Assetto Corsa is the choice. When I tried the latest RSS F1 car I was mindblown. I've never driven such an incredible car in these specs and in my opinion there's no other possibilty to get you this kind of experience. Unfortunately, this game with such variety, as you said, lacks of stable competition. There is no same quality in all F1 tracks, in fact, majority of them are converts from Codemasters games which don't exactly work properly. I think that these are the biggest issue. This and rule-making for such racing class. I'd love to see a licensed F1 track pack, but that would cost a shittone of money.
Just here to drop some love for the RaceRoom F1 cars - the FRX17 is a joy to drive, and answers many F1 fans Prayers by sticking a whacking great V10 into the back of modern machinery, which is phenomenal wish fulfilment if you're of a certain age.
The FR90 is up their with the TCR and 1992 DTM cars for me as some of their best bits of content - you can tell it was crafted with a lot of care, and at least the car artists are serious fans of early 1990's Formula One.
As a primarily touring car driver, RaceRoom is my favourite sim because it does that better than anything else, but their F1 stuff is definitely a guilty pleasure, alongside the excellent Formula RSS2000 in AC.
I believe that many games have better physics than F1 2019, however F1 always has the best F1 car models in the way they look and handle.
and better Multi then F1 2019.. those are awful
No, it doesn't It may have the best graphics but nowhere near the best handling cars especially if you play with a wheel. The game may be easy to play and that doesn't mean that it has the best handling cars. It's a bad racing sim with crappy FFB. Also, even some of the modded cars in Assetto Corsa are better-detailed than in F1 2019.
@@carrymeh7253 Agreed and the funny Thing is that any current racing Sim is easier to drive.
Especially in Rain.
AC, Pcars2, rfactor 2 and even R3E with it's F1 inspired (FRX-17) or unofficial (FRX-90) Cars, feel Like you are driving Cars in tires Made from rubber.
Codie's F1 Games feel Like you're driving Cars in Plastic wheels with a Rubber coating.
Just wait until next gen for 2021-2022. It will also push the PC version to better things :D I keep my fingers crossed for proper VR then :D
I responded to the wrong comment
When I saw the title, i instantly thought "Microprose F1 Grand Prix!" and had myself a right little chuckle when you mentioned Geoff Crammond. Good content young 'un!
This was a really good video! I've wondered why they would choose such an unrealistic sim for the pinnacle of Motorsports, but I had assumed that was why. I figured that's why Max hadn't joined the e series since he's an iracing guy. I do a lot of iracing, but am looking for something else to try that's not so frustrating with SR. Just want the best W2W experience. What would your suggestion be rF2? Or Raceroom?
Can you tell me one thing please? In real life we have to fully press the brakes and then release slowly while doing a corner. So in iracing I was driving Dallara F3 when ever I do full press brake tires just lock up so instead I have to do 60-70% braking at peak and then release brakes while turning. So is it so or is this me only who's doing this?
Esfahan Arin maybe its with the setup of your car. It Might be your brake bias being too forwards and or no abs.
It could also be with how long and if u move your wheel under braking.
AMS2 especially as of now definitely will help satisfy that craving.
@@aarinesfahani That's how you drive cars without abs. Formula 3 cars doesn't have abs so they are prone to lock up at 100% brake input
Shame the actual F1 series can't iron itself out into being a proper sim.
They should let you choose to be honest, because they can't afford to lose the casual gamers. An in game choice between extreme realism and casual gameplay would be perfect
@@samu2292 yah I agree kinda like how Forza does it with the settings.
@@stpbasss3773 Yeah, but Forza lets you pick between arcade and "not so much arcade". IF they bring sim into the mix, most people wouldnt be able to drive the game.
@@PaulPunk23LP I didn't say forza was a Sim they just have a crazy in depth options menu
It cant bc its too unrealistic they dont know how to add feel and grip to the car
1:15 you were right!
Grand Prix Legends is probably the best game for actual simulation that`s ever existed, athough of course it was replicating those deadly cars from the 60s. At the time I had a 17" screen and a non-feedback wheel. I don`t think I ever got through 2 laps without crashing. I think it`s still got quite a following today.
Check out the 2020 demo! It has a selection of the new cars for the sim, all collected in one little weird car set.
The one and only thing I would add to improve the F1 series is VR.
Since I started with it on AC and Dirt Rally 2, I simply can't go back. The experience and sensations are the best I've ever felt in a simulation.
We need VR in F1 2020 and beyond
Great video, no bias and very accurate. The official game sadly lacks a 'sim' option but having said that, it's easily the best F1 experience you can have.
Exactly, and that’s all Codies wants to do. Give you the best F1 experience. Like someone else said, it’s more of an F1 RPG
i consider myself to be a "serious" sim racer mostly on Iracing and F1 is my favourite game by far still, its just enjoyable , beautiful graphics , definitely a fan boy.
Grand prix 4 is still the most complete an f1 game has ever been in terms of replicating an f1 season and championship and nailing the physics model with the resources they had at the time. People look back at Grand Prox 2 as their favorite but 4 was a more complete package.
Now though F1 2019 is unmatched with regards to being a complete package
AC Fan thanks for your comments. It makes me very happy to see this as I was one of the development team on GP3 and GP4 although mainly focused on the graphics engine 👍
GP4 is my favorite F1 game ever.
The official F1 isn’t even a sim. It’s more casual. More arcade-y.
Unlucky Benny but what it does, it does well. AI is superior to anything else I’ve tried and the online multiplayer is fun and engaging. Whilst it’s physics and damage models are a bit janky, it’s still a respectable title. I have probably got 2000 hours of CM F1 experience though, so I’m biased and know how everything feels. Saying that, I jumped into the AC RSS F1 2000 car on Imola and loved it.
@@motornaut AI is fake. They don't even set actual times in practice or qualifying. Try Automobilista if you want 'realistic' AI.
How do you know? You ever driven an f1 car in real life? I don't think so.
@@Namealreadyinsue it's obvious. I've raced in lower classes and the F1 game is far far far from realistic. It's not that easy to drive. Basically, you can use the rule of thumb, that if you're good with a pad, it's arcade-y. Thats not a bad thing, but still not a sim. Best is probably rf pro, but getting that is a hassle, because its only for raceteams and car manufacturers.
@@PaulPunk23LP There are some exceptions to that rule of thumb. Did you see Jacques Villenueve in R Factor lately? Also bike racing games. Can't imagine a wheel would feel too good with one of them
it sounds like picking the "best" F1 racing sim really depends on how you define "Best". Do you want the most realistic racing physics? the most realistic driver perspective and experience, or the most true to world models, tracks, and interactions. As much as I love real world sims, I personally would consider the best combination of physics and driver experience to be far superior to real world models, because I just want to race.
Codemasters products, in general, have a truly crappy FFB and tyre model when you compare them with AC/ACC/RF2/AMS1 and 2. They have to solely focus on such technical gap. And please Codemasters, stop pumping out the same games every years with basically no drastic improvements, provide a real FOV measurements, full telemetry output, a realistic tyre model, and a redesigned FFB.
The great majority of people who play f1 2019 are casual gamers who are most likely play it on a controller. Codies know that and either don't want to invest that much more money into features the general player base will not care about or they don't want to lose the accessibility aspect of it since f1 2019 is designed to be just jump in and go racing. It's not focused towards hardcore sim racers, their target audience is much different and much wider than that.
@@rokas5901 Very true and solid point. But why not give the options like other sims where you can have "assists" or settings that matches the user's preference (arcade vs simulation)...? Then, they would hit the perfect balance IMHO,
@@pippo9830 You are still missing the point. Just to have that option would take a lot of man hours and a big investment just for that particular 10-15% of players to torn it on. Again, the game is targeted to a wide audience and nothing is as simple as "easy, done" when developing a game.
@@rokas5901 check the 2020 version of F1, they've added "casual" mode. And actually listened to F1 drivers to provide a different model. Not a sim yet, but closer for sure
I like to build the past and current F1 season in Assetto Corsa. It is time consuming getting all the mods, cars, tracks but at the end its all worth it, because I get to drive around on those circuits and cars in VR. I'm lucky that there is a wonderful community of people making so many awesome mods for this great sim!
F1 2019 simulates more of the sport then it simulates racing
If it wasn't for Codemasters TOCA series and COLIN McRae rally I wouldn't have discovered the hardcore Sims I know and love so well now, like the Rfactor series and Richard Burns Rally, so I can't knock them. They are what they are and they do what they do well so, good on em!
VRC also makes incredible quality, consistent F1 mods for Assetto Corsa; however that may not have been the case 2 years ago. Haha
If you give up an sim racing, Chris you could always go into carpentry, because you just 'hit the nail on the head' Codemasters is the best for all round F1 feeling of being a driver, well in F1.
F1 2019 a polished product?
*cries in Lando Norris*
Luke Woods LMAO
That's on him lol. No one else has issues with their PC
From what I have seen during these events the F1 2019 game is faaar away from being polished. Looks more like a Beta. So many bugs that could never make it into final in sims mentioned.
I'm starting to think that the game is specifically coded to crash when Lando is about to race in an official event.
@@RobertDoornbosF1 Actually Lando trashed F1 game from the point simulation. And when a real F1 driver says it doesn't feel like a real F1 then you believe him :).
Also I don't think that he has a bad PC because in order to live stream so many games you need to have a good one. And when codemasters asks for 70€ it shouldn't have any bugs
That max Verstappen wdc prediction was suspicious
You forgot the important reason: VR. :)
I’m a big AC fan - best combination of physics, tracks, content and graphics. Before that, GTR2 and before that GT Legends. I’ve recently bought a PS4 with GranTurismo and F12019. Whilst GT is very arcade like, F12019 was a pleasant surprise. Whilst the physics engine and tyre model are not as good as AC, it still does require skill to do well. The overall game is very immersive however, where any concerns over real world physics details soon get forgotten. Elements that stood out for me immediately were: graphics - almost want wet races now / sound - use of the speaker on the PS4 controller brings a dimension of realism that has to be experienced / strategy - I find myself spending far less time messing about with fine details of setup (defaults are very very good starting points) and more time deciding on tyre and fuel strategy - I’ve had a couple of great career races now where I’ve remediated poor qualifying by under fuelling the car for a good start, going for a short first stint whilst saving fuel, then existing the pits on full engine mode for a few laps until my competition pit, gaining several hundred places and then turning the engine down to make sure I can get it over the line whilst defending my track position. It really works and with AI set to high level you can get yourself to a competitive level for online racing.F12019 with a choice of sim or game physics models would be rather good! Surprised that R Factor 2 (Pro) doesn’t do better given that it is the sim engine that many F1 teams actually use in their own sims (true - with their own physics and CFD models to match their own car obviously).
Spot on. They also are leagues ahead on the game aspect. Negatives handling, ffb and no vr but it's still an enjoyable experience from a different pov.
Tricky topic and this video did get me thinking and I reckon you pretty much nailed it. I enjoy F1 2019 for my modern F1 fix and then turn to the other sims such as AMS and RF2 for my old school fix.
I like the ferrari's in AC, although wish we could have all of the competition liveries during AI gameplay.
onetripwonders you can find the liveries on race department, i suppose
Agreed. The official Kunos F1 cars (especially in the Red Pack) were amazing.
:D F1 Challenge '99-'02!
(I haven't watched the video yet, but here's my current thought): Assetto Corsa with the newest RSS Formula Hybrid
He actually says the official game! bwahahaha
Perfect analysis. I completely agree.
We all know that the best F1 sim is original rFactor. Huge modding scene with f1 season mods from '70-ties, '80-ties, '90-ties, '00-ties and '10-ns. Every team has it's own car model and upgrades for free. The game is old 15 years and still is great to drive.
The 90s F1 cars in raceroom are amazing! I won my first league championship in the V12.
Actually, you *can* relatively accurately simulate the 2020 F1 season. You just have to sit at home and play some ACC! It's what all the real drivers are doing /s
RSS Formula cars and AMS Formula ultimate.
Edit:
For the driving experience that is. Truth be told, the leaps and bounds I have to get through to get AC content to feel as immersive as F1 2019... F1 2019 is the best Formula 1 simulator. Cars, tracks, drivers, atmosphere, you name it. It is all there.
The driving experience is the worst aspect of it (like, no aero modeling at all) bit ot is good enough not to break immersion. Sure i would prefer an F1 sim more akin to ACC but we get what we get and I am sure F1 bosses wouldn't be pleased if the F1 game wasn't accessible to a wide variety of people and didn't have a proper career. I mean, I love ACC but that career mode is atrocious.
Assetto corsa, formula hybrid, community skin pack. Use content manager to set up a custom grid, you can lock in ai levels there (like to put mazepan ai level lower, but aggression high for immersion lol), 2021 tracks are available as mods, us cm again to setup a championship. Not perfect, but closest you'll get, and vr!
on rFactor 1 there are so many great F1 mods from the 90s - 2010 era like CTDP 2005/2006 f.e., back then by far the best sim to represent F1
Sadly since rF2 was released those modders disappeared
RF1 I have 58 (from 1950-2017) seasons of mods as I used to be very in with the community. Many of the mods were never made public.
I think you have put it right, Chris. Codemasters have made this game for a broader audience. The game should be easy but difficult to master sorts. If you look from F1’s PoV, this is another tool to market the sport. I’ve known people who started liking F1 after playing the game, accidentally I might add. I think Codies can make a more sim focused game, look at the Dirt Rally series for example. But I think they will still keep the F1 series a simcade title.
That photo of Max was perfectly timed BUAHAHAH lmao definitely laughed out loud. The way he talks about it to Lando he HATES the game. He'll sit there playing iRacing alone while the event is occurring so he can increase his iRating hahahah savage
Chris, I just had a wonderful idea for a new peripheral for racing games. Rear view mirrors that attach to the sides of the monitor and are tied to the sim and show what's actually in your rear view mirror. Don't think it would be too difficult to do, I think.
A good video with balanced commentary. Two points.... you miseed the 60s F1 cars in RF2. They are pretty epic to drive; give them a go on historic Spa! My second point is that Codemasters simulates the feeling of being an F1 driver better than any other title. But it doesn't simulate driving an F1 car. There is a big difference between the two approaches.
Made a video recently on this topic. AC is my pick, just because RSS do such an amazing job, and with all the mods available you can get 90% of the way to a full F1 season replication online, so it's a no brainer for me.
P.s. RSS are planning on porting their cars to rFactor 2! :O
Yeah, for sure, don't ge tme wrong, when it comes to driving, the feel of the RSS cars is 1st rate. It's jsut a shame that the rest of the F1 feel isn't as well replicated in AC.
@@ChrisHaye Yeah, we spent a looooong time figuring out things like multiple practice sessions in a race weekend and things like that, and having to use 3rd party tools for DRS etc is a pain. Personally I'm not that interested in a career mode, but I agree the "Formula 1" stuff isn't really in AC - but then again, VR in a Formula Hybrid 2020.... Phwoar.
I have been eagerly waiting for some modern f1 car which is as good as isi 2012, waiting on when would rss release their modern f1 car man, isi 2012 physics and ffb feels leaps and bounds better than any other f1 car from other sims.
you hit the nail on the head with this one. other games have the physics but F1 has a lot more immersion if you want to do an actual F1 race. The AI, rivalries, fully structured race weekends, the career mode and the spectacle is what F1 nails and what other sims cant replicate. For multiplayer other sims can maybe do better, but if I want to simulate a championship where I take part, developing rivalries, switching teams etc. F1 is the way to go. It is the best at single player
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I dont really mind that ac is lacking in "f1 feel", i mostly do hot lapping anyway, so assetto corsa with rss and vrc cars it is for me. And also the stock kunos f1 cars are great too.
Something everyone’s over looking is that all the games listed are indeed sims however the F1 series is a sim-cade heavily leaning on the arcade side
Very good video Chris :) as someone who plays AC, iRacing and F1 games, there are a lot of great things about the F1 games which you just can't get anywhere else. The most fun I have in sims is on my weekly league races and it is a great game for what it is
Very much liked your mention of Geoff Grammond. Still being unreasonably nostalgic about Microprose Grand Prix 2. Would be awesome if you could pull off a remastered review of Grand Prix 2 and see how well (or not) it has aged and perhaps find out what has happened with the team who made it. Cheers!
Much Respect to CODE MASTERS I've loved there car games ever since I played British Touring Cars 2, I so wish they would make a remake of that 1998-1999 championship era today, But as for the F1 Games I Love the fact they get all the sponsors, teams and drivers to help make this game. Chris Haye you did a good job on this topic keep it up.
You forgot AMS (1), which has mods equal to or better than AC, but with vastly better base vehicles. It would win an objective contest.
Marc Collins and it feels better, I love how I can actually control slides in that game
Hi Chris good video as always. Like the quality, polish and your professionalism in all your work.
If your comparing to F1 2019, you might as well add GT Sport in the comparison, as it has F1 cars & circuits :)
But its about games that do the simulation part better then the F1 game, GT sport is just about on the same arcade level
yeah the official f1 game without a doubt isn't a good sim! it has it's fun factors, but man feeling nah...
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Wish they had all the tracks from the official Callendar atleast. Disappointed to see them miss Imola and Portimao. But then all the tracks are just outdated and that
@@atent5124 nah, Imola Portimao, and most importantly my favorite tracks in the calendar, Jeddah will be added on a update
I just want VR. Should be a standard now in every sim/simcade. In car views in F1 games I just can’t use.
what every other game is lacking is the AI paths in almost every track, F1 codies pretty much have the best ai system and consistent side by side behaviour
I only play in VR as I have crappy monitors, so the codemasters F1 games would be a waste of my money. When you look around with a quick google search (RSS ASR VSR ACF1 etc...) there are loads of pretty high quality F1 car mods & almost every track you could want too, for both AC & RF2. The key word = fun. I know that I’m not as talented as Verstappen or Leclerc, therefore have no idea how close my experience is to the real thing. The only opinion I’d listen to on this subject would be current F1 drivers who also enjoy our gaming community. I’m happy enough with what I have!
The physics may suffer compared to hardcore sims, but the overall experience of career modes, and now my team, is what puts the official game over the top for me. You also have to remember that the game is also marketed to casual players and kids, so if you make it too realistic it will be undrivable to the majority of players
tried any of the Grand Prix games? Grand Prix Legends? F1 Challenge 99-02?
Gran Turismo might not have the most updated cars but the Super formulas are very fun and real to drive.
I want a combination of both. driving aid for beginners, such as f1 2002 or f1 99-02 from easports. the core physic came from image space corporation. And that gamepad drivers can drive faster than with a steering wheel, shows that f1 2019 is just a game not a sim. But everyone should drive what is fun and enjoy it. Keep racing
Good video. Excited to see what Automobilista 2 brings to the table. I enjoyed the F1 car in it during my limited in that sim.
Actually , and coincidentally , at 8:35 , if you look at the FR90 class in the menu , you'll actually see that the driver and team names are from Grand Prix 1 😂
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The answer is Grand Prix Legends! GPL is still going strong after more than 22 years, with an insanely dedicated modding community that is constantly churning out spectacular mods like the recent 1955 season mod and the stunning Spa '67 circuit. As an F1 game it' checks all the boxes; full calendar, all the teams and drivers, immersive gameplay, solid physics, and a proper game-like structure (creating a driver and playing through a season/career).
The only catch? All the F1 content is is from 1969 or earlier.
I'm waiting on the Pre-War mod. That one will be epic. Then perhaps they can build a late 70s mod. A modern mod would probably break the games physics, but it'd be so cool.
Amazing video Chris! Really did Enjoy it 👏👏👏
I think I would agree with the conclusion. Personally I would never choose the official game over AC on the sole factor of the driving experience. I would rather have the far superior driving experience that AC provides over the more realistic career/team given by the official game.
what's annoying is that CM owns exclusivity rights to F1, so no other game developer can really make an hardcore F1 sim.
The least CM could do is make a proper F1 sim
I’ve never tried or bought a modern CM F1 game. I imagine it doesn’t drive very well compared to other titles I’m used to on PC. However, I’d probably buy one year after year if they’d just add freaking VR support.
Personally I think any one of the ASR early 90s F1 cars in AC is the best experience I’ve ever had.
I hate Codemasters for bottling the handling (again)... but I have to agree with your conclusion, Chris.
If I remember right, PC2 had texturing files for a 2017 Formula 1 that had official F1 teams skins of that year. However, we can guess that the deal with F1 was not concluded, but we can still keep our fingers crossed for PC3 to include F1 cars
ams 2 has alot of f1 cars from old to the new one
Everything you said is exactly why I purchased F12020 before I had even seen this video.
My thoughts exactly.
Haven’t watched the video yet, casting my vote for the RSS mods in Assetto Corsa! Or the F2004 😝
Spectacularly useful. Thx for reviewing.
Assetto corsa "F1 Mania" mod gives you every car and track from f1 2016 -- 2021 and all the liveries!
F1 challenge 99-02 was great. Rfactor1 was great.... these days i dont know i am out :-)
There is nothing wrong with the Codemasters F1 games, as pick up and play arcade racer they are brilliant. Stick a Logitech G920 into the mix and you have a very fun game open to all players. When you were 8 playing the Tony Hawk games was amazing, you could hit a few buttons and Ollie, kickflip and grind around any map, but imagine of you couldn't Ollie in the game, if you could Ollie in real life. Obviously for Pro skaters Tony Hawk was fake and unrealistic but I'm a kid playing a game for fun
I agree Assetto has the best mod community. But like you said it very's wildly with the drift cars as well. I just got the Hoonatruck and Hoonacorn and they are miserable to try to drive. They are direct rips from Forza and the physics are terrible but the models are beautiful so half of one and less the other. Great edit Chris.
I suppose the F1 series is good on a triple monitor setup, but for VR and 16:9 single screen people, it's severely lacking.
I will never purchase a racing sim that doesn't feature VR ever again. It is so much more immersive, and contributes so much to consistency that it makes any flat game a bit bland.
I did try the F1 game nonetheless, because it's F1, and because I really like the RPG aspect (unlike most here, I do wish they would lean into that a lot more, but to make it optional). Still, I find it hard to get any kind of consistency lap after lap. Since there is no virtual mirror, if you want to see what goes on behind you, you have three options: the T-cam, a cartoonish FOV, or bind buttons on your steering wheel to move your head left or right. I opted for the first, but even if F1 is the only motorsport I'm interested in, driving in the Codemasters game just isn't very... fun. I'd rather drive an Abarth in VR in Assetto Corsa, because it feels so immersive and... fun.
Great summation Chris. Thank you.
The problem with different studios releasing F1 content would simply be licencing. While F1 has an official title they wouldn't be able to license other studios to release modern content.
Maybe the SIM community could convince Frontier to release a multi skill tier title with their newly acquired license.
Yes, totally agree. Not to spoil your ending but all other software have are the physics. An F1 car is not like an indycar, not an F3, or any other open wheel car. F1 if you want to drive the car, comes with the pressure of ultimate failure to place on the podium if not the winner. The other drivers who don't place are just spectators. And with that, an F1 race means little to no mistakes during any session. Reading the weather, the flags, the temperature, the car development, if those don't line up correctly, you will be out of a trophy. And, if you don't have any of those, it is not F1. I've been playing F1 games since PS2. When Codemasters came along and wanted to include the whole experience I dismissed it because I just wanted to drive. However, today, in any other game, if the F1 experience is not there, it is not F1.
Let's hope Codemasters will put some effort in race feeling. Not like now when you're hovering over the ground. I guess that's the really tricky part of coding that only a few are mastering, like Gran Turismo, where you can feel the tires try to get a grip on the tarmac.
If some F1 drivers lay togethor some millions they can buy the F1 game license and their own game studio and make a better F1 sim.
im still playing F1 2011 in 2021, i feel that was and still is the best sim from all the codemasters games. turn off ALL the aids and get kristans ai mod v2 and its a great challenging game with good handling characteristics with power oversteer well simulated,which is often the problem with most of them.