Alienware X17 Review - New EVERYTHING!
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- My review of the Alienware X17. This best gaming laptop from Alienware. This is the best laptop they've ever made.
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Fun fact: I'm not even interested in gaming laptops (or in any laptop at the moment) but I watch the entirety of every single video he drops just because of his voice and he being so chill
I just ordered a macbook but i watch dave's videos coz they're pieces of art really. Clean.
same here bro . the studio is just so clean that gives my eyes some peace.
Same here. Even still, he is the go-to creator for laptop advice on CZcams for sure.
Isn't this a "fun" fact about yourself, not Dave?
I watched because of him, I live in a trash country, any of theses good laptops came here, and when it comes, it cost a price of a nice car lmao
I absolutely love how Dave finds a way to give Optimus a cameo. That thing is epic af
Ubisoft is giving away far cry 3 I have never played it I'm very poor so free but it's again asking activation key what to do plz tell bro you can do it bro
@@Nyemku ??💀
@@Nyemku This is sad
@@IronPal What I do
Does anyone else think the reason Dave keeps Showing Optimus Prime is so he can use as a Tax write off? 🤨 “Roll out”
Now that's a thorough review. The small size of the Function keys are easy to miss when reviewing but Dave2D caught it right on. I appreciate your work.
I have the highest spec version and it emits a high pitch hum to it so I can't use it as it affects my ears. Does yours? Also, my order got canceled 2wice before I finally had to wait like 2 months.
that's definitely a big problem get it checked out
Alienware: *doesn't give dave a review unit*
Dave: "Oh no! Anyway..."
GOES even more in depth
And on that bombshell Dell isn't sending him any units XD
@@parthkapgate
Alienware is Dell
@@BirdTurdMemes I know
@@parthkapgate why? He did A positive review of the x17 ?
Alienware command centre has been nothing but trouble for me. Whether it's constant crashing or not loading at all, I hope they can fix it.
Not enough eucalyptus oil
@@geoshaasyahadzan8548 LOL.. 😂
I find it will not launch of your cpu or gpu are under heavy load, like while playing a game. Trick is to start it and never close it.
Love you faja
I've had terrible experience with their Killer wi-fi card. Had to replace it with generic Intel one to get wi-fi to work reliably.
So glad they thought of that and it is now permanently soldered on to a board. Good job Alienware!
8:34 Such a cool designed laptop ( this could be an asset from Portal when RGB is on blue ) with ALL the power and nice cooling. There are other laptops with similar tech in them, but they can hardly keep themself cool under load...
That power- adaptler looks like its from the 90s tho :)
haha right? It looks ancient and it doesn't match the laptop's aesthetic at all. I wonder if it has an LED at the end though, that could make up for it somewhat XD
I've waited for this review for a really long time! Thanks much Dave! Love from India! ❤️❤️❤️
Now it's official, Dell is NEVER sending Dave any new laptops again 😅 At least not after this video
Reply to me >:(
No
They didn’t even send this one, he purchased it
When I bought my R10, an entire month went by with no one answering me about my order, their customer service is absolute trash at best. They started billing me a day before the computer arrived and they were super mum on details right up to when it came (February 2020).
I would say 3/10 and I will never buy from them again. Hardware issues i won't even get into.
looks like he’ll have actually buy a xps this year 💀💀
Hahaha that Advance Optimus bit, he never gets old!
Dave is always my guide in terms of buying a laptop. Thank you.
Wow Dave youve come a long way.. 3.45m subs now!!! I remember when you were dub 1m.. keep up the great work and congrats!!
Dell: *Doesn't send a review unit*
Dave: "So you've chosen death!"
Got me crying hahaha 😂😂😂
loved ur comment xD
Dell: PEACE WAS NEVER AN OPTION!!!!!
@@frederickasante277 😖😆😆
Company: we can't send a review unit to Dave, cuz he is the "honest one"
More like "We can't send many if any review units because we are backed up AF and customers are already chomping at the bit.". Honestly I think they have been trying to get every single machine into the people's hands that bought one. Mine took a few delays and me almost cancelling it completely. But I get it. Computer in customers hands = money. Reviewers help with the money but not with the guys who already purchased. Piss them off and no reviewer can fix that.
@@KryptoDemon bruh, it doesn't work like that. A good review can skyrocket your sales especially if it's the laptop man Dave.
Being that everything is in a state of shortages, it's no surprise they want to just sell them all. And Dave bought one themself and quite highly praised it.
@@KryptoDemon Dude I ordered mine September the 8th and it still hasn't even entered production..........expected ship date 11/5.
czcams.com/video/cYr1Jtvwo-M/video.html Alienware: doesn't give dave a review unit
Dave: "Oh no! Anyway..."
I have the R17 for 3 yrs now for my civil engineering Autodesk software and it works amazing. Might have to check this one out too
Love the review just ordered my X17 Alienware thanks for helping 👍🏻
Alienware laptops were always too exotic-looking for my taste but I got to say the X17 seems amazing!
Coming at 3999
to Put it simple its like a gamers MacBook pro 16 but with 15inch and 17 inch model and no macOS.
@@neubauerjosephI think a proper gamers macbook pro is definitely the Razer blade pro. That thing looks exactly the same as a macbook.
@@ronsica9893 true, sleek and simple design but expensive af
@@thecompetitor4418 man $4000! That's insane
Actually modern Killer cards are really just Intel cards under a different name since Intel owns Killer now. All you have to do is uninstall all their software using their tool and then you have essentially a regular Intel wifi card.
Thanks. I didn’t know that. Is the software that bad?
@@goovindnarula6470 yes.
@@goovindnarula6470 Yes
@@goovindnarula6470 I have a Razer blade 2017 that uses a killer wifi card, I was getting 30mbps in my room, after I changed it out for an Intel wifi card, I got 200mbps.
@@Hao-tu2gv I have a killer too ;/ maybe I should uninstall the software at least first before removing it. I use ethernet most of the time anyways :P
i just received my X17, it seems my MX keyboard the SPACEBAR is not level. the left side end appear to be lower than the ALT key, Right side end is level with the ALT. can i know if yours is also same?
The music at the end LOVELY
'Comanies do this thing, where they DONT send me devices when they think Im gonna take a massive dump on it'
'This is the best laptop they've ever made'
The character development
I have fewer than 1 friend in the World. That's right. Everybody disses me for making bad videos. I think they are perfect though. Who is right? My dissers or me? Which side are you on, dear nam
hi btw
I am being humble when I am telling you that I am the most powerful strongest coolest smartest most famous greatest funniest Y*uTub3r of all time! That's the reason I have multiple girlfriends and I show them off all the time! Bye bye tim
@@AxxLAfriku nope. You are just one of those clout chasers
@@dragonslayer5809 he's a bot, report him
Such a great review, I was on the fence to get this sometime later this year. Might just get the next iteration, I need great speakers, I am sure others would too. Thanks, Dave!
Yes, a 17" gaming laptop review! I'd love to see more of these because I love 17" laptops, especially with a number pad in the keyboard.
Yup 17" and still no number pad that's disappointing
Man, I'm loving these Optimus Cameos in Dave's Videos
I was waiting for a long time for Dave's review of this machine! Thanks a lot!!! Great video, as always!
Finally, I've been waiting for Dave to do this review!
Is there a way this machine can function at its peak .. because i can't even use it more than 6hrs and it gets frozen..over heating even using microsoft word.. i feel i am using a trash and i hav.t enjoyed using it a bit ..can u help may be there is a settings i need to do for it function well
What would you recommend under 2k that could still run some pretty demanding fps games? Ive seen some sales for alienware on dell for as low as 1100…jus not sure what can handle what
I was impatiently waiting for the review! Lol You’re amazing!
why shipping takes so long? been waiting for 2 months? they give misleading shipping dates.
@@havoc7154 you expect too much from dell and alienware.
When I started looking at this laptop a couple weeks ago my first thought was to go to your channel and see what you had to say about it. To my surprise you didn't have anything about the laptop. Not very many youtubers did either ... Today this video came up and my first thought was '' Hey there it is '' lol I did end up ordering this laptop. Should have it next month.
May i ask how do u undervolt the newer gen laptops? I cant seem to do it after the new regulations got implemented.
Hi Dave,
So I watch another review from Just Josh(X15 Model), he said that the device won’t completely turn off/sleep when you close the lid, even if it’s already in sleep mode, the fan are still running, any thoughts about that particular issue?
Love the color of the shirt dave.
Matching the Alienware logo 😍
Agree
Thanks
what are your thoughts about this vs the MSI GS76? i wonder if the speakers are both trash? how is msi able to get the gs66 to be a normal motherboard rather than inverted
So glad I found this! Just bought one from Dell outlet for a huge discount and this is exactly what I needed to see. Subscribed.
This man's voice is so soothing that I watch his tech videos just for ASMR purposes.
But don't do that on Alienware X17 speakers
@@IkshuNarang hahaha
Same, relieves anxiety. Also, he's such a good speaker unlike Alienware's laptop
Ironically the very day this laptop was released, I bought my R4 lol. I had actually thought about canceling and switching my order but it was already in process (Dell's customer support was long enough lol). I constantly had "what if" thoughts, but once my R4 got here, I've had no regrets so far. Still I can't deny how sleek pretty the x15/x17 look!
Does the sound quality sound good when you plug in headphones? I plan to mix songs on this laptop and would like to have the option
Thank you for bringing up speakers! I want a laptop with good sound. Yeah, I plug into my stereo, but I'd like to not have to.
I love the "I am the Advanced Optimus" reveal. It cracks me up
Question, how does the keyboard compare to the XPS 15’s?
Thanks for reminding me of all the perks of the old model that are missing
Pointed out very valid shortcomings of the laptop, when someone’s spending around 4k it better come with all the bells & whistles. Great review.
I love my X15, 3080! If I could change anything it would be the color to be the same as the MacBook Pro space gray. The white color is amazing but I have to be too cautious to keep it clean and minimize discoloring from surfaces.
You wouldn't change the soldered RAM? Or the upside down MoBo?
Lol
@@rustler08 Personally, neither does not bother me as much since I built a gaming PC with Trident Z royal 128gb ram (overkill and unnecessary for my mainly gaming usage lol), and accessibility to upgrade my older Z390 Maximus Hero XI motherboard if I want to. Also, considering that the X15 comes with 32gb of ram, I believe it’s sufficient for me and what I use it for which is just gaming on the go. Second M.2 slot for SSD expansion was what I was most happy with.
But for anyone that prefers to have an all in one gaming laptop with ease of accessibility to the motherboard for thermal repasting and non-soldered ram for upgrade ability; yes I would definitely want it change for them because at this price range for a high end gaming laptop, consumers should definitely be able to upgrade easily to maximize performance and thermals!
Just got an M15 R6 (i7, GTX 1070, 1TB SSD) 2 days before and its just amazing, the body is so sleek, performance is top notch and the built is solid. It looks so unique and unlike any other laptop brand on the planet. Really love it.
How's the thermal?
Just ordered x17 with the 3080 and 32 gigs ram. This will be my first gaming laptop. Can't wait
im focusing on ur aquarium behind you thats very nice
I’ve always liked this style of Alienware laptop. It reminds me of what people in the past thought future cars would look like.
Good review, i own this same, same specs and indeed it runs cooler at everything i throw at it. Great Job Alienware! Thanks Dave for your review, i appreciate your honest review.
Do you agree with his assessment of the speakers?
@@d1grizz I have the same laptop. I agree with that speakers issues. But I try to change the audio settings in Alienware Command Center and after turning off the bass boost, my hearing experience improved a little. But I can still sometimes hear the harshness or undesired noise from my left speaker. Overall the speakers are just terrible in such an expensive laptop, after adjusting the audio settings, it is better but still far away from a good speaker. The good fact is that while gaming as long as you use headphones there is no issue lol. Or you can always connect the device with a Bluetooth speaker. On the other hand, the thermal control is pretty good. I downvolt my cpu and here is my experience with APEX Legends. Video down to 2K, other settings remain highest. The gpu temp is lower than 70 and cpu is around 70-73. Hope these could help u make the decisions.
@@lmtwilight8919 Are u rich?
@@shxzzie_ not really😹
@@lmtwilight8919 those are amazing temps. What fps would you get in 4k high settings? (no aa)
Do they have a 15 inch version with this cooling system? Could end up being really lightweight and still powerful.
Dave please help me decide!! i work with architectural programs, Sketchup and Escape for renderings. Would you suggest Allienware 17", Asus strix scar, Msi GE76 ? I got the Thinkpad P1 Gen4 and I fell like it does not perform awesome as expected..why, because it's a workstation? but has the same configuration as a gaming PC... Please help me pick one!! Speed, silence fan... Thanks
Here is my experience with Alienware.
I remember back in the day when I used to game a lot. Alienware products were just fascinating. The option to have a max of 2 GPU’s in a laptop and up to 3 gpus in a normal desktop case was a beautiful option. At the time, their highest spec pc (Area 51) cost right around 11k dollars. That was the option with three Nvidia Titan X. I also owned the 17 inch laptop that they have had. In the last years as you said had some problems since i was literally burning my fingers playing COD Black Ops 2, because the computer has gotten so hot! (Even cleaning the vent from dust has it not made better)
The thing that really annoyed me, was the fact that both of these computers that I have owned from Alienware, always broke during Christmas/new year.
(Seems sus to me at least)
I remember my laptop breaking the 20th December, the screen started flashing green lines…. The GPU was fried…..
Then with the Area 51 suddenly was not turning on again, this time the motherboard has been broken. How? I don’t know, i haven't done anything to it and no breakers popped.
What did Alienware do? They brought in a new motherboard, they came into my house trying to fix it. I felt bad for the guy that came to repair it, he clearly has been beaten up 2 days before. He had scratches and bruises everywhere.
What did Dell do? Since the motherboard has not been produced anymore, they gave me a “repaired” motherboard.
After changing the motherboard the CPU cooler fan ran at 100%, running it at 80db. That's a loud cryptominer or a car passing by on the street, standing near such a sound source can ruin your hearing if you have it sitting near you all the time.
Of course you can turn it on, but would you want to? You can not play on this thing because your ears would get sensitive and your mates would cry around after 5 minutes because that thing was super loud and you mic was picking all that noise up.
Now its just sitting in my corner, its sitting there with 3 Titan X and you don't want to use it just by the sheer sound the cooler is generating. There is nothing I can do, i tried fixing it with software but there was no chance fixing it.
Since then I became a Razer customer, their Laptops are simply fantastic, they don't break that much. And if something does not work? Well instead someone coming home to you, you have to send it in. But I’ll rather go that route than a pc that is breaking every 2-3 months.
If you really really want an Alienware, make sure that you have some money and patience on your hands. At the time I made my money through crypto, if I would have had patience and money it would have been a very very very expensive paper weight!
Edit: Minor Fixing of some things
thanks for sharing your experience with us!
@@birdost12345 Thanks for taking the time to read the comment!
Good to know. Thanks you.
@@Benny-jt9cj You are very welcome!
@yt 1234 Probably the battery. The blade I had at the time was also much better. Gotta try out the new Alienware to see if their quality has changed.
I've bought the M17 R4 like six months ago and it's a killer, I don't game too often but when I use it it's a beast. Like all Alienware laptops out there.
Does anyone know what it means if the power button is yellow? ( i can't change the color) Seems like something is off...
Can i use the dockstation with this notebook? Dell Thunderbolt Dock WD19TBS, Dockingstation
Finally got mine too!! Took more than a month to come!! But really happy with the X17 my first windows device 😅…
Amazing with the review as always 🔥
Nice. What kind of specs did you get? I’ve ordered an x15 with a 3060 graphics card and 240hz refresh screen (because I needed the smaller laptop to accomodate uni productivity work and for gaming) and mine is supposed to arrive on September 22nd after I ordered it August 15. I’m just concerned it will get delayed even more, but if you’ve gotten yours recently then perhaps mine won’t get delayed beyond the expected delivery date 🙏
Bruh y'all swimming in money tho.
@@JstormZx lmfaooo
@@anmolverma7761 bruh heh, it might be funny.
But I was sincerely taken by surprise the way they were talking about it so casually
My guy, that money can feed a middle class family for at least 3 months.
@@JstormZx true that man. Im waiting for my budget friendly MSI laptop so that I could finally run some good Dota2. And yeah, people with different income backgrounds do talk differently about most things 😂
I wish dave sometimes includes how it looks on backpacks 🤔 even in that way you can still sponsor backpacks and get paid thats plus for but us we got to see how it looks and fits in backpacks ❤️ I SO HOPE DAVELEE SEES THIS AND INCLUDES THIS IN HIS UPCOMING LAPTOP REVIEWS
I would want to see this too
The x15 I think they showed wouldn't fit in their backpack, so this one won't lol
watching this video with one. it was a long wait but far worth it
This is the first video i see of your channel and i love you background bunker 😅
Good review. I recently bought myself an x17 (my first Alienware laptop) with the 4K display. I agree with most things in this review. The absence of a number pad on the keyboard is disappointing, but wasn't a deal breaker. Having all the connection ports on the rear is annoying. Speakers aren't that great, but I have just connected my external speakers so not a huge issue.
My main concern is how hot, not warm, but hot! it gets when I start playing games, despite the fans running flat-out and being loud as.
If you are looking for a new Alienware laptop, maybe hold out of the second series of this current line and hopefully Dell will rectify these current "flaws".
I wish they could make theses things cooler, but I don't think it's possible. In the summer it's so hard to keep my R4 from lagging bc it gets so hot. The one before this, I'd have to go outside in the fall/winter for WoW raids.
@@prviolist i just use throttlestop to limit my cpu (r4 with 1070) and manage to stay under 80°
Turn off your Turbo Boost and you'd be good to go.
Well that what happens when you pack high power into a thin package
Dell: you ain't get to review this unit
Dave: alright, i will do it myself.
Do you think with this laptops thermal capabilities the i9 is a good option or would you still stick with the i7?
In your opinion, do you think it's worth getting the FHD x15 for the sturdier build and better cooling (which I'm not sure by how much) over the similar priced QHD m15?
Such a beautiful laptop omggggggggg
Just tell me one thing, do you watch CZcams 24/7?
Do you 've life outside CZcams?
@@ManishaKumari-hw1lx lol
I couldn't care less how a laptop looks, as long as it got the right specs
If only it had a MUX… greedy cunts from Dell
Absolutely No one:
Dave: It doesn't have Advanced Optimus. (I am Advanced Optimus)
Great to see silver in Dave's hair :)
Your videos are awesome and this one is no exception! I have been planning to get that new X17 and I probably will!
does it power on (when you open the lid) like on other alienware laptops
Great review Dave! Just want to point out that there is also a QHD 240hz screen available as well. Besides that, thanks for the top quality review!
Isn't that only on the x15?
He's reviewing the x17
Yeah its dumb only 15 inch has qhd 240. Asus scar has a 17 inch qhd 165 hz option
That’s true, sorry I assumed that the 15 and 17 inch models had the qhd 240 hz screen
@@aarushmahajan2768 np. 4k 120 hz, 1080p 165 hz and 1080p 360 hz are the options
I have a clicky cherry keyboard and love it. The secondary key backlight issue is common in mechanical keyboards.
What do you do with older products, do you keep them for showcase, do you give them away or do you really use all of the laptops you get
Can anyone please share the link for the Alienware command center for X17 R1?
FX is disabled on the latest version.
I have been waiting for the X15/X17 reviews since some time. Awesome review as always Dave :)
I am too a sucker for the White aesthetics on any devices :)
This might be a bit over my budget, but I am hoping that there will be some good offers during Black Friday! Saving money for the X15.
BTW: I simply love the way you are using "Optimus Prime" in your video's. Too Good !!!
Ur da man Dave, i love it when Dell gets roasted publicly.. Dell went all out to improve thermals and rainbow trackpad this time, but the progress to see them come up with a solid end product could take a while. Next major upragde is audio and software department.
Would love if they added a second screen but who knows when and if that would happen.
man they really do make some beautiful laptops..i deff wanna get one some day and i dont really care for rgb but that trackpad is pretty sick
I like the x 17 but it's kinda out of my budget so what would you recommend in the place of that.
When you hear that someone producing hardware has bad software, you just know it is the best! :D
I've been waiting for this review for a long time. I actually ordered a 3070 because of the compact frienly size power brick, since my main priority is Gaming, 3080 is a wasted money and i don't like the gigantic heavy combat power brick. This is a straight forward review that DAVE2D all precise 👌. Im very excited to get mine before end of this month hope it is worth it. Nonetheless, Alienware never dissapoint me the fact that it will be my 3rd Alienware Laptop.
I'm thinking about potentially getting the 3070 as well. Do you know what the performance is like? How much faster is the 3080 model? Thanks...
@@EyeOfTheTiger777 sorry man, i couldn't tell you at this time since i didn't get mine yet. But i guess i doesn't much of a difference.
@@makata_pro1698 Thanks man, that's what I assume too. Enjoy!
@@EyeOfTheTiger777 you can see the difference on CZcams.
I’m new and what’s the difference between 17 and the new 16X that came out ?? I went to the dell website the model 16x new one ???
I have been struggling to decide between X17 and Razer 17, and I cannot find video comparison
Wow, 9:20 and u were wondering why they didn't send you review unit lol.
Speaking of the X17, no Advanced Optimus is an absolute deal breaker, I mean come on.
I'm not even a computer person, but I watch all his reviews, even his computer reviews because I just like his style of video and his honesty. I'm sure I'm not the only one like that.
Which game were you playing while showing the screen resolution option
What are the materials used in the build? All plastic?? Any metal?
I asked Alienware to delay your review unit so that my review could actually get some views.. lol kidding loved your review as usual Dave! You’re definitely an inspiration.
💀💀
I love this laptop, however it definitely does have some build quality flaws. I've had the plastic trim crack, albeit small.
Hardware and build Issues aside, it's been wonderful for rendering and gaming.
Does warranty cover that problem ? Thanks
@@luisfernando55 It does, it's covered under the standard warranty. I sent it in and had a replacement within a week or so.
Which was surprising, because Dell support is usually garbage.
I got the Asus strix scar 15 for my rendering needs since I have been seeing lots of the Alienware x series laptops having issues with keyboards not responding and some issues with the screens. I just hope I don't regret my decision
There's no numpad, so using it in blender for quickly changing camera view is not possible
@@magedmohammed6803 You won't. I love my Asus ROG Strix Scar G15, and other than the lack of a MUX switch, I have no complaints!
@Dave2D great video! I'm tring to decide between a Legion 7 w/ Ryzen 9 and 3080 or X17 I9 and 3080, any recommendation? Also, for the X17 do you have recommendation on screen?
plz i want to know, is wifi the only baked part of the laptop ?
Okay OEMs, please start putting decent speakers in these gaming laptops? I mean, listen to Dave’s heartfelt complains! He really means them! 😅
Simple. I see Dave2D, I click.
Do you guys have a recommended configuration for this for a 4K display?
is there an advantage withthis X17 over Macbook Pro? the GPU or the Windows / Mac OS for system and the programs you got to run ?
I suppose the advantage depends the tasks you will run.
I love watching things...THAT I CAN'T AFFORD :)
“Companies do this thing where they don’t send me devices when they know I’m gonna take a steaming dump on it”
Hmm… like a shark smelling blood in the water
the lumiy lighting you have is epic
Mr. Dave2D, that crib...it is straight out of the Matrix. So cool, it oozez cool. And come on, that roof lighting is simply delicately awesome!
Me watching this knowing I won't be able to buy it: hmm interesting
I was waiting for this review to purchase this laptop... good thing i didnt! I absolutely love it!
my brain just did suicide reading this
@@sien9492 He loves the review because it points out the flaws so he loves Dave because he saved him money. Maybe.
@@sien9492 Hahaha sorry, let me clarify. I needed a powerful laptop and this review took so long to come out that I am happy I took the gamble and got it a while ago. Because the laptop did not disappoint.
@@KungfufightU Now that "i didn't" makes sense to me, but my English is bad.
nah ur english is fine, the sentence is just poorly written
Hello how is ComfortView Plus activated alienware x17?
Does your deck make creaking sounds near the trackpad ?
X17 does not go to sleep when the lid is closed. 😂
Dell Designers, what the hell? 😂
You can change this in settings I guess. Search for setting named something like "lid close"
that’s not dell, you can easily change it
people are having a terrible time waking their W10 machines....
@@PCBuggs yea it will still wake up randomly from sleep and drain the battery, since Windows has no S3 sleep anymore
@@PCBuggs Doesn't work. It didn't work in X15 and neither does it work in X17. For some reason, there is no "lid close" setting for either of them. Also, this battery/powerplan settings do not have a lid close setting in them.