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  • čas přidán 17. 03. 2022
  • #GreenGoblin #SpiderMan #WillemDafoe
    Today I’ll take a look at what made Willem Dafoe so great as the Green Goblin in Spider-Man (2002).
    Spider-Man is a 2002 superhero movie directed by Sam Reimi, starring Toby Maguire and Willem Dafoe. It was one of the first modern Marvel movies, and Dafoe's performance as The Green Goblin helped set a precedent for many Marvel movie villains to follow. So let's look at how he got the role, and what made his Green Goblin so great.
    Edited by Danny Boyd
    Support me at Patreon.com/CinemaStix
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  • @CinemaStix
    @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +2151

    Who’s you’re favorite Spider-Man baddy, across all the live-action films?

  • @runbaa9285
    @runbaa9285 Před 2 lety +13409

    This man was literally one of the best non MCU Marvel villains, got sucked into the MCU, *became* one of the best villains in the MCU, and just left. What a chad.

  • @john.f.remedy.237
    @john.f.remedy.237 Před 2 lety +10674

    One of the greatest comic book villain portrayals of all time and he seems like he didn’t miss a beat between the 1st SM and No Way Home. And to top it off, to do his own stunts at his age is seriously impressive…

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +395

      100% yep.

    • @justinarzola5782
      @justinarzola5782 Před 2 lety +321

      The way he kicks and flips around in sm1 and nah is so graceful and badass.

    • @SOSOLRAK
      @SOSOLRAK Před 2 lety +122

      I wanna meet this man and shake his hand and be on our way.

    • @khpoon5424
      @khpoon5424 Před 2 lety +26

      @@SOSOLRAK true

    • @olmeno
      @olmeno Před 2 lety +41

      The way he played the character is good but his motivation after he kills that members of the board is kind of a mystery why does he fixate on Spiderman if he already reached his goal ?

  • @Darkwolfinstien
    @Darkwolfinstien Před rokem +590

    The fact that this man’s conditions were to return in no way home were
    “I do my own stunts and fight scenes otherwise the fans won’t believe it was me”
    He is an actor like no other

    • @LordMalice6d9
      @LordMalice6d9 Před 9 měsíci +5

      Willem Dafoe is a one of a kind actor.

  • @xfloodcasual8124
    @xfloodcasual8124 Před rokem +156

    I worked on this film doing VFX. On all these shots. Man, what a blast from the past. We had no idea it would be this successful, we laughed at it in dailies. Also...its incredible how high-fidelity the photography is compared to today's Netflix or Hollywood films shot digitally. I was a VFX artist so I would promote digital things, of course...but I realize now film looks incredible.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před rokem +24

      Ah! I’d have interviewed you for the video had I known.
      And seriously. So many of these shots are just beautiful as far as just good old fashioned photography goes. The faces, the colors. Yeesh.
      Thanks for checking out the video.
      -Danny

    • @xfloodcasual8124
      @xfloodcasual8124 Před rokem +28

      ​@@CinemaStix Cool. And yes, I remember the single take of Willem in the mirror. Sad when they cut that. But Sam's editor and close friend Bob M came up with all the classic edits and moments in the film! I was impressed. They brought all the Evil Dead stuff to it.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před rokem +16

      Yeah, I would imagine if they did all that in single takes and then still decided to cut it, they knew exactly what they were doing. Or it wouldn’t have ended up as brilliant as it did.

    • @jonm1013
      @jonm1013 Před rokem

      Is that film vs digital, or what can I look up to understand it better?

    • @xfloodcasual8124
      @xfloodcasual8124 Před rokem

      @@jonm1013 I dont understand the question

  • @thatRyzzle
    @thatRyzzle Před 2 lety +7286

    Hearing about Willem DeFoe basically having to fight for the role-it just makes him as an actor and a person even better, IMHO.

  • @mmmchestnut4085
    @mmmchestnut4085 Před 2 lety +4936

    Dafoe actually enjoys acting. He has fun BEING these characters. And I don’t see why he shouldn’t.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +196

      For real. Love what you do and people will love you for doing it.

    • @mr_indie_fan
      @mr_indie_fan Před 2 lety +54

      I think every actor should! As an actor you can make a movie 10x better by putting your heart and soul into the role!

    • @qrowing
      @qrowing Před 2 lety +21

      I can only imagine how much fun he had with Boondock Saints.

    • @McDonaldsCalifornia
      @McDonaldsCalifornia Před 2 lety +9

      Oh yes he really enjoys what he does and it comes through!!

    • @cordan305
      @cordan305 Před rokem +14

      He has an incredible range and many classic roles under his belt, plus he does stage stuff on the side too so he’s constantly working

  • @SPMask
    @SPMask Před rokem +196

    Willem had only one thought in his mind when he knew he had to fight for the role.
    "Gods don't choose, we take."

  • @aidenp.s.9197
    @aidenp.s.9197 Před rokem +124

    as a child, i was absolutely terrified of the green goblin. i was scared of the scene where norman shakes violemtely and breaks out of the chamber. seeing willam dafoe's raw portrayal of the emotions of norman was scarier than the goblins mask itself. every second of norrman was like i was really there, seeing the man. the goblins laugh is still ingrained into my head as something that evokes a primal fear from my childhood.

    • @DAMfoxygrampa
      @DAMfoxygrampa Před 4 měsíci +2

      You just awoke a dormant feeling from my childhood. I have the exact same feeling, Norman shaking after being exposed to the green gas was a really frightening experience for my young self. Damn, thanks bro haha

  • @DTheCritical
    @DTheCritical Před 2 lety +4128

    Willem Dafoe is a beast and he was 100% right he was born for the role he was to Green Goblin what Robert Downey JR was to Tony Stark

  • @cara-setun
    @cara-setun Před 2 lety +886

    Something I feel that Raimi (and Dafoe) understood that the rest of the MCU didn’t is that the villains are horror movie characters. To us and the heroes, it’s a thriller action, but to the in-universe people, these villains are nightmares.

    • @coffinboy556
      @coffinboy556 Před 11 měsíci +60

      The dock ock hospital scene?

    • @jrd3807
      @jrd3807 Před 8 měsíci

      That was pure Evil Dead atmosphere@@coffinboy556

    • @samuelwallace2782
      @samuelwallace2782 Před 7 měsíci +8

      Nailed it

    • @Strawman36
      @Strawman36 Před 5 měsíci +5

      The superheros are horror movie characters too. Hulk. Captain America. Spiderman. All monsters who choose the light.

    • @equiinferno
      @equiinferno Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@Strawman36As shown brilliantly in The Boys

  • @ddelarosa96
    @ddelarosa96 Před 11 měsíci +23

    The mirror scene was the first scene I ever saw as a kid where I felt the villain was immensely interesting. My admiration for how he could switch back and forth so quickly and without missing a beat is also what made me realize how a talented actor could really shine

  • @masterofbloopers
    @masterofbloopers Před 9 měsíci +15

    Raimi's outfit designs are simply the best! This version of the Green Goblin was, is, and will always be the definitive version of the villain to me. So much so that whenever I saw a different version of the goblin (especially versions older than the movie one), they looked wrong.

  • @frankH117
    @frankH117 Před 2 lety +2893

    Dude! didn't know that the mirror scene was shot in one take. That shows how good of an actor he is.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +189

      SERiously. Would’ve loved loved loved to have been on set to see that.

    • @Krisliet
      @Krisliet Před 2 lety +53

      It would be awesome if the unedited scene was still out there.

    • @ayayron8221
      @ayayron8221 Před rokem +45

      I get why they cut it. Watching the camera speedpan back and forth between dafoe and his reflection would've been nauseating.

    • @yuri_ortega
      @yuri_ortega Před rokem +32

      You know, he's something of an actor himself

    • @themr_wilson
      @themr_wilson Před rokem +5

      See, knowing Dafoe, I just assumed it was

  •  Před 2 lety +1208

    You know you've nailed a character when the following reboots of the franchise don't even want to try to make a different version of your character.

    • @notdave2752
      @notdave2752 Před rokem +18

      i mean.. they did tho

    • @tydshiin5783
      @tydshiin5783 Před rokem +43

      ​@@notdave2752Harry doesn't count tho

    • @windupstudios8960
      @windupstudios8960 Před rokem +9

      @@tydshiin5783there was a green goblin in TASM2

    • @jokerz3790
      @jokerz3790 Před rokem +10

      @@windupstudios8960
      Gardields spidey was a big flop

    • @bable6314
      @bable6314 Před rokem +52

      @@windupstudios8960 There was a Harry Osborn Green Goblin, not a Norman Osborn Green Goblin. Two different characters.

  • @simransaini99
    @simransaini99 Před rokem +10

    That story about the teeth is the best part of this video. And it makes perfect sense, and I can see why the producer wanted that. But the improvisation to leave his natural teeth on, in the mirror scene adds to the viciousness of the goblin, and we don’t even know they did that to the audience. Great work.

    • @ssjcosty
      @ssjcosty Před 11 měsíci

      I know _some_ big CEOs, but none of them have perfect teeth. Mind you, I'm in Europe. Is this thing about CEOs having fake teeth something common in the USA?

    • @simransaini99
      @simransaini99 Před 11 měsíci

      @@ssjcosty I don’t want to sound "too learned" by saying yes. But it does seem like an intelligent input to the scene. Little things make it better.

  • @mr_0n10n5
    @mr_0n10n5 Před rokem +12

    Dafoe: *plays one of the most compelling and interesting villains on TV ever
    Also Dafoe: "Wanna see me do it again?"
    Absolute Chad

  • @TheRoomforImprovement
    @TheRoomforImprovement Před 2 lety +1085

    It should be worth noting that Defoe continued to insist on doing his own stunts when he reprised his role in no way home.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +105

      Which is A-mazing.

    • @GaJ42
      @GaJ42 Před 2 lety +109

      He even said he wouldn’t reprise it if he couldn’t do his own stunts

    • @skeletor6287
      @skeletor6287 Před 2 lety +102

      The guys in his 60s and he didn’t miss a beat

    • @bruhdon4748
      @bruhdon4748 Před 2 lety +50

      He’s always been super athletic, stunt men on the movies he’s been in have always said he’s incredibly fit & would even have a hard time keeping up with him, not only is he an amazing actor he just seems like an all round good person.

    • @pleasedontvisitme9723
      @pleasedontvisitme9723 Před 2 lety +6

      It was such an amazing spirit from an actor so far

  • @pian-0g445
    @pian-0g445 Před 2 lety +2385

    Honestly, Sam Raimi’s horror style was the perfect way to bring comic super heroes to their fullest.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +137

      Seriously. Who woulda thunk it.

    • @brandonspain12345
      @brandonspain12345 Před 2 lety +57

      Especially with Darkman which nobody seems to talk about unfortunately.

    • @N.I.A23
      @N.I.A23 Před rokem +50

      I mean, it's a guy with spider powers.
      Imagins being a criminal and seeing some masked guy crawling on the wall.... chills

    • @scottwilliams846
      @scottwilliams846 Před rokem +64

      I agree. Sam Raimi's horror movie style bottle fed the superhero genre after finding it on its doorstep with a note from the action movie genre.

    • @videodeposu8741
      @videodeposu8741 Před rokem

      Yeah perfection

  • @samynator0904
    @samynator0904 Před rokem +12

    Now after all the hype settled down and we can come back to No Way Home, I think one of the most brilliant parts of that movie is definitely Willem coming back as the green goblin without the mask, that scene where Peter is just punching him straight in the face and he just laughs like a maniac, that's chilling man, what a performance

  • @urbnctrl
    @urbnctrl Před rokem +17

    Love this mini docu tribute to the MCUs most iconic villain

  • @wordswordswords413
    @wordswordswords413 Před 2 lety +693

    This man made this role so Iconic that I hear his voice even when I read the comics

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +62

      That’s amazing. It’s that way for me with Kevin Conroy.

    • @GNo03
      @GNo03 Před 2 lety +36

      Honestly not many people say it but I think Tobey’s voice fits Spider-Man great too, when he’s in the suit

    • @thunderofgr
      @thunderofgr Před 2 lety +29

      @@CinemaStix If you don’t hear Mark Hamill as the Joker, then I don’t know what to hear.

    • @pleasedontvisitme9723
      @pleasedontvisitme9723 Před 2 lety +2

      His smile in the no way home trailer was such a good thing thing ,that made us believe that he is going to be badass in again in NWH

    • @rawpowerjagg
      @rawpowerjagg Před 2 lety

      @@pleasedontvisitme9723 which trailer?

  • @elijahbaker781
    @elijahbaker781 Před 2 lety +524

    He’s a menace of the Rami universe and the MCU. The Goblin is literally a multiversal threat.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +34

      Yeah, those are some big shoes.

  • @sodathejunker
    @sodathejunker Před rokem +7

    Dafoe understands the craft and gets why it matters.
    That’s why he gets the roles we love, and we love to see him in those roles.

  • @andrewraebig9271
    @andrewraebig9271 Před rokem +2

    This was a brilliant video, good job! Not what I was expecting from the title, but a great presentation!

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před rokem

      Thanks! Yeah, but my favorite title. But it seemed to be the most effective and people seemed to still like the video. So, :)
      -Danny

  • @issaherionfather3751
    @issaherionfather3751 Před 2 lety +1547

    Honestly this makes me love and respect Sam Raimis Spider-Man trilogy even more. Growing up with it as a kid and seeing it now as an adult , you can really see the love the man had for the source material and the love he put in the actors heart making them wanna preform there best . I seriously don’t think with the way superhero movies are now and how connected every movie has to be and how it has to be part of a bigger cinematic universe we won’t see this type of story telling of Spider-Man in a movie where it’s just about him and the people in his lives and not about a larger universe but hey at least we got this

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +96

      It was such a unique point in time for superhero movies. Hardly any precedent, and so much potential ahead. Of course-and to really only speak further to your point about how things are today-they even managed to bring this 20 year old trilogy into the connected universe with No Way Home. Something I never expected to happen.

    • @issaherionfather3751
      @issaherionfather3751 Před 2 lety +52

      @@CinemaStix it’s crazy to think how superhero movies have grown so much since the 2000s alone , and yea seeing them make there big return to the big screen and Willem Dafoe still wanting to do his stunts is crazy . And off topic but hopefully Toby or Andrew can make a return as a Spider-Man in there own movie a fanboy can dream lol

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +35

      Well, if history has taught us anything, it’s that for every 1,000 things fans want and don’t get, every so often we get lucky. I’ve actually got something coming out tomorrow somewhat on the topic of fans winning over the studios. Though admittedly not Spider-Man related.

    • @issaherionfather3751
      @issaherionfather3751 Před 2 lety +12

      @@CinemaStix I’ll definitely check out the next video , and keep up the good work this was an amazing video and brought back some fond childhood memories

    • @justinarzola5782
      @justinarzola5782 Před 2 lety +8

      The fact we have these movies the way they are is truly magical.

  • @bohemianbeaumontfilms7892
    @bohemianbeaumontfilms7892 Před 2 lety +584

    Willem Dafoe's voice done it for me.The split character was just perfect.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +40

      Oh yeah. In No Way Home, too. I just believe him when he was being friendly, and I believe him equally when he isn’t.

    • @thewildcardperson
      @thewildcardperson Před 2 lety +7

      @@CinemaStix felt like a real bi polar skitzo

  • @Satori-Automotive
    @Satori-Automotive Před rokem +3

    0:47 back then when he was Spooderman

  • @chasegodwin8257
    @chasegodwin8257 Před rokem +1

    Excellent breakdown!!

  • @malfaroangel3896
    @malfaroangel3896 Před 2 lety +489

    William Defoe literally stepped out the Toby timeline and jumped into to the Tom timeline to teach him how to be Spider-Man

  • @ryanstauffer119
    @ryanstauffer119 Před 2 lety +2035

    To those who don't know, the other actors that were considered for the Green Goblin role at the time were Nicholas Cage, John Travolta, John Malkovich, Jim Carrey, Jason Issacs and Robert De Niro. Maybe I could see Jason Issacs for the Norman Osborn role and I can see Jim Carrey doing the Green Goblin part, but I think Dafoe did a good job embodying both characters.
    Edit: Thanks for all the likes.

    • @taekinuru2
      @taekinuru2 Před 2 lety +346

      Nicholas Cage could do a good job tbh but we lucked out when we got DaFriend

    • @Miraak22
      @Miraak22 Před 2 lety +221

      Jim Carrey honestly isn't a bad choice.

    • @brandonspain12345
      @brandonspain12345 Před 2 lety +116

      I remember hearing Kevin Spacey was also considered and he honestly looks like Norman Osborn and if he probably would've portrayed Goblin as a more colder and more of a serious father similar to his Ultimate Spider-Man appearance. Not sure if I could picture him as Goblin though.

    • @denisl2760
      @denisl2760 Před 2 lety +92

      John Malkovich would've been epic. Dafoe was the perfect choice though.

    • @theycallmerisky619
      @theycallmerisky619 Před 2 lety +11

      The only onther actor I can see playing Norman Osborn besides Dafoe is... Leonardo Dicaprio.

  • @thegreatqtip4516
    @thegreatqtip4516 Před rokem +2

    From interviews I've seen recently, it seems like he's just as passionate about his job as ever. Loads of respect for anyone who can preserve that for their whole life.

  • @SmartFool24
    @SmartFool24 Před rokem +4

    I remember as a kid admiring Willam Dafoe for his role in Platoon. Ever since I try to watch everything with him in it.

  • @DCMarvel2009
    @DCMarvel2009 Před 2 lety +1176

    I like how they made the “capped teeth” thing a major plot point in No Way Home.
    When DaFoe’s in Norman mode, his teeth are “normal”. But when the Goblin takes over, his teeth revert to how they naturally look.

    • @sweetcinnamonpnchkin
      @sweetcinnamonpnchkin Před 2 lety +106

      Yep. However, Norman was just a mask. Green Goblin was always there.

    • @jerkstore7505
      @jerkstore7505 Před rokem +17

      That was in the Raimi movies.

    • @tristan.gilbertson
      @tristan.gilbertson Před rokem +102

      Idk about a “major plot point” lol

    • @Flipindabird23
      @Flipindabird23 Před rokem +4

      @@jerkstore7505 it’s in no way home. Emphasized too

    • @masukuma
      @masukuma Před rokem +32

      it's one of those things you see and you know he has turned but I couldn't put a finger on it until this video. My brain tells me the transformation has happened but I can't tell how I know it has happened... i just know it has!

  • @freeguy3751
    @freeguy3751 Před 2 lety +453

    Awesome piece. What really got my respect for Dafoe was how he was able to pick up the character 25 years later and hit a home run! THAT'S acting.

  • @evifnoskcaj
    @evifnoskcaj Před rokem +2

    I've always loved William DeFoe and I'm so happy to see him get the credit he deserves as an actor! His acting in No Way Home is incredibly moving, proves his amazing control of his face and voice to move from warm and soft to dark and terrifying, and it heightens the overall movie from an artistic perspective. Solid video, and so happy this sweet man and passionate and incredibly talented actor is getting the praise and recognition he deserves!

  • @thegumbonetwork1421
    @thegumbonetwork1421 Před rokem +3

    He killed the role in both Universes. The voice, the laugh, the menace, one of my favorite things to watch.

  • @Spoopball
    @Spoopball Před 2 lety +415

    Legitimately, the way he delivered the lines; which were in all honesty a travesty to read, were 100% masterfully done.
    Somehow the "comical" lines were completely believable

  • @TonyTylerDraws
    @TonyTylerDraws Před 2 lety +156

    He’s got all the acting chops of a “serious” actor and then goes full ham. It actually works so well for the Goblin because he’s terrifying in a instant

  • @cadehowell9130
    @cadehowell9130 Před rokem +1

    Great editing!

  • @MsKitcloudkicker
    @MsKitcloudkicker Před rokem +1

    This was fantastic. First video I watched of yours. And Bravo to Dafoe , legendary!

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před rokem

      Thank you! The dude is the best.
      -Danny

  • @frankunbaphomet3206
    @frankunbaphomet3206 Před 2 lety +157

    Wow the teeth part legitimately got me. I never even paid attention to that and I LOVE that they went with the direction of showing his teeth in the mirror scene. I love that scene so much, I am always wondering how on earth did the producers think anyone BUT defoe could have done the goblin any justice. What an amazing actor.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +10

      Seriously. The teeth thing was half my inspiration for even making this video. And I wasn’t paying super close attention, but I’m pretty sure that was maintained in No Way Home.
      Thanks for commenting.
      -Danny

  • @JokerSaintsRow
    @JokerSaintsRow Před 2 lety +760

    I can’t imagine a world where Willem Dafoe isn’t casted as The Joker…

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +202

      Where can I find the portal to your universe?

    • @cngotham4111
      @cngotham4111 Před 2 lety +80

      Seriously though. And I can't imagine a world where he's cast as green goblin using goblins actual green skin.

    • @AgroFro
      @AgroFro Před 2 lety +30

      you're living in it

    • @drishalballaney6590
      @drishalballaney6590 Před 2 lety +31

      Ah damn he would actually make an AWESOME Joker ngl

    • @tha1stalchemist
      @tha1stalchemist Před 2 lety +2

      *Vader breathez heavy* kevin bacon would be better... *Vader breathez heavy*

  • @ThePurple1234567891
    @ThePurple1234567891 Před 10 měsíci

    I'm happy this got recommended to me. Great video

  • @dageon
    @dageon Před 9 měsíci

    I've thought about his portrayal so much since I've first seen it. He was an amazing villain. The mirror scene is so ridiculously good. I am so glad I found your channel and that you covered this.

  • @larrytherustyboii7442
    @larrytherustyboii7442 Před 2 lety +88

    I gotta say, the man really knows how to switch his tone of voice a I enjoyed hearing his green goblin voice.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +10

      Oh yeah. As a kid I never really thought about it. Each half of the character always felt super different, but I didn’t exactly pick up why. But each voice really is unique. I have so much sympathy for him when he’s just being Norman. Then when he switches I’m like, why did I ever feel that way?

    • @chaosdweller
      @chaosdweller Před rokem

      Not for nothing, but in Larries defense when yer in a alternate diminsion as UNPAID KNOWN PERSON in a gold fish bowl, (the very thing I saw coming that nobody else saw and what I tried to avoid btw haha! ) again being rusty is actually not a problem in this COMPLETELY unatrual habitat haha, and this can actually be intellectually proven from my real life unfortunately unique perspective ( or what I like to call the 3rd diminsion as described above ) haha. My guess is, if ? I was in a natural environment dealing with normal pressures I'd probably be over the rust and dust , within a yr tops haha, I haven't actually tried in OVER THAT haha, so see haha , it's not relevant actually haha.

    • @chaosdweller
      @chaosdweller Před rokem

      Haha oh I know right haha, I wasted all my time reading yt names and talking to u haha, but I did clearly hear that and was enjoying it while occupied haha.

    • @chaosdweller
      @chaosdweller Před rokem

      @@CinemaStix LMAO!

  • @moonshine588
    @moonshine588 Před 2 lety +266

    You know he's something of an actor himself.

  • @elliottobelliotnwaobi4779

    Great editing.

  • @Opethbtbam1
    @Opethbtbam1 Před rokem +2

    You are filling the deep hole that I've had ever since Every Frame a Painting ended. Thank you for creating this channel

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před rokem +1

      This is probably the most meaningful comment I’ve gotten from people. It’s a hole I was left with, too. I figured if I can even begin to attempt to try to just maybe kind of fill that hole a tiny, tiny bit.. then it’s worth the effort of making videos :)
      -Danny

  • @brandonspain12345
    @brandonspain12345 Před 2 lety +68

    Now with No Way Home tying with the Raimi and Webb Spider-Man movies, Defoe's Green Goblin is now technically the first MCU villain.

  • @TheAbsentDarkness
    @TheAbsentDarkness Před 2 lety +92

    Willem DaFoe is the PERFECT live-action Green Goblin, and I feel like he would've done an absolutely perfect Joker for any Batman movie! The man is a little crazy, and that's what makes him so great!

    • @Azureblue25
      @Azureblue25 Před rokem +1

      Plus, if you noticed in this video there was a clip showing Christian Bale who played Batman in the Dark Knight Trilogy along with Willem Dafoe in the same scene together, I don’t know the title for that movie though, just a cool coincidence. I’m sure Willem Dafoe would’ve been great for a Joker role, but I’m glad we got Heath Ledger.

  • @TheRossMadness
    @TheRossMadness Před rokem +2

    Dafoe’s delivery of the rooftop speech is permanently seared into my brain. He took a monologue that could very easily be campy and delivered it with such precision and menace that it has more weight.

  • @TheRocksbarney
    @TheRocksbarney Před rokem

    I’m loving your channel! Keep up the hard work

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před rokem +1

      I appreciate it! Got something new every Saturday :)
      Thanks so much for watching and commenting.
      -Danny

  • @MarcH2os
    @MarcH2os Před 2 lety +96

    This video feels like a story youd hear on npr. Really well made

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +6

      This honestly means a ton to hear because, for this video specifically, I took a lot of cues from a couple of my favorite NPR shows. I wanted something less analytical and more story-driven. And just, they do it best over there.

  • @franciscs1604
    @franciscs1604 Před 2 lety +11

    1:01
    Marvel & DC presents…
    “Green Goblin VS The Dark Knight: American Psycho”

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +3

      The closest we’ll ever get…

  • @vanbelkom
    @vanbelkom Před 2 lety +1

    This is VERY well edited

  • @Arufured0
    @Arufured0 Před rokem +1

    Neat montage, bravo.

  • @McDonaldsCalifornia
    @McDonaldsCalifornia Před 2 lety +93

    I really like the seamless blend between voice over, interview clips and movie clips (and audio commentary?).
    Makes it feel like I am both getting the background and the story as told by Dafoe himself

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +13

      Thanks so much! It was a little experimental. Someone else commented that it made them cringe. So. Subjective I guess. But I’m glad you enjoyed it :)
      -Danny

  • @sadbishdish
    @sadbishdish Před 2 lety +35

    One of my ALLTIME favorite actors!

  • @Legendarytommy4327
    @Legendarytommy4327 Před rokem +2

    That scene where both the goblin and
    Norman are talking to each is just
    masterful…Willem is, was and always
    will be a brilliant actor.

  • @G_Travel99
    @G_Travel99 Před 2 lety +61

    Spiderman is by far the movie that most impacted my childhood, and i never get tired of re-watching it. And without a singular doubt, when i think of the definition of "villain", Willem Dafoe Green Goblin always appear fresh in my mind, with that sinister smile and that terrorific voice that always scared a 5 year old boy.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +1

      I was right there with you. Basically the same age. Just the best.

    • @Stoirelius
      @Stoirelius Před rokem +3

      I was 10 years old and he still scared me. And he managed to scare me once again in No Way Home, despite me being 30😄

  • @robfalgiano
    @robfalgiano Před 2 lety +199

    Great video summary! Dafoe was genius in this role. The original trilogy is still king even if SM3 isn’t perfect.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +9

      Thank you! Yeah, man’s the bomb. Definitely planning to do something on SM2 at some point, too.

    • @robfalgiano
      @robfalgiano Před 2 lety +7

      @@CinemaStix raimi is the glue and visionary. Not cookie cutter

    • @tonuahmed4227
      @tonuahmed4227 Před 2 lety +7

      Like what honest trailer said " the godfather" superhero movies...

    • @robfalgiano
      @robfalgiano Před 2 lety +3

      @@mellohi6175 I actually liked the whole Venom part. I thought Topher did a nice job and I liked the conflict between him and Peter. I liked the Sandman plot less, with him being the true killer of Uncle Ben. But his scenes as Sandman still looked great and the actor was good. With three villains the movie did feel crowded.

    • @PunxTV123
      @PunxTV123 Před 2 lety +2

      tom holland is forgettable movie, once i get out on theathre, i already thinking on food instead talking on that movie

  • @BigGringus
    @BigGringus Před rokem +1

    8:37 Green Goblin dancing through the chaos is not something I thought I needed to see. 😂😂😂

  • @Rando-yg2jf
    @Rando-yg2jf Před rokem

    Great video dude. He killed this role. Love og Spider-Man.

  • @baddabaddabaddaswing
    @baddabaddabaddaswing Před 2 lety +20

    Usually I'm tired of crossovers, but Dafoe plays the role so well, I wish we could have seen Osborn in a scene with Stark, either in or out of costume.

    • @Linator4
      @Linator4 Před 9 měsíci +1

      I hope we get something like that in Secret Wars. My big dream is to see Wesley Snipes, Hugh Jackman, Tobey Maguire, & RDJ share a screen as pillars of the superhero genre.

  • @netherfreakultima4498
    @netherfreakultima4498 Před 2 lety +36

    Norman practically nailed being the goblin ^^

  • @hasis1883
    @hasis1883 Před rokem +1

    this is a really well done video.

  • @haydenkinley5266
    @haydenkinley5266 Před rokem +2

    I love Dafoe as Green Goblin, he's just a riot in this movie. I'm glad they settled on him because while he hams it up, he has subtleties too and Dafoe's theater background is literally perfect for Green Goblin with his flair for dramatics, it's very fitting. And his voice work with Goblin is so fitting, it's iconic.
    I love his attitude too, it wasn't treated as something serious by a lot of his peers, but he loved the idea and approached with excitement and respect. Willem is great!

  • @Memu_
    @Memu_ Před 2 lety +67

    When I clicked on this video I didn't look at the views or subscribers and after seeing them now I am shocked. This is an amazing video.

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +6

      Dang, thank you. Well.. hopefully those numbers go up. But if not, I’m glad at least you chose to click anyway :)

    • @dominikocaginavanua4787
      @dominikocaginavanua4787 Před 2 lety +1

      Right? His essays are just something else. The pacing, the tone, the in depth history and the themes. I have never clicked subscribe faster

  • @The_Eldest_Millenial
    @The_Eldest_Millenial Před rokem

    Absolutely phenomenal portrayal. ♥

  • @BIGJoJo23
    @BIGJoJo23 Před rokem

    Willem Dafoe's portrayal of the Green Goblin will always be my favorite portrayal of a villain especially within the MCU not to mention that Green Goblin as a whole is my favorite villain within the MCU in general. Great vid tho gang I subscribed & will stay tuned for any of your new content 🔥💯

  • @Ampelmannchen42
    @Ampelmannchen42 Před 2 lety +34

    Willem Dafoe is one of the best actors Marvel has ever had for a baddie, and he always will be after reprising his Goblin role in No Way Home. Fantastic

  • @_darth_702
    @_darth_702 Před 2 lety +48

    Dude I just wanna say, I absolutely loved this video. I really liked how at the end I was expecting you to do some sort of sponsor thing with the teeth subject but you just added it as a fun fact. Love that

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +3

      Thank you so much! Haha, honestly I had no idea about the end. The teeth stuff didn’t really fit anywhere else, but I really wanted to mention it. So I was like, psh, I’m just gonna tack it on. Forget organic transitions. So, I’m just glad you kept watching through that part.

  • @Eralen00
    @Eralen00 Před rokem +2

    There was so much creativity and passion put into the Raimi movies, from the performances to the effects team and everyone else. I've tried watching these other MCU movies but they feel like something else. Sure the Raimi movies can be cheesy at times but they felt so much more authentic than these new marvel movies nowadays. This was a risky move. Something new and unconventional. These new ones feel like they're just betting on the "safe path" once they saw how lucrative these types of movies are

  • @Hayden-tx7jh
    @Hayden-tx7jh Před rokem +4

    i know he mentions it, but his theatre training is highly experimental - you can look up his work with the Wooster Group to get a very strong understanding of where the need to do the “physical stuff” he mentions, along with his swing-for-the-fucking-fences delivery, comes from. huge admirer of his career and his artistic ambitions

  • @sludders
    @sludders Před 2 lety +18

    That man’s just unmatched.

  • @0That_Guy0
    @0That_Guy0 Před 2 lety +48

    Awesome work on this - Defoe really brought to life my favourite villian of all SpiderMan movies!

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +1

      Thank you! Yeah.. dude is a beast. Do you have a favorite Spider-Man movie?

    • @0That_Guy0
      @0That_Guy0 Před 2 lety +4

      @@CinemaStix This would be the one!
      Only ever saw the first Garfield movie, same with Holland's.
      Don't think either of them were bad, but to me they don't hold up against Maguire's Spider-Man of 2002. Seeing as I saw the 2002 one multiple times as a kid, and can appreciate the acting and other aspects of the movie even more now as an adult; it has only improved in my eyes. Love that movie, both Maguire and Defoe were brilliant!

  • @EnderShard
    @EnderShard Před rokem +3

    This is so tightly edited with the clips I love it

  • @cliffordfernandez3524
    @cliffordfernandez3524 Před rokem +2

    He’s one of the best actors of this era

  • @bigchief5023
    @bigchief5023 Před 2 lety +5

    Deacon Frost was the first legit marvel villain on the big screen.

  • @stew2946
    @stew2946 Před 2 lety +54

    Genuinely curious, what do you think separates Defoes performance from Ledgers. Personally I think he did as good as Ledger

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +25

      I think context and tone make the two very difficult to compare. But I would definitely admit that they both have each their all. That just meant different things to each of them. Both are pitch perfect. Why I feel Ledger stands out from most other villains in movies is how transformative his portrayal was. I think Dafoe was a great choice for Goblin, naturally and intuitively. But I think Ledger defies nature and intuition to mold a character in unexpected ways.
      Just IMO :)
      -Danny

  • @convoludedduded5086
    @convoludedduded5086 Před rokem +1

    Amazing vid

  • @cherrybombcoffee
    @cherrybombcoffee Před 9 měsíci

    Leaving the caps off in the mirror scene is so neat and I never noticed. Instant classic

  • @unknownprimal7106
    @unknownprimal7106 Před 2 lety +65

    Amazing editing and commentary! had me smiling throughout the whole video :)

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +2

      Thank you!! Haha, hard not to when you’re watching Dafoe doing his thing.

  • @razahyder8541
    @razahyder8541 Před 2 lety +120

    Absolutely love the style of your videos!! Very unique and feels like a little documentary!

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +6

      Thank you, sincerely! This one especially felt a little experimental as I was putting it together, so I’m glad to hear it paid off. Got something new coming tomorrow :)

  • @CapperCritic
    @CapperCritic Před rokem +1

    Im 23. And I remember when I first saw the movie as a kid. Every actor’s/actresses face in this movie, even if I only knew from this movie, have nostalgic faces and roles I haven’t forgotten. That’s some good nostalgia and acting.

  • @r3dout691
    @r3dout691 Před rokem +1

    good vid - subscribed

  • @benedictBFlint
    @benedictBFlint Před 2 lety +14

    Love how no way home did do much work and appreciation to the green goblin

  • @syweb2
    @syweb2 Před 2 lety +8

    Acting as these over-the-top villains and in these expressive scenes sounds like a blast, but this video puts into perspective how much effort goes into all of the background stuff and getting prepared for it.

  • @DatStapleBoi
    @DatStapleBoi Před rokem +4

    Willem Dafoe is such a great actor. You could tell he really cared about playing Green Goblin to his fullest potential and wasnt just looking for a paycheck

  • @dallasjackson7881
    @dallasjackson7881 Před rokem

    Great video.

  • @UnknownAlien475
    @UnknownAlien475 Před 2 lety +7

    Willem Dafoe's performance as Green Goblin was legendary.

  • @Crow_Rising
    @Crow_Rising Před 2 lety +8

    It's always super cool seeing the real-world background for how a character ended up the way they are presented on the big screen. The casting battles, the actor's thought processes, why they presented certain scenes the way they did, etc. It's like getting a glimpse into the bigger picture of what makes the artform art to begin with, and why it ends up being art at all.

  • @Literal32
    @Literal32 Před rokem

    I will always be thankful for this role putting Dafoe on my watch list. It's been a treat to see the work he has done before and after this. 🤘🏻

  • @aidenessex4577
    @aidenessex4577 Před rokem +2

    It's strange, I feel a sort of retrospective anxiety and simultaneously an immense relief upon learning that Willem Dafoe had to fight for the role. Raimi's Spider-Man is the very first movie I ever saw in theaters at just 1 year old. Ever since then, it's remained my very favorite film series of all time. Easily more impactful for me than ANY other media. I've seen them all a million times, and I'm somehow lucky enough to have been born just in time to witness each one's release, and the hype surrounding them, all during my formative years. The composition of every scene, the delivery of every line of dialogue, they're distinctly and permanently burned into my brain. And Dafoe's performance was so perfect. The thought that it more easily could have been Nicolas Cage or anyone else in his place... it feels like a bizarre perversion of what I now consider to be a timeless, classic, revolutionary masterpiece, created exactly as it was meant to be. As if the universe willed it the very moment of its birth. I can't imagine a world without Raimi's Spider-Man, or without Dafoe's Goblin. I don't want to. They made me who I am.

  • @jimbeam2299
    @jimbeam2299 Před 2 lety +9

    Raimi trilogy had such good casting. Just perfect

  • @t-god2439
    @t-god2439 Před 2 lety +6

    That mirror scene is one of the craziest scenes I have ever seen in a super hero movie I don’t any other superhero movie has had a scene like that

    • @CinemaStix
      @CinemaStix  Před 2 lety +1

      Just brilliant.

    • @waynejamel6703
      @waynejamel6703 Před 2 lety +1

      The acting is so good you think its special effects

    • @t-god2439
      @t-god2439 Před 2 lety

      @@waynejamel6703 exactly when I first saw that scene as a kid I was tripped the hell out

  • @CalebRuiz
    @CalebRuiz Před 2 lety +2

    Dafoe is such a gem

  • @spamsfilms
    @spamsfilms Před rokem

    My goodness, that detail on the teeth, I’ve never heard that before and it’s right there plain as day

  • @zez_gval
    @zez_gval Před 2 lety +13

    I can't even imagine what a loss it would be if they casted someone else. That movie wouldn't work without Willem and he probably wouldn't be so popular and beloved today if it wasn't for the Green Goblin.
    But the best thing is that you can tell he really loves acting and is always having a lot of fun on set.