Avatar - The Most Successful Failure Ever
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2020
- Since Avatar 2 is rumbling ever closer, I wanted to take a cast my critical eye back on the 2009 original that everyone went nuts over, and try to figure out what exactly they saw in it.
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It's Avatarded then?
How bout I give ya a shot glass made up by the tempered tears of those who would cry "But drinker you dashing fine good sir you, foreign English accent speaking neo naz- umm... critique driven maniac!"
What are we on about?
James Cameron's Avatar 2009.
Though it is a movie with lots of clichés and sadly unsatisfactory replies, I still feel it's a great movie, with several good sides and a classic story that we will always retell in various forms.
Either way, Avatar was a passionate project, created in the love and art of Cameron to tell a good story. And I respect Avatar for this.
dude I never even seen Avatar, I heard the general plot synopsis and I saw every plot point coming. This is what I think happened in the movie, good guy joins corporate/military exploration, good guy explores new worlds with an uptight boss telling him what to do, good guy falls in love with new world, good guys team attacks new world, good guy and friends defend new world from old boss whos now the bad guy. I have never even seen a trailer for this movie mind you.
Thank you, I thought this movie was garbage for those exact same reasons but everyone called me crazy!...... well who's crazy now? LOL
I still can’t believe they literally named it “Unobtainium”.
What's funnier is that Unobtainium is a real, trademarked thing. It's the rubber Oakley uses on it's glasses and goggles and probably other shit.
What’s worse this or Star Wars’ Way finder
What about "Batmanium"?
@@dzalva1434
Damn is that a real thing
To be fairz they didn't obtain it in the end :P
“Way back in 2009”
...I’m getting old...
We all are, Im 23 and Im already feeling im too old...
@@guilhermehank4938 me too.
Damn, that was 1 year after I left elementary school. Still remember how much hype surrounded this movie.
Pfft I graduated high school right before 9/11.
Shit, to think i'm technically a millenial.
We're getting old.
We all are 😁😁
I’m 35
Personally liked it. It may be a guilty pleasure because yes, the story is generic. But the worldbuilding, visuals, sound design, etc was awesome. It did a better job teleporting the watcher into the world than making them care about what happens in the story
Check out the Special Edition or the Collector's Edition: all the plot and character development missing from the story is in the deleted scenes. Would've been fine as a three-hour movie, but _no,_ gotta have the shorter runtime and all the tech demo stuff.
Why would it be guilty pleasure though? It's a decent flick. You don't actually have to listen to the man who called pocahontas a superior movie.
Exactly
Yep. I loved it! I don't think I've ever felt like I was transported to another world more than watching Avatar in 3D at IMAX.
A guilty pleasure, much like The michael bay transformes.
They are stupid, brain dead, and chalk full of pointless action and explosions.
But its fun To Look at.
"I'm a cheerful optimistic soul that tries to see the very best in everything" - you got me rolling with laughter there, mate
Yeah this episode really confused me. It didn’t really fit in the whole Avatar: the last air bender plot
It's another spin off like Korra, only not as good
Is that the one with Sasuke???
Chimichanga Warrior no, that’s when they go looking for the one piece. This episode’s how Ichigo becomes hokkage
I love susgay and the hoe cage!
Hahaha. Well played mate.
You see, the humans made the mistake of relying on an element called "unobtainium".
I am powering my robot army with commonite and already control half the continent.
*Hides the Abundantium*
My army eats Happy Meals and we use your robots to clean barf off the carpet.
@@locomotives9217 Until you army dies of morbid obesity, congestive heart failure and severe autoimmune diabetes.
My army eats covid and tears.
Teatanium
The Superior British steel
I remember going to the premier of this with my sister and some of her friends. 3D glasses, sketchy seats, because the room was full, but I was still mind-blown with the visuals. I can't remember a single detail of the story, nor even the characters for that matter. Just that it looked amazing. I think that's what made it so big. For a 2009 eye, it was the most spectacular thing ever. Kids these days will never understand.
And that's the only people that liked it was kids. I liked the effects and 3D glasses. But failed at paying attention to the plot. Or simply too young to understand that this movie troupe has been done to death. With B movie-level acting and characters.
nowadays movie look better and realer with way less of a budget. go figure. but, dated graphics don't make movies or games bad it just shows whether or not it was all novelty or not
The hate for this movie blows my mind. Objectively it's a good movie. It's okay to not like it, but literally objectively it is a good movie
@@frododododo how?
I wouldn't brag about having such a smooth brain. But it's okay, we all can be saved by Eywa metaphorically. Even if you possess very lacking critical thinking skills
This movie needed about 3 minutes more of Giovanni Ribisi explaining that “Unobtainium” was critical for human expansion and the restoration of Earth. Honestly, raising the stakes from “loot the blue people’s planet for the lulz” to “it’s literally a question of their survival or ours” would have made the movie something other than “Dances with Wolves…IN SPAAAAACE!”
Yep. And the very specter of it is probably why they switched tracks to hunting sapient whales in a scene of torture-porn worthy of any slasher flick. No ambiguity when it's rich douchebags wanting to live forever, unlike a concerted effort to solve an energy crisis and possibly restore Gaia.
Nah.... in our capitalistic world, having a stuff that does electrical magic and would be worth the price would be attractive for every mayor company.
Can imagine "TSMC" and "xiaomi" battleships fighting for the mining spot way better than "the world need the new stuff because.... survival...."
In reality, we do the exact same stuff purely for profit. Profit is the only motivator the villains need. It's honestly incredibly realistic.
@@ElectricAlien577 In both movies, the motivations given for such deep evil are so threadbare that they both seem more like cheap propaganda with really good CGI instead of compelling stories with multilayered conflict. Stephen Lang May as well be twirling a Snidely Whiplash mustache.
@@Mrhalligan39
Profit is the motivation that was presented. That is the only motivation needed for an average corporation to carry out atrocities.
The profit motive leads directly to horrific atrocities every day.
Missed one reason why Avatar was so successful- it was the first time CG humanoid character renderings looked fully photo-real and convincingly human-ish. It was mind-blowing for 2009.
looks like a ps3 game now
@@sladewright5779 Uhhhhhhhhhhh… have you actually seen the movie? No, I’d say it still looks photo-real. And even PS5 and Xbox 4th-Gen characters still have a plasticy fakeness to both their rendering and animation.
@@slippydouglas watched it last night stg video game cut scenes
Yes! I remember being obsessed with this movie when it came out. I was 10, but even now the renderings look amazing.
Really? Avatar has aged just fine. Just like Jurassic Park, it's effects are timeless and convincing enough to immerse you into the world.
Avatar's plot summed up "A simp choses to doom entire humanity just because he wants to clap some alien ass" XDDD
Blue alien ass too. Did we learn nothing from Mass Effect, blue aliens are among the worst.
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@arbiterskiss6692 Of course if the sequel would be releastic, we would have the USA/USSR/China equivalent world sending a mass scale assault using drones and such to bomb the shit out of these tall smurfs because it’s a desperate act of saving your species
@@arbiterskiss6692 All I learned form Mass Effect is that alien cheeks are the best cheeks
To be fair he was a crippled lab-rat with no friends, I'd betray my species too if i were like him
That joke about Rodriguez having only roles of a gun shooting Sarah Connor is actually spot on.
At the Avatar premiere in Tokyo, they gave packs of tissues to the guests because they expected us to cry. James Cameron used the word "journey" about 20 times during his intro speech before the film started.
Did you cry?
@@marthvader14 * *crickets* * * *tumbleweeds* *
@@marthvader14 he cried. And at the end credits they played "Don't Stop Believin" by Journey
Funny, I remember catching my dad tearing up after Hometree was destroyed
Lame, they should've played "Who's crying now" by Journey
“And that’s the plot for dances with Fern Gully Pocahontas aliens while Saving Private Ryan from 9/11” OMG 😂😂
I know 😭😭😭😭😭😭🤣🤣😂🤣😅🤣😂😜😜😜
Still, why would you copy off Fern Gully and Disney's Pocahontas??
Those two films suck balls!!
And I really think The Drinker should rip those two films apart!!
Now that's pontificating!!!😂😂😂
LOL
Yup, Fern Gully in space🤦
"The ultimate irony with Avatar is that for all the time and money spent to make this movie in 3D, the story and the characters were still stuck in one dimension." -Mr Pinkett
@Jack D Mowrer Hold up, hold up! Are you mad, homie? Uh oh, aw naw, somebody mad!
The plot is probably simple because it has sequels coming out. Probably in the second movie they will explore the crisis earth is facing and we will see that the military is just trying to make everyone survive
Got it. So when the sequels come out a decade later, the first one will transform into a rich story with compelling characters
@@mrfauxxx I hear it's coming out 2021
@Jack D MowrerDid you like your own comment? That's.. really depressing. I was willing to keep mocking you a bit, but if that's all you've got, maybe you should go away now.
When I was 8 years old I watched this movie on the big screen, and the visuals, sound design, and epic action scenes left me utterly amazed. It was one of my earliest movie experiences, so those aspects of the film are the only things I vividly remember.
The jellyfish saying 'nah, it'll be fine' fucking broke me 🤣
Avatar's sequel, the only thing to take longer than Brexit
Here before this comment blows up
Longer than Covid vaccine, longer than Cyberpunk 2077, longer than James Webb telescope, someone already mentioned HL3, the list goes all the way to heat death of the universe
As long as Yandere similator
And there’s still three more avatar sequels planned to come out after it lol
Longer than the Fnaf movie
"That's the plot for Pocahontas aliens while Saving Private Ryan from 9/11." That's something I thought I'd never hear.
I am an Avatar defender and that argument never made sense to me. The Dances with Ferngully or Pocahontas aliens while Saving Private Ryan from 9/11 thing states in the complaint that LOTS of movies have similar story lines. You just listed a ton. It is more about how the story is told and he says it in the first couple moments of this video. Cameron tells the story well. It isn't a great story but it is a spectacular experience.
@@garrettperman3200 The problem here is that all those things have been done before, just better. It's a really nothing movie, overlong, preachy, and unimaginative. One defence for Avatar I always hear is the 3D, but if that's the only real good thing about the movie it fails in my book. I don't understand why it was so popular, and never will.
@@JDelwynn "and never will" Then you aren't really a part of the conversation. You are stating clearly your opinion won't ever change. So you aren't worth talking to about this. By calling the movie 'preachy' you've made it religious or political or something in your head and now you have nothing but hate. Then you go on to ignore the entire point I just made by then calling it 'unimaginative.' Very safe to say you aren't judging the movie on its own merits.
Ignorant hatred aside, it is actually an incredibly well presented movie. Yes, the 3D is the best ever and best since, but moreover it is engrossing, imaginative, and exciting. You are experiencing an alien world up close. And the attention to detail (naming of plants, songs they created, language, dance, how the technology works, etc) is one of the most immersive experiences of all time. It isn't the first movie to tell us to save the forests, but that isn't really the point. The point is watching them catch a giant alien hark and ride it in to battle. If you can't get past one element of the movie... Well, I am guessing you hate almost all movies. I haven't encountered a single movie that didn't have even one thing I didn't like.
Jake is also the alien big bird riding Messiah lets not forget.
@Degrelegence
You may be right. But it still doesn’t deserve to be this popular since it isn’t the best in any way. If I want to watch a good movie that keeps me entertained for two and a half hours, I go watch a Tarantino movie
The reason why Avatar is so loved is because of how incredibly unique and amazing the world of Pandora was. Now yes the story was simple, but the visuals of the movie help tell the story in the most cinematic way possible. The unique landscapes of Pandora in such awe. A movie can have a great and unique story, but you need the visuals of the movie needs to tell that story and that is what James Cameron is able to do.
I'm guessing you're not one of the people who wanted to go to New Zealand where Avatar was filmed and produced to find the literal locations where it was shot. 😀 Someone actually needed to tell some people that nowhere in New Zealand looks like Pandora.
Exactly this is one of these rare movies where the simple plot is actually enjoyable
Idk why people complain the story being so simple. Since when a James Cameron movie is extremely complex with an Albert Einstein IQ story on the page?? People seemed to forgot about Titanic huh and how simple the story was, a sinking ship with a Romeo and Juliet tone to it, yeah weird how simple is now a bad thing when it's not
It's a horrible movie. I just watched it after about 10 years. Good lord it's bad.
@@4deleDaz33mThe problem is the story was generic and not original in anyway. Even simple stories can still be original and compelling and Avatar just wasn’t that.
I appreciated the district 9 call out. I recently watched that movie and I thoroughly enjoyed it. If you like sci-fi alien movies I recommend you watch it.
One thing that I love about Avatar is that Jake's actor actually did everything like an actual independent paraplegic would do.
I'm only saying this since I've been over half of my life paralyzed by my own idiocy and the point where he gets into his Avatar body and runs into the sand and wiggles his toes in it is spot on.
That's something I'd do immediately.
Otherwise the movie is just Pocahontas in space.
you just made me appreciate my legs more man, so thank you for that. And i'm really sorry to hear about your situation, I really hope one day there's a way to completely cure it
Hey I’m sorry to hear about your situation. I deeply hope you’re able walk again one day.
I'm sure you know of the famous Joni Eareckson Tada, a quadriplegic who has an incredible story. She was also paralyzed due to her own mistake, it's a unique name. Don't be so hard on yourself, we all do incredibly dumb things when we're young and stupid, and often when we're old and stupid. I wish you all the best, I hope a cure comes in your lifetime.
@Stripey Arse dont forget to mix in some Fern Gully
Guys, there's no need for pity :D As I said, it was my own stupidity. I'm glad you wish me the best, I truly am, but I don't need any pity (if that's the correct term to use here).
I've dealt it with so long and made my amends 13 years ago, but I can't say that I wouldn't miss those soccer games etc. ;)
Navi: Cheering as the space ships leave.
Humans: Radio the USCM, tell them to prepare all the CN-20 for regional saturation.
Jake and the Navi: Why does it suddenly smell like bitter almonds?
“Let’s nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure”
The Imperium of Man approves.
@Brian Prior tell that to the Mobile Infantry!
You don't even need to work that hard. Push asteroids towards the planet. Bonus: Meteor craters easily convert into initial mining sites.
@@besteger I agree. The Orks from 40k (mind you, the most belittled race in that setting) are pretty much masters in plucking asteroids and using them as mines or as hand-made ships. If those guys can make it despite being "stupid", then so could the humans from Avatar!
Certainly a guilty pleasure, the visuals, music and atmosphere is a very mesmerizing spectacle to witness you'd get through the characters pretty quickly. What I'm very much hoping The Way of Water is Cameron making the characters more complex, adding their motivations, what makes them, problems that ties in characters, a lot more. Just wish there was more in the first.
I don't see how the story can be salvaged, when the entire idea of aliens looking like that is just bonkers. They look like they evolved in Australia, and not on another planet. We have stranger creatures in our oceans on Earth. I wouldn't mind if he just made them giant octopuses on land, and pretended that the first movie didn't exist. Hell, I experience greater culture shock when traveling to Montenegro, than if I were to meet the Navi. Seeing actual aliens on another planet would be an improvement.
@@julius43461 what?
@@Flugs0 Apart from the funny part where I typed "Navy" to describe the Navi, what else did I get wrong? You can't go to another planet, and meet human/cat hybrids there. Life is way more imaginative than that. The fact they were lazy and just created them in order to have something resembling a sex scene tells me they really wanted to get the mainstream dummy to like it.
I guess the story could be salvaged, if it turns out that long ago humans actually created the Navi, and did so by mixing human with cat DNA. Perhaps a lonely cat lady scientist did that without approval of others. Would be odd, but a decent explanation for aliens looking so similar to us.
@@Flugs0 He says that those blue aliens are too similar to humans, considering the fact that they evolved on another planet and have nothing in common with humans, and l think that's the biggest problem with this movie
@@anteveic327 of course they're too similar too humans, but these are the creatures that the audience is supposed to relate to and feel sympathy for, so obviously using giant tentacle monsters would be a very bad move. but saying that this is the biggest problem with the movie is nothing short of ridiculous.
Avatar is a great movie. Yeah the story and characters are super simple but it's all very well put together for what it is. Plus the visuals are super detailed and incredible.
Also at 8:00 Grace kinda explains what's going on beforehand, that the planet has a neurological network that connects everything to it. Jake and Neytiri also visit a forest of trees where natives "upload" their memories to the network. So it isn't like this ritual comes from nowhere, there's a significant amount of context as to how this is happening.
yess i just feel this guy didnt catch the essential ideas of the movie. This movie was and is art.
It’s too simple. That’s why the Visuals carried it. The story is practically non existent with zero nuance.
@@pepitoculazo665 The CGI is the art. Not the story
No. You haven't seen a real movie yet.
"tHe pLoT iS tOo siMpLe" yeah I fucking get it that the plot is simple, but I still love it. Just because a bunch of CZcamsrs said the plot is simple doesn't mean you have to shove it to everyone's faces. Just let people have their own fucking opinions.
Avatar 2 plot: Humans find an even more valuable resource on Pandora called 'Unaffordium" and fight the natives once more. THE END
*cantouchium...one of the elusive elements in the middle of the periodic tables theoretical islands of stability*
Contrivium
Avatar 7: Blue Lives Matter
Plotdeviceium
No! You’ve given away the plot, I’ll be disappointed when I go to see it, if I’m still alive when it premieres
James Cameron, 2009: "Hmm...how can a bunch of lizard-birds successfully ambush a fleet of hi-tech aircraft...I've got it! Maybe the gunships don't ever think to look up!"
JJ Abrams, 2019: "Hmm...how can the Resistance fleet stand any chance against a fleet of Star Destroyers with Death Star lasers...I've got it! The Star Destroyers don't know which way is up!"
Don’t forget riding space horses on the ships hull
Do you suppose the floating rocks were originally and only purposed for the climactic fight rather than some beautiful scenery? I think so.
Up is a hard direction
The difference here is that even Cameron’s failures are still visually stunning films that can still be enjoyed even if the story is stupid,, while I wouldn’t wipe my ass with the scripts of the Sequel Trilogy films.
Billion dollar plot contrivances can kiss until spitshined, the darkest part of my black ass! Sad for the brilliant people out there that will never get published by anything more than a literary mag, and these frauds make bank having final battles be decided by villains who are scripted to be daft when the climax music comes on.
Years later, no lesson learned. He killed it again at the box office.
By far my favorite part of this movie was the human vehicles. I watched this as a kid (like 4-5 years old) and this was the first time I’ve seen anything like a mech on screen. I LOVED them. To this day, my favorite vehicle in all of science fiction is still the helicopters in this film. When ever I find myself drawling vehicles, mainly Aircraft, I always take some inspiration from avatar. The creatures are also beautiful to watch. Hell I really want to see what one of those hammerhead things look like in real life.
Those aircraft in Avatar were heavily inspired by the Ornithopters in Frank Herbert’s Dune.
@@josiahanderson9328 what do the ornithopters have to do with it?
@@josiahanderson9328 no
"Avatar is all about surface level spectacle and shallow emotion, dazzling the viewer with grand visuals but failing to deliver anything deeper that's worth reflecting on".
Avatar? You just described Hollywood to a T!
Yeah I think he has some personal grudge against avatar because almost every of his critics could be applied to most movies this days, Imo the movie is not great, it has a lot of wasted potential but calling it a garbage fire is a overstatement
*I'm a big fan of the drinker, and have watched and agreed with ALL of his videos. But he's drastically wrong with his main gripe against Avatar,* in presuming that it's story is a Cookie-Cutter Rip-Off Version of other "White Saviour", "Dances With Wolves", and "Pocahontas movies". *Hear me out!!:*
Drinker's Criticism of Avatar being an over-used metaphor for the Native-American-Indian Genocide is not unique, and was the main Gripe by most Critics when the Movie was released. But I disagree. *Instead, Avatar, more accurately depicts the much-neglected historical Genocide and Oppression of West Europe, by Roman/Catholic Imperialism. SIMILARLY TO THE NAAVI, the Gauls were Pagans (which literally translates to Country-Dwelling people), who lived in small tribes, very much in accordance with nature, and were considered to be Blonde-Haired Horse-Riding Giants by the comparatively smaller Brown-Haired Romans.*
*According to Roman Historian Tacitus and Ceaser himself, they would all bath naked together in the rivers, and were generally ALL virgins until the age of 20+, after which they were completely monogomous (except sometimes the nobles who were allowed Polygamy on account of their rank). And I quote:*
"The young men are slow to mate, and reach manhood with unimpaired vigour. Nor are the virgins hurried into marriage. Being as old and as tall as the men, they are equal to their mates in age and strength, and the children inherit the robustness of their parents. Life is all in hunting and military exercise. From childhood they train for labor and hardship. They have great praise among them for those who remain longest without sexual experience. Some think this makes for height, muscle, and strength. Indeed to have had knowledge of a woman before age twenty they think very shameful, and there is no hiding it."
The entire religion centred around Reincarnation, The Placenta, and Trees. *SIMILARLY TO THE NAAVI,,* they believed in reincarnation and during the initiation festival of Yuletide (aka Haloween-Christmas) the young members of each tribe had the chance to regain their past Hamingja/honour, memories, and possessions. The Naavi is clearly a more magical take on this, where the trees can store human consciousness and communicate with the forest, but the parallels are clearly there.
Under Ceaser & the following Roman Emperors/Popes, unknown millions of innocents were massacred. It first began with Ceaser (who against the will of the Senate, and in apparent self-defence) slaughtered his way through Gaul. *Similarly to the Human-Antagonists of "Avatar", the main purpose of these genocides were to acquire Wealth & Resources, via Taxation and the looting of all of the (relatively untapped) Gold Mines in Gaul, which could be used to pay back Ceaser's many debtors. Gaius Julius Ceaser and Octavian indeed masters of propaganda, and hence today there are very little reliable non-bias sources about their reigns (or about the great Carthaginian Empire which existed not long before them), but it's unquestionable that despite how good they may've been for Rome - the Emperors were disastrous for the Pagan populations of Western Europe.
*When looking at a Character like Jake-Sully, his character aligns far, far more with the Roman General "Arminius",* than that of the Male Leads in Pocahontas or Dances with Wolves, who lead no great rebellion or are taught to worship nature quite in the same way. For example, when Arminius went to oversee the occupation of Gaul and their taxation and looting of the gold mines, he slowly began hating the Roman's for their destructive greed and ignorance. Anyway, long story short - he ended up switching sides - uniting the Gaulic tribes and delivering the Roman Empire one of it's worst ever defeats @ the massacre known as "The Battle of Teutoburg Forest".
*Lastly, the most potent clarification that the movie is referring to the Oppression and Genocide of Pagan Europe (and not the Native Indians), would be the destruction of the World Tree.* From Donars Oak in Gaul, to Temple at Uppsala in Sweden, to the Irminsul in Germany - the Roman/Christian Occupiers would always attempt to destroy ALL Pagan Temples, especially the most large & monumental ones. Apart from depriving the natives of their temples, these acts of destruction also served as a symbol of disrespect, contempt, domination, and conquest over the local natives - and after destroying their Temples, they would build a Church in its place. *All this goes to say, that there is arguably no other symbolic act more representative of the 1000 year-long war against Pagan Europe, than the destruction of the World Tree.*
*With the above points and Cultural Context taken into consideration, James Cameron ultimately delivered a powerful, magical, and unique retelling of an ancient, and long-forgotten conflict. Personally, I went along to the Cinema with separate family/friends on 3 different occasions, to experience the REVOLUTIONARY 3D-Hype together, and it was an epic viewing experience that I would've given a 8/10. But as with all CGI-intense movies, it doesn't look nearly as good outside of a cinema, and will likely age badly. The generically wooden acting and super-long screentime also makes it a definite when it comes to rewatching. But the first-viewings were really immersive and entertaining.*
Dionysus holy shit man Dionysus makes sense you’d of had to be drinking a ton to be able to sit down and right all that. Phew! Respect.
@@dionysus1917 You need to post that on the general comments. That's a Brilliant take.
@@riftvallance2087 Cheers mate. I'm an avid history buff, and ALL the critics were saying the same as the Drinker when this movie came out. I can understand why they would dislike it though, if you presume that it's making a HUUUGE leap in mental gymnastics, to associate Naavi with Native American Indians. But the Naavi's story is very similar to that of the ancient Gauls tbh.
What always boggled me about this movie is that human civilization is advanced enough to transfer consciousness to an avatar but not enough to fix a guy in a wheelchair.
thats some valid criticism
They do though, when Jake was talking with the colonel, the colonel promised Jake new legs when he gets back to earth if he works for the colonel and give him information
That boggled you? Ever heard of the U.S. healthcare system? Richest nation on the planet, but too bad if you need affordable insulin to stay alive.
@@Kataroku yeah well we decided to let the government throw a ton of money and red tape at the health care system which is only a part of the reason why it’s so shitty.
To be fair in the deleted intro he mentioned that it's completely possible but the economy is in shambles so he can't afford it.
Mate, I couldn't agree more! I never understood the Avatar craze! It was basically Dances with Wolves in Space. I can't help but wonder if the real reason it's taken this long for a sequel is because deep down Cameron knows it was bad.
Nah, I think the real reason its taken so long to make the sequel is because Disney kidnapped and turned all the CGI animators into slaves and are holding them hostage in basements to make sure their mediocre Marvel TV shows and Star Wars movies can be produced.
_It was basically Dances with Wolves in Space_
That's the most derivative criticism for Avatar. It makes Avatar's plot more original, honestly.
@@randomly_random_0yeah no
They spent most of the budget on CGI and world building. Hell, they even hired a linguistic professor to create the Navi language, a si-fi writer to design all the animals. And they created the CGI that still shits on 90% of the movies in 2022. So I guess that's how they ended up the most cliché plot possible.
I like the way my wife describes Neyteri's relationship arc with Sully:
"I hate you, you're stupid and your people are hurting my world."
"Actually you're pretty attractive so I think I love you now."
"Your people destroyed my home and killed my father! I hate you!"
"Oh you caught a really big bird. I love you again."
If I were a psychologist, I would give some serious toxic relationship red alerts :V
So the moral of the story is ; Catch a bird to lay a chick 👍
@@redpillnibbler4423now that deserves a like
Actually to me it makes a lot of sense.
At first she is deeply scarred by having lost her sister to the humans and so have developed a distrust as well as disdain for them which she projects unto Jake. Eywa starts planting the seeds of doubt into her, and she starts seeing his willingness to learn and his bravery which is indeed attractive. Then she loses her home and her father, feel betrayed by Jake for obviously playing a part, and in the moment would feel strong emotions which she cannot control.
Lastly when she has been given some time to calm down, and not in an emotional outburst, Jake pulls off a very ballzy move and really puts in effort to show where his allegiance lie. He proves his value and bravery once again, and wins back the trust. He's resilient, strong-willed, brave, and he develops an open-mind as well as a more compassionate heart through the cource of the film.
oh you mean how the western propaganda of the ethnic girl can't resist the white man eg james bond and agent X despite bond killed her lover and red corner where a chinese girl half richard gere's age can't resist him frenching him despite asian culture is conservative and she's engaged but somehow its the chinese government accused of no justice (racist) or every fking american/western movie eg a-team movie, generals wife cheats on him and bangs white american protagonist who after winning a gun fight lets her go.....go where you have no husband now lol. Your point at the "arc" proves its MORE offensive then the plight of a native culture being destroyed
I can't begin to imagine how Cameron can get four sequels out of this concept. There should be one 10-minute sequel where the humans leave Pandora and nuke the site from orbit...it's the only way to be sure.
Bet youre a star wars fan
@@KneeoGeeo He meant Aliens my man
@@KneeoGeeo I bet Warhammer 40K
The concept has SO MUCH DEPTH to it but they screwed it all up with the first movie. Imagine if from the start they established multiple corporations trying to vie for control and rival tribes of Na'vi with their own interests fighting each other. They literally only needed to open a history book to get an idea of how much depth there could be to this sort of story but... instead we ended up with this shit. Imagine how tense it would have been if a character (like Jake) was sent there and duringinteraction and research on the Na'vi did develop romantic inclinations towards a Na'vi and the challenges that would come from such an inter-species (inter-ecological 'relationship') would entail. Just from communication to vastly differing biology and perhaps the Na'vi romantic interest doesn;t reconcile, because, maybe their physiology doesn't even include this sort of human pair bonding. The possibilities WERE endless.
Nah, even if you nuke the site, someone will make a bad sequel. Then reboot it, years later, and call it... PROMETHEUS!
For me, the part that I really remember being angry was the scientist twin brother of the protagonist being a plot device rather than a character. Even his fellow scientists colleagues just felt slightly annoyed at someone’s untimely demise.
To be fair, I remember Jake calls them out on their callousness by saying something like "I'm sorry if his death is an inconvenience to you".
I fuckin cackled at the jellyfish "nah it'll be fine" you have a knack for placement, sir
It became the highest-grossing film of all time because it gave us the feeling of being transported to another world like nothing since "The Lord of the Rings."
exactly, when i left theater i had strange feeling about this concrete jungle around me... avatar world really sucked me in
It was possibly the most immersive visual spectacle ever put to film. Best use of 3D in a movie in my opinion. There was a thing called post Avatar depression, tons of articles written about it, news segments, etc... You the audience member wanted to live in that world. Now of course if you watched Avatar on a 14 inch MacBook, you might not feel the same, but if you saw it the way it's supposed to be seen, on the biggest and best theater you can go to, it was an incredible experience. Avatar 2 will easily do the same.
Studio Ghibli being there like:
Yeah I agree. You weren’t supposed to think too hard. Just enjoy the world. Seeing this in 3-d blew my mind.
And because it was re-released a lot of times.
Don’t forget the fact that it was the “first 3D” movie that kicked off the 3D fad in the 2000’s, and the Ultra-realistic CGI world was a major selling point for people to see the film.
This is the right answer.
At the time, it looked like it was going to be the "first" of the "new way to do cinema". Missing this would be like missing "The Jazz Singer."
Then reality came, and it happens to be that 3D isn't really that cool.
L6915 - undoubtedly - The Last Jedi is the ultimate example
I remember thinking: "Eh, looks like game graphics."
I didn't watch it in 3d movies though, but a tv screen once it was avalable. Might have been impressive in a theatre.
@@dtkedtyjrtyj - I remember watching in 3D in the theatre, wasn’t too impressed - looked like pop out characters in a box, did think the CGI was pretty good though.
I don't know anyone who went to watch this movie expecting an interresting story. It was a 3D visual spectacle, nothing more. When me and my friends left the cinema afterwards we were all like: "Yeah, ok. Looked nice."
We weren't disappointed, but there was just nothing really to talk about. As expected.
In Avatar 1. Just to see the connection with the animals and trees ( not a mobile phone or computer) is the best present for me.
Video: 2.9M views
Movie: 2.9B dollars
Perfectly Balanced
As all things should be
“And that’s the plot for ‘Dances With Fern Gully Pocahontas Aliens While Saving Private Ryan From 911’ “ lmao
@BTIsaac So...what you're saying is that new Cameron is a complete hack... Yep.
Search: delgo avatar
Do not forget Dune and Princess Mononoke. Almost like it is a archetypal plot or something.
Missed "The word for world is forest". It's a novel where the aliens are little green monkeys instead of giant blue cats. Mostly the same story but better. No hamfisted sappy trope of the evil colonizer. The natives use firearms because bows and arrows are stupid and nobody who uses them would win a war.
Basically novels are better than flashy pretty toys suitable for children and man/woman children.
"Box office revenue doesn't mean a film is objectively good." This reminds me of what someone else said about books. He said "best-sellers" are called best-sellers for a reason; "best-seller" does NOT mean best writing.
Just look at Sparkly Vampire Story.
Video game sales are probably the most reliable.
Or Harry potter
Kinda like how Suicide Squad (2016) was a box office success
While The Suicide Squad (2021) was as box office disappointment…
Somehow
(Disclaimer: I don’t hate the 2016 suicide squad, but I thought it’s a good example of not too great movies getting success while great movies disappoint)
@@silashurd3597 Likely due to the pandemic.
@@shiranuiaensland1442 probably.
OK - necro posting on a video about an even older movie but...here goes. I saw this in 3D when it came out. I left the theatre angry, like wtf is this piece of absolute refuse I just wasted precious oxygen and money on. Everyone else seemed to be elated, like they had some kind of religious experience but I thought it was trash - on so many levels I don't even know where to start (but you do). Time has not dimmed my active reprehension towards this movie. Thank you Drinker, glad it's not just me.
"Dances With Ferngully Pocahontas Aliens While Saving Private Ryan From 9/11"
What a title!
I remember the year 2009. Everyone I know liked the movie purely for the special effects. Which at the time were great.
Yeah, that's basically it. I don't remember anyone I knew loving it because the story was original or anything. The visual effects were really good. That was it.
Yeah, the effects were awesome. Plus it had guns, ships, aliens, explosions, and epic music. Of course people liked it. I like Adam Sandler movies too. It doesn't need to be groundbreaking or objectively "great" to be a fun movie.
Me who loved the movie for the story .,.
Yeah i remember feeling really let down when i watched it because it looks amazing, but it’s so fucking boring story wise
even still today no movie comes close to Avatar's CGI. most movies today (even those popular big budget like MCU) has a cartoonish CGI.
Disney’s “Atlantis: The Lost Empire” manages to tell the same story, but in half the time and with more likable characters.
and the story is actually pretty good in atlantis unlike avatar
Yeah but does it have awesome high budget half and hour long battle scenes with CGI? I don't think so; Cameron knows what America wants lol.
@@mikesteelheart America made up like one seventh or eighth of its money. This was across America and Canada, Asia, Europe, and Australia and all areas played major roles in its success.
@@mikesteelheart Just because a movie has a high budget and incredibly made CGI fight scenes, DOES NOT ALWAYS AUTOMATICALLY MEAN ITS THE GREATEST THING TO EVER GRACE THE SILVER SCREEN.
@@Yellow123Ninja I was being sarcastic lol.
Drinker: "James Cameron might learn this the hard way" - 2020
James Cameron: "Avatar 2 needs to make 2 billion to break even" - 2022
Drinker called it pretty well IMHO.
It dosent need to make 2 bilion by the way just 800 milion
This gona age so poorly 😂🤣😂. Never bet against James Cameron
Avatar was already one of the greatest movies of all time. Expertly written, very solid cast of characters, overall a compelling and politically revolutionary story that wastes no time. Visual effects 10 years ahead of its time. Avatar 2, 3, 4 and beyond will cement Avatar as the greatest film series ever created.
@@coolbugfacts1234
Nah man that title belongs to Morbius
@@chaplincrabtree Avatar 2 proved I was right. Avatar is not just the best sci-fi series, better than soy wars or soy trek by an order of magnitude. It is already the best film series of all time. In the future, any truly great film will be described as "Cameronian".
I don’t think Sam Worthington is a bad actor, he just needs more scripts like Hacksaw Ridge, where he gets to play more interesting characters.
The idea of utilizing the "avatars" would have been interesting and believable if this was a " first contact" movie instead of a " let's take all the resource" movie.
That's the point. The first contact people, the scientist faction, failed to deliver on making the navi let the corps mine. Hence why they have no more local political juice to do anything.
When Jake arrived his confidence and new freedom of movement made him prone and able to not die one he strayed outside the tight leash that is the little protection the corporate paramilitary still provide.
That's the reason why he singlehandedly made that much progress with the navi, because his survival instinct made him relatable to the navi. The jellyfish seed plot device not really subtle, but it sets the stage for the later animal vs corporate security showdown.
The drinker is not wrong on many points. But other than plot some convenience and using plot pattern found in other work, there is not much to say.
The world building is really good, even the floating islands makes sense since the room temperature superconductor means that the ground is diamagnetic and make the island that are probably big magnets float.
And that would be why the electronic is jammed. Forcing the corporate security to rely on low tech armament since they are a corporate security and not have the R&D for custom built missiles guidance just for big birds. And that is also why they use un armored mechs made for earth. Because they are just of the self armament.
And they did achieved to cram all that world building into a (admittedly long) movie. That's something !
The video game share the same plot, almost to the letter. But allow for choosing the side. And there you see that most of the foundation of the world-building is mentioned in the movies.
@@Vaasref Yep. The scientists are to provide the corpos plausible deniability of "We're working with the natives, seeking peaceful solutions", an excuse and good PR.
That's generally what happens when those with power go to new places. See: origin of America, British Empire.
@@fastertrackcreative you think the pilgrims were "those in power"?
@@DiggitySlice but should they have been the ones to rise to power? Look at israel right now same story-ish.
"Dances with Fern gully Pocahontas aliens while saving private Ryan from 9/11"
Perfect description!
The greatest sentence Ive ever heard..!
I was looking in the comments for someone to have quoted this line so I wouldn't have to. Thanks.
That’s way fucking funnier than it should be
I think you make some good points about Avatar's weak story and lack of originality but I have to disagree about the villain, when watching it recently I was surprised about how much I liked Quaritch. He seems like a strong capable leader, who cares about the people under his command and tries to help out Jake as much as possible. He has a fairly straightforward motivation, wanting to help mine unobtanium (to save earth obvs) but also a disdain for the na'vi due to receiving a scar in battle and witnessing their brutality. I think if the movie first introduced the Na'vi in an intimidating/scary way we would've understood his perspective a lot better.
I think in future films (Spoilers ahead for Avatar Way of Water)
It would be cool to see a Na'vi tribe that teams up with the RDA, maybe Quarritch now in Avatar form gets other Na'vi tribes on his side by convincing them that Jake is a curse on their world and that he betrayed the humans, ran from the Omaticaya and that he isn't the 'chosen one' the Na'vi think he is. They adapt their native tactics with special training by Quaritch and the other Mercenaries. I think this would make the conflict much more morally grey forcing the characters into a tough situation. This while also alludes to the way in which the conquistadors and other colonial regimes conquered different nations, by turning them against each other.
Loved your take on this
Quaritch would be the one you'd follow through hell, klednathu, helms deep, holy Terray to fight heretics, demons, or what have you if he was your commander. The tragedy for him is that he's fighting natives to drive them from their homes all so they could mine the shit under it. Sure Earth needs Unobtanium but Earth seems too far of a concept if you're in Pandora just trying to do your job and not get killed.
But that would make him a hypocrite because he is representing the very thing he would try to convince the Navi to attack. And why would they want to fight his battle? I think casting out what I know about the way of water, the other Navi tribes don't want to be involved with their problems unless it affects them. Even if they team up with another human, or human avatar hybrid, eliminate jake etc. eventually the problems will end up on that tribes doorstep. It would still be a never ending cycle to remove the outsider with too much power you know?
I know this video is 2 years old, but I fucking LOVE that you referenced “Ferngully”….one of my all time faves when I was a kid. Lovin your channel. I thought your accent was totally fake for a minute, but after happening upon one of your live streams recently, I’ve since changed my mind. Thanks for the great content! Hope 2022 is treating you well!🍻
Every time I hear Navi, a little voice in my head says "hey, listen!"
"Hello!" "Watch out!"
Hey! Hey! Hey! Listen! Hey!
Look!
"THERE!" Ah good ol' Navi... PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP!!
Oh it's true....everytime.
I dream of an Avatar 2 where humans show up again with more serious firepower and start clapping alien cheeks left and right because they are out of options back on Earth and it turned into a legit struggle for survival.
Literally bomb them from orbit, done...If Humanity was on verge of extinction then you know we'd destroy the natives in a heartbeat. Jake only had to take down two big ships and a bunch of smaller one. Imagine what our militaries have back on earth.
Ya like the Navi would last five minutes against a full on honest to goodness air strike
Yeah, you know its going to end up with some cheesy White bad guy who wants to take all the resources but a Black protagonist is going to save the day and have the whole thing turn into some kind of White Guilt circle jerk.
wouldn't that be a War of The Planet of The Apes knockoff?
@@boodtwo4342 Which is exactly what the Viet Cong did.
Calling it "Dances With Fern Gully Pocahontas Aliens While Saving Private Ryan From 9/11" killed me 🤣
I still haven't seen this movie. Not planning on it either.
9:41 is the greatest summary of a film in the history of films.
It always pissed me off that Jake never actually once asked the Navi or negotiated with them about the unobtainiam. That was literally his task and he never explained it to them. Soo poorly written.
Too busy tapping that blue ass.
@@chasm671 Can you really blame him? It was obvious he had a furry fetish.
You live on a dying world with a chance to survive busting up some primative aliens. You're doing it......dont care how morally strong we think we are. Had the movie explored more of humanities desperation we would have had a better picture. And whats with the natives always being so utopian?. We know they'd of had cultural issues worth looking at.
@@jessicageerligs339 The fact that they had such a strong warrior class in their society was kind of glossed over. You know what warriors are mostly used for? Wars.
@@chasm671 In some of the additional material it did seem that the tribes would fight each other some times. It said they had weapons other than bows as well as shields. You don't really need shields for hunting, not when you could use bows.
"Pocahontas but in space with some big blue kitty cats."
Elon musk wants to know your location
Or like all the alien type movies for a different species. We are the invaders this time.
Eolas pitch meetings
I see youre a man of culture as well
Find the deleted footage, I think it makes it a lot better tbh.
@6:10 One of my more favorite sarcastic monikers for Avatar was "Dances With Smurfs."
Maybe an original idea would have been to have a boy and girl from warring families fall in love against the demands of their families and then end up dying.
Thats the plot for Dances with FernGully Pocahontas aliens, while saving Private Ryan from 9/11, lol....
Do not forget Dune and Princess Mononoke, and John Carter of Mars.
I always called it Dances with Smurfs, but I like what the Scottish drunkard did here...
You're drastically wrong to refer to Avatar, as just Cookie-Cutter Rip-Off Version "The White Saviour", "Dances With Wolves", "The Last Samurai" or "Pocahontas" movies. *Hear me out!!:*
Drinker's Criticism of Avatar being an over-used metaphor for the Native-American-Indian Genocide is not unique, and was the main Gripe by most Critics when the Movie was released. But I disagree. *Instead, Avatar, more accurately depicts the much-neglected historical Genocide and Oppression of West Europe, by Roman/Catholic Imperialism. SIMILARLY TO THE NAAVI, the Gauls were Pagans (which literally translates to Country-Dwelling people), who lived in small tribes, very much in accordance with nature, and were considered to be Blonde-Haired Horse-Riding Giants by the comparatively smaller Brown-Haired Romans.*
*According to Roman Historian Tacitus and Ceaser himself, they would all bath naked together in the rivers, and were generally ALL virgins until the age of 20+, after which they were completely monogomous (except sometimes the nobles who were allowed Polygamy on account of their rank). And I quote:*
"The young men are slow to mate, and reach manhood with unimpaired vigour. Nor are the virgins hurried into marriage. Being as old and as tall as the men, they are equal to their mates in age and strength, and the children inherit the robustness of their parents. Life is all in hunting and military exercise. From childhood they train for labor and hardship. They have great praise among them for those who remain longest without sexual experience. Some think this makes for height, muscle, and strength. Indeed to have had knowledge of a woman before age twenty they think very shameful, and there is no hiding it."
The entire religion centred around Reincarnation, The Placenta, and Trees. *SIMILARLY TO THE NAAVI,,* they believed in reincarnation and during the initiation festival of Yuletide (aka Haloween-Christmas) the young members of each tribe had the chance to regain their past Hamingja/honour, memories, and possessions. The Naavi is clearly a more magical take on this, where the trees can store human consciousness and communicate with the forest, but the parallels are clearly there.
Under Ceaser & the following Roman Emperors/Popes, unknown millions of innocents were massacred. It first began with Ceaser (who against the will of the Senate, and in apparent self-defence) slaughtered his way through Gaul. *Similarly to the Human-Antagonists of "Avatar", the main purpose of these genocides were to acquire Wealth & Resources, via Taxation and the looting of all of the (relatively untapped) Gold Mines in Gaul, which could be used to pay back Ceaser's many debtors. Gaius Julius Ceaser and Octavian indeed masters of propaganda, and hence today there are very little reliable non-bias sources about their reigns (or about the great Carthaginian Empire which existed not long before them), but it's unquestionable that despite how good they may've been for Rome - the Emperors were disastrous for the Pagan populations of Western Europe.
*When looking at a Character like Jake-Sully, his character aligns far, far more with the Roman General "Arminius",* than that of the Male Leads in Pocahontas or Dances with Wolves, who lead no great rebellion or are taught to worship nature quite in the same way. For example, when Arminius went to oversee the occupation of Gaul and their taxation and looting of the gold mines, he slowly began hating the Roman's for their destructive greed and ignorance. Anyway, long story short - he ended up switching sides - uniting the Gaulic tribes and delivering the Roman Empire one of it's worst ever defeats @ the massacre known as "The Battle of Teutoburg Forest".
*Lastly, the most potent clarification that the movie is referring to the Oppression and Genocide of Pagan Europe (and not the Native Indians), would be the destruction of the World Tree.* From Donars Oak in Gaul, to Temple at Uppsala in Sweden, to the Irminsul in Germany - the Roman/Christian Occupiers would always attempt to destroy ALL Pagan Temples, especially the most large & monumental ones. Apart from depriving the natives of their temples, these acts of destruction also served as a symbol of disrespect, contempt, domination, and conquest over the local natives - and after destroying their Temples, they would build a Church in its place. *All this goes to say, that there is arguably no other symbolic act more representative of the 1000 year-long war against Pagan Europe, than the destruction of the World Tree.*
*With the above points and Cultural Context taken into consideration, James Cameron ultimately delivered a powerful, magical, and unique retelling of an ancient, and long-forgotten conflict. Personally, I went along to the Cinema with separate family/friends on 3 different occasions, to experience the REVOLUTIONARY 3D-Hype together, and it was an epic viewing experience that I would've given a 8/10. But as with all CGI-intense movies, it doesn't look nearly as good outside of a cinema, and will likely age badly. The generically wooden acting and super-long screentime also makes it a definite when it comes to rewatching. But the first-viewings were really immersive and entertaining.*
Well, that shut me up.. Thank you.
Caesar did a lot of damage I see ..
"Dances with Fern Gully Pocahontas Aliens While Saving Private Ryan from 9/11" Classic line from Drinker there!
He left out Return of the Jedi.
Nice
True!! 😂😂😂
I'm so stealing this...
I watched it again yesterday in 3D. There is so much detail I think impossible to see it all in one viewing. It's fantastic. Both of them.
we prefer good stories
The first one, tolerable, the second one, come on?, slept after the first hour, I'm not a painter to spend 3 hours considering the strokes, the layers and the colors in a painting.
'Led by Ellen Ripley' hahaha! One phrase is sheer poetry followed by the next phrase, which is humor at the highest level.
What a wonderful channel this is. A Mr. John Daniels to go with it. Amazing.
Take a drink for every “What does THIS remind me of?” or “Where have I seen THIS before?”, and before you know it you’re as slurring and suave as The Critical Drinker himself.
sounds like you just invented a cool new drinking game I'm gonna have to try out.
*Rise, Sir Osis of Liver!*
Reminds me of the drinking game that the Drinker mentioned in his review of "The Rise of Skywalker", where a clip from a 1940's-era movie is used, where this guy is being dared to drink an entire beer at once in front of his friends at a bar.
You can expedite this process by just drinking every time you hear a drinkerism
"Nah, just serve up a cartoon bad guy..."
On that note, am I the only one amazed that the colonel looks like he's rendered exclusively in CGI, even though he's a real actor?
There's an unused scene floating around on CZcams. The lack of post production affects is really eerie.
He is real🤯
Yeah, they made the CGI more 'realistic'.......by making reality look more fake. Everything looks like glossy plastic.
@@OptimisticCynic715 But that works. Since almost everything is CGI nothing pops out for the eye.
You’re not the only one. Feels like watching a video game.
This movie was absolutely phenomenal, I watched it in 2009 and thought it was great and I just recently rewatched it due to Avatar: Way of the Water. I was 12 in 2009, and my thoughts have not changed. In fact I appreciate the movie even more so.
I disagree. I don’t think it was phoenomenal beyond the visual effects, because the story was very been there done that with very little of the complex nuances that these stories require. It just has humans bad, aliens good.
I think thats part of the issue.....
Most people who watched it werent 12 in 2009....
Hell i was 30
We tend to see through things easier once weve hit puberty.
Youre just bit by the nostalgia bug.
Id also ask myself some pretty searching questions if my opinions of things i thought were "phenomenal " hadnt at least mildly changed much since i was 12, never mind had gottten stronger.
I agree I still love this movie I believe its a masterpiece
Why does he have an issue with it being a parallel to colonization
Two reasons. It's been done before and better. The way it tells it's story is very generic and forcefully told.
Two things:
A) Everyone knows deep down that Humankind is coming back for round two.
B) You have gotten really good mileage out of Tyrion vomiting. I support this endeavor.
PURGING INTENSIFIES
It's because he knows when to use it
They're sending Astartes.
Surprise! It's orbital bombardment time!
@Grenzer 23 FOR THE EMPEROR
As with most things, this film's a lot better when you're drunk
I only watched it once, and remember feeling unimpressed, but I have to wonder if it would a good weed or shroom movie.
Yeah! Now it's a party!
Stoned
Every film is better when drunk or high, but especially animated ones, and ones with fantastical scenery.
Sadly no
Thank God for this! My best friend and I walked out on Avatar back in 2009 and, in the meantime, I mercifully managed to forget why we hated it so much. Even though this brings it all back, it was still immensely gratifying to listen to you tear it apart 🙏🍻
simp
Whoa you just opened a new world for me with 7:09. Somehow I never watched FernGully and spent few minutes making a screenshot and searching for the reference. I know what to watch next after this video!
the success of Avatar was proof that the furry market had been tremendously underestimated!
That's what Cats producers thought
@@Russocass
I believe the term is called "Too kinky for their own good!"
As a casual furry, not sure I can think of much good to say about avatar.
The furries have become way to vocal and open in the past decade. They need to be shamed back into the kennel and going back to having pop culture portraying them all as depraved coomers.
@@Sorakeyblademaster37 Just hope you expect the same mercy in return when we fight back.
"That's it for Dances with Ferngully Pocahontas Aliens while trying to Save Private Ryan from 9/11" - OMG this is gold!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bruh thank you for the comment I was about to spend like twenty mins typing it all out
All I remember about Avatar is falling asleep 3 or 4 times trying to watch it.
Oh, and lots of Blue things flying around.
That's about it.
Avatar definitely does not have the most original plot. In terms of world building, it definitely is original. We are transported to another world. I think the one element of the story that sets it apart from other stories like it, is that in this story the indigenous people win. Not only the people, but the entire planet wins against the villain. Jake Sully might provide a strategy to the Na'vi, but in the end it's Neytiri who defeats the villain. SHE ends Qaritch's life, thus putting an end to him and everyone who follows him. I really liked that Cameron had things happen the way they should have happened in real life, versus the near eradication of the native people.
The way they should have happened. Defeat of civilization. That's another part of Avatar - the natives are so idyllic. They never massacre or torture other tribes. They never starve or freeze to death. They never get anything like steel tools or horses from the civilized world.
If they wanted to explain away how dumb it was to name an element “Unobtanium” all they would have had to do was include one line about how a scientist named it that because he theorized about its existence but his peers thought that there was no way it could exist and on discovering he decided to be cheeky and name it unobtanium.
In the original script, "Unobtanium" was just the nickname that the military had given it, because the actual name was too wordy.
Unobtanium is a actual word for a ore you can rarely get, don't get why people are crapping on it
do you know what is periodic table????
@@shakplay3992 why?
@@shakplay3992 i seriously dont think it would matter much in the 22nd century after galactic travel exist ^^' the table would be expanded monthly due to all discovery operation
We need a compilation of Drinker saying "Nah it'll be fine."
YEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHH 1:07
We need t-shirts of his youtube avatar (no pun intended) in black and white, with "Nah it'll be fine." quoted below.
nah, it'll be fine if we don't get it.
Off we go then!
Nahhh, it'll be fine.
This was my first drinker video, I thought I commented but apparently not. Thank you for open bar and also showing me the longman and efap
Look, the movie was worse "dances with wolves". It doesn't even pretend to be anything but. However I have never seen something more visually breathtaking in the cinema in my entire life. It was a movie made in 3D with the effects and sights to back it up. The plot and the characters all serve as a servicable windows dressing for Cameron to basically breath life into a world far more remarkable and beautiful than our own ever could be, and did so in a way that looks actually geniunely real. When the floating mountains appeared I swear to god I was expecting them to fly over my head. That scene alone justifies the whole movie, but it did something immensely rare, in that in the medium it was meant to be seen - big screen, dark room, 3D glasses - it made me believe the absurd and silly fantasy was reality for 2 hours or so. It's like criticising a Marx brothers film for their crappy romances.
Dances with wolves is gay
It was the greatest visual IMAX 3D movie in history. James concentrated on the technology not on the story.
i also got this, he really gather other movies already effective plot resources and mixed it to ensure the movie will have an average happy plot, then focus all the work time on the visuals of the movie. the release of an technological masterpiece were clearly the main objetive of this movie in particular and at this field it really is an absolute success, this movie is 12 years old and it's cgi and effects is equal or superior to avengers last movies..
Like the Michael Bay Transformers films.
Beowolf was released around the same time and was a much better movie. Both visuals and story.
at least he wasn't actively 'subverting expectations' unlike a few others i could name, and that was good enough to hit the billion mark
Hopefully the story gets better in Avatar 2
People act like James Cameron's plot was always unique, but titanic is literally a melodrama
a billion $$ melodrama, that's the difference
Titanic was just a 3+ hour chick flick. Not a fan of that term myself, but I can't think of another one to use.
@@SteveGameSDG
There's nothing wrong with the term at all. Men and women - now, bear with me here - are different. Different things appeal to us, generally speaking. Calling Titanic "a chick flick" is no different than calling something like Big Trouble in Little China or Rambo a "total guy movie". Each of those things is absolutely what it's filed under. Titanic is 3 hours of "repressed rich girl meets a combo Mr. Right/Prince Charming who just happens to also be a way to spit in her overbearing socialite mother's face because of his social class." If that ain't a chick flick, then I don't want to know how bad a _real_ chick flick can be.
This is true.
Sitting in a theater full of women. I told my wife.like any of these women would fall for this “POOR”bastard. The actor yes.not in real life…
I actually enjoyed the movie. Not every story needs to revolutionary, sometimes it can just be good fun, and in a new and exciting setting. Sure, it’s no Shawshank Redemption or Lord of the Rings, but I can enjoy it for what it is… as a kid, I loved it!
I agree with everything, but sometimes you just need to... escape
Damn, this made me imagine how awesome it would have been to have the final battle be between Jake and a sympathetic villain who is truly trying to save humanity. We could have had some awesome lines between the two, with the villain trying to remind Jake that by killing his own military, he is essentially killing humanity's only chance of survival. That would have been some seriously powerful stuff, but then I guess the audience would have sided with the human military and god knows we can't have that, right Hollywood?
We can't have people siding with natives defending themselves either apparently
Glad you brought up District 9 as a comparison. Almost the same story but told in a vastly more compelling way.
exactly, and instead of mining their world for resources. they were literally mining their species for biotechnology. that shit is fucked up
I just couldn’t get over the fact that I was watching a very expensive blue colored Pocahontas
I honestly can’t remember a single thing that happened in this movie. Something about a big tree? I thing someone called it Disney’s
Pocahontas with highly evolved Smurfs
The worst thing about the protagonist is that he's a complete Gary Stu. Hasn't walked in years, learns how to run in 5 minutes inside an Avatar. First trip out, successfully escapes and swims away from giant scary alien without a scratch. Integrates into Na'vi society quickly with almost no effort. Gets blue chick to fall in love with him without earning it. Quickly learns how to fly the dragon things despite never having seen one. Becomes the first one to fly the big dragon thing despite nearly nobody else ever being able to. Becomes the leader of the Na'vi despite never really earning it.
I don't think we saw the same movie. Jake Sully is terrible at most things, he is teased by the Navi as well as the scientists. Jake is nicknames stupid like a child in most of the movie. He has to train to overcome his body's limitations, as well as find a deeper respect and understanding of the Navi culture, such as praying and thanking an animal before killing it. Jake Sully has to rally and unite the different clans to fight to save the forest, and for this is chosen to lead the rebellion. None of that is a Gary Stu in my opinion.
@@rockykay01 "Terrible at most things" like what? I suppose unlike most Gary Stu, you do actually see him stumbling during the learning process, but on every occasion he goes from struggling amateur to god-tier pro in five minutes. Finding out about and developing a respect for Na'vi culture is irrelevant. How much he is teased is irrelevant. The fact that he rallies all of these people despite being an outsider with no issues whatsoever is even more Gary Stu-like, as well as a weird white saviour trope.
He does seem to pick up things very quickly, but I don’t think he’s a Gary Stu IMO. He was a marine, and you keep a lot of that even years later. He acts no different than an average level soldier, except he’s a little defiant and undisciplined. He screws up a lot and grows as a person. He doesn’t have any special abilities or excel at anything better than anyone else really.
I think the concept of a montage eludes your grasp.
@@cringefairy2687 surely he was able to rally the people because they saw that he flew the big bird. The movie began with him dreaming of flying like he was born for it. I think most of his "accomplishments" were set up well enough by the movie. Quickly learning to use the avatar was surely about the can-do attitude and his mental ability. The only relationship it had to do with his paralysis in real life surely was a motivating factor that made him more keen to just get on with it.
This is one of my favorite movies but I'm willing to hear criticism on it although I think that you're off the mark with yours and the Gary Stu aspect of things. For example, I thought Unobtainium was such lazy writing but if I stopped to think about it even more I would come up with greater sins committed by the movie. Such as the ridiculously over the top comic book villain. Still fun to watch though. I respect your opinion, just letting you know that I disagree with it and thought I might possibly get you to reflect upon yours. But it's okay if you aren't swayed by my words.
Remember when Transformers: Age of Extinction became the highest grossing film of 2014? Proof that box office success doesn’t determine critical success.
Yeah but avatar has an easy to follow story and age of extinction is a convoluted mess that is hard to follow...avatar isn’t good because everyone looked up how much money it made in the box office, people just enjoyed it
Well, Transformers are not movies. Just a big advertisement with a huge amount of product placement.
With little to no depth, lazy humor and playing with stereotypes
There are still idiots who think a film making loads of money makes it a good film though. That just shows how many people went to see it not the quality of the film itself.
@@Destroyer2150 Those movies are for children, masked with ads and metal stuff to make it feel like it's for adults.
The two aren't comparable.
Avatar was a visual mind fuck at the time. Especially if you saw it in IMAX. Just like Star Wars was back in '77.
Transformers was insanely popular in China due to it staring giant robots which is catnip for the Chinese audience. It's the entire reason Pacific rim got a sequal. It actually bombed in America but was saved thanks to China.
Only recently discovered this channel. Brilliant ! I remember being so underwhelmed when avatar was out Just couldn’t see any appeal!
And that's it, that the plot of "Dances with Fern Gully Pocahontas Aliens While Saving Private Ryan from Nine-Eleven." Love this guy.
To be fair, when compared to Disney’s attempt at a trilogy, the prequels are works of art 😂
I still love the Star Wars prequels man it had a great story not great dialogue but the story itself if good
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but they are
@@runisa and great lightsaber battles.
@@mirkosaor the lightsaber battles were the best part of the prequels. the choreography is so good.
I'd rather watch episode 2 100 times than rise of Skywalker once
Avatar was beautiful--the best 3D IMAX experience I've ever had at the cinema. Story? Acting? I don't remember any of that. But Cameron did a great job creating that setting.
That 3D bioluminescent world absolutely blew me away. I recognized that the story was very predicable and the characters were flat, but I didn't care. That movie had such an effect on me that I almost got into a car accident on the way home. After 2.5 hours of being immersed in the 3D chaos that was rushing towards me, the sight of a pair of brake lights closing fast didn't seem that concerning. I've never had my sense of reality altered that much before, or since.
Dances with aliens.
🎯
There was a guy in a big robot suit fighting a giant blue alien riding a dragon in 3D IMAX.
✅I guess🤷♂️
An almost fun, sometimes pretty, horribly stupid movie.
I’ve never watched it flat. Why bother?
It was a fantastic movie.
The landscape designs were stolen off of artwork that Roger Dean made for the band yes
So what you are gonna say now that Avatar 2 has made over 2 billion and is soon going to overtake Titanic and become 3rd highest grossing movie ever? 😂
“Sometimes shit movies make a lot of money.”
I personally love it. I think the villain is honestly super generic but other than that I actually really liked it
Quaritch does have a motivation: alien beast gave him that scar, ruining his model career. REVENGE
to be honest, he stole the show as far as humans were concerned lol
@@danbh84 True dat. Sad, but true. Compare him to Burke-wannabe, for example, and he's an Academy Award winner.
Old ? Laméé ?
"DAMMIT! Now I'm TOO rugged and sexy! I'll never make it through diversity screening"
Exactly that, Drinker was sober enough to miss that part
"A New SIMP", "The SIMP Strikes Back", "Return of the SIMP" all in one movie
Dance with smurfs
There will be a secret civilisation under the water, that's well advanced which left the surface dwellers untouched, until the evil humans came and took there shit!
No "The Chad awakens" to cap it all of unfortunately.....
What
@@magallanesagustin4952 you mean “Dances”? Oh yeah, easy mistake because all First Nation names sound the same?
you should do an episode of "drinker fixes" on this. i loved your thoughts on it and agree with a large majority of them