The Goods And Bads Of Season 10 Of Overwatch 2 | Group Up Podcast
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Basically in 5v5, tank is always going to be an issue or at least bring to light other issues. Fact is, with less teammates in the game, there is less wiggle room for playstyles, and counter picking is king. The biggest tell is when you flex for your daily and weekly challenges, your fastest queues are when you play tank, not surprising.
"She looks like Brig and she goes around -- sometimes on horseback -- hunting robot animals." I am *obsessed* with this description of the Horizon games, it's so true and also conveys almost no relevant information. Beautiful communication.
Also sorry to hear Flats isn't feeling well. Kudos for showing up and doing the show. "Giga-lean into what each role is," is a good stance IMO.
Both Horizon games are amazing pieces of art. Forbidden West is probably the best looking game I ever ever played at this point in my life, and I have been gaming since I was 5. Both games are on steam now too so If you have a super beefy pc it's simply spectacular. Plus Aloy is mommy material.
"they would have to rebalance the whole game for 6v6 to work"🥴
I high-key really miss the LFG feature, I found so many good groups and made real friends in the community. And sure, there's discords and websites, but thats no where near the same thing, and in general gives you much less options, and are often much more difficult and annoying to try and join a group
the goods: its another nail in the coffin
the bads: everything
can someone timestamp the moment they start talking about season 10?
5:13
Bro couldn't wait 5 minutes, that's crazy, TikTok brain
@@ozone005 I mean to be fair people click on the video to hear them talk about season 10 of Overwatch 2. You cant blame them for not wanting to listen to something entirely unrelated to the main idea of the video.
@@ozone005 nah i deleted tiktok months ago. i just don’t want to hear them yap about something that’s not on the video topic. i also don’t wanna skip too far ahead so i don’t miss anything important
@@deadman3446 thanks dude, appreciate it!
anyone know why is this one is an hour longer than SVB’s?
I got a warning sign in 2 hrs on a new account without the ability to txt chat or comm my voice. Can the streamers start addressing this and pressuring the devs because if not the vindictive report system will kill the game. I have pics and proof
podcast diff
Yes 3 hours of my life 🙏
God forbid Blizzard give the community a full editor and let the players work out some changes through trial and error.
I really want a REAL map editor so bad. it would literally be free content for overwatch. (i also just want to play 2fort 24/7 on overwatch)
Maybe if tank design leaned even more into a supportive role in the literal sense. Personally I have the most fun on tank when i use my abilities to save a teammate, or help them make a play. It kind of feels like this is where the dev team wants to take it anyways, but I have no idea where tanks like Hog, Mauga, Ball, or Doom fit into that description. Maybe that’s okay though, as long as standing there not dying is worse. You could argue that support already does this but I don’t really enjoy just pumping heals into one person or giving them some invulnerability for a brief second
is this just the svb episode again?
I’m gonna be honest my gut reaction with the hero swap lockout is you just gotta let people be mad about it. Eventually people are gonna change their mindsets and try to learn how to actually play around their characters.
So, for this who discussion around here (26:00), I got an idea from joking to myself about how Ball plays like Sonic from Smash Ultimate.
Ball setting up speed boosts behind him would be pretty nice tbh. If you look over at Sonic, he rolls in place as a ball before launching himself in a direction. What if Ball could do that to, but, when he does so, it leaves behind a trail for a few seconds that allows teammates to follow him with the same speed he went with?
It could also be a way of having the whole team engage. You'd likely still have to adjust Ball's kit though. The Shield, as is, might be too much with this sort of playstyle, but having ball effectively enabling the entire team to commit to a Dive or Rush play style could be pretty useful. It also makes you want to follow the ball, because this massive speed boost and shielding could turn the tide in a battle. Leaves a fair bit of room for an experienced player to pop off as well.
Roadhog was mentioned right after. I'm trying to think of something for him. Creating a healing mist with his stuff? I could see his damage being lowered and having an alt fire that does more damage? (Sort of like Sojourn, but it could be the only way of one shotting, and only for 250 HP heroes if we want to keep that? Like Shot [70~] + Hook into Pig Pen [65?] + Melee [40] + Alt Fire (100?) KO's a 250 health target? Tldr; You can one shot, but you're either already shitting on them or you're going to get curb stomped for doing so)
I know Hog had an alt fire in OW1, but I couldn't tell you what it is tbh. I feel like something akin to this could be done, but it's hard to get everything across with just words.
The general idea is that hog is able to heal and reduce damage with 1 button. He can hook you into his Traps, and if he exhausts *every* resource, he can one shot 1 of the majority of non Tank heroes. The resources could also include his healing if the Alt Fire was using his mist somehow.
So it'd be like kitsune rush without the attack speed boost but ball goes to max speed? honestly seems like a fun idea especially when paired with a lucio for insane speeds. Might even be possible for the whole team to reach the enemy bridge on lijiang tower esp with like a sym portal
@@sneezebazooka6068 Basically, yeah. I hadn’t thought of using Kitsune Rush as a comparison.
Iirc, the buffs in Overwatch are calc’d by addition and not multiplying, so, theoretically, the boosts from both Lució and Ball shouldn’t be overpowered.
As is, you are giving up quite a bit of damage potential (As well as a bit of healing, but that is less of a factor for Ball) for high mobility. It also means you could run heroes without movement abilities like Ana in this sort of comp without too many issues, as long as they’re near Lució or Ball.
Kinda curious how this would play out tbh. Could make for a fun version of Balanced Overwatch lol
Flats at 1:50:05 🤣
give tanks less damage and more cc and mobility
Answer this, what other role can divert all the thousand streams of damage, cc, slow from 1 person alone.
You're talking about support or tank? If this is about suzu I agree it shouldn't block everything, invul+heal+cleanse is too much they need to remove one of those effects
@@ironman1458 yes and no. Support was so overtuned because tank had lost one player; the glue that held all the damage from going onto one person which is why tank = suffering rn. Support enables through healing damage and enhancing other players abilities, Dps have two phases, divide and conquer or sustained fight. Tank has the most important form of enablement through baiting all forms of damage and spacing abilities. Two tanks made it so one could swap midfight to recover or sustain just enough to create an enemy chase in which allows dps an opening to divide and conquer; akin to dive or brawl. Second option is poke or assassinate where tanks can just force abilties to go to them and leave enemies without their own to be fired upon by dps through sustain. Now imagine the role two tanks and have it basically quadrupled since if one tank had to multitask two things, imagine that multitask put on just 1 person leaving them to account for all 4 things at once and forced to not make a mistake.
Even then the support overtuning didn’t help since what was needed was abilities to hold the line and in the name tank, not outheal and deny.
man i miss my wife tails.
it would be so awesome if they gave us back overwatch 1, so we could actually squash this 6v6 and 5v5 and see which was actually better
There should be dps heroes that have 2 builds. A tank build with lower damage but better survivability. Or you can choose their original dps build. Then we can have an off tank again
I’m down to lean more into the slightly more hp dps. Tank. Is already defined by its high sustain CD’s and damage mitigation CD’s like defense matrix, cardiac overdrive, or even bubble. CD’s that a dps or support would NEVER have. So I’m down on cutting thr HP of a lot of tanks. Make them more dps like with damage but more squishy overall.
47:10 and that's why... you go back to double tank. So then you can have the effect of "hey look at me or I will kill you all" but lessening the feeling of "oh they looked at me and now my gameplay experience is terrible" because you have the 2nd tank to diminish the effects of counterswapping.
it should be an objective fact at this point. Solo tanking will always be awful and will always be an unsolvable issue. And yes, 6v6 was a solvable problem. Everything that happened in 6v6, was a balancing issue, and not a format issue or a "tank" issue. The game was 100x better to play back in 6v6, why stick with the worse option and trying to slap makeup on it to make it seem like it's working with massive balance change after massive balance change.
All of the bots make me sad😞😞😞
Edit: the CZcams bot comments
bro its crazy. im diamond support and decided to finally work on dps this season. stuck in gold currently, and so many tanks are default icon, no namecard, playing like NPCs.
I meant the yt bot comments….
3 hour commitment, say less
Sigh. Here I go, watching a 3 hour video on a game I don't even play anymore, cuz 5v5 sucks so much lol. What is wrong with me? I know it's far past time to give up on OW...
No one's stopping you
🤓@@parkercole6389
Bros toxic ex is overwatch 😭😭😭
5v5 is great
5v5 is popular and this comment is pathetic if true. Just kick rocks bro, nobody cares if you like or play ow
5v5 will never be balanced bc you cant distribute power evenly between 3 roles and 5 players at the same time. Either the tank role is weaker to balance power between players or tank players are stronger than everyone else to balance power between roles. There is no solution to the 5v5 equation.
No coms suck 1000% in ranked its such a ridiculous thought to have. If u can't control your sexist/racial negativity then competitive gaming 100% ISN'T FOR YOU! I will NEVER change my standpoint on that.
Be honest with yourself and take responsibility.
6v6 is the answer. I stopped playing tank cause of if I ever have a game I’m slightly off my team just loses. Queue times a bad cause tanks (like myself) don’t like feeling miserable.
What they need to do is go back to a 4 role system. Tank, Attack, Support, and Controller instead of Atk/Def/Sup. It would allow them to restrat the entire system without implementing 6v6, which i would love to actually come back and would work with what I'm about to drop below, but likely never will cause it was almost a ground up change which is why OW --->OW2 the servers were offlined.
You have controller characters, and Trolls can be a mix of Tanks, Support, and DPS that already in the field as is;
Sym who can create ports, turrets, and a Arena wide shield wall and decent dps and trap laying.
Sombra who is a back line harasser with quick movement, debuffs, invis, and ok dps.
Torb who can act defensively or offensively, tweak his hammer to heal turrets (his and sym) instead of just his turrets and Bastion.
Kiriko with susu, her fuda, tp, and ult literally makes her a controller class onto herself without needing to tweak her existing kit
LW with grip, Tree, and platforms is also a field controller support.
Sigma can be moved down to Controller due to his shield throwing, decent range, and AOE Ult
JQ with her shout, knive throw to bring enemies in, carnage and rampage all aoe that force teams to scatter and back off.
Orisa meta issues get solved by making her a Controller cause she can stand there take hits, dish it back, stun lock, and aoe sweep.
Retool the DPS passive to a 5% healer debuff with a 7% to tanks
Support passives becomes an auto regen to their own pool at a 3% in combat, and 8% OoC.
Tanks can kinda stay at the moment.
Controllers then get a field passive effect to enhance their abilities existing passives being a Tank, DPS, Support an additional 2-7%.
Open up Tank queue to Tank/Controller, and 1 Support to Support/Controller. It alters the queues across all brackets while slotting you into potential positions, opens up to a triple DPS/Support situation or Dbl tank. It doesn't remove Role Queue, doesn't remove Open Queue, opens up old assault maps to be viable again and reenter rotation.
And this is an idea I've been thinking on how they could literally rebalance the goddam game since they won't give us PVE modes, and aren't rebalancing the game on a regular intelligent basis since we keep getting Mauga/Orisa/Hog as comps and the matching healers season after season after season
Better yet, let’s just make it 1v1 😍 Let’s eliminate synergies and team play entirely! It’ll be so good for the game! 😂 In all seriousness when are you guys going to realize 6v6 was the answer all along, the devs just killed the game and didn’t update it for years
I can see youve been cooking for hours but i think id rather just have a 6v6 sandwich 😂
LET HIM COOK!!!!!!!!! this is srsly what we need
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the change to venture sucks
nah
@@vex9179 venture needed those nerfs
the change to ow2 sucks, get used to it
@@fallasleep3513no she didn't, learn pharah.
@@mckookie2967 I know pharah, your character is just way too easy value that it’s actually stupid. I’m glad they got nerfed and I hope they stay nerfed till the end of time
Is anyone else tired of OW content creators reposting/reacting to other people's content? I feel like they're just being lazy.
It’s not laziness! It’s just super hard to make content about a game that only get like three new stuff each season
5 comments in 4 mins, guys i didn't want to make the joke but I think flats fell off...
Or they don't want to watch a 3 plus hour video. I enjoy discussions, so I watch not everyone does though
@@loganangell9905 or they want to watch the 3 hours instead of commenting
@@ozone005 honestly like why comment 2 seconds after it's posted
@@loganangell9905 its a joke chill
@@ozone005 its a joke lol
100% the real way to truly fix tanks. Is to delete the role entirely and change it from "Tanks" to "Bruisers" and make them bigger dps who shares queues with DPS. But yeah it'll probably never happen and we will just play this game of whack a mole whenever a tank gets too strong
as a mmorpg tank player. I will say there is nothing wrong with a role that doesn't have max damage out. In classic wow, as a tank you juggle your GCDs between creating threat (doing damage) and mitigating damage (avoiding damage)