Everything You Need to Know About the Treaty Principles Bill

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  • čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
  • Sean Plunket speaks to ACT Leader David Seymour who tells us everything you need to know about the Treaty Principles Bill.
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Komentáře • 951

  • @neil3488
    @neil3488 Před 7 měsíci +63

    Congratulations David! Your responses to Sean's questions are very well-reasoned and thoughtful. Looking forward to seeing the Bill being debated in parliament and public.

  • @andriesmaritz2055
    @andriesmaritz2055 Před 7 měsíci +42

    Another good interview Sean, and thanks for working hard and staying independent to inform NZ public with true information !!

  • @richardwyatt934
    @richardwyatt934 Před 7 měsíci +96

    Fully support this. Great work David.

  • @saxdearing3395
    @saxdearing3395 Před 7 měsíci +152

    I'm a citizen of a democratic country but have never had an opportunity to vote on this issue until ACT proposed this bill. Bring it on and encourage everyone in this country of whatever ethnicity to have their say. Equality, Liberty and Fraternity.

  • @JackJuretich
    @JackJuretich Před 7 měsíci +23

    Sean and co are the modern media hero’s.
    Real chat + the truth is what all NZ European want.

  • @Neondognz
    @Neondognz Před 7 měsíci +81

    A fair and sensible approach to the issue of equal rights for all New Zealanders. National needs to support this process.

  • @gordonpotts9642
    @gordonpotts9642 Před 7 měsíci +121

    David Seymour is right on who are changing the Treaty principles and the majority are not.

    • @rodnichols6237
      @rodnichols6237 Před 7 měsíci +7

      Majority rule

    • @AmonAnon-vw3hr
      @AmonAnon-vw3hr Před 7 měsíci

      @rodnichols6237 society moves forward, in other words.

    • @gordonpotts9642
      @gordonpotts9642 Před 7 měsíci

      @@kahouli2496 It depends on if you speak for all NZers.

    • @jamesbroughton7635
      @jamesbroughton7635 Před 5 měsíci +1

      2:28 The problem with your statement is that he’s NOT seeking to re-write the treaty because he cant what he’s doing is attempting to re-write the Treaty Principles which are the ideas, phrases and words that are thought to capture the broad sentiments, intentions and goals of the Treaty to allow them to be incorporated into law and applied in practice. In a nutshell, the Treaty Principles are the Treaty’s representative in law.
      They are the Treatys representative in law as there are 2.documents (the Treaty of Waitangi and Te Tiriti o Waitangi). The Government favours the Treaty as it gives them authority, while Te Tiriti says differently. This is why principles were enacted to breathe life to the favored document, The Treaty of Waitangi.
      They were developed over 60 years by academics (particularly New Zealand historians), lawyers, judges and other experts employed by the courts or Waitangi Tribunal, alongside Iwi officials and Iwi governing entities, government officials as well as politicians.
      The principles can be changed, however what Seymour proposes doesn’t even resonate with the spirit let alone the text of the Treaty or Te Tiriti. As most Treaty experts agree that while the 2 treaty documents are somewhat different they both agree that Maori retain right to govern over themselves and their lands. Further to this Te Tiriti o Waitangi (Maori version) is the version recognised in international law, because it’s the version signed by the Chiefs and is one of the reasons why 2:28 was not successful.

  • @nzmeateater
    @nzmeateater Před 7 měsíci +113

    Well done David, spitting facts that the leftys dont like, dont want, ,go hard Dave👍👍

    • @laelles1313
      @laelles1313 Před 7 měsíci +3

      I agree, it's nice to see he doesn't let his Down Syndrome hold him back

    • @moniquebode1655
      @moniquebode1655 Před 7 měsíci +4

      Thats why I voted for NZ First. I like Seymours ideas

    • @badchefi
      @badchefi Před 7 měsíci

      @@moniquebode1655 If you like Seymour, ACT was the obvious choice.
      But I do get it - your about as consistent as the little man himself.

    • @moniquebode1655
      @moniquebode1655 Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@badchefi We live in a democratic country so it's really good that we have freedom of speech

    • @badchefi
      @badchefi Před 7 měsíci

      @@moniquebode1655 your comment above might be very free, and you can keep commenting away, but it still makes no sense.

  • @susanbarlow1585
    @susanbarlow1585 Před 7 měsíci +68

    Clearly explained. All Kiwis need to hear this.

    • @fatbastard70
      @fatbastard70 Před 7 měsíci

      There are none so deaf as those who don't want to hear.

  • @Joseph-wo3tr
    @Joseph-wo3tr Před 7 měsíci +110

    David is the only one with any balls to say how it is! Hes brilliant he stands for alot of kiwis think!

    • @UPTHEWAHSDAY1
      @UPTHEWAHSDAY1 Před 7 měsíci +1

      😂😂😂

    • @bernardguynunns5658
      @bernardguynunns5658 Před 7 měsíci +14

      He's certainly not the only one. Winston isn't far from saying the identical same thing.

    • @helenberry9082
      @helenberry9082 Před 7 měsíci

      @@bernardguynunns5658 Winston is on it for sure

    • @roilhead
      @roilhead Před 6 měsíci +2

      ​@@UPTHEWAHSDAY1So that's a joke. Let's talk about how useless the last Labour Govt was. Jacinda was throw out by her own Party and her policy that had cost the tax payer hundreds of millions. The joke is Labour but somehow you think a Govt that can deliver is not something that is good for all of NZ.

    • @UPTHEWAHSDAY1
      @UPTHEWAHSDAY1 Před 6 měsíci

      @@roilhead FK are you going on about mate?? Lets talk about?? nobody asked to talk to you?? Fkn Clown..

  • @mephistofleece
    @mephistofleece Před 7 měsíci +52

    Seymour has my support. He has balls to stand up to racism and racist violent bullies. 🙌❤️

    • @5150show
      @5150show Před 7 měsíci +1

      Yep

    • @moniquebode1655
      @moniquebode1655 Před 7 měsíci +2

      I voted for him because I like his ideas

    • @mephistofleece
      @mephistofleece Před 7 měsíci

      Same. Seymour has the kahunas that Luxon is missing so badly @@moniquebode1655

    • @natanataare7112
      @natanataare7112 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Kia kaha David so cool and such a calm dude without the theatrics

    • @taniajockwer6350
      @taniajockwer6350 Před 6 měsíci

      Seymour is part of Atlas that basically speaks for gas and oil and was behind the propaganda type No campaign in Australia. Follow the money.

  • @delinquentinparadise
    @delinquentinparadise Před 7 měsíci +165

    TVNZ does not come out of this in any way squeaky clean. It is most certainly time for an enquiry into TVNZ’s supposed neutrality as a broadcaster. And if, as I suspect, they are found to be wanting in that respect there should be a complete investigation as to their financial irresponsibility via a loss of advertising revenue caused by TVNZ content. Financial responsibility being required under the TVNZ Act.

    • @pgreen8531
      @pgreen8531 Před 7 měsíci

      There is absolutely no neutrally in the mainstream media especially tvnz

    • @sunny57jo
      @sunny57jo Před 6 měsíci +6

      In Singapore, they made a law, ‘If any media writes or airs anything against government, the government has the right to take equal time in the same slot and put forward their side’

    • @roilhead
      @roilhead Před 6 měsíci

      TVNZ is clearly one eyed socialist. Their rating must have fallen considerably the past few years.

    • @barrybillington5185
      @barrybillington5185 Před 5 měsíci +2

      I agree 100% and turn TV 1 off as soon as it appears. One side outfit.

  • @annettearundel2491
    @annettearundel2491 Před 7 měsíci +24

    The National party needs to wake up, and get behind you to get a PUBLIC Referendum from NEW ZEALANDERS on this ongoing Treaty document. New Zealanders are sick to death of hearing about it. GET IT SORTED ONCE AND FOR ALL- Let THE PEOPLE SPEAK! Thank you, David!

  • @bigthinker281
    @bigthinker281 Před 7 měsíci +221

    David is a beacon of common sense against a wave of regressive and dangerous racial identity politics that will hold NZ back.
    Well done David👍

    • @pauldansby8285
      @pauldansby8285 Před 7 měsíci +7

      100% ARGREED

    • @dallynstevens7855
      @dallynstevens7855 Před 7 měsíci

      Honor the treaty, quit shafting Maori..... Aotearoa
      Land discovered and first settled by Maori, Maori paid a far to high price for it
      Immigrants came over
      Treaty was meant to be an sacred covenant for unity and peace but then Maori were betrayed
      An have been shafted for years
      Honor the treaty respect the indigenous of this land

    • @bigthinker281
      @bigthinker281 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@dallynstevens7855 Yes i agree. You need to read the treaty. We are one country. One people. What do you think?

    • @ReubenCooper
      @ReubenCooper Před 7 měsíci

      Clearly you don't read, don't study history, or don't know much. Keep up the ignorant comments 😘🤣

    • @dallynstevens7855
      @dallynstevens7855 Před 7 měsíci

      @@bigthinker281 through proper recognition of the Maori and the treaty we move forward there is no free riding without sacred respect toward the efforts made by those who settled on this land first and the covenants formed between two peoples
      Stop shafting the Maori and honor the treaty

  • @olliemoose2020
    @olliemoose2020 Před 7 měsíci +82

    I hope Act continue with this referendum god knows NZ needs it, and don’t be bullied by a small group of self entitled part Māori radicals that try and use Intimidation tactics to try and get there own way.

    • @UPTHEWAHSDAY1
      @UPTHEWAHSDAY1 Před 7 měsíci +2

      NZ needs what? Who's the small group?? Hmmmm

    • @JG-us9lu
      @JG-us9lu Před 7 měsíci +7

      Maori is a small group

    • @valeriehughes1008
      @valeriehughes1008 Před 7 měsíci +12

      Correct the viciousness of Maori bullying is boundless... you get attacked when trying to post your views on this site. I have been attacked in the very nastiest of fashions and had other good Maori come to my defence. The extremists have no regard for anyone else but themselves and have no care for their fellow Maori... it is all just about and the dollar and how much they will get out of it... they use their fellow Maori while doing nothing for them... all they do is bring hatred down on Maori.

    • @rodnichols6237
      @rodnichols6237 Před 7 měsíci

      @@JG-us9lu keep believing that 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @JG-us9lu
      @JG-us9lu Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@rodnichols6237 It True laugh if you like.but censor says your a very small minority. Sense says you have toxic and aggressive culture. Check with the kids.

  • @realistically-r7g
    @realistically-r7g Před 7 měsíci +124

    And yes we who voted for Act want a referendum.

    • @jonturnbull9820
      @jonturnbull9820 Před 7 měsíci +8

      Its not going to get past NZ first and National dont suport it so nothing will come of it

    • @JG-us9lu
      @JG-us9lu Před 7 měsíci +9

      ​@@jonturnbull9820Don't count on it

    • @helenberry9082
      @helenberry9082 Před 7 měsíci +6

      @@jonturnbull9820 It will get past NZ First, don't know where you get that idea, interested to know?

    • @user-no3sl6xz1i
      @user-no3sl6xz1i Před 7 měsíci +1

      Sorry no referendum

    • @jonturnbull9820
      @jonturnbull9820 Před 7 měsíci +6

      @@helenberry9082 Winston and Shane have both said they won't support it when it goes to select committee and how many times have your heard Luxton say he thinks it's divisive? Do you live under a rock or something. This is Seymour's project nothing else

  • @WiremuRanginui
    @WiremuRanginui Před 7 měsíci +42

    There is a lot of confusion of what the principles actually are, We need this open conversation.

    • @StGammon77
      @StGammon77 Před 7 měsíci

      There are no principles, if we allow it, the radical maoris will have more channels to cry breach!! It's simply a hot racist mess

  • @jdrei5080
    @jdrei5080 Před 7 měsíci +53

    Thank you David for mentioning our other bloodlines. My family is mixed culture and I don't want my ancestors to be totally discounted which is how the argument is sounding.

  • @maidaursuladawn44glasgow3
    @maidaursuladawn44glasgow3 Před 7 měsíci +68

    Not hated by me I am hopeful that we can get this settled. And do not have it used as a knife across our necks for decades because that is how it feels to me get what ever it says set in stone so we can get on with rebuilding our country.

    • @myresponsesarelimited7895
      @myresponsesarelimited7895 Před 7 měsíci +3

      It in and of itself is set in stone, but there's hammers and chisels for that, what they're trying to do is rewrite the interpretation they already wrote when they initially paved the way for this mess in the 70s and 80s. They're in effect trying to amend ammendments previously made a few decades ago under the guise it's old, and antiquated, and we need to be progressive- ain't that a trip- the treaty is indeed old- but the ammendments are relatively new all be they worthless in the ICJ.
      ...btw you can make new treaties, but you can't make amendments to a current one. It's a peace accord not a constitution.

    • @iwiterangi5711
      @iwiterangi5711 Před 6 měsíci

      @@myresponsesarelimited7895 The treaty was a peace accord?

    • @sunny57jo
      @sunny57jo Před 6 měsíci

      We all had religious books and their tenets handed over to us by our forefathers. Are we following them verbatim? Are we not discarding those , at least some of them, to suit modern times?

    • @myresponsesarelimited7895
      @myresponsesarelimited7895 Před 6 měsíci

      @@iwiterangi5711 ...pre land war's, post musket war's. That's what stopped the fighting- am I wrong?...

    • @myresponsesarelimited7895
      @myresponsesarelimited7895 Před 6 měsíci

      @@sunny57jo isn't living in peace still relevant? 😔

  • @fredkelly6953
    @fredkelly6953 Před 7 měsíci +49

    Stands to reason why Maori don't want this going through, they'll lose their "special" status because when everybody's special nobody's special. That will be in the spoken rule for sure but over time I think it will be the unwritten as well. They may as well put all their grievances on a shelf because they will become downgraded to irrelevance. The treaty has always been a tough order because on the one hand the government has, will and can never fulfill their obligations and on the other hand Maori have to move on, cut their loses and give up their special status. This bill will force the issue but it's not going to be without a fight.

    • @kattybob1749
      @kattybob1749 Před 7 měsíci +6

      Spot on. Maori will lose there special status. They don't want an even playing feild, they want the medal without even trying.

    • @mattheweden-pc5pk
      @mattheweden-pc5pk Před 7 měsíci

      When I was growing up if you were special you were handicap

    • @SB-Kiwi
      @SB-Kiwi Před 7 měsíci +1

      The bill is a waste of money that doesn't have legs.

    • @gracehowe3692
      @gracehowe3692 Před 6 měsíci +8

      What special status? When my mother and her relatives were growing up, they were beaten or tortured for speaking te reo.. They have never received an apology from the Crown or compensation for the abuse. The Maori "special status" barred them from entering entertainment areas in the 1950s, securing housing and or jobs. My uncle an ex-war veteran was declined 28 rental properties because of his "special" status. My uncles who fought in WW2 returned from war and got nothing for their service, but their pakeha counterparts got housing, education and jobs. My white looking mother had to listen to her pakeha colleagues' rants about "dirty Maori" and other disgusting racist comment. My boss could not sit next to her white mother at the movie theatre cause Maori sat elsewhere. This is how pakeha justice works for Maori when the land is stolen and sold off to someone else by the thief, they have to make a claim, and wait over 100 years before the claim is heard so they can be compensated or receive their land back. However, according to Pakeha justice for non Maori when property is stolen the thief is prosecuted and the victim gets compensation, or their property returned without having to file any claims. Who has the "special" status? One law for all what a load of crap.

    • @dosentmatter982
      @dosentmatter982 Před 6 měsíci

      Check your dirty history England

  • @andrewnoble9199
    @andrewnoble9199 Před 7 měsíci +62

    Go David, we are with you 100%

  • @J.Smith-rc6wh
    @J.Smith-rc6wh Před 7 měsíci +63

    Seymour has the guts and spine that our Prime Minister lacks. All the best, serving the majority is the way to a majority, go you good thing you.

    • @pauldansby8285
      @pauldansby8285 Před 7 měsíci

      100% ARGREED EXPIRED MAORI PARTY THEY ARE all Dinosaurs!!

    • @dallynstevens7855
      @dallynstevens7855 Před 7 měsíci

      Majority isnt always the best way. Paretos principle clearly evidences that!

    • @jamesbroughton7635
      @jamesbroughton7635 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Not so sure about the *Guts and Spine part* Stupidity maybe, as 8% is not the majority and true to form like ACT and like his counterpart Rodney Hyde… I cannot see a very long tenure in politics for him.

  • @diablojames
    @diablojames Před 7 měsíci +66

    My Whānau and I support David Seymour ... say goodbye to the gravy train racists ...

    • @lindamckenzie6500
      @lindamckenzie6500 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Hear hear!

    • @MrTumekeKing
      @MrTumekeKing Před 6 měsíci

      The only gravy train is the rich white guys that influence political agendas.

    • @user-tv2nh8tc9d
      @user-tv2nh8tc9d Před 6 měsíci

      Ahhhhhh just exactly who have been the major benefactors since the treaty was signed? Certainly not the people you're trying to have a dig at

    • @MrTumekeKing
      @MrTumekeKing Před 6 měsíci +1

      Ahhhh just exactly the answer from someone with the head in the sand. 😂.

    • @MrTumekeKing
      @MrTumekeKing Před 6 měsíci +1

      Ahhhh just exactly the answer from someone with the head in the sand. 😂.

  • @communistgreyman2078
    @communistgreyman2078 Před 7 měsíci +108

    I sincerely hope there is no conflict or civil war however it appears there are elements on the left that are willing to start it. That would certainly be a sad day for New Zealanders and I urge everyone to lawfully push back with logic against this occurring. As a Maori I certainly believe this definition should take place as this issue that certain elites are pushing is starting to divide the country. We are all humans and should be equal under law with no favor based on race.

    • @debbielacey6229
      @debbielacey6229 Před 7 měsíci +9

      Hello love, 🧡👏 Well said and I agree with you. With love ❤and blessings 🙏to you and your family.

    • @massimilianocacciamani7736
      @massimilianocacciamani7736 Před 7 měsíci

      There will be no civil war. Nothing major happened when the government forced untested drugs onto the population. People just didn't have enough fight left after a day's work.
      What I hope is that our elected electorate sticks up for our rights as humans, and if we need a referendum to make sure that kiwi's are treated equally, then I dont think our politicians are looking after us... Equally.

    • @vegaskiwi4255
      @vegaskiwi4255 Před 7 měsíci +11

      Agreed ! Lets get this done for the benefit of the whole country

    • @StGammon77
      @StGammon77 Před 7 měsíci

      The left will whip up and incite terror like they always do

    • @DEFENDERNZ
      @DEFENDERNZ Před 7 měsíci +13

      I agree. There are those from both sides, Maori and non-Maori who seem to have personal interests in coming out on top. Be it money or fame, they need to be called out for conflict of interest.
      The rest of us just want the prosperity and stability this country had before this all blew up.

  • @bronwynsearle2117
    @bronwynsearle2117 Před 7 měsíci +35

    Yes, good on you David.. the truth hurts.. too bad..its time it is sorted out 👍

  • @ShirleyZhang-bt4dj
    @ShirleyZhang-bt4dj Před 7 měsíci +21

    Go David Seymour.You always give a balanced and succinct view.

  • @broniabutler4166
    @broniabutler4166 Před 7 měsíci +27

    Well said as usual David Seymour behind you 100%

  • @Mcrauder800
    @Mcrauder800 Před 7 měsíci +140

    I'm even more impressed with David Seymour, that's how you deal with the irrational racist left.

    • @moniquebode1655
      @moniquebode1655 Před 7 měsíci +8

      I think he's the voice of reason in the messed up times we are living in

    • @cjkelly5515
      @cjkelly5515 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Another immigrant

    • @schlookie
      @schlookie Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@cjkelly5515 why don't you go back to Taiwan then.

    • @zweed69
      @zweed69 Před 7 měsíci

      @@cjkelly5515 lmfao look at your pic bro, who ate all the pies 🤣🤣🤣

    • @patriciakimber4312
      @patriciakimber4312 Před 7 měsíci

      Thank goodness for David , stay strong and carry on , yours doing brilliantly, all those whingers can change nothing because you are in government with the majority

  • @bigthinker281
    @bigthinker281 Před 7 měsíci +113

    Your race, gender, or superficial features do not define you! Your character does!

    • @Anonymous-c4p
      @Anonymous-c4p Před 7 měsíci +3

      It helps if yer a biG thinker 🤔💛

    • @bennichols1113
      @bennichols1113 Před 7 měsíci

      Except for legally. Ministers are appointed for exactly those traits. Non maori men are the benchmark and all other groups get a minister. A minister can only be appointed if a group is disadvantaged. So women, children and maori are seen by the government as inferior to non maori men.

    • @AmonAnon-vw3hr
      @AmonAnon-vw3hr Před 7 měsíci +3

      @bennichols1113 you've got it exactly backwards lol

    • @bennichols1113
      @bennichols1113 Před 7 měsíci

      @@AmonAnon-vw3hr write to the NZHRC and ask. You can't name the mans minister can you?.

    • @jamesbroughton7635
      @jamesbroughton7635 Před 5 měsíci +1

      So that means David Seymour’s 2 very small splashes of paternal brown paint makes him an expert on Te Tiriti now? And that his new found *Maori-ness* allows him to use it as a weapon against his own people (as he calls them).

  • @darrenford8988
    @darrenford8988 Před 7 měsíci +12

    David Seymour for PM..everything he said makes perfect sense.

  • @cullenkehoe5184
    @cullenkehoe5184 Před 7 měsíci +127

    Go Seymour. We are headed toward feudalism where we are the peasants if this is not clarified once and for all.

    • @AmonAnon-vw3hr
      @AmonAnon-vw3hr Před 7 měsíci +3

      Not feudalism, which is a concept created in the 30s and 40s to describe a naturally forming way of life given the social constructs and technological advancements of the time.
      The only opinion for the indigenous population would be Chiefdom.
      These are stratified tribal societies led by chiefton: Some tribes had a very complex organizational structure and these tribes were led by a head called the chief or Rangatira . As with most peoples who use this system, this is a social organization more complex than a tribe (hapu/pori) and less than a civilization. Such kinds of social organizations are called chiefdoms which are very unstable and were prone to cycles of collapse and renewal. An example of this kind of social organization would be the Germanic Peoples who conquered the Western Roman Empire in the fifth century. They had a complex social hierarchy comprising of:
      Kings.
      A warrior aristocracy
      Common freemen serfs.
      Slaves.

    • @jameskjx
      @jameskjx Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@AmonAnon-vw3hr your point is? I mean: that's what the treaty actually says (not what Seymour misinterprets the treaty to say). The treaty was written by the British Empire in 1840 - an Empire that was about to support the Confederacy in the US Civil war! The idea the British in 1840 (or even today) supported equality before the law, the removal of the hereditary aristocracy, universal suffrage, women's rights, is utterly crazy.
      Having a conversation about the principles of enlightenment liberal democracy - or the country - is fine.
      That's not what Seymour's draft bill, which does exist, which you can find on his website does.
      But the treaty has absolutely nothing to do with those principles. How could it?

    • @danielkamana5612
      @danielkamana5612 Před 7 měsíci

      Abolishing free speech ...still a threat to government

    • @cullenkehoe5184
      @cullenkehoe5184 Před 7 měsíci +5

      @@jameskjx Seymours bill says everyone is equal. Since so many are melting down over this, clearly many feel Maori should be more than equal under the law. What is a recent form of social org where some individuals were special under the law and in leadership positions owning the land (or the water!)...feudalism I'd say. These Lefty activists want to institute feudalism where we are the peasants.

    • @jameskjx
      @jameskjx Před 7 měsíci +4

      @@cullenkehoe5184 there are a bunch of issues here: The operative part of Seymours bill makes it *unconstitutional* to discriminate in any way for any reason "on the basis of ethnicity" and overrides any and all existing laws and precedents.
      My comments would be unconstitutional if the law is passed as is: because I'm advocating for "discrimination on the basis of ethnicity".
      The problem is: given NZ's history of erasure of Māori property rights, this law will do the opposite of establish one law for all: it will entrench one law for whites, and another and lesser law for Māori, as the highest constitutional principle in the country, and in a way that cannot be repealed or amended.

  • @nzreggae2534
    @nzreggae2534 Před 7 měsíci +90

    The media discuss this as a racial divide. But I think of Rawiri's threats of violence as a sign his Father in law is going to get less public money with this government and isn't happy.

  • @sherylwhite2201
    @sherylwhite2201 Před 7 měsíci +16

    We have to be writing to Luxon to remind him that Act and its ideas were what many NZers voted for. Despite the hysterics we see in the media, a very large number of us would like to the conversation about the Treaty principles to happen, and for either the Bill to be passed or a referendum to take place.

  • @ronaldwarren1267
    @ronaldwarren1267 Před 7 měsíci +21

    David keep on doing what you do excellent job straight up no bs

  • @groundchen8810
    @groundchen8810 Před 7 měsíci +14

    Well done David, good on you, go ahead with a referendum finally.

  • @user-bx5sk9lm6s
    @user-bx5sk9lm6s Před 7 měsíci +80

    Time for a New Zealand Constitution.

    • @marknicol4957
      @marknicol4957 Před 7 měsíci +14

      Formally written down.
      Not the unwritten one we have now

    • @user-bx5sk9lm6s
      @user-bx5sk9lm6s Před 7 měsíci

      Exactly ​@@marknicol4957

    • @johnjones5995
      @johnjones5995 Před 7 měsíci +15

      If you want a constitution i would suggest it's time to get rid of the Crown and become a republic. Get rid of all things that relate us to the Crown and England and start fresh.

    • @user-bx5sk9lm6s
      @user-bx5sk9lm6s Před 7 měsíci +4

      @@johnjones5995 👍 Great Idea, Time for the big boy pants.

    • @iamnotarobot2378
      @iamnotarobot2378 Před 7 měsíci +11

      ​@johnjones5995 If by 'all things that relate us to the Crown' you refer to Treaty of Waitangi then certainly. It needs to be the first thing to go along with the grievance industry built around it.

  • @nzreggae2534
    @nzreggae2534 Před 7 měsíci +78

    A couple of weeks after Golriz is exposed as a serial, large scale, high value thief, James Shaw resigns.

    • @stevew656
      @stevew656 Před 7 měsíci +15

      With James resignation, he will be the last co-leader male for the Greens we will see for sometime.

    • @JohanThiart
      @JohanThiart Před 7 měsíci +15

      It will be interesting to see how JS’s resignation will affect the green vote and the green movement.

    • @andrewoh1663
      @andrewoh1663 Před 7 měsíci +16

      Conveniently when he's clocked up enough service in Parliament to get the full MPs pension.

    • @ducker09
      @ducker09 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Jimmy knows who the woman " wingman " is in vidio. Of that common thief from his party. He's jumping before the proverbial hits the fan .

    • @ronaldwarren1267
      @ronaldwarren1267 Před 7 měsíci

      See Jame shaw you have false certificates it's going to come back to bite your all crooks in that party any way

  • @andymck62
    @andymck62 Před 7 měsíci +21

    love the guy hope for our country.go get us sorted mate.

  • @alfredbok278
    @alfredbok278 Před 7 měsíci +31

    David is cool, calm, reasonable. I'm glad he's our M P.

  • @josec.278
    @josec.278 Před 7 měsíci +60

    David will become more loved by his voters the more is hated by the radicals. Hold your ground and go on. This endless re-re-interpretation of the treaty to the convenience of a few has to stop somewhere.

    • @KINNZ94
      @KINNZ94 Před 7 měsíci +3

      I really appreciate what David is doing.

  • @urbanegorilla6005
    @urbanegorilla6005 Před 7 měsíci +83

    Well I never...two grownups talking about the treaty. How did that happen?

    • @calstonjew
      @calstonjew Před 7 měsíci +6

      They are White, after all.

    • @rogermartin8435
      @rogermartin8435 Před 7 měsíci +15

      What no shouting, no interrupting rudely, no bullying, no singing in te reo, no dancing, no attempting to threaten and intimidate That is not the native way and they have rights.

    • @calstonjew
      @calstonjew Před 7 měsíci +14

      @@rogermartin8435 Eyes popping, leering in a threatening manner or waving their spears and clubs around

    • @Anonymous-c4p
      @Anonymous-c4p Před 7 měsíci +2

      ​@@calstonjew⚡️IMPLY⚡️UPERIOR ✋️💛

    • @andreatodd3095
      @andreatodd3095 Před 7 měsíci +3

      Interesting,discussion, public service are at fault as well, if they don't stand up and allow due process they are guilty. their opinion does not hold any validity prior to the bill being tabled for discussion, or even after, the select committee has that job.

  • @brownee20007
    @brownee20007 Před 7 měsíci +13

    Yes, let's have a referendum. One nation one people. No one should be treated like first class citizen, we are all New Zealanders

  • @Digmen1
    @Digmen1 Před 7 měsíci +66

    Great, we need to back ACT on this.
    Time get rid of the rascist Waitangi Trinbsunal
    And all Co Governance that has followed it.
    Democracy means one vote per person and no special treatment

    • @UPTHEWAHSDAY1
      @UPTHEWAHSDAY1 Před 7 měsíci

      😂😂😂😂 looky looky

    • @annetteblack9573
      @annetteblack9573 Před 7 měsíci

      I see a future of the common person being banned from many free accesses they have now. Welcome to America.

    • @roberthooker4970
      @roberthooker4970 Před 7 měsíci

      Demonacy! Where is the coalition agreement between NZ First and ACT? Were all MPs hear all the discussions that took place about the writing of the coalition documents? This did not occur at stated by an ACT MP then the MPs of each party were not fully informed before they made their confidence vote. So is it that democratic?

    • @roberthooker4970
      @roberthooker4970 Před 7 měsíci

      Can money and how it is used influency an electrol system?

    • @zweed69
      @zweed69 Před 7 měsíci

      @@roberthooker4970 look up the electoral finances act bro, helens legacy, its all part and parcel with this corruption and as far as democracy goes, I hope you were at parliament protesting the single largest breach of democracy in nz history, the jab mandates

  • @woofwoof9647
    @woofwoof9647 Před 7 měsíci +34

    Referendum Now 🎉 🐾🐾

  • @KINNZ94
    @KINNZ94 Před 7 měsíci +17

    Christopher Luxon needs to see all these positive comments and do the right thing to support David. Don’t be a coward Christopher!

  • @Bryn-hc8fc
    @Bryn-hc8fc Před 7 měsíci +59

    Maori werent environmentalists like they pretend to be..just look at how many kiwi skins they used in their cloaks,wiped out the moa..and take a look at the fishing quoter and the overseas boats they charter that are using slave labour right now..hypocricy at its finest

    • @olliemoose2020
      @olliemoose2020 Před 7 měsíci

      And don’t forget the over taking of fish stocks and under size shell fish today,you only have to watch coast watch to see what group of people are mostly responsible for this.

    • @iamnotarobot2378
      @iamnotarobot2378 Před 7 měsíci +16

      You failed to mention their reluctance to abandon slavery even though slavery had been abolished throughout the British Empire prior to the 1840 treaty.

    • @UPTHEWAHSDAY1
      @UPTHEWAHSDAY1 Před 7 měsíci

      🤯🤯🤯 😂😂😂

    • @Bryn-hc8fc
      @Bryn-hc8fc Před 7 měsíci +9

      @@iamnotarobot2378 i also forgot to mention they would eat each other and shrink heads. And could go on but its seems all that is swept under the carpet.

    • @schlookie
      @schlookie Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@UPTHEWAHSDAY1 its all true bro.

  • @somchais2100
    @somchais2100 Před 7 měsíci +34

    Seymour for PM. He has a spine and stands for something unlike the current seat warmer.

    • @cspace1234nz
      @cspace1234nz Před 7 měsíci +1

      ….yeah I don’t see it that way, Luxon is creating the space for both Seymour and Peters to do their work while appearing to be a “seat warmer”, as you suggest. It’s near perfect how this is working out.

    • @rangisullivan1591
      @rangisullivan1591 Před 6 měsíci

      How can he be pm
      Only 8% of mis informed vote for his party of rat bags

  • @user-te4jy6nm6w
    @user-te4jy6nm6w Před 7 měsíci +10

    Excellent David keep it up for our country

  • @DC-et4ym
    @DC-et4ym Před 7 měsíci +15

    A rational adult conversation. Nice!

  • @davidyang1565
    @davidyang1565 Před 7 měsíci +9

    Fully support David Seymour, well done.

  • @Gumpmachine1
    @Gumpmachine1 Před 7 měsíci +31

    They reason they’re screaming “racism” is because they damn well the result if this subject is allowed to be decided on by the general public.

    • @dash-kt7uf
      @dash-kt7uf Před 7 měsíci

      What’s that? For people to be treated equally regardless of their race.

    • @lindamckenzie6500
      @lindamckenzie6500 Před 7 měsíci

      That's how it is...

    • @Gumpmachine1
      @Gumpmachine1 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@dash-kt7uf exactly, equal treatment isn’t good enough for some

    • @hugovanstratum7975
      @hugovanstratum7975 Před 6 měsíci

      If you were differently abled you would not expect to be treated equally would you?

    • @Gumpmachine1
      @Gumpmachine1 Před 6 měsíci

      @@hugovanstratum7975 we should at least strive to view everyone equally under the law.
      Whether this actually manifests in reality is a different discussion mainly because the government can’t control how everyone thinks

  • @waynekilgour393
    @waynekilgour393 Před 7 měsíci +29

    Judges should not make political rulings

  • @incubism
    @incubism Před 7 měsíci +9

    Maybe our next PM the way things are going.

  • @denyswoodroffe490
    @denyswoodroffe490 Před 7 měsíci +16

    When it comes to some people that will not be working will be out to make trouble, as they only think of them selfs. They fair losing some of their many freebies/ handouts. They want everything in life given to them, without any working for it like the rest of us. No pride/Marner. We all need to work equally and pull our weight in earning an honest living. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

    • @iamnotarobot2378
      @iamnotarobot2378 Před 7 měsíci

      You nailed it denys.
      'Everything good that has happened to me is down to me and everything bad in my life is somebody else's fault and society's responsibility to fix'
      It's the mantra of the left wing victimhood industry.

    • @eileencoulter6263
      @eileencoulter6263 Před 7 měsíci +6

      Under adern,greens everything was free,I agree the gravy train has to stop,the country cannot afford this blackmail anymore

    • @hugovanstratum7975
      @hugovanstratum7975 Před 6 měsíci

      @denyswoodroffe490, When you have your cultural traditions, authority, land, rights and language taken from you you would not be in a very healthy state to pull weights.

  • @ewanmiller9487
    @ewanmiller9487 Před 7 měsíci +31

    Why is the Littlewood Treaty never part of any discussion? After all it is the most relevant copy of the English text which reflects precisely the Maori version?

    • @Digmen1
      @Digmen1 Před 7 měsíci +5

      No, Busby wrote the draft, the Williams's translated it into maori,
      They all signed it and it became Te Titiring O Waitiangi
      They lost Busby's draft but it had been sent to America, and now they have found it in the Littlewoods drawer,

    • @ewanmiller9487
      @ewanmiller9487 Před 7 měsíci +5

      @@Digmen1 Yes, Busby wrote the last version of the English Treaty text, the Littlewood” Treaty, and Williams had translated into theMaori version. The exact same (the Littlewood version) had been sent to the USA. As the “Littlewood Treaty” is now in the possession of the NZ Government it should be easy to compare it with the copy in YS possession to verify its authenticity.

    • @StGammon77
      @StGammon77 Před 7 měsíci

      Precisely the elephant in the room

    • @housesofmyhome
      @housesofmyhome Před 6 měsíci

      Oh so we suddenly have a draft copy that’s appeared out of no where that speaks for Maori? Let’s not take it for face value. Let’s find out more about this document, why was it hidden away or how they say “lost”?

    • @Digmen1
      @Digmen1 Před 6 měsíci

      That draft copy is what the maori text was translated from.
      It did get lost, but copies were sent to the USA via Clendon and Wilkes and have been in US libraries ever since.
      The Original draft by Busby was found in Pukekoe by the Littlewood family, but the discovery was buried by the politicians of the time

  • @grantadamson3478
    @grantadamson3478 Před 7 měsíci +13

    They have a minimum of four years, I hope, get it all done David.

  • @Antares2358
    @Antares2358 Před 7 měsíci +10

    What David is calling for is reasonable. Unfortunately, it was probably never get a fair hearing thanks to the woke media, TVNZ, TV3, and RNZ.

    • @lindamckenzie6500
      @lindamckenzie6500 Před 7 měsíci

      The woke media need to be removed...wt the hell are the supporting...down with the media

    • @lindamckenzie6500
      @lindamckenzie6500 Před 7 měsíci

      Well said David.....great now you are associate minister of Justice...Thank goodness for strong amazing Politicians like David Seymour...We are right behind you....we NZers are all equal ....we do not want anymore Maori superiority...and privilege ....

    • @hugovanstratum7975
      @hugovanstratum7975 Před 6 měsíci

      @@lindamckenzie6500 Māori have been cheated, robbed and killed for 140 years so pakeha could get their land and you are calling their behaviour as acting superior.

  • @lydiascl
    @lydiascl Před 7 měsíci +9

    These days if people call you a racist, it usually means they have no other argument to make.. 🤔

    • @brent3855
      @brent3855 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Interesting comment. There are people all over this channel calling Maori racists. Read into that what you will.

  • @iansmith9706
    @iansmith9706 Před 7 měsíci +6

    The most honest politician in parliament says it as it is , not afraid to say what he thinks

  • @MsPeaches2you
    @MsPeaches2you Před 7 měsíci +9

    Really good interview Sean - thanks very much.

  • @lu-uf8zj
    @lu-uf8zj Před 7 měsíci +6

    I'm with David 100% on this.

  • @JohnSmith-fp8il
    @JohnSmith-fp8il Před 7 měsíci +20

    Why can't we have a PM who makes decisions based on what he believes is right rather than public opinion. Luxon is looking like just another another weakling PM. He'd end up getting more respect and more votes if he showed himself to be a man of courage and principle.

    • @dash-kt7uf
      @dash-kt7uf Před 7 měsíci +2

      Mate, I don’t generally disagree but give a guy a chance to prove himself before concluding like that - it is not fair

  • @annemackay-ib4gy
    @annemackay-ib4gy Před 7 měsíci +6

    Rawiti and his mate from tvnz should be held accountable for leaking anything cos it was done to make mischief and cause trouble. I mean neither get paid for this crap, rawiti should be gone from parliment end of. So far as tvnz goes, get rid of them.

  • @tim2muntu954
    @tim2muntu954 Před 7 měsíci +9

    "The chiefs of the Confederation and all the chiefs who have not joined that Confederation give absolutely to the Queen of England for ever the complete government over their land." Article 1. This is unclear how?

    • @hugovanstratum7975
      @hugovanstratum7975 Před 6 měsíci

      Since when has the Queen run the Government. They have been a figurehead for a long time. Victoria was a symbol of law and order that the English immigrant's wanted. They needed laws in NZ to control the trouble makers sailors and sealers.

    • @BaileyMasters-ud8qx
      @BaileyMasters-ud8qx Před 6 měsíci +2

      Because article 1 of the Māori text doesn't say sovereignty it says kāwanatanga (governance). And then in article 2 it says Māori will retain tino rangatiratanga (absolute authority).

    • @tim2muntu954
      @tim2muntu954 Před 6 měsíci

      So the Crown walks away from Article 1 of the Treaty with the idea they have "absolutely and without reservation all the rights and powers of Sovereignty", while the Maori Confederation walks away with the idea of "kāwanatanga (governance)"; and in article 2 the Crown understands the Maori Confederation retains "full exclusive and undisturbed possession of their Lands and Estates Forests Fisheries and other properties which they may collectively or individually possess", while the Maori Confederation believes they retain " tino rangatiratanga (absolute authority)"?

    • @BaileyMasters-ud8qx
      @BaileyMasters-ud8qx Před 6 měsíci +1

      That's an excellent summation. If you put yourself in the shoes of Māori leaders, it seems very unlikely that they would have signed away their ability to rule over their lands and people to a foreign power. No-one would do that. It makes a lot more sense that they were allowing the english to establish a government to help control the increasing number of European settlers.

    • @BaileyMasters-ud8qx
      @BaileyMasters-ud8qx Před 6 měsíci

      If you read the treaty like this the following few decades make sense. Until the NZ Wars, English law had very little power beyond the boundaries of European settlements.

  • @jamesdick9153
    @jamesdick9153 Před 7 měsíci +9

    A very instructive comment, the tyranny of the majority. Essentially saying democracy is the enemy , a racial autocracy is preferred . Rather racist and divisive, calm logic is a spotlight .

  • @dash-kt7uf
    @dash-kt7uf Před 7 měsíci +21

    Māori are the racists in this country
    Shame on you media for portraying otherwise
    Go David!

    • @StGammon77
      @StGammon77 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Very openly racist yes they most surely are!

    • @lindamckenzie6500
      @lindamckenzie6500 Před 7 měsíci

      I'm inclined to agree!

    • @housesofmyhome
      @housesofmyhome Před 6 měsíci

      You guys are likely living on stolen land! The absolute audacity!!!

  • @tokoloshi214
    @tokoloshi214 Před 7 měsíci +7

    One law for all.

  • @nataliewilson2460
    @nataliewilson2460 Před 6 měsíci +3

    One people, one Nation👌 End of story!

  • @danielthomas8507
    @danielthomas8507 Před 7 měsíci +23

    Rip up the treaty.....

  • @miggy8011
    @miggy8011 Před 7 měsíci +4

    We love you Sir David Seymour.

  • @operatorsix6933
    @operatorsix6933 Před 7 měsíci +7

    stop handing them billions and assets, recover it all.....
    who ever is paying them and on kick backs,..go to jail...

  • @gosekinz
    @gosekinz Před 7 měsíci +11

    Step 1 remove the Maori seats

    • @morgybudd7394
      @morgybudd7394 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Fuck thats original

    • @gosekinz
      @gosekinz Před 7 měsíci

      thanks I thought of it on the dunny @@morgybudd7394 😉

    • @hugovanstratum7975
      @hugovanstratum7975 Před 6 měsíci

      @gosekinz Hey it was Moāri who gave you Parliament.

    • @schlookie
      @schlookie Před 6 měsíci

      @@hugovanstratum7975 huh?

    • @housesofmyhome
      @housesofmyhome Před 6 měsíci

      If Maori seats go, then all immigrants must leave and return the land

  • @crazykiwican
    @crazykiwican Před 7 měsíci +13

    80% of the country think he is a hero. Finally someone putting the Maori bs to bed. If Maori want a revolution so be it. They have time to protest while the rest of us have to wrk.

    • @SB-Kiwi
      @SB-Kiwi Před 7 měsíci

      Hey I work!

    • @crazykiwican
      @crazykiwican Před 7 měsíci

      @@SB-Kiwi that is great as we all should be responsible for making Nz a better place. However when we look at the unemployed, dole registers. Certain nationalities have a much higher rate of abusing the dole,etc. thank you for being a good responsible person .

  • @poncholarpez6233
    @poncholarpez6233 Před 7 měsíci +5

    The issues around the treaty need to be resolved around what it meant when it was signed, otherwise it'll never be accepted.

  • @stevenW7294
    @stevenW7294 Před 7 měsíci +4

    @23.00 min: "Pizza Gate for hippies" 😂😂😂 almost fell off my lawnmower with that one.

  • @deborahthoresen2860
    @deborahthoresen2860 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Elizebeth Rata is another well researched academic proponent of getting the principals examined and debated.

  • @dash-kt7uf
    @dash-kt7uf Před 7 měsíci +5

    Our best politician along with Winston!

    • @SB-Kiwi
      @SB-Kiwi Před 7 měsíci

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @crazyworld7115
    @crazyworld7115 Před 7 měsíci +8

    Has all the money & benefits that the Maori have received on the back of all tax payers of all ethnicity been productive? Maori are 17.3% of the population but are 52% of the prison population,
    36% are on welfare, 40.9% violent crime are Maori males. Maybe what has been done is not working and a change Maybe beneficial.

  • @mattheweden-pc5pk
    @mattheweden-pc5pk Před 7 měsíci +4

    Just follow the money and you’ll see who are up in arms about what David is saying
    The gravy train has left the station 😭😭😭

  • @christinerobin386
    @christinerobin386 Před 7 měsíci +6

    Equal human rights fir all NZ citizens tick
    Meritocracy bring it on better for everyone

  • @karentorkar8256
    @karentorkar8256 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Great interview.
    Thank you, guys.
    David predicted Shaw's retirement last Sunday.

  • @kingfillins4117
    @kingfillins4117 Před 6 měsíci +2

    It’s more than 10% in question. An online UNRWA group was caught out spreading racism and support for Hamas. Somone shared a contact list in the group, with their names.

  • @kenking3188
    @kenking3188 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Keep going David. Your view will save nz from apartheid and a future of mediocrity e.g. south africa! We have been suffering accelarating mediocrity for decades lead by labour governments but not sufficiently reversed by national in this time. If we continue as 2 more peoples it is time nonmaori charged for free gifts given by non maori collectively to maori. This is virtually trillions of technological gifts not available to maori until colonisation and the subsequent opening to the outside world. Maori didn't even have the wheel!

  • @grantturnpenny200
    @grantturnpenny200 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Good interview!

  • @andrewoh1663
    @andrewoh1663 Před 7 měsíci +12

    Remember David: The flak is always heaviest over the target ;-)
    They're afraid of having this discussion, which is why they're 'cry bullying'.

    • @teharipumautonu
      @teharipumautonu Před 7 měsíci +3

      Who is "they"? No one is afraid.

    • @andrewoh1663
      @andrewoh1663 Před 7 měsíci

      the radicals- they're crapping themselves that they'll be exposed.@@teharipumautonu

    • @jameskjx
      @jameskjx Před 6 měsíci

      @@teharipumautonu Oh I dunno. lots of whites are afraid - and with good reason.
      If ACT wanted a discussion then they could have a policy for a "discussion" like Matike Mai - hui / meetings all around the country, or even a citizens assembly like in Ireland.
      but ACT don't want a discussion: they just want to abolish Māori qua Māori, and are willing to destroy NZ's constitutional framework to do so.

  • @andrewlim9345
    @andrewlim9345 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Thanks for hosting David Seymour.

  • @pnireaha6019
    @pnireaha6019 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Great effort David ... keep it up. Maybe have some of your colleagues of maori heritage do some fronting as well.

  • @lindac8237
    @lindac8237 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Thank you so much Seymour for speaking up for the voiceless. Much appreciate what you’re doing.

  • @willem1642
    @willem1642 Před 7 měsíci +5

    But wait TVNZ knows everything about what all Maori think.

  • @panoramapete5758
    @panoramapete5758 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Go David.

  • @caseyhalliday9903
    @caseyhalliday9903 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Go act 👍

  • @user-xw5pd7dd8k
    @user-xw5pd7dd8k Před 25 dny

    Thank God for David Seymour, speaking truth and common sense with calmness.

  • @paton57
    @paton57 Před 7 měsíci +4

    National is woke

  • @les8518
    @les8518 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Put the treaty in a museum and treat it as a historical document.

    • @hugovanstratum7975
      @hugovanstratum7975 Před 6 měsíci

      Go back to no Government you mean for that is what Māori gave us.

  • @chrisblewden1712
    @chrisblewden1712 Před 7 měsíci +4

    A swindle sheet is no TREATY ..have the balls David and dump it ...

  • @andyblick6735
    @andyblick6735 Před 7 měsíci +1

    People need to learn more about the treaty...most people have not looked at it properly. One source of information is the book: Who is the government the great deception by Ewan Campbell.
    Everyone should read this book...
    The author should be interviewed..

  • @grandadneal8114
    @grandadneal8114 Před 7 měsíci +10

    Everyone is equal why would Maori not support that? So who's the racist?

    • @hugovanstratum7975
      @hugovanstratum7975 Před 6 měsíci +1

      If only they were all equal that would be great. All wealthy and healthy are we.

    • @grandadneal8114
      @grandadneal8114 Před 6 měsíci

      @@hugovanstratum7975 yeah I meant more seen and treated equally then it's individual choice and choices determines how well you do in life.

  • @nikj52
    @nikj52 Před 6 měsíci +1

    After watching the behavior at Waitangi today I hope we do get a referendum on the principles . The trouble makers there today were shocking

    • @StGammon77
      @StGammon77 Před 6 měsíci

      Very disturbing our Govt should not attend and make NZ Day great again, ditch the maori names theyre out the gate

  • @5150show
    @5150show Před 7 měsíci +5

    Take the cheaty to a referendum

  • @andrewnoble9199
    @andrewnoble9199 Před 6 měsíci

    Love your work, David