Honda NSC50 Vision Service. Engine oil & filter. Valve adjustment. Spark plug. Brake fluids.
Vložit
- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- How to do a full service on a Honda NSC 50 Vision 4 stroke and similar scooters / mopeds, see chapters below. The 110 cc version of the Honda Vision is to a large extent of the same design. Fluids are replaced in the same way and the fluid volumes and types are the same.
Link to drive belt replacement: • HOW TO REPLACE A SCOOT...
Link to front brake pads replacement: • REPLACING FRONT BRAKE ...
Link to rear wheel removal: • HOW TO REMOVE A SCOOTE...
Link to fork oil and seal replacement: • HOW TO REPLACE A FORK ...
Where not stated otherwise, 4 000 km service intervals apply for this scooter.
This little engine has a timing chain and accordingly no timing belt that would need replacement. A timing chain should need no service as long as the engine oil is changed as recommended. (And the design as such is free of flaws.)
Content:
1:30 Which oil to use? Honda recommends motor cycle oil according to JASO T 903 class MB, 10W-30. All Honda dealers I've talked to use MA or MA2 10W-40 instead, still according to the same JASO standard. I choose to use a fully synthetic oil of highest quality and meeting a JASO T 903 MA2 standard.
3:00 Transmission oil change. Since a motorcycle oil also lubricates the motorcycles transmission, I was advised to use the same oil in the transmission / final drive. Volume is around 0.15 liters. Keep bike level and fill until the filling hole floods.
5:45 Brake fluid change / bleeding. I used a DOT 5.1 brake fluid that I use in most of my cars. It is stated to be mixable with DOT 3 or 4 that Honda recommends. Replace the oil every second year.
15:00 Spark plug gap should be between 0.8 and 0.9 mm. If the gap is over 0.9 mm, tap the side electrode gently so the gap decreases. Tighten the plug by turning it only 1/8 of a turn after contact.
A new plug for the NSC50, if being the recommended NGK CR7HSA-9, should be tightened 1 turn after contact, (1/2 turn for the NSC110 with NGK plug) then released and tightened as a used plug.
The NSC110 is recommended to use NGK CPR8EA-9 for normal use. For long term high speed use the NSC110 is recommended to use NGK CPR9EA-9 instead.
19:00 Valve clearance. Both valves should on a cold (below +35 deg C) engine be between 0.18 and 0.22 mm. If adjustment is needed, the nut tightening torque should be 10 Nm.
The engine can be turned manually after either removing the fan cover or the belt cover.
26:30 and 33:30 Air filter and crank case "ventilation" tube. The air filter only needs replacement every 16 000 km. It should not be cleaned using high pressure air. Larger dirt particles should only be blown away gently, never force anything to go through the filter.
The crank case ventilation tube should be kept clean so one can see that there is no water collected in it. If water stands in the tube it should be removed as soon as possible.
31:00 Variator and transmission belt cover. The belt nor the rear mounted clutch have fixed service interval mileage. The belt should be inspected and replaced if it shows sign of high wear or cracks, or if drive and clutch slip is not normal. If he drive belt is narrower than 18 mm, it should be replaced. Here is a video of how to do that (same link as above)
• HOW TO REPLACE A SCOOT...
34:45 Front / head light unit. This part covers the right hand brake fluid container.
36:36 Front cover. This part covers the left hand brake fluid container and the 12 V battery.
39:00 Rear view mirrors.
39:30 Engine service cover.
40:40 Saddle / seat unit and fuel tank cover.
42:50 Luggage holder.
43:20 Engine oil and oil filter / strainer.
Replace engine oil yearly even if not reaching the 4000 km service interval limit.
As can be seen this engine has no proper paper filter, only a metal strainer. Like that it is extra important not to neglect the oil service intervals.
Oil volume. 0.8 liter when cleaning the "filter". 0.7 if only the oil is replaced.
Oil plug tightening torque, 24 Nm. A new washer is recommended to be used.
Oil filter cover tightening torque, 20 Nm.
Hoojies Garage
( Honda Spacy is the name of Honda Vision on some markets)
Best Video i habe ever seen about Scooter inspection. ❤❤❤
Good job , that's the way to keep your bike last many years without big issues 👍
Just did Liverpool to London in 1 day on a Honda 50cc great engine
Also check the vario rollers weights, if you want a bit higher top speed use a; Polini Variator 241.698
Tack för en informativ video. Jag byter olja och rengör filter idag!👍
Thanks for the video Hoogies. I just bought a new vision and must say after watching this I wish I had. chosen a much simpler Honda CT125. So many screws, clips and plastic cladding one must remove just to get access to the basics.
Excellent video. I enjoy your attention to detail and thorough approach.
Thank you very much ! I saved hundreds of euros with your tutorials.
Good video! Im having trubble getting air in my tires… Nevere seen a vaule like this.
In indonesia, we call it Honda Spacy 110cc carb.
And we made some custom variator pulley to get awesome top speed. Can till' 120km/h with full stock engine.
120 km/h :-) good speed for such a small engine. Here in Europe both the 50 and the 110 cc versions are sold (both with fuel injection). The 50cc version is fairly popular mainly for "kids" or others that for some reason doesn´t want to go through the effort of a higher level driving license. The 110cc is mainly used for low cost commuting, or as a camping bike (put in the trunk of a motor home).
@@hoojiesgarage1542 Are there many Honda Visions in Europe?. Here we use it for everyday. like camping and going to the office. sometimes requires a high top speed because in Indonesia many roads have a minimum speed limit. Although it takes a very long time to reach top speed.
@@hoojiesgarage1542 czcams.com/video/-ZsAmkVggWM/video.html
If u want to see our custom variator pulley for honda vision, honda vario or honda beat.
@@fahriardians Watched the video now, interesting. Good work and good luck!
Which brand variator do you use to get 120km/h?
This video is so cool. Thank you very much. Have you considered installing an open source ecu? You could then have the scooter automatically throttle to 45 km/h with a command or on restart etc, and it would be great to be rid of rev limiter
Hi Berry. Not really, close to 60 km/h feels just fine for this bike. But of course I am curious. Who makes such an ECU for the NSC50?
@@hoojiesgarage1542 Malossi does. they provide special kit which includes 85cc cilinder with piston (just wider, fits on perfectly), ECU which rises rpm limiter from 8k to 10k, wider exhaust pipe and Malossi multivar 2000. All this together makes this scooter to achive 79km/h measured with gps.
Tack för en jättebra video för mig som också har en vision! Nu har jag låst in nyckeln i sätet, har du nåt bra knep för att få upp sitsen utan nyckel? Verkar vara svårt att komma åt skruvarna för att lossa chassit bak utan att öppna sitsen
Key locked in under the seat? That's a tricky one. Life without a spare key is risky. You need to break or destroy something to get in there. I would try to peel off the "saddle skin" by trying to get the small clamps at the inner edge to come loose. If you succeed with that, then try cutting off the foam in a way so that you can glue it back later. When you find the upper area of the metal "striker", grind that away. Like this you should be able to get the seat to unfold. And then you have quite a bit of work to rebuild it. Good luck!
Nice job!
15:00 Spark Plug. Hi, I am reading WERKSTATT-HANDBUCH for NSC50WH '12' , and it recommends 16 N.M for tightening spark plug. If someone has the service manual in English, or even knows where its for sale, please share it.
Hello! Excellent video! Why did you adjust the valves after so little bit of use? I have used my nsc50r daily for about 5 years and it touched 90 000km some days ago. Never touched the valves. I have changed engineoil every 4000km and I have used mobile 1 0w-40. I change sparkplug, transmissionoil, belt, brakefluid and cleaned the airfilter every 20 000km. Havent done anything else with it...
Have a good day!
Hi. Thanks! Interesting to hear from you. 90 000 km! Very good. Well, I just checked the valves, since they were fine I did not adjust them, I just tried to explain a bit on how to do it if needed. Your experience indicates that the engine is quite robust then, good luck with your bike!
Świetny skuterek mam taki sam przy wariatorze polini prędkość maksymalna to 60km
Hej. Riktigt bra video. Vissa säger att det ska vara en helt annan olja i slutväxeln ? Typ 80w-90 ? Stämmer inte det ?
To my understanding you can either use a gear oil for scooters, or a motorcycle oil (that also is used for both transmissions and engines). I would say that the most important is that there is oil at all back there :-) This is quite a low power machine and the load on the gear is modest, to say the least. Then it is also important that no dirt enters the filling hole when doing the service.
Do you have workshop/service manual? Or do you know where to find one?
Hi Roger. No, I have no work shop manual. The only documents I have is regarding the valve clearance adjustment that I got from a Honda workshop/dealer, and the owners manual.
@@hoojiesgarage1542ok thank you. Is it possible for you to send that document? And the spec for different oils, brakeoil, engineoil and transmissionoil?
In the info-text to this video I have written all those specs.
This nut of rocker arm is usually 9mm,like in all japanese rollers,am i right or not.
Good question. It looked like 10 to me and I didn't have to change the clearance so I can not say for sure. I will not take the scooter apart just to check but you made me curious. I have a special tool for nut and screw rocker arm work that I think comes from Honda (908-3230000). Just measured the hexagonal area and it is. . . 10 mm.
Salut
Je dois changer le roulement aiguille arrière car il fait un bruit d'enfer ,pensez vous qu'il faille un extracteur pour sortir le vieux.
Merci
Bonjour. Sorry for not speaking French, hope a translator will work. Which needle/roller bearing is that you need to replace? The one that carries the rear wheel or the one in the rear variator? Regardless of which I have not had to replace any of those, I think consulting your nearest scooter workshop will give you a better reply. Please feel free to share their comment here, could be interesting to read their comments.
Sincerement
Thank you for a informational video, but 1 question. What type of oil did you use? I have the same bike btw.
I used 5w-40
Hi. The can is the bin. It was a fully synthetic oil fulfilling the applicable Jaso standard. But not class MB it was MA2 instead. The Honda dealers I talked use MA or MA2 (only a factor for wet clutched bikes). Viscosity was 5W-40 or 10W-40.
Thank you!
Question: For spark plug CPR9EA-9, is it ok?
That spark plug is longer, it might even hit the piston! I would advise you to use the correct spark plug instead.
Добрий вечір. Скажіть будь ласка, через який проміжок часу потрібно замінювати трансмісійне масло?
Good evening. The transmission oil is by Honda recommended to be replaced every second year. But, since there will remain 0.2 liters of motorcycle engine oil when doing the yearly or 4000 km engine oil service, then I typically use that oil in the transmission. If the engine oil is for motorcycles with integrated transmission.
عندي دراجه هوندا ديو ١١٠ اعتقد نفس هاذه الدراجه
Hello, I have a vision 110 and was curious what oil you used in the transmission?
Hi
A high quality 4 stroke motorcycle engine and transmission oil was used in the transmission. There are special small "tubes" of scooter transmission oils for sale at various shops. They are handy to use since they have a pointed end that easily enters the small M6 filling hole.
But, as I talked to a Honda-dealer they said that I could just as well use the 0,15 - 0,2 liters of the engine oil that will remain after having replaced the oil in the NSC50 engine. Since that oil is for motorcycle transmissions too, they said it was perfectly fine to do so. Since I have a suitable little pump that easily enters the hole, I decided to follow their advice.
Hi do you think the valve clearance procedure is same for the 110cc Vision?
Most likely yes, especially if everything looks the same. I have never worked on the 110cc engine but I wouldn´t be surprised if even the clearance of 0,18 to 0,22 mm is the same. Ask your nearest Honda dealer, hope yours is as helpful as mine.
What oil use for transmision ? Same than the engine ? Some dealers say me classic 85w oil, and others same than motor.
For motor i used motul 7100 5w30. Can this be used for transmission ? Thanks from spain.
Holá Miguel. Typically motorcycle engine oil is also a transmission oil, since motorcycle engines and transmissions uaually share the same oil. My local Honda dealer advised me that the 0,2 liters of oil that will remain after the engine has been filled up, can be used in the transmission. At least if a high quality motorcycle engine oil is used of the grade that is recommended.
@@hoojiesgarage1542 thanks!! Sorry again. You use MA or MB ? I see in oil adviser of motul that for transmision, only recommends MB for transmission, but, i use 7100 for motor, thats is MA2. Then, i can’t use this same oil for transmission true ?
The MA, MA1, MA2 and MB classes relates to wet clutches and the friction they need. This is irrelevant for the NSC50 since it has a dry clutch (sitting in the rear part of the belt transmission). At least my local Honda dealer finds this irrelevant for the NSC50.
¿Cómo vas a poner el mismo aceite del motor a la caja de cambios? En el motor va un 5w30 normativa MB (baja viscosidad para embragues secos) No le pongas un MA, M1,M2 porque son para embragues mojados, no reducen la fricción como el MB y no ayudan al ahorro de combustible. Para la caja de cambios un 75w90. Saludos.
You are right, MB is typically recommended for motorcycle engines with dry clutches. However, none of the Honda dealers around here bother about that and they use some MA type oil in the scooters too, even the transmission.
Hello friend, what is the mileage of your scooter?
Hi. It has reached some 12 000 km. But it is a different one than the scooter in the video, that one has been sold and I bought an identical scooter that has a bit more wear and tear.
👍👏👍
Where is the serial number on the chassis ?
At the rear area of the "helmet bin", under the seat, there is a plastic lid. Poke that lid open and you will se the "VIN"-number on the frame.