Zack Snyder's Justice League (2021) VS The Avengers (2012)
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- Zack Snyder's Justice League was released on HBO Max and took the world by surprise. And in today's versus video we are going to compare it to the Marvel Cinematic Universe's first crossover event The Avengers. Will Zack Snyder's Justice League win or loose against Joss Whedon's The Avengers?
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Hey Eric. Did you see the film 'King Richard'?
Hey Eric, I asked this in your Dr. Strange video, but I thought I'd ask it here since it's seemed more relevant this time around. But have you seen MauLer's video on ZSJL? If so what are your thoughts on it? I'm just asking because he had some critical things to say about the movie to say the least as well as some points of criticism towards why people are praising it and you being someone who really enjoyed it, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on that video. This isn't me trying to sh*t on you at all, I typically really enjoy your stuff and am a subscriber of yours, but I was just curious about thoughts on it if you had any. Also do you think you'll do a vs video between ZSJL and BVS? That'd be a suggestion I'd give to you for future videos.
Do Suicide Squad 2016 vs the Suicide Squad 2021
What if The Russo Brothers directed the first Avengers Movie and Age of Ultron?
@@etabiansosin Then it would have been better
“You only need to watch two movies (Man of Steel and BVS) to see ZSJL” I think this would work, but I’d argue the experience is WAY more meaningful if you watch Wonder Woman 2017
I'm looking forward to the day I can watch MoS, BvS UE, the Ayercut of SS, WW and ZSJL in a marathon. I've got a feeling that's going to be an almost unbeatable cbm viewing experience.
The Ayercut would be essential too, if we ever get it. It also gives us the after credits scene to explain why Bruce Wayne has an easier time in finding the other members of the JL. I think the original cut sets up Steppenwolf too, though I’m unsure if that’s accurate.
@@gatsbygoodwood2575 there was actually a Stepphenwolf that was leak or something I think
@@gatsbygoodwood2575 the Ayer cut would be good if using ZSJL Steppenwolf for consistency sake.
@@gatsbygoodwood2575 the one problem I find with that is when Alfred says there have been "no attacks" since Batman talked to Luthor. absolutely no mention of what happened at Midway City at the end of Suicide Squad. if anything, I hope the Ayer Cut contains the explanation as to why the whole situation with Enchantress and Incubus (or Steppenwolf) managed to fly under the radar.
Essentially, ZSJL feels like a movie that was ripped straight out of a comic book in terms of its color, tone, and dynamic action scenes. Then again, Zack's color palette style has always added a sort of dreamlike state that I feel works well for CBMs, especially 300, Watchmen, and ZSJL.
Now, I will argue that there are character moments for most of the characters, such as Black Widow silently admitting to Hawkeye that Loki's words got to her, Tony and Bruce's dialogue, and Fury's scenes with them. However, as a writer, Joss is better working with characters than working with action, and he's a TV director more than a movie one. He did have some creative fight sequences, but there was no way he'd beat Zack in terms of spectacle, dynamic combat, and sheer heaviness.
Thats why i hate when people bitch about zacks slo mo, zack is a comic book nerd just like alot of the fans, and people dont realize the slo mo is the translation of comic book “splash pages”.....ive always said snyder dosent make “superhero” movies, he makes “comic book” movies, truley
When isn't a superhero movie ripped off straight from a comic book
As a massive fan of DC comics the Snyder trilogy is far less faithful to the comics, and in most cases wildly more disrespectful to the iconic characters than anything in the first couple MCU phases.
@@jbbrolic no unless you don't know the DC multiverse and you only read one batman storyline cause Superman isn't meant to be the Superman you know dceu is more like the origins stories and also sometimes managing can help a help like the batman Lois child or break like actually bringing batman second of the movies in the verse
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Honestly, the difference between both movies is exactly why I love both. DC has always had the reputation of being larger than life while Marvel has always seemed to be more subtle, and closer to the dull everyday struggle for the heroes. I like that Marvel heroes feel more petty in comparison to the DC heroes. It makes sense the that the conflict in Avengers feels less intense than the one in ZSJL. If both were the exact same, than there is no creativity involved. It works and I'm happy we get to be spoiled by both of them
This. And there's a lot more to unpack than "Loki weak; Steppenwolf strong". Like you said, the DCEU was about more now, bigger now, while the MCU took a longer road with an intervening Avengers film between Avengers 1 and Infinity War. They had been a more gradual upping of the stacks for them.
@@ElvenRaptor exactly! Well put my friend
@@Nomad-1993 Thank you!
@@ElvenRaptor That is the same in the comics. Its just a difference in power level. Its like comparing Naruto Shippuden to Dragon Ball Z. DC has always had a bigger power level from both heroes and villains. That's why Marvel failed in the 90s and had to sell their IP to big studios. They had always lacked to ridiculous grandeur of DC, whether it was bad or good.
@@Strato_Casterrr9898 Agreed.
Despite my love for the first avengers film, Zack Snyder’s justice league will always be one of my favorites. The experience I had and the expertise of how well made this film is simply amazing. From the breathtaking visuals, stunning cinematography, top-notch special effects, incredible directing and phenomenal acting to the drama, serious tone, intelligent story and deeply compelling characterizations of all the main characters. Also delivering one of the best soundtracks I’ve ever heard and some badass action sequences. There’s also countless details which includes parallels, Easter eggs, references, symbology and imagery which I find absolutely fascinating. The cast was perfect and the rewatch value of the film is high. Ironically time flies by swiftly with this flick. This is why I believe Zack Snyder’s Justice League is a true work of art. 9.8/10.
Zack Snyder's Justice League is one of the closest films to my heart. The visuals, the story, the emotional weight, the magnificent soundtrack and background score by tom holkenborg, the acting, the level of epicness it emits and the level of struggle the hardcore and never giving up dc fans and Zack Snyder went through makes it one of my most favourite movies till date. Even after one year of its release and watching it 8 times I still can't believe that a man like Zack Snyder exists in this very world who can make every single moment of a freakin' 4 hour long movie interesting, meaningful and intriguing. Even movies like the hobbit, the lord of the rings and the irishman which are at least half an hour shorter than zsjl become boring but this masterpiece just never disappoints no matter how many times you watch it. Movies like Avengers Infinity War, Avengers Endgame, Spider-Man No Way Home, The Dark Knight and Zack Snyder's Justice League are in a league of their own. This masterpiece is one of the best live-action superhero ensemble movie and one of the best superhero movies and hands down the best justice league movie (including animated and josstice league) till date.
Too bad the same can't be said of BVS. It's unfocused, overly dark, inconsistent, has terrible dialogue, illogical character motivations and bad CGI.
I'm assuming you have not seen the ultimate edition of the film which is quite a bit better than the theatrical cut.
@@aleclessard7670 Is it longer than the 3 hours?
In all honesty, Snyder's style just doesn't appeal. I know some people like it and that's fine. It isn't for me.
@@themaxster7798 wrong. It appeals, its just some people like u dont like it
Here's the thing, I liked avengers. But, just looking at these clips side by side it's almost embarrassing how much more visually beautiful justice league is... It's such a heavy and important feeling film. Like a living graphic novel
The avengers was lit and shot like a tv show, even back in 2012 it bothered me a little.
Justice league was ugly and uninspired
@@zichengzhou6344 I think back then we were still used to superhero movies being shot on film with less to CGI.
@@sourruntz9595 big L
@@kp1x When u know it's true and got no argument😂
I will say though, in defense of the argument scene from The Avengers, it was heavily implied that the mind stone (which is theorized to have a will of its own) was influencing each of them by heightening their emotions in that moment. Hell, Banner wasn't even aware that he was holding it in his own hand.
That's what it look like to me as well.
Even if that was the idea, the dialogues and way they were delivered doesn't really sell that idea.
Edit : What I tried to mean by that statement, that the "idea" of the mind stone manipulating didn't really meant a lot in the scope of the movie. The most damage it does that the Avengers quarreling for a bit and that's it. If you remove that whole "manipulating" thing, the story doesn't change any way.
Then in the next Avengers movie they continue to fight amongst each other
@@rajarshisantra8203 But the camera movement clearly tells us that Loki's scepter is doing this to them. Pay attention 😭
@@rajarshisantra8203What the hell are you talking about? It was SO obvious the stone manipulated them that even my dear old grandmother picked up on it.
I don't have any word to express how accurate your take on both of these movies. We even have the same opinion on the villains, especially Loki's ungodly treatment
To be honest I had chills all over my body watching ZSJL. Cyborg was indeed the best and GOAT
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And Cyborg is truly the superhero of our era. He can plug himself into the Internet, manipulate things inside. He could make himself richer than Bruce Wayne if he wishes too, but he didn't. That's my hero.
I agree Infinity war is the greatest avengers movie of all time. And I also agree with the majority of the points you made with avengers versus Zack Snyder's Justice League.
Majority? Which could u even argue with?
@@GaParanormal theres 5 movies leading up to Avengers and w DC you "only have to watch 2"... thats not an objective reason for am ensemblen movie to be better. And tho he says all these things as fact.. theyre still mostly just his opinion... just saying the recruiting in Justice League is better... or that Loki is lame... or something just IS when its actually based on his own singular subjective opinion. Nevermind more than one time he leans on a sentiment(for example) of "I genuinely thought"... thats literally basing it wholly in just what he thinks. Not fact. Just cuz he says it does not make it so. Even w some semblance of objectivity. Much of it is argumentative rhetoric... "I also found the characters...."... his opinion is not a fact. Nevermind that many examples many feel diametrically opposed to what he thinks. "Happened at an inappropriate time". He doesnt suggest why... he just says it... yet people love the movie(Avengers) so... inappropriate? Again... cuz he said so? Doesnt work that way.
@@HellfireHellesto you’re totally right. I like ZSJL but the avengers is a better movie. Better directing, writing, acting, editing, pacing and is just more fun, which is what a teamup movie should be.
Infinity War shafted a lot of characters and still had those dumb jokes they like to throw in every 10 minutes. It’s a great film but I’d say even Endgame is better and IW isn’t as great as everyone says it is.
@@jesuspernia8031 name 2 jokes from IW that didn’t work
Man Of Steel was deep enough for me to love and understand Superman. Before that i always had a mixed feeling about this character. But MoS really showed me what made Clark Kent Superman and the struggles he had to face throughout his life while trying to find his identity and purpose in this world. He feels more human and relatable which was lacking in previous iterations. This movie gave me a new insight towards superheroes, especially Superman.
I liked how Man of Steel was just the beginning of his journey to becoming the Superman we all know
@@dreademperor2094But some people were too dumb to understand that. They are living in the world of spoon-fed content. So they expected this one to be the same. Same thing with BvS(ultimate edition) as well. A criminally misunderstood and underrated movie. Its not flawless but it's easily an 8/10 movie which laid foundation to ZSJL.
@@indrajithk2561 yeah, when I watched the ultimate edition I knew he was trying to tell a story but I didn't know what it was leading up to until I saw the Snyder Cut that's when I finally saw what he was building up to and now I want to see his vision completed with Justice League 2 and 3
@@dreademperor2094 yea imagine if idiot WB wud have just not messed with bvs n JL n let UE and ZSJL “be” the theatrical releases like zack wanted, they wud prob have theyre “mcu” money theyve been chasing few years ago, and a more respectable DCEU today, the problem was never zack, they just used him as scapegoat to cover up theyre own hack mistakes, the PROBLEM was wb overreacting n not giving a universe 1 movie in time to breath n gain legs🤦♂️
@@indrajithk2561 The people who hated Man of Steel understood it far better than you ever could.
I’m glad you finally made another Vs video of ZSJL! Thank you Eric! I love your superhero videos the most! Especially The Batman, ZSJL, and Spider-Man. Really, you are very appreciated!
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Both movies are great movies when you consider the time they release. Avengers feels very 2010s (released in 2012) and ZS justice league feels more fitting with what we currently have on TV and film.
But it was originally a 2017 film which is crazy because nothing in 2017 was like that at all yet not until at least avengers infinity war
@@misterwizardman4309 There absolutely things like that
You need to also consider they got 4years to collect feedback from the fans to redo some of the stories and learn from the funny cut@@misterwizardman4309
As someone who have never had an issue with Avengers, still is one of my favorite comicbook movies, and yeah maybe you are a little harsh.......but I can see your points here as valid, specially comparing this film with Zack Snyder's JUSTICE LEAGUE, if was a fight between Joss Whedon JL vs Avengers yeah I would go with Avengers, but Zack Snyder version is sooo much superior in all ways, I actually think stand up even vs films like Infinity War (not saying is better, just that in a vs fight, both sides will get points), JL Snyder cut is an amazing beautiful film, and the developed of the characters, the villain, the music, the action the cinematography is just on a whole different level compared with Avengers, so as an AVENGERS 1 FAN, I can say, JL is the better movie, I totally agree.
I love both DC & Marvel movies hopefully Warner bros can fix what they have done with DC
@@One-Time-Review only if they listen to the fans and restore the snyderverse starting with the ayer cut of suicide squad
I would put freaking Catwoman over Josstice League. Heck, Morbius and Fantastic Four (the 2015 one) also have their chance to go over Josstice League for me
That transition into talking about the sponsor was smooth as hell
ZSJL is easy one of the best CMB movies of all time
The color, the story, the soundtrack, everything is amazing
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The color: literally everything black or grey
Honestly i like Both Movies. They are awesome
Justice league is better I don't have to use I like both excuse I like both but justice league us better
18:25 honestly, I think Transformers: Dark of the Moon is very underrated and the climactic action scene is probably in my top five action scenes, especially when Michael Bay got people in wing suits to actually fly over a city which Micheal Bay then digitally changed to make the city more destroyed and of course, add more explosions
Tbh TF:D O T M story telling is kinda... not that good the only thing that i saw hold it was the vfx and CGI in the battle imo
Nah the Transformers movies outside of Bumblebee are generally shit
@@jetix7888 in my opinion, the 1st one is good, the second one is boring, the 3rd one is underrated to me, and the last 2 are god awful
@@jetix7888 That’s your own personal opinion it ain’t a fact, I loved the first trilogy especially DOTM probably one of my fav transformers films especially the 3rd act climax way better than bumblebee IMO even tho that’s high up there on my list as well.
@@nqz1594 DOTM has the best story in the entire 5 movies. I think it’s better than 1 IMO. Sentinel Prime, is probably the best antagonist because he actually a threat and has a clear motivation that he’s just homesick and wants his species to live on their planet again, better than the downgraded megatron lol
I do really like the Avengers, but Zack Snyder's Justice League is just a much better movie and I can't decide whether it or Aquaman is better.
aquaman is shit 😬
I prefer aquaman cuz oceanmaster and manta I don’t like heard but she didn’t do too bad a job and the effects is so awesome so is the action
Eh, both pale in comparison to the Subspace Emissary from Super Smash Bros. Brawl!
Huh, let me help you: ZSJL by far! 😅 I don't even understand how you can love both at the same time with Aquaman looking as much as a bad Marvel rip-off ; I'll never understand how people can accept this giant cartoonesque story happening in the same universe as MoS and Bv2! But eh, everyone has the right to enjoy what he wants I guess... :)
@@TroisB not all movies have to have super serious stories
When you compare this to your previous Justice League vs Avengers video, it only shows just how much you've come and improved so much!
The thing with The Avengers is that when it came out is was a pretty big deal and it seemed like a big deal but when I go back and watch it now it doesn't feel like it mainly cuz of movies like IW,ZSJL,ENDGAME etc the movie itself doesn't feel like it the shots feel like a tv show not every shot but many of the shots are generic atleast to me.
The movie came out when we never had a big superhero team up on big screen so it felt great but rewatching it now it feels decent, not really great and not really bad like it just served it's purpose for more greater films.
What the heck is Watchmen then, also directed by Snyder? There's also X-Men (2000).
@@Madbandit77 No, those are team movies. Not team up movies. There is a difference.
@@Madbandit77 there's clear difference between different superheroes coming together and an already formed team lead by a wise man xd like doom patrol,teen titans,x-men and JSA
@@supergeek7134 Yes, but they're still superhero teams, fighting for the greater good.
@@Madbandit77 yeah but they were introduced as team they aren't the same as justice league or the avengers
6:53 This is the BIGGEST thing that average viewers overlook, and it really bugs me. The whole arc of Batman was to show he was going bad in BvS, but turned good at the end and remained good in this movie. He was always meant to not be that killer we saw
RIP William Hurt (the actor for General Ross).
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18:24 TF Dark of the Moon has one of the best final action set pieces of all time.
The whole final hour of the film is just a giant action scene made up of many many different/unique action scenes intergrated into the 1 hour battle.
Hate Bay all you want, but his action/Choreography and Special Effects were fucking amazing in the TF movies, DOTM especially.
Well Bay Hated his transformers movies and Parasite kept on pestering him to make more. He wanted to stop after dark of the moon
Damn that scene with gaint worm decepticon destroying the building and our heroes in it. That was pure awesomeness.
I always thought the final battle of TF3 was superior to the one in Avengers.
I 100% agree Zack Snyder justice league is the better movie.
Possibly but that depends on what metrics you're using to judge. Those two movies are so different in vision and the way they make people feel. Tonal quality is just as big an issue in movies now, along with story telling. I got what Snyder was trying to do with JL but BVS set a bad template that I believe poisoned the viewing public's perception of his take on DC. Again, my opinion.
@@themaxster7798 true.
@@themaxster7798 BvS was very misunderstood, and I think the Ultimate Edition really fixes a lot of the problems that the theatrical release one had because that extra time allows you to understand what's going on much better. And you get the characters motivations better as well. It's personally one of my favorite superhero movies, but that's just my opinion :)
ZSJL VS Infinity war doesn't make sense because Infinity war has far more building up to it. Isn't something like 20 movies that's like 40 to 50 hours?
Hopefully with the discovery merger we get part 2 and 3.
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Unironically The Avengers is Joss Wheadons best work and I fricking hate him as a person and Snyder Cut is better by Far no contest
Why exactly is he a terrible person?
@@ethanrobert342 when u think about it, he ruined a masterpiece
@@ethanrobert342 Justice League star Ray Fisher came forward with accusations against the director saying he created a toxic work environment on set calling Whedon's treatment of the cast and crew “gross, abusive, unprofessional.Buffy and Angel actress Charisma Carpenter followed, detailing her experience enduring mental and emotional abuse from Whedon.Since then, other actors, writers, and crew members, including Gal Gadot and Michelle Trachtenberg, have opened up about what it was like working with the director.
@@Layschips5 lmao come on Justice league is no masterpiece haha
@Ben Solo that's subjective.
Iron Man & Cap recruiting the Avengers makes a lot more sence when you think about it. Great point Eric.
@@mrbluesky4838 classic die hard marvel fan
@@r_brucewayne3888 yup
@@user-utshi9ha thats now what he was saying he was saying that it would have been cool if the diractors found a way to amke tony and cap recruit the avengers
No, it doesn't, because Tony had a "go it alone" attitude at the time and Cap was still getting used to living in the 20th Century, and had zero connections.
@@ElvenRaptor Honestly it would have been more entertaining
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I gotta say, as much as I love Avengers, and as much as Marvel guy I am, I definitely think that Zack Snyder's Justice League is better.
I personally prefer how and why the Justice League get together than how the Avengers get together.
Each member is going through their own pain and trauma, so when they get together, truly together, you feel glad for not only the world being saved, but you feel happy for the Justice League Members themselves for getting through their problems.
It felt like an overall more emotional, serious and purposeful story.
I'm gonna say it, ZSJL is one of my favourite CB movies of a time, and definitely my personal top 3 favourite DC movies overall.
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@I'm a clown Yes but ZSJL was also supposed to be a setup for future DCEU movies. Too bad WB cancelled Batfleck, Ryan Choi's Atom and changed the entire script of The Flash.
@@aakashsaini2184 true, but Justice League was telling its own story more so than Avengers.
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING TRANSFORMERS 3!!! that had always bugged me and it always felt like they ripped off that third act, also do you ever plan to do a transformers vs battle?
Im sharing this... Thanks for making this video 🙏
Let’s go i was watting for this
The truth is that Zack Snyder's Justice League has a level of epicity much higher than that of the first Avengers, so much so that the moment in which the Flash makes use of the speed force reaches the same level of epicity as the snap of Tony Stark in End Game.
I don’t agree the iron man snap wasn’t exciting at all. I think the entrance were every comes is the most exciting in endgame
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Victor Stone (Cyborg) cries because his daddy wouldn't watch his game. 😂 His mother dies in a car accident because she's trying to comfort his bitch ass instead of watching the road. 😂 Victor goes on to blame his father for what happened.😂😂😂🤣🤣
@@marvelstudios3565 why are you mad? Damn you cinematic marvel fans are so toxic. Can’t have a debate with any of you because you just get your info from your movies and you guys are stubborn and full of rage.
The shot of the avengers finally alll assembled is more iconic than anything in ZSJL and I actually like that movie but come on. Lets not rewrite history now. Also that one shot, single take that should all the avengers working together is cooler than anything in that movie as well.
I have been legit waiting for this. Eric has provided. Absolute legend
You make some really interesting points
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The DCEU has one of the saddest legacies ever as a franchise. There are so many terrific films like Aquaman, Shazam, The Suicide Squad and the first Wonder Woman. And yet because of their poor creative choices during their first five years whether it’s the quality of Man of Steel and Batman v Superman or them meddling in movies like Justice League, most people are going to see this franchise as a failure and the amount of bad press caused by actors like Ezra Miller and Amber Heard have only made DC’s reputation infinitely worse.
DC having a problematic reputation is something to be excepted because unlike marvel they are not obsessed with capitalizing the family friendly and formulaic "happy to go lucky" content(WB are, but not the creative side of the DC). The creative choices of MoS and BvS are really not that damaging once they are put in the context of the entire franchise and they are very wrongly criticized for reasons based on either bias or simple misunderstanding.
I feel like Zack also knows the character's powers and abilities better, especially with Flash's speed and the water manipulation bit
I was waiting for this for a long time
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As an MCU fan i've been watched Zack Snyder's justice league and i gonna say ZSJL is WAY far better than The Avenger 2012 even a snyder cut could beat the whole avenger 2012 movie (imo)
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I don't believe that ZSJL is better than the Russo's Avengers: IW. That movie is a template for how to make a massive team-up comicbook movie.
@@themaxster7798 i think he meant the first avengers movie...i think its not as good as the 3rd and 4th one
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I strongly disagree. I’ll take ZSJL any day over IW and pretty much every Avengers film combined. IW still has that crap marvel humor and shafted characters that deserved spotlight like Vision. It’s nowhere near as good as a lot of people are saying.
@@jesuspernia8031 And I strongly disagree with your disagreement. To each their own.
You don't know how hyped I was when I saw he posted a new video
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@@EricCarter12 but I don't know if this was the right time man, of you had released back then Zack Snyder was trending so it would have gotten you way more views compared to what you'll get by uploading it now..
There's only 1 thing that I'd argue, and it's primarily because I'm a bit of a completionist. I'd argue that the extended edition of SS and the solo WW film should be viewed in addition to MOS and BvS(Ultimate Edition). I suggest this for 1 explaining Diana's backstory as well as a concept that is utilized when Steppenwolf is killed(only a god can kill another God, so Diana could decapitate Steppenwolf). 2 introducing Harley(who Knightmare Bruce refrences) and the Joker(who they show in that Knightmare).
I think zack snyder justice league wins, it's just better in cinamatogerphy, storytelling, but the avengers cool to, I watched it when I was a kid, still has a soft spot for it, but I still like the snyder cut more, it just has better stakes, and a better villain, hes terrifying
Same I watched The first Avengers when I was a kid but I didn’t find it memorable It’s is obviously slow and I’m actually not a big fan of the avengers that much and I’m also not a big Iron man, Thor, and black widow, especially Iron man in my opinion and yes I know tony stark has a good sense of humour but I don’t like that he shows off and I think he’s a bit too good but still I’m not a big fan of Iron man, but there’s 3 or 4 heroes that I liked and that is Captain America, Hawkeye, nick fury and the hulk and that’s it so yea
Better stakes? Wtf u talkin about
@@adityadutta2391 I'm saying the stakes were handled better
@@infiniteapex8762 Justice League literally had no stakes. The Russian family in the Whedon cut is the closest that movie gets to having anything worth caring about.
@@ericericson5633 so yiur saying the world literally being destroyed, isnt a stake? Or if the mother box touch the water, the whole world gonna parish isnt a stake, then I dont know what is, you can keep your whedon cut, and I keep the snyder cut.
Amazing video again Eric, boredom healed
Thanks buddy. 😊
This video is a HUGE W. Well said.
I like The Snyder cut better than The first avengers
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There is a simplicity to the first Avengers that I find charming over the one Avengers movies that feel less self contained. I feel you could watch first Avengers without any of the other movies prior and still get close to the same enjoyment out of it. I know it’s popular now to hate Whedon and while The Avengers is not perfect(as you said it kind of looks like an expensive tv show), it still set the bar for shared universes going forward for better or worse. It was a first and that novelty was a big deal. That’s probably why Age of Ultron was somewhat underwhelming for some people. The only way Marvel could recapture that magic was to raise the stakes and the scope with Infinity War and Endgame. In any case, I think it’s a really good film with a simple setup, fun action and engaging characters and banter. It’s a shame Marvel afterwards went over board with the Whedonification of everything and I say as someone who likes Whedon overall.
However even though I am not the biggest fan of Snyder’s Man of Steel or BVS, I loved his Justice League to my surprise..It felt like a giant comic book issue. An epic comic book rock opera. It has all the excesses that come with Snyder(slow motion, music video needle drops, self indulgent, self important), but here I kind of loved it. Just the sheer audacity of this 4 hour movie. The story is refreshingly simple after how convoluted BVS was and the movie is able to breathe allowing for actual character development which is usually not Snyder’s strong suit. This allows the big moments(emotional and visual) to land more. While I wish the film had more color, it is beautifully and stylistically shot. Junkie XL’s score is sweeping. The humor surprisingly lands and yet it’s never overbearing. It’s reasonably well paced despite it’s runtime and once again it gives it that epic feel. I never would have guessed Snyder was actually capable of making a heroic film, but I guess he wasn’t lying implying BVS was the dawn of justice. Excluding the Joker unnecessary epilogue, the ending montage hit me hard and this is the Justice League film I was hoping for.
I always thought Whedon was the better storyteller and Snyder the better filmmaker, but this might have changed my mind.
Zack Snyder's Justice League is a textbook example of terrible storytelling. Two hours into the movie and they're still introducing new things. No normal person is ever going to sit through that. The first act of the movie is over two hours. Not releasing this trainwreck in cinemas is the smartest thing WB has ever done.
@@ericericson5633 well I mean, millions of completely normal people sat through the 4 hours of the masterpiece. And it’s a slower pace bc it’s a 4 hour movie which means things take their time. It’s ok kiddo, you can go watch an hour of cocomelon if you’d like… no one cares for your opinion
biggest thing about BVS it basically what do world is now right like cancelling and many more
@@ericericson5633 Bruh literally every dc fan has watched it and loved it so shut up
@@ericericson5633 It was always meant to be a 2 part film though.
Then Warner came in and said, no Zack, make it one movie.
And he did.
Then they said, no Zack, make it 2 hours long.
Don’t forget Wonder Woman before watching justice league
Was thinking the same thing.
The Flash's theme song in the end is chef's kiss.
I like both movies, it will be an interesting comparison though
Thanks for the video, Eric. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like you don't release as many videos as before, maybe because you're busy, but again, that's probably just me.
Your very welcome buddy. I do upload more often, it's just that I upload other videos in-between and not just versus videos.
They take a long time to make so I have been trying to give you guys some other videos in-between.
There's always additional content that I upload on Patreon too so I'm always there if you want additional content. ;)
@@EricCarter12 Ok. Thank you
@@levlarl1463 And yes I AM a big fan of Total Drama! 😉
@@EricCarter12 Hello again, Eric. I have some new Vs. video ideas:
Who Framed Roger Rabbit vs The Thief and the Cobbler
Lord of the Rings (1978) vs Lord of the Rings (1 and 2)
Hellboy vs Hellboy 2 vs Hellboy remake
Spawn (1997) vs either Hellboy (2004) or Venom
Superman (1978) vs Man of Steel
Planet of the Apes trilogy
Batman (1989) vs Batman Begins vs The Batman (2021)
I'll put more if I find any.
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Thanks buddy! 😊
I love both with my whole soul. They both did what I thought was impossible in my lifetime.
@Eric Carter, Mario Puzo's The Godfather will celebrate its fiftieth anniversary next week. So, I thought you could do Mario Puzo's The Godfather VS Scarface (1932, 1983) video.
10:33 that sponser snuck up on me out of nowhere lol
I am one minute in to the video and know it will be great
My story of the 1st Avengers movie,
When I was 9 years old I saw Ironman 1 in the theater and loved it, saw Incredible Hulk on DVD and liked it.
Then I skipped out on the rest of the movies, not knowing they were connected, and found it strange that Rob Downey was at the end of Hulk and was confused why when my dad pointed it out.
I did not watch Avengers in the theater when I was 13, because I only liked and knew Ironman and Hulk. No Spiderman, and no idea who the villains were. So rather than experiencing this epic movie with confusion, I missed out on it.
When I finally watched it on DVD, I loved it
Snyder’s JL would’ve been a huge hit had it been released in theatres. The scale of the movie felt huge and it would’ve surprisingly blown people away I think. Like the Amazon fight scene is crazy and the opening credits was such a cool way to open a movie and it literally picks up right after BvS. Steppenwolf would’ve surprised a lot of people too on how powerful and brutal he was. I mean the black suit and flash reversing time all would’ve made people jump and cheer in a packed theater.
Though besides these movies being their first outing as a team, I think IW would’ve been a better comparison bc the stories are pretty much the same.
How did you know I wanted this
“And now, I feel like it.”
😂🔥
My extra category: superhero line up scenes.
When I saw The Avengers for the first time I thought there wouldn't be a superhero line up as good as the Avengers but Zack Snyder's Justice League not only has a better superhero line up but has the best superhero line up. So the winner with the far, far superior superhero line up is Zack Snyder's Justice Leauge.
And without any “team” or chemistry
bro I can see your love for zsjl in your profile pic of unfeatured john stewart's green lantern from zsjl. I love that movie too
@@genisysprime2384 I didn't have that profile picture when I made this comment.
@@Ope334 well the fact is that i love it.
It can’t be the best since they don’t even have a good version of Batman. That’s one third of the big 3 essentially missing. I really liked Snyder cut but I’d rather watch Avengers any day of the week. Pacing is much better in Avengers although the visuals suck compared to Snyder cut.
All I can say is Joss Whedon. Take him out of the filming/directing process, and your movie is already that much better.
Great video! I enjoy both movies, but ZSJL is on another level.
How messed up that WB wanted to copy what Whedon was doing with Avengers and Zack Snyder's cut was looked at as the inferior product?
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
If you take Whedon away from The Avengers is it better aswell?
@@jeffcunningham0389 Actually yes. The Avengers looked like a TV movie. While Ultron was decently shot, it failed storywise. Both Whedon's Avengers were mediocre and thank god for the Russos!
@@aakashsaini2184 lol the first avengers is widely regarded as one of the greatest comic book movies of all time. Even Quentin Tarantino loves it as his favorite of the mcu. But you know more than him
You Taught Me A Lot About Both Joss Whedon's Avengers & Justice League In Two Videos. I Never Thought Of The Avengers 2012 To Be Flawed Until Now, Compared To Most Phase 4 & 5 Projects Of Marvel These Days.
Hey Eric Carter, GREAT VIDEO DUDE! I would love to know your opinion on this... In your video you said none of Marvel's characters have anything that's like Batmans Batmobile or can compete with it? AND I started thinking...? What about Iron Man's armor? I kind of feel like maybe that's good balance?
Thank you!
Thanks buddy. I would say that Ironman falls under the superhero category as he flies and fires beams out of his hands.
A car is VERY different both with the way in which it travels from location to location aswell as how it can be used in combat. So the two are VERY different and not the same in anyway. Especially with regards to their action scenes and chase sequences.
Both are awesome.
I’m gonna have to say Justice League is FAR BETTER and it’s not even close. The Avengers isn’t a bad film. Not at all, but it’s only good for a couple of laughs and an epic battle. And I don’t care what the common opinion is on this, I’ll watch Man of Steel and Batman v Superman any day over most of the 5 movies that lead up to The Avengers (only one that’s great is Iron Man which is way better than The Avengers movie itself). Avengers can be a great film, but man Justice League just gave us an amazingly put together film. Hell I’ll watch Justice League over any of the Avengers films (yes even over IW and Endgame).
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Eric, have you have seen the Christopher Reeve Superman movies? Knowing how you prefer your comic book movies to be more grounded and serious I’m genuinely curious to know your thoughts on those movies.
I saw the first two movies YEARS ago. I do need to watch them again at some point. I can't really remember what I thought of the first movie but I remember thoroughly enjoying the second movie
The Avengers didnt age well, it was already an ugly as fuck looking movie even back in 2012 compared to other big blockbusters like The Dark Knight Rises and Prometheus, the thing looked like a TV movie at times carried by the novelty of watching all these characters togheter for the first time.
It not just a 2012 thing, most Marvel movies are ugly as fuck, its pretty telling when your 2021 Spider Man movie looks worse compared to movie made in 2004 about the same character, the only ones with any sort of good visuals are James Gunn Guardians movies.
I think your ability to look past your own biases and critique a movie by someone you like, and a movie you like, is actually a really strong indication of the growth within you and the leveling up of your maturity attributes!
Right on! Glad too see your growth happening in real time!
Nice ya got a sponsor!!!! :D
You should do age of Ultron vs joss whedon justice league
That would be a good comparison imo
Age of ulton is much much better. I don't think AOU is even a bad movie. It's overstuffed especially trying to plant seeds for future movies which caused them to go off rail from the main plot of the movie but overall, it handled itself decently all things considered. JL 2017 was just awful in every way.
Objectively well said.............. thank you.
Great vid.
The Avengers(2012): Superhero movie with light hearted tone, jokes, banter, great action and good cinematography but less character development & arcs, lack of storytelling and unfair treatment of main characters(Only Loki got better character development because of Tom Hiddleston's performance).
Zack Snyder's Justice League: Superhero movie with flawed yet deep understanding, dark & serious tone, great cinematography and better storytelling but had show deeper character development & arcs of each main characters, Steppenwolf and Darkseid were both scary and more intimidating villains & a redemption not just heroes but also Zack Snyder himself(Your daughter will so proud of you, Mr. Snyder).
I gave my copy of Avengers to my kids when I tried to rewatch it a third time, and just couldn't concentrate... no longer interested in that style of film making, I guess? However, I've rewatched ZSJL half a dozen times, and it just improves every time. Same with Infinity War... Watching the film a second time on disc was almost painful, but it was a fairly good laugh at the cinema. MCU films are pretty good fun first time round, but imho they're not robust enough for repeated viewings. One of my requirements from a great film is its longevity in rewatching it many times over.
Totally agree, I struggle to rewatch an MCU movie whereas I could rewatch DC media many times. Whatever era it may be, DC films always have a sense of rewatch ability.
Truth it is very difficult to rewatch infinity war ... infinity war is great movie but mcu movies are only one time watch for me except iron man1,3 🤩...i love iron man 1,3
And I hope you feel like it soon
*Zack Snyder's justice league vs Avengers: Infinity war*
This battle would be legendary. I can't wait to see you do this.
That great scene at cemetery with aquaman and WW talking, was also a big “forshadow” scene for JL3 and end of Zacks story arc, aka batman sacrificing himself to stop darkseid, when WW makes the coment about the old saying, and aquaman says atlanteans believe same....the whole “you cant bring someone back without giving one in return” or something like that, but it was foreshadowing future of the story n basically saying if they bring sups back someone else will die in his place🤯
I think they’re both of equal quality. Neither really makes sense but both are awesome and very different with their own identities
Not at all
Zsjl is faaaar better
@@BESTMOAD ok. But I think they’re both really good. One thing JL has over avengers is that Steppenwolf wins (reminds me of when thanos won) then flash used speed hacks to turn back time (like endgame). And you’re def just saying that because he said ZSJL is better
Nope
This video is amazing, it's true that if you look at both zack snyder's justice league and avengers 1, zack snyder justice league has more themes and more story behind it and more indepth character moments and arcs. but Justice league probably wouldnt have been possible of avengers hadn't come before it.I also think justice league is visually stunning there are scenes in justice league that I would love to put on my background. Oh and I gave the video a like.
Thanks buddy! 😊
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Thanks so much Klyde!
@@EricCarter12 Thank you for the great videos and for responding to me.
I love the total drama references 😂😂
Cap and Iron Man recruiting a team, what a brilliant thought!
P.S Im genuinely agree with everything you said, ZS Justice League is in a class of Infinity War kind of movie, as flash said one of the best of the best.
That doesn't even make any sense. At the time, iron man worked alone and even declined joining the avengers at the end of iron man 2. Hell, in the beginning of avengers 1 he didn't even want to meet with coulson. As for cap, he just became unfrozen
10:25 My GOD that's a smart plug in
Nice video buddy Total Drama Island is one of my favorite shows
I just started watching it recently. It's a lot of fun. It came out when Cartoon Network was in its prime.
And after doing ZSJL vs Infinity war do a versus vid on ZSJL vs Endgame
I love both movies!👍👍
I enjoyed MoS and BvS and I think others will too in time.
Like fine wine 😂
Those movies aged so well while the MCU movies don't
Not to mention the cinematography and color grading. Set design. Costume. Cg.
Hey Eric what are ur thoughts on age of ultron and what is ur score, also can u do
the Batman vs joker.
Oh that is very good
Loved both but ZACK'S movie was better in every aspect, especially visually....
You hear that Whedon?
Zack is a master of beautiful shots and cinematography 300 and watchmen being peak Zack Snyder awesomeness, While Joss has some bland looking movies as much as I liked the Avengers the movie does look oversaturated
Most adults wouldn't watch Zack Snyder films because the action has no point. The Avengers focused getting civilians to safety and Zack Snyder's Justice League focused on punching the CGI. Only the very immature liked Zack Snyder's Justice League.
@@ericericson5633 did u even watch this video?
Or the movie?
@@theju1603 He’s just a biased MCU cry baby who gets triggered whenever someone says they like Snyder Cut or anything DC related and also prefers Joss Whedon over the Russo brothers, Christopher Nolan and Matt reeves who he thinks are shit.
@@goldendragon0145 welp you explained it well