Trial Tube - The 2 Stroke Trials bike KING? - The Vertigo Nitro JBR 300
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- čas přidán 14. 10. 2022
- I am very excited this week as we have another youtube review exclusive!
The Vertigo Nitro JBR is a flagship bike model from a particular trial brand. This video may shock or even scare you as it is the spooky season!
With the type of history and development, this bike has had over the last 5-10 years They better get it right! Claiming this is the 2 stroke trials bike king may just backfire....
This bike was literally 20 minutes out of the box! I couldn't help but be surprised and shocked at the power and feeling.
The ultimate trials machine from the 2 stroke perspective! As well as our own take on some old-school outdoor/indoor sections. Let's find out!
Don't be afraid, This is TRIALTUBE!
A huge thank you for the bike supply and support from the guys at Camio MOTO and Vertigo UK.
Dude, that Halloween intro was SIIICK!
Haha cheers man!!!!
A work of art😍
couldn't resist - your review of the 23 nitro made me buy one
Haha awesome!
Danny I agree even on my R2 the throttle feels more connected to you. Maybe not as agressive as a well running carbed bike (TRS), but I feel more in sync with it and it does what I want and feels easy to dial.
Completely bang on!! Cheers man and don’t forget to share!
Please, please Vertigo, make a 300 hard enduro bike!
That’s a new one, I know they read the comments lol
@@TrialTube Yeah not quite in keeping with your channel, however theyre all 300 2 strokes and most of the other manufacturers and top riders come from trials so its not impossible they'd consider it. Fast growing sport, would be great to see a design that was outside the square!
@@nickd698 we like working outside the square!!!
@@TrialTube you outside the square..... hmmm hadn't noticed 🤣🤣🤣
Beautiful but as others have said, the fan noise 😮 I’ve observed trials and every Vertigo always sounds like it’s working harder than the rest. Beautiful though and the spondon-esk frame gets me every time. Enjoy your JBR.
I kind of don’t mind the fan lol but I get ya!!
Another winner! And people might have gotten testy about your Nitro review, but it led me to buy my 250 Nitro (which I am still loving). The fact that you were honest about its shortcomings let me know that I could also trust what you thought of its high points. Thanks for keeping it real!
Cheers man! Appreciate it and hopefully you told the guys where you purchased that from! We are trying to get more time to make the videos and for that we need as much support as we can get! 🤘🤘
The obnoxious coolant fan is a deal breaker for me. I wish they'd switch to a quieter fan.
It's like having your own Dyson onboard. 😅You Ok with that 'lean knock' noise though? Never mind Halloween; that noise is scary😩👻.
You're missing out. The bikes performance more than makes up for a little fan noise. You honestly don't notice it after owning one for a bit. It's just part of it. I'm too busy wearing a huge smile anytime I'm riding my R2 to care about a little noise.
I worry that you are missing the point, the ride is what you should be thinking about!
@@waynesimpson2074 the "lean knock" does confuse me. I own a R2 300. Oddly enough it is normally really good on the standard map. When you switch it over to gentle it knocks a bit. Also that knocking is after you let off the throttle, not while on it. You'd think the soft map would fight knock as it is richer with less agressive ignition timing, and yet...
It really is a mystery to me.
@@shawnmcginnis2508 Thanks for the honest insight into real world ownership. We all know that a £9k bike is great to ride but it takes a little bit more than that to convince us canny (tightwad💷💷) trialspeople to own one. Thanks again.😛
I can just imagine anyone not from the UK or even the North trying to understand what the guy from Camio Moto is saying. :D
I know right…that was sped up as well to help 🤣
Haha. Good on 👍
Bike looks amazing , I always wanted a set of green bars , just never had the balls lol ... Love the way the Busto Version has the protective sticker covering most of the frame , Good work Vertigo 🤩Quick Tip - Got the newer S3 adapters also in red , One complaint about them and how to fix it , If You crash and Your hand ends up near the edges of the (NEWER) S3 adjusters they are so sharp they rip Your gloves (and hand) The older versions had smoother rounded edges , , I filed them down until they were smooth and still easy to adjust ,
Sounds like a perfect observation to me and them adjusters are gonna have to get smoothened off !
Really enjoy your videos, Danny! I’ve never ridden a Vertigo but I’d like to try one. I’m curious if you found any downsides to the weight bias. I imagine traction is a bigger issue in 🇬🇧 than where I live because it’s pretty dry here.
Please keep the videos coming! I’ll keep watching and sharing.
Yeah it’s pretty wet here! Thank you for the comment and support!
Loving the Vertigo content. Tell us more about TrialTube Plus?
It’s coming up later this month! Available on the website! We will celebrate the launch 👍👍
Extra pint for the lighting guy 🍺
That’s also me!
Does rhe JBR have the flywheel weight like the R2/3 had?
Also you said they made the bashplate thicker. Was the first Gen nitro thinner then the R3? My R2 has held up much better then my scorpa or beta. Even thicker would be great, but I already was impressed with the stock one.
Barks ❤
It does!
That bike is lovely, great video. Going to get a Vertigo in 23, wont be this latest model though maybe a year old one. That fan noise is annoying though
Just try and ignore the fan, it’s worth it!
Brilliant bikes 👍 but for those of us who have to own a bike for two or three years at least, have they improved the chain tensioner bolt arrangement which wares away as you ride it !
Hi Richard,
I guess this is an ongoing problem that myself as an owner rah e to watch out for. I will keep you posted!
My R2 tensioner is showing wear now at 200hrs. If I had to replace it I feel like it's had a full life. But yes I do wish like you it wasn't a problem at all!
Hey Danny love your work, little question where did you get the carbon exhaust tip, I’m looking everywhere . Cheers Kev
Just come back to ya my friend 👍👍
Fun review, but one thing you never mention. It's easy to tell if a bike's a Vertigo, even from 100 yards away. The fans are always screaming. They sound just like my '94 KRoo did when the cooling fan motor was was going out! LOL!😁
Haha the K’roo was also the brightest bike in history lol,
I honestly don’t mind the fan noise it really doesn’t bother me lol
You ever heard a 1yo Scorpa fan lol? Now that's a screamer 🤣. I can pick at it, I own two lol. Like Danny said once you ride one a bit you really get used to the fan.
The camera does make it sound a bit louder as well.
Hi Danny, did you ever do a vid on the Jotagas> Thinking of buying a 300 just wondered if you had a view on them.
No never tried one but I did hear good things originally..
Would you ever do the SSDT Danny and Vlog it? Similar to BVM
Would love to but didn’t get an entry. I would film it but not sure a blog style is our bag. But I guess I always do things differently. Would put a crew together I reckon! The more support the channel gets and maybe one day we could. Right now I have two other jobs going to sustain the videos!
Omg Danny, more ham than porky pig !!!! Great review tho 👍
Danny have you had a chance to try a Dougie Lampkin Vertigo 250, 280, 300? After watching your review of the nitro 250 and 300 i'm hooked on Vertigo. In your 300 review you had said "clubman stay away from the 300..." Dealer has a Dougie Lampkin 280 but is it a snorting beast or more mellow with that mapping and setup? Any help appreciated :)
Not rode the 280 but the 250 is lovely!
@@TrialTube Thanks :)
Also the DL’s usually have a flywheel weight on (calming them down)
@@TrialTube Thanks :)
Any idea as to why the fan is too loud??? Can a more quiet fan be swapped out?
Probabaly but not sure why,
Of all 2022 models now only DL and Titanium are with 3-way Raiger shocks.
JBR 2022 has a cheaper 2-way Reiger while JBR 2021 was 3-way.
There has been some naughty cost cutting no doubt. Although the two-way works fine. But for the limited edition you have a point!
sorry tried to catch the brand of the rear brake bush you mentioned ? sounds like Piece Parts ?
Peter’s parts
@@davidevorider2002 where do you find it ?, nothing showing on google
Pete’s Parts - more info soon!
At the same price do you think it's better to buy a jbr 2022 or a nitro standard 2023? thank you
JBR by a clear mile (more for your money)
Thanks for keeping it real. Your channel is really helpful :) Where can i find Trail Tube Plus?
Just over a week away for TrialTube plus mate! It will be in our website
@@TrialTube That's great! Thanks :) God bless you for doing this work that helps us :)
@@iang7007 try my best buddy and really appreciate the support it’s a killa to make lol
@@TrialTube Thanks Danny! What will Trials Tube Plus have... what's the "Plus"... free Vertigo giveaway??? just asking ;) hahha
Haha I wish and it’s tutorials that are actually informative and will debunk the useless info at present. Easily understood and strategic learning to help people actually progress
Excellent review, I’m curious to know more about the e assistance, is it like all other electric starts or is it something different?
So I am told it just assists the starting of the bike. You can hear and electrical sound when you kick the bike over. It’s weird but obviously works!
I understand that it primes the fuel injection and ignition. I could be wrong. A lot of old blokes have trouble kicking the vertigo 300s quick enough to start them. It's probably a precursor to full electric start which should be happening soon.
@@timlewis5527 that’s a better way of explaining it! Thanks lol
The best thing would be to get a lower CC if people struggle.
@@TrialTube a bike dealer friend of mine said that if "x company" made a 500cc 2 stroke trials bike people would buy it...
@@timlewis5527 aye stupidity is contagious…
What’s the most powerful trials bike on the market, I like ‘em spicy. I had a nitro and sold it but it was on par with my Sherco factory
Anything fuel injected is more pokey! New Sherco or Scorpa May have the beans!
Hey everyone. If you were to start trials now, would you go for thermal or electric? Would you have any suggestions for a complete beginner?
While you can get them, go with the thermal!
@@TrialTube any specific model you would advise?
@@hugocunha7542 if you are an adult a 250 or even 200 is best to get going
bike looks mint danny but the prices of trials bikes these days are going a bit silly THERE A FORTUNE !! and i couldn't bring myself to buy a new 1 mate glad you said about the price of this 1 because they are silly prices . like to see new Sherco on channel cheers danny
I agree, ps the new Sherco is also over priced lol
@@TrialTube there all over priced it was supposed to be a cheap sport and used to cheap but now there taken the **** 🤭🤭
@@dannyscrimshaw78 I think the price of new EBikes MTB is way higher than trials bike for what you get some new ebikes hitting 8k and over
@@davidevorider2002 yeah your right there stupid prices as well but there getting higher & higher and there starting to jump out of some peoples budgets the vitigo is the highest not that i’m knocking the bikes because they look class but every bike had jumped up a Grand 😔
@@dannyscrimshaw78 it is crazy for sure. I suppose it’s still cheaper than any of the other off road sports. But at-least the bikes are the type of machines that you only really need to buy and then it’s a level playing field. Where as in many other sports the investment difference can project the performance. Look at MX for instance. More money = better opportunity.
Any comments on the '23 Nitro 225?
Yeah the 225 is an awesome machine and the 2023 colours are….not my fave! 🤣
@@TrialTube yea I like the green more
What’s the thing with… sorry hang on, WHATS THING WITH THE FAN BEING SO NOISEY FOR STILL 🤷🏻♂️
Honestly, I don’t mind the noisy fan. It’s no big deal to me. As long as the bike is kept cool
Yup they are noisey. When you own one you tend to forget about it. Also cameras are good about picking up high frequency noise so just like an electric trials bike's whine is more annoying on vid so is the Vertigo fan. I'm guessing noise has to be fan rpm related. Idk either way at least it doesnt do the annoying squeal Scorpa/Sherco fans start doing. Seems even low hour Scorpa/Sherco fans start wearing out and making all sorts of noise. They still run forever after, but just obnoxiously. Still when they are right they are super quiet and sure I wish my Vertigo was a bit quieter. Like Danny said though as long as the bike stays cool who cares. I'm way too impressed by the performance to let a overly loud fan steer me away.
Yeah it’s not the end of the world but when other manufacturers can make a quite fan seems odd vertigo have pick one that sound like it’s about the launch 🚀 for take off.
@@TubbyTrialTeam makes me wanna launch!
What in the world is that rattling sound?!! It sounds like the muffler bearing going bad on an old Kerby vacuum cleaner!!
Rattling sound???? Must investigate
Having over the years tried and sold GASGAS, OSSA, JTG, BETA, well, clearly GASGAS is where you want your money, easy to work with, never have a problem while the others have a lot really a lot. the Vertigo actually looks cool, but price wise, clearly outmatched by the new GG. Nice review though
The new GasGas is on par with the price of this bike…
@@TrialTube but has better plastic (u reviewed it), better brake pedal (you said it yourself), has Michelin Tires (not Dunlop cheap and hard as stone) and also is easy to work on. That's should sums it up...wkwkwkwk
@@arnauddechamps855 you are right, so was I. But the vertigo finds grip. (Even on the Dunlops). Also the GASGAS (new one is in short supply). I would be happy to ride a GASGAS if I could get one???
GASGAS have done all the right things and then not for the thing that the new bikes really require…..fuel injection. When are people going to learn. Scorpa and Sherco have taken the plunge and now have an eagerly awaited piece of machinery!
@@TrialTube and supply gonna get worse with the smart EU planning to cripple Industry...
@@arnauddechamps855 I haven't ridden a new gasgas, but I have ridden pretty much examples of all the other brands including gasgas from 2020-2021. There are a few things I can and will complain about with my Vertigo (R2 model), but I have yet to ride a bike that can match the performance and feel of my Vertigo. EFI just responds and feels different then a carb. I really like that feel. I also like that it doesn't matter of it is 90F. or 32F. outside. I pull my bike I out, give it a few kicks, let it warm up and go ride. It's simple. Carbed bikes are knocking in the cold, or hesitating in the extreme heat. Could I jet them for each condition sure. But it is currently 38F outside. 5 hrs from now it will be 50 something. Next week we will see 60's and then we will head down into the 40s and sadly soon enough 30's. I don't want to be messing with carb adjustments multiple times a week. I love simply starting my bike and having it work and feel the same as it always does regardless of the temp.
I also love the smooth precise power of my R2. The feel and delivery is something a carb just can't do. Now some people would rather a carb because it is more agressive. I can respect that, but for me and my style of riding I love the character of EFI and I wouldn't want to go back to a carb.
That's not play in the back brake pedal, that's a week at Alton Towers.
Haha what? But also makes sense!
I cant find trial tube +
It comes out this week on our website
So got the new 23 Nitro today - fuckin things covered in grease - thanks a lot cocker
That’s good to hear!!!
My only issue with the JBR is that it's horrible at getting traction. Or I was horrible at getting traction while riding it. More than any other 300 I've ridden this thing has way too much power. Even doing big stuff you'll constantly be watching that you don't overcook the throttle.
I have a feeling you needed a lower CC, as the 300 nitro has the most traction out of all the 300’s. I have tried them all. A bike is only as powerful as the right hand hand of the user is controlled…
@@TrialTube i normally ride a 300 4 stroke so I'm definitely not used to the power delivery.
@@timlewis5527 ah the plot thickens
@@timlewis5527 yeah that would be the difference. I actually find I do better then on the 4t because my R2 300 can idle down so low, not stall, and is so easy to modulate. When 4t guys get on my bike they don't use the awesome low end they provide and I think that is because of the fear of the sudden flame out 4ts are prone too.
It’s a technique change from 4 stroke to two stroke…… they grip better than something that has amazing grip!
I think the gasgas txt gp300 looks the best.
They are very good looking indeed
Subtítulos en español por favor🙏
I better work on that, sorry I will have to find out how CZcams can translate
Would you consider dropping the dog meme? I don't think it is as fun as you might think. Do need it in every video? What if you did something outrages, and shot a video and edited a video without adding any meme, skip the intro and drop the part where you explain the lines you ride? After all, we got eyes. And we can always re watch a part if we didn't get the line. That would save you editing work, and it would be easier to watch. And if you do feel extra foxy, keep the fun to the holidays. It was fun to watch your halloween intro and outro, it is not fun to watch all your meme's.
Thanks for the input Tian Johan, but “the dog” and bits and bobs were with us in the beginning and the videos are to appeal to everyone and there are kids that ask me about, “the dog” and bits and bobs.
I get people “don’t have the time” to enjoy content nowadays and just want the info up front. But we are transitioning more and more. Thanks for the comment and views as always!
@@TrialTube I get what you say,. You are not a TV station, a TV channel or a show that floats on catch frases or legacy random bits and bobs. You are targeting a niche. People are looking for shorter to the point videos and info these days, not videos that a packed with non related info. Why do you think TikTok is so big? We are dinosaur's, sure there was a time meme was all fun and giggles, but that has passed. You shouldn't relay on bits and bobs that are none related to your focus point. You do you, but I really think you should have a good thinking about it, let it ripen for a week or two and then decide if you are open to try out a new to the point editing. You don't have to marry the new way, but do consider a date or two.
@@tianjohan4633 now you see, my videos were shorter int he beginning and people liked the longer ones (like a Tv show) as they remember how fun all of that was. The most sucessful trials entertainment of all time was Kick Start. That was half an hour and people loved it.
This may be an u popular opinion but, I f#%^ing hate TikTok. Videos of people majorly without direction or in many cases talent or understanding. People looking to make a quick bit of fame. It’s for the low effort marketeer. Children.
CZcams has become the new age TV and produced content takes time and effort. I could do the cut to cut, to cut, to cut style but then how’s that gonna help? Some people watch these videos and know nothing about trials so I many ways every video maybe the first they have ever seen. But happy to take tips of anyone and everyone.
Good honest bad points review. You forgot that noisy as F@#k radiator fan tho.
That’s because it personally doesn’t bother me, I like knowing the fans on lol, I had a Beta that blew up once due to the fan not running so now I have some OCD about it lol
Fair enough. Looking forward to the RTL restore and the Yamaha pinky too.
this bike obviously looks good and works perfectly but with so mich technology in it theres hard to fix something. thats just straight fax
It is! People cannot mess around with it unless they want to break it!
It is! People cannot mess around with it unless they want to break it!
Idk that I'd say hard to fix. I DO ALL MY OWN BIKE SERVICE. I don't find anything really harder to do on my Vertigo then I do any other trials bike. Pulling the clutch requires a special tool. Jitsie sells one. I made my own because I can. Other then that the transmission and even crank can all come out without even pulling the motor from the frame. Cleaning the TB is as easy as pulling a carb and cleaning it. Technically easier because there are less parts to a TB. Airfilter... yet to see an easier one to get good access to.
I think a more proper wording of your post would be it's different then a carb bike which we all have grown up with and learned. Is there a learning curve?.... sure. Is it hard... no.
Fuel pump can be checked easily enough, and it's simple to replace if/when needed. TPS can be reset via wifi box. Simple mapping changes made with wifi as well in in certain conditions here it pays to make slight adjustments. No different then jetting a carb except I can do it in mere minutes via a few taps in my phone.
I've owned my R2 for two years now. I was afraid when I bought it because it was different and I have no local dealer support. Closest one is a 5 hr drive now. When I purchased the bike the nearest one was 10 hrs away. Vertigo USA assured me I shouldn't have any problems, told me all the regular maintenance is like and other bike or easier. Anything complicated I have their cell number an can call for tech support anytime I need... which is great except I really don't need any 95% of the time because there isn't much issue with the bike ever. It just runs, and now know the system it is just like troubleshooting a carbed bike. It's still a 2t. Got air? Got spark? Got fuel? Air is simple, spark is simple to check as well. Got fuel? Well worst case you grab a cheap fuel pressure gauge and give her a check. Pressure good/ pressure bad. OK or replace pump. 15 min job to swap pumps. Tps reading weird ok new tps. Really from there what else is there?
Like I said I was really scared to buy one from the other side of the US never seeing or riding one before. The tech scared me, but hey almost all modern street bikes are running EFI, cars have been EFI for quite a long time now. Snowmobiles have been using it for quite sometime now too. It's not some cray-z unproven tech. It's old tech that is finally making its way to the offroad environment and I am so glad I took a gamble on Vertigo. The bike has been amazing these last 2 years. Does it have some things I could gripe about... yup sure, and I did a 30 min review after 1 year of ownership of the bike and pointed out all the problems and flaws I had/ noticed with the bike. That said as of now there isn't any other bike I'd want to own except for a newer Vertigo.
@@shawnmcginnis2508 I have a Ossa tr280 factory model 2012 for 10 years now and the injection system is not a mechanical problem, it's works and don't think buyers have reasons to fear injection on the contrary. The main problem with the Ossa is it is difficult to start the engine, you need to spin the engine very fast and it is not easy because of the high compression of my model. The fact that the air fuel ratio is all the time ok is the best thing with a injected motorcycle. And what I love about the engine is that at very low RPM you can open the trottle and it never die suddenly. The Ossa is more difficult to work on than the Gas Gas or Vertigo, etc, but when you don't have to work on it it's not a big problem. The only major repair I had to do is to replace the crankshaft bearing and the shifting mechanism after a very bad hit on the shifter. Since the engine is a bit too strong for me I changed the trottle lever for a slow one. Ossa is sadly no more producing motorcycle but Vertigo seems to have a very good alternative.
@@shawnmcginnis2508 what an incredible insight and comment my fellow reviewer! Great time put into that one and so right!
Looks the bollocks. Really not keen on the sound of it though
I what way, too throaty? Or muffled? Deffo doesn’t “pink” like a carb bike?
Yeah I suppose it sounds a little muffled, almost has a 4 stroke sound to it if that makes sense. Im just use to the sound of a crisp carb bike, maybe the vertigo sound will grow on me. Definitely the best looking bike out by a long shot i think
@@Vanlifeandriding crisp carb bike! Still a good sound!
First ever trials bike head light review "not the best" 🤔
You don’t use them usually, although this one has its work cut out. It was way darker than the camera made out!
You don’t use them usually, although this one has its work cut out. It was way darker than the camera made out!
@@TrialTube can attest, 2019 Scorpa light not any better lol.
@@shawnmcginnis2508 ahaha maybe I should review all the headlights? They all suck equally lol