This should have been discontinued... - M2 MacBook Pro
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Anthony's taking a look at the new M2 MacBook Pro to see if M2 can deliver increased performance and if we can figure out who this touch bar Mac is for.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Apple's box confusion
0:57 Unboxing and hardware impressions
2:18 Comparing to the 2020 MacBook Pro
2:37 Port overview
3:43 Sponsor - brand
4:37 What's the same?
6:13 Webcam/Microphone comparison
6:48 Speaker comparison - 2022 v 2020
7:20 Speaker comparison - 2022 13" vs 2021 14"
8:35 The big question
9:22 Can Mac Address explain the difference?
11:01 Cinebench benchmark drag race
12:16 Final thoughts
13:08 Outro - Věda a technologie
Apple and many other companies figured out a long time ago that allowing their customers to easily distinguish between new and old products is a bad idea because then they can't trick people into emptying their old stock.
Depends on the product. For the ones they want you to upgrade every year and for the "New generations" they want to make it as diffrent as posibile so there is that brag factor.
@@mihaidragnea9785 Apple doesn't use this philosophy for most of their products. Look at the Apple online shop. Apple sells like 3 generations of products at a time, why would they want to convince you that the old one is bad?
Tim Cook is one of the best manufacturing managers in the business. That’s why Apple has the lowest time-to-customer in the industry. Since Apple doesn't have much stock, the lockdown in China caused Apple’s recent lead time to increase dramatically.
So I don't think they are selling the old model just for stock clearance.
(Sorry for my poor English lol)
Actually, I think they does, why do you think they always launch newer iPhones with similar design but new colors?
You could argue because it give people more choices, but I personally thinks it just so people could distinguish the old ones and new ones.
@@CYKuo-yl9lg I tend to agree. That said, I think the reason for the M2 MBP is not stock clearance, but manufacturing inertia. Apple has a lot of manufacturers who can make the current MBP chassis and parts
Apple was able to get this device to customers much faster than the all-new M2 MBA, and are also likely selling the M2 chip at an increased profit margin with the MBP versus the M2 MBA. The current low-end MBP will likely be discontinued once initial costs of changing the MBA design have been paid off and supply lines free up a bit. The M1 MBA will also likely stick around for about the same time. That said, this is informed guessing at best, and Apple has surprised me before
My guess is they had a bunch of lower binned M2 chips. Run hotter and need that old chassis active cooling to get full M2 performance. Saving up the top tier chips for the new M2 Air
@@Sonu666 that isn't a response to this comment... It is plausible that they are using M2 chips that require extra cooling to hit the required performance and are therefore unsuitable for the M2 air and so are being put in a "new" MacBook Pro with active cooling
Gotta find a way to sucker people into paying full price for garbage hardware.
I think they just still must sell a lot of them
People still buy them like hot cakes. Apple doesn't care. It just the one who buy them is idiot.
@coolthingy the third yes that is literally the point. The guy I replied to said something irrelevant and since deleted their comment
I still don’t get why Apple bothers with the lower speed SSDs for their products. Just charge more for the base model. It’s not like they’re strangers to expensive electronics.
Also, nice pride watch band, Anthony.
Not everybody needs such high SSD speeds. Outside of benchmarks and edge cases it makes very minimal difference.
its a common marketing/sale practice to create a sub par version of a product to make the standart model seem more valuable and attractive
@@tim3172 It's a 'PRO' model dude.
@@tim3172 I don't think that's necessarily true. max tech -- hardly an apple hater -- made some pretty persuasive videos explaining why this is pretty detrimental to even pretty typical use cases. Especially compared to the m1 which was less expensive.
@@tim3172 no it actually makes a big diffrence and when you are paying more for that pro name You would expect to get more not less
I think they avoid yearly naming to give their products some sort of "mystical, timeless" air, even though it really just confuses more technically inclined users. That said, at least it keeps their resale value high for when you want to get the newest version, I suppose
Resale value is high because Apple OS doesn't work well on non-Apple devices.
But atleast a different model number would be nice
"timeless design"
- Gamer Nexus when talking about Dell desktops
Every new model needs recertification.
Use the old model chassis, you won't need to recertify it.
Apple must be short on money.
Honestly sad that people are basically more entice to resell their Apple devices than to keep using them since a new model comes out every year. “Made to last” before it is sold again💀.
I mean on one hand, for me, it’s nice to know that my 2020 intel MacBook Pro doesn’t already look dated
I already did when you got it. 😆
But it does though. Compared to the new air and 14 inch pro
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it
U can say what u want to ur self but intel macbook are trash now
I just prefer the Intel ones because x86 programs and rosetta blows
I do miss the touchbar on my M1 pro 14 inch I am surprised how much I missed it for music apps and also adjusting brush sizes in Affinity apps, it was so useful for preview and scrubbing for video. I Like Anthony's idea of the half height F keys with the touchbar.
I love how desperately Apple is trying to get rid of their stock of touchbar MacBook Pro 13s. 😂 they invested WAY too much in them.
That is all just nonsense dude. This is simply NOT how this world works anymore. Factories don't have like hundreds of thousands of components lying around that then get used in a future product to get rid of them. That is not how it works!
I thought the same but it seems like they have kept them around for too long to be just over stock. The 13 inch MacBook Pro is like the second most popular model. So I don’t really know what apple is doing…
Maybe it’s because a decent amount of people still want the Touch Bar so they just keep this thing around. I know most people at my job preferred the Touch Bar. Crazy I know.
I don’t know. If they wanted to get rid of the old design, wouldn’t it make more sense to put it in the cheapest possible product? Like they did with the regular iPad or iPhone SE. Discontinue M1 MacBook Air, discount M1 pro 13 to $999
@@officialANON001 I think it's cause it looks cooler, and not actually more functional tbh. If all I did on my computer was browse the web and watch movies it would be good but then i would probably just get the air.
A lot of ways to think about this, I see the reason that people still prefer M2 pro is because of the fans and touch bar, even you dont recognize M1 or M2 from the chassis, but you can definitely tell it is a 13 pro. People also purchasing 13pro because it is special, classic chassis, and they honestly dont care about 720p webcam, however the screen revolution is already awesome and very stable performance in a long run, most of people wouldnt even use macbooks as a speaker anyway, but its sound quality is fantastic, where 14 pro is even better, but Im pretty sure that nobody choose 13pro mainly considering the sound quality. For M1 13pro users, definitely not worth for the upgrade to M2 13pro, but for first Macbook users like me, Id for sure go with the M2 13pro for its uniqueness, and the classic thick chassis with fans is the way to go for long term usage, and I believe that was the main reason Apple had courage to use the same M1 13pro chassis for the M2.
Just bought the m2 13pro and its my first ever macbook! So the chassis isnt really "dated" for me as I haven't even experienced it before at all. I can see why everyone on youtube is recommending the m2 air over it for people who are already apple fans, or who want an update. But there are people like you and me who are the outliers who can buy this and still be satisfied.
They have warehouses full of the parts, or contracts on the books that need to be depleted. Apple is good at supply chain, they won't waste what they have/have committed.
If you have a lot of something bad, and you need to keep selling it despite people complaining about it, you're not good at it, lol
@@thunderarch5951 you sound like someone who expects things to magically be built and show up on your doorstep without the faintest idea how supply chain actually works.
That’s why they shouldn’t have released a new model. Just drop the price on the 13” pro
That explains iPhone SE 3
@@thunderarch5951 Spoken by someone who knows nothing about Demand Planning or SIOP.
The 13 inch MacBook Pro (M2) seems to just be a way for Apple to get rid of excess 13 inch chassis… because I doubt “real” professionals still want a touch bar and a smaller, lower refresh rate screen than the 14 inch MacBook Pro.
@@jordank195 fanboys.
@Nova just had to be homophobic for no reason huh
@@LockonKubi even fanboys should go with the air or straight to the 14. The 13 pro is redundant
@@jordank195 to create a youtube video about it
I mean, I find the touchbar pretty comfy
Yes, it's not the end of the world if it's missing, but for me it's a nice thing to have.
This combined with USB-C charging makes it still a good option in my eyes.
Also yes, I would've totally enjoyed a new design or a better screen if it kept at least the USB-C charging
I used to work in a staples back in high school and apple has for a long time made it incredibly difficult for anyone to distinguish which model is which. This is particularly annoying if you're a store that carries multiple models.
We had a few people come back to the store and return iPad models specifically for this reason lol---one of our team members handed them over the wrong year's iPad without knowing the difference.
EDIT:
I know that they've always included model numbers on the back of the packaging, but finding which model is which is surprisingly difficult. It's also not always in a standardized location, so it's very confusing. Really they should just work more on their packaging lol. It got so bad to the point that our electronics manager had to spend an afternoon developing an organization system for our backroom stock of them, and basically personally took over making sure they were in the right places so people would avoid handing out the wrong models.
It literally says model number at 0:43 seconds the labels on the left, Model number is it between the barcodes on the right half of The label. Immediately right of the text saying MacBook Pro 13 inch. You could zoom in if you like. Unfortunately this presenter is always an Apple hater and always exaggerating….. Even if some of it may be well-deserved for Apple’s BS it’s just annoying.
@@ultraret you know that Antony use iPhone and apple watches right? i wouldn't say he's an apple hater
@@ultraret Antony is not a hater, Apple is annoying af.
@@mustafazakiassagaf1757 he definitely presents himself in an appel hating way
@@ultraret you mean the one that says A2338 ? That refers to both the M1 and the M1 models. The "order number" and serial are the only unique identifiers, and the "order" is not listed on-device.
If they had called it the "MacBook SE" it would have
-Fully legitimised the decision to use old hardware
-Allowed them to keep it in the lineup for a quadrillion years if needed, without looking tacky
-Made sense relative to the iPhone naming scheme
-Cleverly and side-winkishly made reference to the Macintosh II/Macintosh SE market positioning. Almost too cleverly assuming the below dot point.
-Been expected to sell for at LEAST 30% less... Hell, potentially making the Air look like the bad value option in comparison.
Either way, I reckon if you cancelled the above idea partway through execution due to fears over revenues, it's probably fair to say this is more or less the exact product you'd get out of it.
There's nothing illegal about using old hardware. I'd buy a 2012 Mac Pro if they could stick an M1 in it and update the Mobo to current IO.
Perhaps the idea behind the M2 was to get the "I don't want to be an early adopter" folks to buy. Save money on the chassis and put in the "second gen" chip.
True, but they have always used chassis for multiple generations.
It’s also in the new air though, which is a new design. It’s just this specific MacBook ‘pro’ that doesn’t make sense.
@@Superdelphinus nothing about Apples products make any sense, ever :P
@@Superdelphinus new Air has garbage notch though. That alone is the sole reason I'm not even considering that device and I don't care how good they are at hiding it with interface adjustments.
I totally agree with that, its like the iPhone SE of Macs. Great chip in an old body. and the Touch Bar is like Touch ID on iPhone 8.
I do love the Touch Bar.. Some apps have convenient widgets. However, the best part is customizing the bar with better touch tools. I use it daily and absolutely love it on my pro m1 2020 :)
You guys really need to do a "meet the crew" series where all the members of LTT get interviewed so we can learn about them and they're history....like their past work experience and education. Anthony would make a fascinating start.
I think they did that on floatplane
Maybe a video about where they live. Kinda like MTV cribs. They should show us what street they live on, what days they're not home, that sort of thing.
@@pirojfmifhghek566 😬
@@pirojfmifhghek566 💀
@@pirojfmifhghek566 bruh
I love that brand, such a good brand name too. "brand", short and clear, perfect.
(you forgot to insert the brand name in the chapter for the sponsor, or the D, I don't know)
At this point I'm not sure if it's an error or them messing with dBrand, given the relationship they have with LTT
Which brand? D brand
@@HentaiNat Apple
For whatever reason, after looking at the updated Air/Pro designs, I decided that I still like the old Pro design and think the Touch Bar is kind of cool, so I bought the 2022 Pro to replace my 2013 Pro, and upgraded to a 512 h/d, with a reasonable discount. I paid about the same for the new one as I did for the 2013 model which has served me well minus screen-gate.
I love how apple fans have legit never forgotten about mag safe. Keep the hope alive
I am not a fan of Apple by any means, but I would agree that magsafe is the best. Like, its a proprietary charger done right. There's a reason Volta has been able to make a fortune off their chargers
MagSafe is quite annoying for all the times it disconnects accidentally. But it's worth it for all the times it saves your laptop's life. I held out years upgrading my MacBook until they finally brought it back.
Isn't an Apple patent the reason why other laptop manufacturers can't make mag safe charger ports? If so, then god damn, the least that they could do is actually use it. I wish that my laptop had that.
@@vladimir_k_bestplayerna1217 Apple and Microsoft have patented the hell of the magnetic connector designs. It's almost impossible to make another connector like that now + none license the tech anyway
MagSafe was one of Apple's most useful innovations. I couldn't believe when I learned that they got rid of it for a while.
Got the M1 Air base model 3months ago for under 1000€ and monitoring memory swap (not using chrome) this is by far still the best deal if the M2 Air should have the same single 256GB memory.
I suspect the Air is delayed due to NAND shortages, one of Apple's suppliers was off-line for a while.
How is the memory doing? Has it written much data yet?
The musty smell is real! At least at europe, I’ve experienced that few with few laptops and chargers within 3 years
WellI think the M2 MBP is here due to the price raise of M2 MB Air. In some markets a M2 MBP is even cheaper than M2 MBA at the same spec, which makes it more compelling than the air. You do lose the magsafe, but also get a cooler machine and longer battery life in return, which is fair trade.
“If it shoots out of your hand, it’s not Dbrand” is what Anthony should have said lol.
LOL!!!
@@bartt7425 but the one he was using was dbrand just a slick one so it wouldnt make sense
I had one of these m2 13” for about 2 days… as I was desperate for a laptop and my 2019 MacBook Pro is in apple care repair center for probably forever. As they don’t have the parts to fix it. I also just found the 14” m1 max, maxed out and it’s great. 13” got sent back real fast.
I bought an M1 Air at launch a couple of years back. Being base was not a problem as I was doing mostly light office work with it, the portability was good when I travelled and the thing edge was comfortable to use. That being said, I just bought an M2 MacBook Pro, yes the Touch Bar for me makes a huge difference, the 0.3 screen difference from the m2 air was not a deal breaker as its mostly use to relocate the app menu on the top. M2 Air is thinner but I find the Touch Bar quite useful and to be was a deal breaker, the cooling system is a littler better when playing games or compigin vids. I had the option to purchase the base 14' but I severely disliked the squared design, the thickness and weight were also drawbacks as I travel constantly and the extra space taken and extra weight were an inconvenience. Overall there are still a lot of space in the market for the MacBook 13 pro,
I feel like having Anthony on Mac stuff is like having Davinci unbox a wheel.
This has got to be the sassiest Anthony I've ever seen
I think the main reason they're still continuing to sell a cheaper MacBook Pro despite a lot of people's insistence that 'MacBook Pro' shouldn't be anything other than a high-end, actual pro product, is that the 'Pro' moniker sells MBPs to a lot of people. Ever since they rebranded the aluminum 13" MacBook to 'MacBook Pro' in 2009 they've been doing this. Close to that $1300 price point, a lot of people are looking for something that is more than a MacBook Air, but not as expensive as the "real" MacBook Pros, and this model is there to fill that gap. But, if they're going to keep this cheaper and smaller MacBook Pro model around, I just hope they carry it to the new modern 14" MBP design as soon as possible.
In the past, the way they differentiated the cheaper MBP to the high-end model and the way they kept the BoM cost of that model down, is by giving the cheaper model a slightly worsse screen, a little bit lesser speakers, 1 fan instead of 2 fans and *no* side vents for extra cooling capacity, and therefore a slightly lower power processor from Intel, and less ports. In that same way, they could take the 14" MacBook Pro, give it 4 speakers instead of 6 (like the new MacBook Air), give it M2 (which is already super powerful for a lot of people, and is a very good sweet spot for lower-end MacBooks) instead of M2 Pro/Max, take away the side vent cutouts, give it only one of the new quieter and more efficient fans of the 14" instead of 2, give it a 'Liquid Retina' display of the same size at 60Hz instead of the 'Liquid Retina XDR' HDR miniLED VRR panel of the higher-end 14", and you got the perfect cut-down MacBook Pro in your hands.
Apple could make the low-end MacBook Pro a great value computer if they wanted to, and I hope they do and they do it as soon as possible, and this 13" MBP with Touch Bar will be the last one. Especially being able to get that huge 70WHr battery of the 14" with an M2 instead of M2 Pro/Max would give it incredible battery life, perhaps getting closer to 30 hours of video playback. And I doubt it would cut into the sales of the higher-end model more than the current 13" MBP does, as the 14" would still have the selling points of having a 2-4x faster processor, a 120Hz variable refresh HDR display, and higher dynamic range speakers.
Hey Anthony, I'm not sure whether it'd more appropriate for this channel or on the main LTT one, but could you do a video on the progress Asahi Linux has made with getting things working on the M1? I've looked into it myself and it seems pretty promising, but I think your expertise here would be cool to see in a video.
I dunno if it's really appropriate for any of their channels (other than maybe brief updates on TechLinked) until it has most things working including GPU acceleration.
8:11 Actually, the 14" MacBook Pro is thinner, if we don't take into account the larger rubber feet. The 14" MBP is only volumetrically larger, as its shape is uniform across the board, whereas the 13" tapers off towards the edges.
I dont mind apple trying to clear out their stock, but put "M2" on the freaking box.
I mean, real reason:
M2 13" has a fan and longer battery life.
I have the M1 Pro 13", but these are my thoughts:
1) I can take it on the road and don't have to charge it as soon as I would any other laptop (apart from the M2 13").
2) I can play games on my lap, using a custom, but quiet, fan setting, and it never gets warm to the touch.
3) The only function keys I ever use are brightness and sound, both of which work great on the touchbar.
4) You can make use of the extra GPU power on the M1 and M2 Pro 13", whereas you cannot on the Air.
I also have an M1 Max 16", which I somewhat regret purchasing. Excellent machine, but I tend to use my MSI GE67HX for similar workloads.
I honestly think every mainstream reviewer missed the mark on the M2 Pro 13. I find it almost flawless. I even like the rounded shape when its on my lap, and the black bezels when consuming media.
Hello, I have M2 touchbar MacBook Pro, but do you think to upgrade 14” mbp, does it worth? (I mainly watch movie and listen music)? Thank you
I really love the Touchbar , it is somewhat useful in Photoshop , but once you get used to keyboard shortcuts the touchbar is actually useless. I do find it quite comfortable to be able to control Spotify and have my own shortcuts. I think Touchbar is really useful if you actually customise it to suit you. Which is something many people here probably haven’t tried.
I've found that it's a bit less stressful to memorize the ubiquitous shortcuts. I want to be able to hop from one computer to the next knowing how everything ticks, without having to go all-out and customize my keyboard just to avoid feeling irritated.
@@pirojfmifhghek566 hey same here. The only place that doesn't work out the box is Linux as you would need something like wine or crossover (same group) to have Photoshop on it.
Anthony's Sponsor Highlight had me in stitches
The Macbook "Pro" 13 was never a Pro product, it has the same hardware as a Macbook Air but in a bigger chassis and more expensive. It's not worth it.
If they wanted to get rid of their old touchbar chassis they could have used the M1 Pro chip and charge USD150.00 less than the 14 inch Macbook Pro. That could have been a winner!
It doesn't have the same hardware; bigger battery, different keyboard, more microphones. Whether it's a pro product is obviously subjective.
It is a Pro product for the fact alone that it does have a fan
It was probably the same in other videos, but I didn't notice till this video that right after unboxing and powering up the machine, it has a LTT account, so they had already checked it out and were unboxing it again for the video.
the one thing no one talks about is the 13" touch bar pro M2 has way better keyboard travel than all of the airs (outside of the touch bar). i compared it to multiple M1 airs and M2 airs and the keyboards on those feel so flimsy (yes, even though they still have some travel), but on the 13" touch bar pro M2, dare i say, the travel feels even better than the 14"/16". it feels so chunky and satisfying
i wish there wasn't the touch bar but the rest of the keys feel so good on it. build quality is also way better compared to the M2 air which felt like i was gonna break it constantly, and IMO it honestly feels more premium than the 14" pro which has a really hollow feel to the chassis despite being really heavy
also, hot take, the screen on this is way better than mini-LED, it actually has good response times and no blooming, the colors also look more vibrant/uniform to my eyes and text is WAY easier to read on the 13" touch bar MBP compared to the 14" mini-LED MBPs
(on mini-LED, local dimming is so annoying for non-video use, it makes it look like text and icons are glowing and even disabling HDR doesn't turn local dimming off)
yes, touch bar MBP only has 60hz but black levels are awesome for IPS and there is basically no backlight bleed
it also has a better screen than M1 air since that one had really meh black levels and washed out looking whites. a lot of people think M1 air and touch bar MBP have the "same" panel (because they are both IPS) but they look very different. yes, true tone was off.
M1 air had typical "bad IPS black levels", but the touch bar pro M2 actually surprised me with how deep the blacks are. as for the M2 air, backlight also felt weird IMO - colors looked a bit off on it and I noticed RGB fringing/"rainbowy effect". so the touch bar MBP wins :)
the 13" touch bar pro M2 feels like apple's biggest secret because it actually does a lot of things all-around better in the long run, despite its easy to point out flaws
you can also get refurbished with actually good specs for a pretty reasonable price right now, this weird little laptop makes a lot more sense now than it did when it released
Almost no one should buy the 13” pro. If you wouldn’t upgrade the system memory then just stick with the air. If you do need the upgraded RAM, then just get the 14” pro. It’s not that much more expensive and is completely worth it.
YES THEY SMELL THANK YOU! I had to replace my type c cable for my MacBook Pro recently. Got one from Amazon and it smelled awful to me. Like mold almost. I could smell it from sever feet away as well. Returned and got another one. Also smelled. Went to target to get one instead and it smelled as well so I gave up. My best friend didn’t notice an issue. Thought I was crazy.
did you try several arms or fingers away? or other body parts? that might help.
You returned it just because of its smell?!Just air it out for some time and you will be set.
@@gigihanmandarin the first one also just didn’t work lol. it’s been a week and still smells btw. But less so. It will go away eventually I’m sure but the smell was really offensive to me so it was worth trying to exchange it.
That smell have been on so much from China the last 8 years or more. It smell like the warehouse were flooded with river water, mixed with cow shit and left the dry before it was sold through eBay.
@@gigihanmandarin I have returned so much from china the last 8 years, that I can not keep track on it. It is a foul smell that are impossible to distract from.
You can make your function keys default on settings. And you can even put a Do Not Disturb button on the Touch Bar. I thought that was really cool.
They're still not haptic - its nearly Impossible to hit them without looking. Its quite an issue for programming where you press F8 to step throgh a program line by line and F7 to enter into the statement and stuff like that...
You can press Fn to get your function keys on the TouchBar. I am a fan, though I didn't expect to be. I will miss it when I have to upgrade.
I am still lukewarm on the ARM Macs for two reasons: no windows bootcamp for games, and the notch.
When these are addressed, I think these will be much better value propositions
I know it sounds cliche, but honestly you stop seeing it after a while, like your brain gets selective blindness to it. Pair with a dark wallpaper and dark mode and it's pretty much invisible even if you're looking for it.
@@W1ldTangent I don't disbelieve you, but my brain can be a real stubborn asshole sometimes. Other people see a notch, I see a middle finger from the design team 😅
I thought "eugghh" when I first saw the notch. But now I have a MacBook with a notch, and honestly I don't even notice it. It just blends into the menubar. And if you black out the menubar (which is the default for full-screen windows anyway) the notch becomes completely invisible.
Even if bootcamp was available you still couldn't play most of the games on it because none of them are compatible with the arm architecture, and windows arm has a poor emulator for x86 apps
@@bastienx8 you’d be right if it was 2020
Windows on arm has gotten a lot better in x86 emulation and it also gained x64 emulation
Next time you do product comparisons could you put the year of the crab rave too
Just got an M1 Pro and I love it and love the Touch Bar, coming from a 2017 Pro that I loved too but the battery is gone so oh well.
On the topic of how Apple has a tendency to make it hard to differentiate between different generations (with naming and on boxes etc.). Yeah, I feel you. I still remember how irritating it was to try to figure out which tier, and generation, different MacBook were, when my brother looked for one a few years back!
Just to give an example, some stores, (more or less) hinted about which generation of MacBook it was, some hinted about which generation of Intel processor was used (and one or two, even the tier; they did like to specify the number of cores, though), and some gave the EAN/MPN digits (though I think there were a couple that might've but in a hard to find place).
Edit: I hit the post button by mistake, so I'll just add things that happen in the video after this point.
I don't know if it was just a fluke, or different parts of the song. But the 2020 version sounded better!
Edit two: corrected iMac to MacBook.
The Macbook Air is $100 less but has a worse GPU (8 vs 10), no active cooling, 10% smaller battery, half speed slower charger and a hideous notch. The Air has a better webcam and speakers and weighs 0.3 pounds less, but to me I would pick the one with a larger battery, faster charger and better sustained performance.
Exactly this
No one mentions that if you want 10 core gpu on air it becomes 200$ more than the pro
@@Juanguar No it's not. The 1499 version has a 512GB SSD. If you configure the 256 to have 10 cores, it is the same price as the pro. In fact configured the same way, they cost the same across the board. You get faster charging, newer design, larger screen, better camera and guess what you can charge it and still have two working ports. Not the case for the pro. Pro has only two advantages: cooling and battery. If you need sustained better performance where you will significantly benefit from more power, get the 14 inch. By the time you spec the 13 inch to be a decent spec with 16GB of RAM and 512GB SSD or above the gap is 300 at MSRP. And they can be had for 200 off MSRP at BestBuy already (the only US store I checked, maybe better deals are available somewhere). So just pay 100 extra and get the 14 inch that will be faster. The battery? I guess. But at the end of the day with the Air having fast charging I'd expect you to be able to charge it up pretty quick throughout the day and get more juice from it.
@@Georgekartveli Not if my budget is under $1500. I did not know about the $100 upgrade on the air to get the 10 core gpu and saw that for $20 more you can get the proper charger so that does help, but no active cooling, smaller battery and notch are still deal breakers for me. I absolutely hate the notch design on these laptops and would have rather they kept the 720p web cams (i rarely use it anyways).
The Air has a better display with 1 B colours
Please keep Anthony reviewing apple pc, I love to have somebody to hate it with us ..
I don't mean to disturb your hate boner but in case you weren't aware Anthony has been a big fan of most of the recent Macs.
I’m wondering if there is a problem with the side by side test. It appears like the laptop on the left might be on power although of course maybe the adapter is turned off…
I like the old chassis better than the new one, tbh. Its surface tapers off at the edge and looks like a pillow overall, which is something I still love about my 2012 MBP 😁
I seriously love the relationship between LTT and dbrand. It never gets old
And Anthony memeing on them everytime
well, the 13 inch m1 pro has been great for me, and for occasional lightroom and photoshop the fans do come handy more than one occasions. To me the extra performance come out of the max model only benefit people in the professional field who requires the extra gpu/cpu cores and storage space. The catch is in their use case, most would go for the much higher specs which cost significantly more than the speced out m1 pro models.
I got the base model 14 inch because I wanted 16gb of ram and 512 gb ssd, By the time I upgraded those features the leap in price to the 14" was small. The XDR display on the 14" alone is worth the difference not to mention it comes with the M1 Pro. I like that I can run some games on it, I play Tomb Raider and Firewatch on it.
@@erubielalanis6658 nice! personally I don’t play games on work laptops. For me though the 32gb ram with 2tb model makes more sense as no future upgradability in MacBooks. I have a powerful desktop, if mac is my only machine i would go this route. But everyone’s use case is different.
Like MKBHD said, Enterprise. Big companies were employees can choose between MBP 13" and some Dell/HP laptop. They usually only have a couple of approved models to choose from and it's a lenghty process to add/remove totally new models but switching to the direct successor is much faster and easier.
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I use an older (Intel) 13 inch pro for work where I travel, and small size and battery life are very important. 13 inch is easier to use on an airplane and I don't always have places to plug it in while on a layover.
I said it when the M1 came out, and I'll say it again : I wasn't interested in the M2 because I had the serious feeling it was gonna be a fail. You don't score something like the M1 twice, and pretty much all of its shortcomings have easy solutions... only one screen? Nope, since day 1, a powered TB to dual display port adapter is all you need. Not enough space for data? You can get a 1gp/s 500gb external NVME with a 20gb/s enclosure from Vantec (top stuff!) for a total of 115 CAD on a good Amazon day. I run my data 100% external and only use 90gb for OS and apps. It's blazing fast to say the least. I have close to 12 different USB peripherals connected to it every other day - OK : it's extreme, and I could fry an egg on my Call digit dongle, but I hadn't run into a failure os USB connection issue in about 6 months of everyday use! Sure a tower is better - and now I have one since the marked cooled down - but this was a legit pro desktop replacement for over a year for me as a pro AV tech!
Base config Macbook pro - just because I fancied the touch bar to play little pads on Logic Pro, and navigate my timeline otherwise, not necessary at all. Absolutely not interested in either a super-big thick laptop with no ethernet and even more power (that genuinely very very few people need in a laptop...) that will break my back, OR a botched-up 2dn take. Apple tried to fix what wasn't broken, and failed.
This is a weird comment, when the m1 came out you boldly express that the future m2 was already a failure? XD
Also... What do you mean they tried to fix what it ain't broke? They didn't try to fix a thing, they came out with s refresh chip, were you expecting them to introduce a brand new architecture only 2 years into the product so all companies would stop developing for the older one and brick all m1 in 3 years? Or that they didn't bother updating and keep the same chip for 7 years until they could do something revolutionary again while never pushing the current platform to the limit while at the same time staying behind the competition if they don't refresh?
It fascinates me that a refresh product that is better than the old one while not breaking the old one technology causes you trouble... There is 0 reason for you to upgrade to a m2 if you have an m1, but there is 0 reason for apple not to continue to improve their architecture... Are you saying its a failure because there is no need to upgrade a 2 year old computer already? Are you used to running your laptops that short of a time? My current daily its 6 years old and the previous one lasted me 8 years you don't go changing your laptop everytime there is a new processor your wait knowing the one you have will keep working
I don't understand your rant it almost feels like you are mad you have a previous version and are trying to convince yourself to not upgrade it xD
According to that logic all overweight people have broken backs.You're reaching. 5-6ibs isn't that heavy.
Didn’t read any of this random rant.
FINALLY! Someone points out you can drag the volume/brightness icon to instantly change the slider value on the Touch Bar
I also see so many people complaining about some of the buttons, like the siri shortcut, being useless. Except they don’t realise you can customise the touchbar. You can also set the function keys as default if you prefer that, tho they are still soft keys
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@@SmokedHam444 yeah it’s never not gonna be weird that they’re not physical buttons you can feel with your fingers
Personally I never used function keys so the idea of having this super flexible layout that changed with context and preference was still good, especially after they moved the escape key back to being physical
@@HaikuOezu Yeah agreed, I also like the touchbar functionality. I never use the actual Function key stuff like f1 f2 etc but sometimes it is nice to have some tactile feedback or adjust audio without looking. My main gripe is that it (still!!) tends to be quite buggy. The perfect but redundant scenario would be to have both keys and touchbar
Same Problem For Me I Love The Touch Bar For Some Things But I Don’t Wanna Lose The Function Keys Put The Touch Bar Above The Function Key That’s We Need If You Say You Can Have Only One I’ll Go With Function Keys But If You Give Both I’m More Happy
I have never ever used any Function keys on my Mac since I bought it 2 years ago. Got all my shortcuts I need on the Touch Bar and I love it.
Do people even know the Touch Bar is configurable in settings, and you can get your function keys on the bar by default ?
When I say this I wanna make it clear that for the 8ish months I used a Mac I absolutely hated it and sold it in lieu of Framework. That being said, I feel like part of the reason why someone might get an M2 instead of an M1 was because of, when the M1 came out, it was the first of its kind. Think of Ryzen 1000 or 12th gen Intel. Think of the first lineup of RTX cards. You had the early adopter's fee and was using a new and fairly untested platform with unknown bugs. When you're using your machine for work you don't want early adopter's issues creeping in. Sure you don't get the performance of M1 Pro or anything like that, but iirc Apple was never aiming to match M1 Pro or higher. They were planning on iterating on top of M1. That they did successfully. I think that's part of the issue a lot of reviewers have an issue handling: the long term viability of a brand new architecture and the teething issues that came with it. As someone who was an early adopter of Windows 11 when it came out, I had to switch off of Windows 11 because of stability issues (my laptop completely locked up on me in the middle of a final requiring me to restart and possibly start over). In that sense I would've gone with a dead-end Intel MacBook instead of an M1 for the sole reason it's been tried and true, even if it has some thermal issues plaguing it.
Yes, Apple Silicon is just at the start of its journey and def not for everyone at this stage of development. If you just need specific apps, like me, that have native support then the M1 Macs were great. At the time, late 2020, battery life twice the competition, no heat, no fan noise, fast and smooth. Intel has had to respond and the 11th and 12th gen have improved where they were when the M1 was released, and W11 is much better. The M2 is a M1+ due to the delay in 3nm, but I feel is better than the M1 in nearly all metrics.
I personally find the 13" M1 MacBook Pro and Air prettier than the newer models. I would go as far as saying they are/were peak Apple. Sleek and minimalistic. There's just something about this new dark plastic keyboard surface and "fat" design that I find aesthetically unpleasing. Just my taste, but maybe I'm not the only one.
Yep, hate the new design - just give us the M1 Max in the old 16 inch chassis and it will sell like hotcake.
Fugly hollow empty and like any other non apple model. Zero premium feel af!
I just realised the current tech reviewers aren’t Steve Jobs or Jony Ives standards… just specs and price . Just overly 2 dimensional thinking.
I agree
Anthony you are so entertaining and really like your reviews...definitely my go to source. Happy Canada Day and thank you! What kind of car does your aunt have? lol
Thank you very much for covering this! I'm torn between getting an M2 Macbook or a Flow Z13 to upgrade my old laptop. With them basically costing the same it's now down to the small, more subtle features for each that I'm looking for and you have delivered for one quite amazingly!
It really depends on if you're able (and willing) to adapt to the Apple ecosystem. If you do be ready for quite a few unexpected surprises (both positive and negative) :-)
@@dundee248 I can vouch for this. It all started with a MacBook and now without me realising I'm using an AirPod and iPhone. The connectivity is great and all, but yeah those surprises sneak up on you.
At first, I was a tad bit upset about having missed getting an M2 because I assumed it was better but I had already purchased my M1. Super glad I didn't get an M2 because my M1 has been GREAT.
Would you say it's still worth getting the M1 Macbook Pro (16inch) if there are rumours about the M2 coming in a few months?
@@Snoop_Dugg I have the 16 inch m1 and it’s the best laptop I’ve ever owned.. I’d still wait just in case though
Do keep in mind that the ssd is also slower compared to the old mbp m1.
such a apple thing, they create something extremely useful with m1, and then release the new version without checking if its better or not, which seems to be worse tbh
Even if it wasn’t id still just get the m1. Realistically most of us won’t see much of a difference
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@@somerandomchannel382 They also very often do this before a major update to the system to the next major update is just unbelievably better. I wouldn't be surprised if the next model had a different design to it. I said the exact same thing about the overheating Intel macs. Make a fake problem, release a proprietary solution, get praise. That's their MO.
already proven by real non biased non sensational reviewers that the speed doesnt actually matter in any task, any program, any settings, except for programs designed to test ssd speeds. Anyone with a brain knows two ssd's in RAID means it's faster but that probably means you'll load into Mac OS 0.1 seconds faster or loading a program 0.00001 seconds faster ☠ the reason real world performance is the same is because of heat. You will never have the cooling capacity to cool two ssd's in a laptop to run without down clocking. The ssd does not matter people. Its not the SSD the determines how fast programs or OS loads its what the OS and programs determine. Read a book pls
Just want to point out for Anthony, you can adjust the touch bar to always be the f row and holding fn will switch between f row and touch bar
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Love Anthony's reviews and comparsions 👍 👌
I usually love Anthony’s videos, but feel as though this was a bit pointless. When else have LTT ever done a full comparison review if a laptop and the same laptop with a spec bump? What was the point of comparing microphones, webcams and speakers in 2 essentially identical laptops? It has a faster processor. That is basically the only difference. And they are still selling this product for 2 reasons.
1. Because people still want them.
2. Because they have parts to use up.
I don’t know why Apple should get a hard time for making a computer that people want. Yes sure, people more technically literate would always go for either the air or the 14” Pro, but I know a million students/parents/grandparents who literally couldn’t care and want to buy a Pro because of the name and the history of MacBook Pro’s being great. I imagine that 90% of people buying these M2 Pros had a Pro of an older generation before.
There are plenty of reasons to give Apple crap over their decision making, but I don’t think this is one of them.
I personally appreciate the touchbar and dont mind many of the shortcomings of the old design.
System Preferences>Keyboard>TouchBar shows (Dropdown) Choose expanded control strip.
Then you can get the almost fuction key.
This was done on my Macboom Pro 16inch 2019
7:29 I literally exhaled air sharply through my nose at this difference
Loving the wristband :)
I love my Touch Bar. I hope they offer an M2 Max or M2 Pro version with a Touch Bar. I honestly never do any thing where I need my function keys that second for something that wasn’t already mapped to the Touch Bar.
I prefer the touch bar variant. I'm not even sure what the F1-12 keys do on macOS. Are there any programs using them? The only issue I have is that the touch bar often does not register the buttons I press.
@11:12 You had an open for an awesome pun 'comparing apples to apples'.
Tbh despite being older 720p webcam it still looks way better than many other laptops webcams in 2022.
For people like me, who still love the Touch Bar, this is the perfect upgrade. If you want the 14" MBP...just go buy that, since it's still on the shelf and still technically outperforms the M2.
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After purchasing, using for a week alongside my 2016 MBP; I had returned the 2022 M2 MBP. It was equal other than computing power while streaming. The speakers have a DEFINITE downgrade from 2016 which is SUPER sad. And the touchbar is very useless. There needs to be a touchbarless MBP.
Anthony, great video as always!
In Europe, the 16GB version of the 13 and 14" cost almost the same, so here I am scratching my head even more what the new 13" M2 MacBook Pro even exists....
That was the same with the M1 MB Pro 13, if you spec it 512GB/16GB it is only £250 short of the M1 MB Pro 14 with the same config. Not sure why this is important when it has always been that way. What Apple has in fact done is rather than run with the M1 (first version of Apple Silicon) for another year whilst they wait for 3nm, they have improved what did not work as well on their first go. Why people would complain about this or not want a much improved version seems almost agenda-driven? Anyway for the people that want to know there has been a lot of improvements, maybe not ones that fit on the box, but stuff that makes the M2 better than the M1 equivalent and def worth Apple doing this.
It exists purely as a psychological device to increase sales of the better (more expensive) models. Most manufacturers do it. If ever there's a device that you look at and go "I may as well get that one" you've been got.
I think the whole reason if the M2 MacBook Pro (I’ma call it M2 pro) was released was to essentially get rid of it once and for all, given the fact that the prices have risen the gap between the M1 pro chip models and the base air (M2) is a lot closer now, and for quite some time the M2 pro based laptops were starting to make less and less sense.
I think they intentionally (and hopefully) kneecapped the performance of the M2 pro to make the other products (M2 air and M1 pro/max) have a greater share and as a result more resources available for fewer products.
I’m praying for the M2 Air to not follow the pro but at this point it’s looking a lot like it
Hopefully they kneecapped it? That's such a bad take
@@xXlURMOMlXx picture it like this- why would they intentionally release the MacBook Pro in such a state, an old design, no or minor changes- it looks like a product to shift dead or old parts/stock.
I think they made the pro so bad to force people to move to more mainstream products-
1. A more expensive M1 pro MacBook Pro
2. A MacBook Air which is better in the majority of ways currently and is more mainstream.
If you think, the pro dosent make sense unless you are trying to get rid of old parts and cut off a lineup to reduce the spread of parts required.
How is it a bad take? Lack of actual criticism much?
@@user-gc6tv1bh1v i don't even like Macs but hoping they kneecap something is a.dumb take why would you hope that? It's obvious they want to get rid of old stock but reusing designs year after year is apples forte idk why anyone is suprised. Iphones have been basically the same for the past 3 generations. Even the most 2 recent iPhones use the same processor. Apple is good at maintaining a walled garden ecosystem and quality, but definitely not innovation. The most innovative thing they've done since the original iPhone is add a magnet to the back of their phones lol
@@xXlURMOMlXx I’m mainly going to focus on the “kneecapping” bit.
Out of the entire MacBook range the air is the most sold followed by the M1 Pro/Max MacBooks with the M2 pro dead last. They put 1 nand chips in the M2 pro MacBook along with the outdated design to shift off any old dead stock and to reserve the 2 nand Ssds for the Air. Why? Because the air is the most sold. By me saying kneecap I’m saying they intentionally didn’t put the best available components in it. Why? Don’t really know, but one reason could be the fact that there is a global chip shortage and 1 ssd is cheaper than 2 Ssd.
Regarding design, yeah apple isn’t revolutionary in that department at all, but I appreciate when they do change the design because when they do it’s good.
Plus how have other companies innovated in the laptop/phone space recently and have made it a mainstream product. Because from my point of view apple dosent do it because there is a high risk mid reward, and it being a company which is kinda lazy until there is something obvious that’s in their reach (ARM computer chips) they won’t do it.
I am waiting for Anthony's review of the MacBook Air 2022 edition...
I am thinking of buying M1 Pro Macbook 14'' base / 1TB variant... and I thought Macbook Air 2022 will be better... but things like the 256GB SSD issue which is reported by fellow CZcamsrs, M2's performance, etc are bothering me.
You know you can customise the touch bar right? Like if you want the function row by default you can, if you want a button to mute your mic you can. The main complaint is around tactile feel and software, not versatility
Thank you, Apple, for giving me no reason to upgrade my M1.
I approve of this new (old) direction.
Hope you screw up the M2 Max too, so I can happily buy the M1 Max disconted and not miss a thing.
Discounted? From where?
@@elith6930 When the M2 Max is released the M1 Max will be discounted. That's how things are.
What nonsense is this? The M2 is not "screwed". The chip itself is great.
But the point is Apple never planned on make people upgrade from the M1. Heck that is even why they're still selling the M1 MBA.
@@Raja995mh33 Allot of companies still sell their old products after a new one comes out...
I have a (14”) MacBook Pro and I don’t think I’ll need to upgrade again until m5 or 6, definitely not every year. I mainly use it for music production and it barely can be arsed to break a sweat at almost anything I throw at it, including some relatively heavy photoshop and da Vinci stuff. I still haven’t heard its fans lol. I’m not sure why you’d need an m2 pro if you already have an m1 pro - what is it pushing up against from a performance perspective?
Eight gigs of ram in what's supposed to be one of the most premium products on the market?
Wild.
Yeah damn my phone has more RAM than that.
It's not a product to do intensive tasks on, its a product you give your Grandma for christmas. 8gb of ram is completely fine.
@@demetter7936 you give your grandma a $1299 laptop as a gift? I'll be your grandma.
@@Jaymiecain1 Not personally but that's the market. Boomers.
@@demetter7936 I'm not broke by any means but for my mother(all my grandmothers have long since passed) in her early 70's I got her a Nokia T20 Android tablet as she is use to Android on her phone, and paired it with a Logitech K480 keyboard, it's been fantastic for $180, plus the $25 I paid for a used K480, so much so I just ordered myself a Nokia T20 Tablet to replace my old ONN tablet. I just don't see the point in paying Apple prices unless you are going to be doing serious work, as even a 1/2 decent specced Android tablet can handle the daily task that most people are doing, even light to medium loads of office work with Google Docs/Sheets/etc.. as I've done with my ONN 10.1in tablet with only 3GB of RAM.
Great review
Did anyone notice the MKBHD cushion at the top shelf of the cupboard in the corner?
I love my M1 MBP and love the look.
lmao
@@m-stat9 what’s funny?
20hr battery life is amazing, people forget the purpose of laptops is to use them away from power points, reviews should really emphasize this more cause it's such an overlooked part of the industry
im planning to buy 16 macbook pro m1 pro model.. but when the apple announced m2 chip it made me wonder whether i should wait for 16 macbook pro m1 pro model or just get these one thats available (m1 pro model).... any help is appreciated
I’d wait until they release the M2 chip MBP 16, if possible 👍🏼
Did you run your cinebench testing with only one unit on mains power???
I guess I’m one of the few who like the touchbar. Once they added the physical escape button it became perfect to me.
Not a fan of the new thiccbooks with raccoon face keyboards.
i also like the touchbar. i also liked the soft keys on my programmable calculator. and i use an elegato deck, it's their for productivity nerds.
Also I don't get the "but my function keys" argument everyone seems to use. Like, does nobody realize that pressing the "fn" key in the bottom left turns the touch bar into function keys? Or that there's a toggle in the settings to make it show function keys by default, and have the "fn" key show the regular touch bar controls? Similar to how most computers with actual function keys also map them to brightness, volume, media controls, etc. with the "fn" key.
I love my function keys as well but it's not like they're missing or anything, they're just in touch screen form (which allows for a wider range of functionality like offering a volume/brightness slider instead of up/down buttons). The biggest problem with the touch bar is that it was never supported. They introduced it then never bothered to improve upon it or expand its functionality/customizability aside from shrinking it to fit the escape key back in.
This M2 chip should have been called M1+ or S. Both Air and Pro are minor upgrades. We at least got new design for Air but that price jump isn't justified by anything we got this year. Really underwhelming.
Best ad segment to date Anthony!!!
I got a generation 3 ipad pro a couple of weeks ago ... the new generation 3 not the one from 2018. It is also part of the 5th generation I think. I second having some form of model number :-)
If you've got a design that works it never really becomes obsolete. I mean this in a general sense, not really about the MacBook here. The aesthetic of a device doesn't have to be redone with every release if it's abilities, both functional and aesthetic, were nailed the first time. What I'm saying is, our society seems to think that in order for something to be new and improved in the inside, it's has to look differently on the outside as well. Function ≠ cosmetics but I do understand where each are important. I can't recall the exact name for this concept, but the idea is perceived as cosmetic obsolescence.
I'm convinced Apple released this just to get rid of their unsold MBP chassis and touch bar.
And pair it with all the garbage chips that lost the silicon lottery.
@@pirojfmifhghek566 except not. You literally can't get the MBP M2 with the binned version. You ALWAYS get the 8-core CPU and 10-core GPU.
That is just not how this world works anymore. Factories don't have hunters if thousands of components lying around that they somehow have to use to get rid of them. Our modern world uses mostly a "just in time" production. Because its cheaper.
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Really? Tell me more about how everything coming off the apple silicon assembly line is always perfect.
@@pirojfmifhghek566 dude you dumb?
Requesting a test using Open Broadcaster Software (OBS) and LiveStream Studio 6 software on a Apple M2 processor with two 1080p or 4k cameras etc?
Can you put the logic board of the new one in the old housing? Did Apple just create an upgradeable laptop?
I work as a software developer in a big company, my company buys us macbooks every couple of years, they would never buy a macbook air, and they are very cheap, so they always buy the cheapest possible model with half decent storage. Last year they bought the M1 macbook pro, this year they will buy the M2.
Why don't they get the air?would save them money and there are negligible performance differences in the m1 era. Although I guess it could depend on the use case but only some pretty excessive fringe use cases would you see any performance benefits on the m1 pro versus the air.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 the reason I got the M1 mbp last year instead of the air was the bit larger battery and the fan, just in case I’m doing something that requires more of the computer when in a warm place.
And I guess I’d do the same even considering the renews Air.
what a waste.
One of the most baffling products they have ever released, and so confusing since almost every other laptop they have made in that last two years has been awesome and exactly what their fans have wanted. I love my 14” MBP, but I don’t understand why they made this either.
haha it's pretty similar to all their over priced laptops. one of the main reasons I haven't bought one since college 10 years ago.
@@rudysal1429 no, that's not a fair assessment at all. Both the new 14 & 16" MBP's and the new MBA are all getting great reviews and praise, while this new M2 MBP is getting poor reviews showing it to actually be SLOWER than the M1 version. Yes their products are more expensive but no one else prioritizes design like apple does and some people care about that and are willing to pay a premium for it. Saying this is just like the others is not accurate.
@@mutedmutiny9542 paying a premium for design instead of prioritizing functionality is the main problem with their platform. Of course if you are not a power user and just need a computer to browse the web and a few other tasks than any computer will do. Might as well pay the same price for a Ferrari but with a Volkswagen engine.
@@rudysal1429 that would be a compelling argument if they really weren’t functional, but can you honestly tell me that outside of this M2 MBP, that their other machines aren’t capable of doing what their customers need them to do?
@@mutedmutiny9542 Yes, I can honestly say any machine that comes with Windows cannot do what I want a computer to do.
That Dbrand ad was hella funny 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 if ads were more like that I'd probably be watching ads lol
Why would you need a stronger CPU for your macbook air? For games? For scientific number crunching?