20 Things You Didn't Know About Star Trek: First Contact (1996) Part 2
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"This isn't part of my programming... I'm a doctor, not a doorstop."
LOL. I nearly died in the movie theatre when I heard that line. XD
Crewman: The Borg took deck 26...
Picard: THERE. ARE. TWENTY. *FOUR* DECKS!!
we can end the debate once and for all by simply saying, "shitty writing". star trek has ALWAYS had continuity problems. i've learned to just ignore them.
Different timeline.. Or something. Continuation errors are nothing new and inconsistent quality too.
I have always found it weird when people say Data is “ageless” and that would have been a problem to continue playing for Brent Spiner to continue playing him. True, Data technically doesn’t visibly age like a human BUT in one of the episodes of TNG Geordi states that Data can absolutely change his appearance and appear older.
I thought it was mentioned a couple times.
Plus the grey streak he added to his hair in the Anti time future from "All Good Things..."
@@tetravega567 If anything, I think this only adds support to the 'Data can't realistically age' thing. Yes, he's *capable* of making these adjustments, but he's not able to do so convincingly. Just like his attempts at emulating human behavior, I would expect an aging Data in-universe would go about as clunkily as, say, his attempt at growing a beard or awkwardly as the 'floatation device' joke in Insurrection. Soong was a technical genius, but it's clear that he could never have been a decent makeup artist (at least, not until he had the motivation to get it right with Juliana). I always thought this was why the skunk stripe in 'All Good Things' was perfect: It was a very simple change, effective, and something Data could convincingly pull off without putting himself deeper into the Uncanny Valley.
Conceivably, it might have been possible to use First Contact as an opportunity to let Data KEEP his Borg-upgraded organic skin, which would have allowed him to age gracefully in a human way, but who knows how well the fans would have accepted such a radical change that radical to such a core character.
In hindsight it probably would have been fine, since there were only two more movies after that. But it might have seriously curtailed the possibility of Spiner's later cameos as Soong's various ancestors and relatives as the similarity between an aged, human-looking Data and Aric, Alton, and Adam Soong would just have been cheesy beyond belief.
Brent Spiner ageing while Data doesn't falls under the different Klingon appearances:
They are and always have been that way. Even the Discovery Klingons? Yes, those are the same Klingons as those in TOS
@@KentuckyKaiju Considering that before building androids, the Soong family was working in Genetics, I think the fact Brent Spiner playing them all can be easily explained away as them being clones.
Seen in "all good things" he has that look
4:29 The footage used to back this part of the video is one of my favorite scenes simply because when I went to see this in theaters opening weekend, I had spoilered myself by having bought a couple of packs of the trading cards for the movie before hand. So when they got to the part where Picard snaps the endoskeletal neck of the Queen, I leaned over to my high school friends who had gone to see it with me, and in my best Mortal Kombat announcer voice filtered through theater patron whispers, I said to them "Picard Wins. FATALITY! Flawless Victory." I'm sure the people sitting two rows behind us had no idea why my friends were laughing so hard.
I agree with Robert Picardo. While it did net him a nice little cameo it absolutely makes sense for the holographic doctor to be on the brand new ship, since his tech was stated to have been installed on newer vessels, and the timing of the film made it a great little joke for Voyager fans as well.
Further to that, the sickbay set was a re-dress of Voyager's sickbay, suggesting (in canon) that the facility was, like much of Starfleet's shipbuilding, a modular unit
I didn't even know it was possible to NOT know it was Ethan Phillips on the holodeck. 🤷🏻♀️
If you think Enterprise's EMH looks very much at home in that sickbay, that's because it is the Voyager Sickbay set with lighting changes and new red doors for the Borg to knock down.
Always thought it should have been O'Brien helming the defiant, and reporting to picard about the advancing Borg
Same! O'Brien had a nice sized role in defeating the Borg in "The Best of Both Worlds" and served as Sisko's tactical officer, so it only made sense to increase the interconnectedness.
@@joefarr2260 when was O'Brien a tactical officer?
Yeah Sisko might have been under a similar embargo as Picard due to his personal issues with the Borg (which took years to resolve in any meaningful way) and Kira/Odo not being Starfleet would have probably been kept out of this, but no real reason for Miles, Jadzia, and Bashir to not be on the Defiant against a Borg incursion.
Maybe Miles was required to be on DS9 to ensure the stations systems stayed going properly? 🤷♂️
@@Kolossus03 easy mistake to make sense he was Chief of Operations and wore a lot of hats.
First Contact was awesome.
You forgot two BIG details. Michael Dorn wasn't going to be the only DS9 character in the movie. The original plan was for Dorn and Colm Meaney. However, Ira Behr was unable/unwilling to spare BOTH or them and scenes for O'Brien were extensively rewritten and given to Dwight Schultz.
The other was a bigger weirdness with Dwight Schultz. He was a day player on the film so he got union minimum plus a small per diem for his participation in the film. He got paid $1,500 for signing a likeness rights form with Playmates toys for an improved Barclay figure. Which means, he got more money for having an action figure for the movie (and the later Voyager repaint using the same head sculpt) than he did for appearing in the actual movie.
That's kinda sad about Schultz. He's such a fantastic actor and addition to Trek. Weird to get more pay for a toy than performing his craft. But hey, so long as he's doing all right.
I always took it that the extra decks in Nemesis were added as apart of the refit that increased the Enterprise weapons count so much
little hard to add decks though, maybe if the ship was made of straight angles instead of curves it'd be possible.
Exactly. Federation ships don’t have fixed decks. They have an internal infrastructure onto which rooms and équipement of any size can be affixed. “Decks” is just a convention for ease of reference by the crew. We can assume that all the other characters, like security and operations, which gave higher numbers were aware of a retrofit that added more “decks”, whereas Picard, the only outlier, was using the old numbers because they ultimately don’t affect his job.
I figured it was a thing where they had a set number of decks, but some might have been split up in how they're accessed
I always assumed that there were some decks that are part of the ship, but not accessible to the crew. For example, when I was in the Navy, there were a few decks that existed on paper, but they were technically voids to keep the ship water and air tight.
It could be a similar situation: the decks exist: but there are only 24 decks accessible to the crew without being in dock
@@legofirefighter that's possible for sure, but considering that Janeway did go to deck 15 in the show I tend to believe they were added and it was a it shows the physical "model" is different from the FC/INS versions suggesting the hull had been modified between movies
Alice Kriege needs the award for best villain of all time. Even in small roles she is a master of making one feel ridiculously creeped out.
Heres my take on what they could of done with the DS9 cameos! Picard is with the senior staff with that briefing when Starfleet sends the Enterprise to the Neutral Zone. Picard say Number One set a course to the Neutral Zone, Then they cut to DS9 station and Daz, Kara, O'Brien, and Worf are in mid conversation about whatever, They Sisko comes out of his office and orders Worf and O'Brien to take the Defiant to Earth to meet up with the rest of the Fleet, Worf say, The Dominion! Sisko say, No THE BORG!! Everyone on Ops stops and have that Oh Sh*t look and feeling! Worf or O'Brien say on our way! And they show the Defiant departs and Warps to Earth, Then they cut to the Enterprise patrolling the Neutral Zone with Picard blasting that classical music! That could of been a 3 to 4 minute scene with some of the DS9 crew! Thats my take on what they could of done, O'Brien should been in it, hes been with the TNG crew since the beginning! They had Barkley in it! lol
Probably my third favourite Trek movie behind The Undiscovered Country and The Wrath Of Khan.
@@funfact8660 You just can't help it, can you.
_"I'm a doctor, not a door stop."_
Bummer about Hawk… I crushed on him so hard. Gorgeous man!
Having DS9 characters, Worf aside, would have been a nice addition, such as O'Brien and maybe Bashir, given the latter had appeared in TNG's Birthright Pt.1, and of course having O'Brien on the new Enterprise would have been a nice feature, and as for Voyager tie-ins, well, there was one big tie-in that was blatantly obvious, they used the sickbay set, with a change of doors and lighting adjustments, so I guess Picardo was right at home there, in a new uniform too... :P
You didn't mention the Falcon's appearance at the battle of sector 001.
Was just thinking that…
I've always had it in my head that Worf was commanding defiant on some unrelated errand mission, hence lack of senior staff, and just happened to be near enough to earth to respond to the call for help
Out of all of the "Things You Didn't Know" videos Trek Culture has done, these two on First Contact are by far my favorite, and which taught me the most.
The Norway is such a terrific design and I'm so sad it hasn't appeared again
Side story: the xenomorph in the thumbnail got my attention. A few years ago, IDW and Dark horse had a crossover in the works called Star Trek: The Next Generation/Aliens: Acceptable Losses. It would have been a four part comic pitting Picard and crew against the xenomorphs. It was never revealed why it was cancelled, but may have been because it was around the time Disney acquired Fox which owned the Aliens franchise. You can find concept pages as well as some very cool finished covers online.
*yeah really doubt that gender fluid or virtue signaling xenomorphs would be accepted by the geek community or that having them present within the grounds of the Magic kingdom would be a popular family friendly decision*
@@scottmantooth8785 What does that have to do with anything I said? Can we ever not make this a conversation about that nonsense? I come here to get away from it, not talk about it.
@@josephmassaro *i mention it only as an example of just how polarizing and hyper political any conversation the left injects itself into...subverting what would otherwise be an enjoyable experience into one that focuses on an agenda that no one cares about other than themselves... making those who reject their narrative of thinking inherently racist...i'm using hyperbole' obviously...but i do enjoy taunting liberals more than i actually should*
The concept covers are pretty funny. Like the one with the chest-burster coming from a guy, who has RED SHIRT written on him, or the faces the crew are making.
@ *alien lifeform*
*lays its eggs within my chest*
*my shirt is ruined*
On the deck situation: on actual vessels, there are areas aboard that while on the same plane, have different names. On the vessel I captain, there is a Fleet Deck and a Texas Deck. Both are on the first level above the main deck, but one is forward of the superstructure and one is aft. It’s possible that the “decks” aboard a starship could be on the same plane but separated by a bulkhead or other obstruction that prevents them from being traversed easily. Another explanation could be that the number system is more related to the use of the deck than the actual planar coordinate(certain “deck” numbers are living spaces while others could be related to mechanical or engineering use).
Also a possibility is that certain decks are only accessible via Jefferies Tubes because they are entirely taken up by starship systems so when Picard says there are 24 decks he means usable ones with corridors and accessible by turbolift.
my favourite speculation is that nowadays it is common for there not to be a floor 13 because no-one wants to live or work on it, other cultures have other numbers that are speculatively favourable or unfavourable (I think by 2400 we would have gotten over superstitions) but it could be that the other races of the federation consider certain numbers unlucky and won't serve on a ship that has a Deck 23 so when it has 24 decks, without a deck 13 or deck 23 it has a deck 26, etc
I hope that's wrong because as Picard says "Each world joining the federation did so as a whole world, that means they had overcome societal and political differences"...and superstitions...
3:55 My take is that they numbered the decks separately in the saucer and the engineering hull, given that the ship was apparently meant to separate like her predecessor (never minding for a moment where the second set of impulse engines are supposed to be).
I.e., unlike the Galaxy class, where deck 8 is in the middle of the saucer but also the top deck of the stardrive section, the Sovereign just counts down from 1 to however many in its saucer, and then continues numbering at the top of the stardrive section, even though it's the same deck as a higher numbered deck when the ship isn't separated.
I like that suggestion! It’s a solution I’ve never heard before. I can imagine the in-universe meetings in SF Design arguing why this makes sense and why it doesn’t at the same time. LOL.
It would have been nice to have Sisko appear in FC, given his own history with Picard (or should I say Locutus) and the Borg.
I’m ngl….I would have LOVED that. If for example he was Captaining the Defiant instead of Worf.
It would add to much extra story lines, risking bungling them up.
Besides in the end, Generations and beyond are TNG films and have enough characters to focus on
I imagine the writers were deliberately avoiding having 2 Star Trek captains appearing together on screen for 2 movies in a row.
agreed. think about it he helped develop the defiant to fight the borg and the one chance he gets to actually use it for that Worf comes alone. but maybe it was like with Picard he was ordered not to come because of his experiences at wolf 359. only that unlike Picard he actually followed that order.
@@ADMNtek the Cardassians would have been more likely to take advantage of both Sisko and the Defiant being gone
I always thought actor Neal McDonough (Hawk) would have been an excellent choice to play Zefram Cochrane since he strongly resembled (at the time) the original actor Glenn Corbett. Of course, Zefram Cochrane was a completely different character in First Contact, personality-wise, than the original portrayal. Not sure how that would have worked with McDonough in the role.
Also, the “Zephram Cochrane” in the original series was an Android copy. Kind of a “Hall of Presidents” animatronic writ large. He would have been modeled more on what historians thought Cochrane was rather than on first-hand experience.
He's a decent actor who has gone on to play villains. He got a bit typecast and blackballed because of his ethics so we didn't see his full range, but I think he would have been great as Zeph.
Loved the Doc's cameo. Neat way to crossover with the other shows but then technically not.
Seem to remember after FC came out there being a rumour the first cut Mr Frakes handed to Paramount would've made the film an 18 certificate.
#5 is funny, well-known too 😅🤣
The Enterprise-D had 42 decks and the Enterprise-E had 24. I always assumed this was another tribute to Douglas Adams? The NCC-1701-D Technical Manual sheds further light on this.
More details!
An early draft of the script involved Data and Picard merging into a single borgified entity, though this was likely scrapped because everyone wants to see both actors.
Zephram Cochrane’s cockpit would later be redressed for use in the pilot ep of Enterprise as Archer and Trip inspect their ship.
The statue Geordi mentions is apparently the same as the small model, built by the tremendous Doug Drexler, that is seen in Archer’s quarters.
When Picard enters the Holodeck, you can read the title of a classic, Dixon Hill related ep on the screen: The Big Goodbye.
This movie introduced the new, grey shouldered uniforms. Whereas the previous film urgently borrowed costumes from DS9 that didn’t even fit the actors, these new designs would ultimately be used on DS9.
Because the design of the E was still a secret, early shots of the opening battle included shots of the D, and even Voyager’s hull, (iirc)
The original opening shot was much longer, drawing back quite a bit further.
Spiner asked to be killed off, but received the written response: “sorry! Kill you later!”
The engine room was built first in its Borg state, before being redressed as it was supposed to appear.
When Lily Sloan says “you broke your little ships”, she is holding the model of the D, which was destroyed in the previous film.
The deflector dish set is about 30 percent smaller than it should actually be.
The color of the hull is pale, akin to the robin’s egg color of Kirk’s ships, but by the time it makes it’s last appearance in Nemesis the silver, gray, and “aztec” designs are much more prominent.
Torpedos appear to exit the ship just barely in front of the (assumed and later shown) Captain’s Yacht.
Worth noting: after the battle of Wolf 359, commander Sisko helped lead a team of engineers to develop countermeasures to the Borg threat. The Defiant was the result, leading to his eventual command of it. Leaving it out of the Borg attack would have been absurd.
The only other depiction of Cochrane was in the TOS ep. Metamorphosis, where he is inexplicably young and living with a green cloud that seems to love him.
I didn't know any of that. Thanks!
Not sure I buy that the Norway-class model had been deemed too much work to rebuild. Frankly, _design_ is the hardest part. As long as reference images exist, a professional modeler should be able to bang out a replacement. Hell, the original modeler could probably recreate it in less time than it took the first time. (Speaking from experience, that. 😓) That's just the geometry, though. There's still the matter of the image maps. But I bet those were probably safe and sound, and could even aid in making sure the model is as close to the original as possible. (Especially since, even if the image maps packaged with the geometry assets were gone too, the original working files from the texture artists were likely stored elsewhere and intact.) 🤔
[Source: I was literally a freelance CG artist when First Contact came out. 😅 I never did any time in the trenches of production, but I did my share of _turning polygons into pixels the hard way._ 😏]
That Neelix cameo ALWAYS gets me to be like "Who is that guy?" whenever I rewatch First Contact, because despite any makeup or prosthetics, he has a VERY distinctive voice that I just recognize, despite not even watching very much of Voyager.
I grew up watching Ethan and René in "Benson". I noticed Ethan right away when I saw him. 🤩
This really makes me wonder what happened to the Defiant’s crew throughout First Contact, as they were on board the Enterprise throughout the time travel and Borgificagion. Wouldn’t be unreasonable to assume Bashir and O’Brien were outside the Defiant’s bridge, with possible other main cast injured out of scene. We know the Enterprise’s sickbay was overrun, so they must have had some involvement.
As long as they weren't named, Sisko wouldn't even remember to write their familied
It would also be reasonable, although it was not overly stated, that several captains gave the emergency beam out order at once. Many crew members may have been rescued by other ships.
@@andrewjohnson6716 what if one person gets locked on by 2 ships at the same time?
@@benwillems8584 Do want a "Tom Riker"? Because that's how you get Tom Rikers.
@@andrewjohnson6716 I don’t know how reasonable that would be given that they have to lower shields to beam a crew out. I rewatched the scenes in question and the Enterprise E was purposely providing cover and defense to save the Defiant, which is unlikely to be said about any other vessel (particularly since the Fleet’s flagship was destroyed at the same time, with presumably a lot larger crew). Would have been a very different film if they had an Admiral on board chastising Picard the entire time… (hah, like Insurrection)
Word commanding the Defiant makes all kinds of sense, since he was the DS9 officer with the most experience against the Borg.
Sisko helped to develop the defiant to fight against the borg.
And Sisko was first officer during Wolf 359. The difference in experience is marginal at best.
I think you missed the point of The Defiant's presence entirely. It was how they got Worf back. It was the vehicle - literally! - That let Worf be mobile to return him to the Enterprise.
i saw this movie in theaters with my mom and my aunt. love this movie.
Thank you. 🖖🏻
The extra decks are from 3D printer star bases to retcon the more decks.
I watched this film at the Yorkdale Cinemas in Toronto in 1996. During the movie when the Borg queen said the line "watch your futures end" the movie stopped and did not come back on. All attendees were given vouchers for a future movie. True story!
That suuuuuucked.
Good thing I wait until part 2 goes live before watching both, huh.
One correction: ILM would not have requested CGI models from Paramount, they handled most of the movies up to that point but did not do the VFX for the TV series (apart from TNG’s pilot).
CGI for DS9 was primarily handled by Digital Muse and Foundation Imaging. You can even tell what shots each studio does in Sacrifice of Angels - Foundation handled the second half of the battle and their style for just about everything from lighting to glow effects, weapons and explosions is markedly different.
Cant wait til we get to talking about Nemesis and *that* bottomless pit some where around deck 29
@@funfact8660 A deleted scene explained that he had come back to Starfleet
@@funfact8660 He presumably finished his training (which is why he went off with the Traveler, but timey wimey who knows how long it was for him) prior to Nemesis, rejoined Starfleet, then decided at some point to become a Traveler. Given he is stated as having the potential to control space and time through thought (like he and his mother seemed to with that Warp Bubble accident episode), the Crusher we see could be from the 27th century for all we know. There's certainly no reason to think the Crusher we saw in 2024 had timetraveled from 2401. And even if he did that means he could have had a 20 year career in Starfleet from Nemesis and still been a Traveler for 2 years.
I look forward to the day of seeing more promotional artwork from when the film was titled Star Trek: Resurrection
Imagine if Sisko was in First Contact; the Borg wouldn't have lasted ten minutes on the Enterprise 😂
holy crap!!! i had completely forgotten about the data rumors...i remember talking to my dad about them and being really pissed off if they did it...lol
Ethan Phillips also appeared in the new era star trek as the engineer when Nero was looking for kirk
4:34 PLEASE don't use the term "character actor" - it's a demeaning and patronising term for actors that actually have genuine range and ability.
Now i´m really curious about that Star Trek game we never got to play. In the end with Star Treks Elite Force (2000) we got a awesome game fighting the Borg, Hirogen, Terran Empire, Klingons and so on 😁
I love that game! The Borg ACTUALLY ADAPTED to all weapons but the infinity modulator...damn shame they didn't use in voyager endgame with the portable transport storage unit...
I didn't know that about the Norway Class model. I always remembered that from First Contact as we are introduced to the newer smaller tactical ships. The Steamrunner Class, the Saber Class, and the Norway Class. (The Steamrunner being my favorite if the three.) It woukd have been cool to see the Norway in DS9 during the Dominion War like the two others.
I think that would have been cool to see DS9 characters in the film. At least a few like Jadzia Dax, Doctor Bashir and heck yea captain Sisko. I would have liked to at least see Dax there.
I think #3 and #7 was a well-known fact 🤔
It’s frustrating that the sources of these facts are not listed or referenced in the video or the article. It would be nice to verify and also read or view the sources ourselves.
They're more second hand info shared, rumours and speculation really that has been posted online for years. Some are just factually incorrect like #4.
Oh man! Time for the trek film that i found most painful next!
My favourite Star Trek movie
You forgot the Millennium Falcon is at the Battle of 001
I always assumed that the discrepancy in deck count would likely be because the decks aren't number in order. It could have a total of 24 decks but maybe they're not numbered 1-24. A way to confuse potential raiders of the ship. Another possibility is that Picard isn't used to the layout of the ship or even just misspoke when stating the decks and didn't bother correcting himself.
Great video. The 1st Contact is a way better title and movie as well. Regards from Brazil! *
Still my favourite Star Trek movie of all.
It’s tiny and in the background, but ILM added a YT-1300(The Millennium Falcon) to the Battle Of Sector 001.
I'm glad that they didn't have Picard replace Cochran. That sounded too much like the DS9 episode when the Defiant went back in time and Sisko took the place of Gabriel Bell who had just been killed in a riot.
There were a few missed opportunities in this movie.
The Defiant: We know the Defiant was ONLY added to the movie as an excuse to get Worf aboard the Enterprise. But not not including any of the other cast is a slap in the face. Especially Sisko, there's NO WAY he would have sat out this battle. They could even have had a short Picard/Sisko interlude since he would never truly trust Picard.
Hawk: Neal McDonough is such a great character actor and Hawk could have been a good character to add to the franchise. Straight or gay, I think he would have been a good fit, especially with the lack of a steady conn officer on the Enterprise. There was really no point in killing him off, even if you didn't want to use him in future movies the character could have existed in universe for books or future projects.
@Brian Smith I agree.
I liked Lilly there was nothing wrong with her. And Alfre Woodard is a great actress.
But it DOES kinda feel that her role was meant to be someone else.
And now that you mention it, I can see Sisko in that conversation, most definitely.
@4:15 I took the time to count the decks on the display; I counted 24.
I really wish they had written it so the Borg 'adapted' to create a Queen. The idea the Borg needed Picard as their leader while the Queen was always there never made sense.
Or at the very least have her back home! The movie made it clear she was on the Borg cube that was destroyed, and she never popped up to say hi?
I loved Activision Elite Force games which features Voyager and Enterprise E.
I like to believe the enterprise E has 30 decks, but only 24 are accessible to the general crew. It is the flagship and therefore there would be restricted areas, maybe even classified ones
Feel we missed something by stating the Adam Scott of Parks and Red, and Severance came played the helmsman on the defiant.
Maybe a do a startrek (video) game edition
The borg Queen was perfect
There was a game called Star Trek : Borg if I recall which was probably why they didn't go with that name I would guess
Great Trek film! For every 4 u get 1 good one. , plus a wild card here n there.
What I don't get is that there was indeed a full scene with Sisko sending Worf to the Battle of Sector 001 filmed, obviously it was cut, but why have we never seen it in special features or even a director's cut? It would be really great to see an extended cut of the film this many years on.
You should of added that they initially were going go use the enterprise d model again and relabel it the enterprise e. When the model was actually put away for storage it had an enterprise e label on it
The line about only getting 3 or 4 shots from the phaser riffles was added as a way for them not to spend money on phaser fire which would of cost $10,000 a shot
I got lured here by the xenomorph in the thumbnail
Trek Culture: *Starts video by saying check out part 1 link in the description*
Also Trek Culture: *Doesnt post link to part 1 in Description*
Regarding the whole 24/26/29 decks on the Enterprise-E, Hawk says that the Borg controlled "decks 26 up to 11" while Picard says that there were 24 decks. Just because they have 24 decks total doesn't mean that they can't have deck 26, if they skip a couple of numbers. Some buildings have no 13th floor so this isn't impossible.
As to the 29th deck in Nemesis, the Enterprise had a refit between Inserection and Nemesis, maybe they added more then 🤷♂️
the deck thing came up with a few friends and I and we worked out that the reason the char say different numbers is they are counting parts of the ship not normally in the numbered decks the picard number is the decks within the saucer section the others include other sections the highest one even including the decks within the naceles
Way too many decks for Saucer section only. The Enterprise-D is 133 meters high with 42 decks. Enterprise-E is only 88 meters overall, so 24 decks in the saucer section alone is not plausible.
In many ways, still my favorite Star Trek movie!!! (The J.J. Abrams movies are awesome, but I feel they are part of a separate Star Trek. You know, between the pre-Kelvin and the post-Kelvin timeline. 'First Contact' is my favorite pre-Kelvin movie. 'Beyond' is my favorite post-Kelvin movie.) 🖖🏻👨🏻🦲🤘🏻Live Long And Prosper Seán Ferrick!!!
I can’t remember the character names but I think Hawk relationship was also confirmed with his other half being on Riker’s Titan (as well as a post-delta quadrant Tuvok).
The actor who played Hawk would have never played the character if the rumor were true. He got typecast/blackballed for not wanting to make out with another woman that wasn't his wife, let alone doing that
I would like to know how the battle of sector 001 went compared to Wolf 359, it appears to go a lot better since they actually destroy the Borg cube, but in terms of ships destroyed & people killed.
It's rumored there was a script that featured members from TNG , DS9 and Voyager to fight a born invasion . As for the deck numbers let's remember the star trek V blunder .
I wish they would have shown some DS9 actors that were on the Defiant besides Worf. At very least have O'Brian!
“Resurrection” doesn’t really work for “First Contact”. No one and nothing is being resurrected in the way that Ripley is literally being cloned and “resurrected”; and the final plot is focused on achieving first contact. I wonder if there was something else in an older draft...
Well it was mentioned in the previous iteration of this video series that Picard was supposed to take the Riker role and Cochrane was in a coma with Picard taking his place in history to make First Contact...so it COULD work in that sense given the name of the ship is Phoenix.
Still one of my favorite of the entire series. I did like the theory put forth that the battle took place while Sisko was with Eddington on a runabout in the Badlands, but while the stardates may match, or at least not contradict, the very first episode of DS9 with the new uniforms ("Rapture" if I recall correctly) mentioned the 'recent Borg attack' and that was a few episodes earlier. So... I don't think Sisko appearing throughout the bulk of the movie would work because it would diminish Picard's storyline (and authority!) but I do wish they'd have at least had something about Sisko saying to Worf something about tense negotiations with the Cardassian government meaning he has to stay behind, but the Defiant was built for battling the Borg so Sisko is assigning her to Worf for the battle. Should have also had O'Brien in Engineering too.
Correction: Apparently the reference was in "In Purgatory's Shadow", four episodes later. The stardates do explicitly contradict that, but... not the first time.
My guess is that Starfleet kept Sisko on the sidelines for the same reason as Picard: too much risk that his past with the Borg would make him an 'unstable element' in the crisis.
You know there aren't actually any links from Part 2 to Part 1 or vice versa, right?
I don't feel like the info about 'Neelix' being in First Contact is entirely accurate. The actor, Ethan Phillips, was in the film, but he didn't play Neelix. So, I just feeling saying Neelix was in First Contact is a bit of a reach really. Interesting fact about the name First Contact being chosen because Resurrection went to the Alien 4 film. That's something I wasn't aware of until now. You learn something new everyday I guess.
Not sure if anyone pointed out the blink and you’ll miss it Millennium Falcon dropped in by ILM.
Wasn’t The Wrath of Khan a 15 when BBFC started giving ratings out?
it's interesting that in 2022, "an aging Brent Spiner" is required for every Star Trek show.
let's see when he will make an appearance in Strange new worlds.
@@ADMNtek i would put money that he does. He's like the Biff Tannan of Star Trek. Some relative that looks exactly like him is the bad guy in every time.
@@CyclopsWasRight616 He'll probably play Lore. I mean Soong androids were implied to have been activated around Kirk's era by Dr. Soong's grandfather.
@@voltinator he'd be too old to play Lore. That was the entire point that you seem to have missed
@@CyclopsWasRight616 He could play a prototype Lore, one that still had all of his circuits exposed and older tech. It would be kind of like him playing a Borg.
CORRECTION: In the novelization of FIRST CONTACT, it was revealed that Lt. Hawk was gay. That novel came out in December 1996. SECTION 31: ROGUE was published in June 2001.
Holy cow-there were no backups of that CGI model? 😬
Is there an explanation, why the phaser rifles used in the ship had two different shapes? I know, there was a third version, when they went out to the deflector, but when they’re first encounter the Borg, Worf and the security team used a black, round shaped rifle, while the one from Data and Picard was more angular and grey…
Slow phasing out of old versions for new ones? Even Starfleet can't build a million rifles in one go. Enterprise got a shipment and replaced the oldest and then waited for the next shipment
I think we have to assume that the Defiant had a spore drive and no one mentioned it. What was the Defiant doing in Sector 001? Isn't DS-9 in Deep Space? Who (other than Worf) would stay on that ship for that long? It was probably Worf just popping in to see Alexander and caught a Borg fight on the way home. Typical Worf not to use Black Alert!
This Movie CLIMAX the first 10 minutes of the first act, after that it seems like the movie is on a LIMITED BUDGET !
Discovery, Picard, Strange New Worlds, Lower Decks, ... that other one.
Perhaps today IS a good day to die!
At least there is The Orville
I read that SNW was pretty good (so far...), though I haven't seen it.
I was wondering two things. Was Alfred Woodard a Star trek fan? And who else was considered for the role of Lilly?
According to the official star trek fact files the e has 24 decks, with deck two for officers, four and five are for science and utilities. Main shuttlebay is on deck 6 and 7. Main engineering is on deck 16. Odn, computer core and shuttle support went from deck 7-10, sickbay is on 8 with stellar cartography, main crew quarters are decks 9-16, 13 is deuterium fuel tanks, 21 has tractor emiters, 23/24 are lateral phaser arrays.
It’s also important to remember that “decks” is just a convention for ease of reference. Federation ships have an internal infrastructure from which rooms and facilities are affixed, all of which are of varying size. What counts as a “deck” is just a decision. It would be reasonable to think that the security and operations officers, who quoted higher numbers and whose jobs dependent on that accuracy, are using updated numbers after a recent refit while Picard, to whose job such information is not as relevant, is using pre-refit numbers. (Also, and I say this as an aging man, old men are less likely to constantly update information like that.)
@@andrewjohnson6716 Yea even in TOS the decks were considered modular and able to be combined/split apart in the ship's shell.
You forgot the connection to Forbidden Planet.