Trial Tube - Vertigo Nitro 300 2022 Review - Is it as good as their last bike?
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- It's time for the channel to shift into NITRO!
I couldn't resist, this video has been on the cards here at the channel for the last few weeks but we just haven't been able to get the time in-between all of the other awesome content that we have created in X-TRIAL.
However we feel that this will be the best review of the Vertigo Nitro by far as we even travelled to the factory to get some insight on the bike build itself.
No one else does that and makes that sort of effort for their subs!
Find out if we thought this new and exciting machine is the new king of the two stroke bikes in trials. Or just the king full stop.
This weeks video has been helped along by the guys at Inch Perfect and their incredible venue!
So grab a beer and get ready because THIS IS TRIAL TUBE!
Thanks for the honest review. I like the plant tour too.
Great review as always. Informative, honest and entertaining. Keep it up.
Thanks man really appreciate the comment and views!!!
Thanks Danny. I like the fact you look at this from a ‘living with the bike’ perspective. Really important that. I would love a 300 it would feed my ego. But I know 250 is more than enough. Great review
Great comment bud and we all have to live with it! That’s what matters. Also I think a lot of people get a 300 out of ego and too scared to admit it can be a handful too much lol
Great review danny! Thanks for your honesty.
Well that’s the only way!!!
Respect for being honest.
entertaining video as always.
Cheers and not sure it will do us any favours but we do it for you guys!
Got to ride the 250 Nitro yesterday and my dealer put me on the list today. So stoked! Thanks for the honest review!
I hope you told the dealer that we were part of the decision making process hahaha? Which one was it?
@@TrialTube Ordered the 250 from Bill Merritt in Southern California. Now just waiting for the shipping date. What a lovely machine it is!
Incredible man and hope to see you on it soon!! (Pics etc as California isn’t around a corner for me)
Fame at last! 🤩 Great video Danny. Especially enjoyed the parts department review 😂Great to see you up at Inch Perfect. Look forward to your next visit 👍 is this one mine?
Cheers bud and it was a great day. I will be back sooner than you think!
Great review Danny thanks! There's a lot of talk in the comments below Danny about 125 and 200 being the great starter through clubman bike. i have a friend here in Oregon who's ridden the Scottish 6 days 11 times and used to race pro motox. Really nice guy who just came off a Montessa Repsol 260 he was on for years and went to an R3 Vertigo 250 that he then kitted up to a 280 with flywheel. (Rode that and it was so sweet :) But here's the thing, i'm that newer rider who used to ride moto 20 years ago (although not very well ;) and i have a '22 Beta Factory 200. Actually took a poll in my trials club of a few bikes when i was looking for my first bike and that came out ahead. So i found one (lucky hard to do) and got it. My friend rode mine the other night at his indoor setup. 24" inch logs, rocks, tighter space. His conclusion "really like this bike, fantastic in this tight space... super easy to balance... but in the river or bigger sections i want the stability of my Vertigo". When i rode his Vertigo i saw what he was saying. And honestly liked the stability and tractor grunt of it rather than the zing of the 200. Don't get me wrong the 200 is nice, but the Vertigo with a bit more engine just felt so solid under me... more inspiring for learning zaps etc i think. I have to learn the engine no matter what i'm on. And you can tame the engine back... gasket, gearing, flywheel, slow turn. But you can't find more power than you start with (i.e. 200 vs Lampkin 280 say). And the handling, i'd like that to stay consistent for a long time (i.e not outgrow the 200 in a year move on to another bike...) and keep getting more solid on the bike i ride. I'm hoping for a multi-year bike... they're spendy and i want it to be my friend like the bmx bike i rode into the ground as a kid. Or am i way off (in more ways than one... hahah :) ? What's your thought on the smaller bike vs moderate bike for learning more obstacle work? Thanks :)
Very good video. Nice job like always danny
Appreciated and happy to deliver back to back bangers!
Great honest review 👍
Cheers man I try my best for the viewers!
@9:32 One of my favorite shots of the back fender flex...and with that water shaking off the side, soo satisfying.
@9:48 You make that hop seem so effortless; makes me wonder if my shockies are set up right lol
Cheers that shot was very satisfying to shoot and that move is down to technique and timing. I have the standard settings on the rear and a two clicks up on pre load of the forks 👍
Great replies to the comments Danny a lot of channels don't reply these days .
Yes totally agree
Well it’s important to engage with the people that take the time to watch the videos I really appreciate the support!! So cheers 👍👍
Great video 🤘🏼
Thanks guys and hope to see you both soon (and parents)
What a video!
Thanks WOB!
Thanks for the great review. I was leaning heavily towards the nitro but a hand built bike that cost more than the competition with no grease, shock bolt interface issue and the ecu staying wet, forks need alignment and this are the problems found in only a couple weeks of ownership. Makes me wonder what else may have been overlooked or left loose that will become a problem. If the folks from vertigo are watching we or at least myself need some reassurance that there is a in house investigation and solution as to why bikes are leaving the factory that are not ready to be ridden in a mechanical or safe condition.
In all honesty they are still the best bike off the the assembled line and all the bolts were green spot checked. Maybe I have a Friday machine. As last time around the R3 was incredible!!
Hi Dallas, you're totally correct when it comes to expected quality especially when you factor in the low volumes and high prices we trials people are paying for our toys. At the risk of sounding like a statement from the Ministry of the Bleedin Obvious; trials bike brand/model selection is an incredibly personal decision making process e.g. I have weighed up all the negative aspects of owning various brands (and they all have there faults) but then, when I put in some peg-time on a demonstrator, the overriding feeling of whether you 'gel' with the bike is paramount, every other consideration is secondary....short version 'its horses for courses' .We're all different and also fortunate to be living in a time of so many manufacturers/options, enjoy yourself it's later than you think?
P.S. For Danny to point out the Nitro short-comings is very noble and I hope Vertigo digest the feedback.
@@waynesimpson2074 it’s a risk I have to take to ensure the channel stay neutral. But my decision to own one says a lot!
Great honest review as always.. 👌 completely agree with your comments near the end about gasgas having the best bike 😉 🤣
so good they haven’t changed it in 10 years😭😭😭😩🤣😇
Think maybe second generation nitro will be the bike to beat but for now I’d lean towards the R3..
Well that’s always the way with first generation. It’s an improvement on the last bike in many ways but he R3 was the best version of the last!
Dream building in the first opening shoot lov that bike, another amazing episode well done
great rider danny i'm going down inch perfect soon i'm just a beginner like need to learn & pick up some tips & get things right mainly MX guy Enduro Trials new to me but i LIKE IT keep up the good work mate.
Awesome buddy and mention me when you get there by all means!
They are a great bunch and well worth the visit!
@@TrialTube will do mate
love this chanel
Love you watching this channel!! Cheers man!
Good vid, I actually found it mega soft on the bottom where most clubman would ride the bike, never ask for big handfuls of power in the stuff we ride.
Definitely has it when you need it though 👍
No clubman should bother with a 300. Unless compensating. 250 is plenty. 200 is better.
Cheers lad
@@TrialTube why when we don't go past quarter throttle 🤣 thanks for putting vid together anyway, good to have different people's opinions. 👍
@@talesofaclubman ride a smaller CC and use the full Rev range? If you don’t go past quarter throttle you need a smaller CC. Simple.
Most clubman are “over biked” it’s tough to hear but true.
My dad used to be one of them and he won beat clubman at the Vic Britain a number of times..
Since selling his 300 and going back to a 125 and then a 200 he has won the clubman route consistently using the lower CC’s bikes full potential.
Most “men” buy the bigger bike out of some misjudged belief that bigger is better. Even a sturdy built chap doesn’t need all that power of they don’t understand it. Using a big CC on only quarter the throttle is simply poorly informed purchasing.
Thanks for the comments 👍
@@TrialTube but clubman don't want to buy new bikes every year, so maybe that's why they buy bigger cc to then grow with it and just use what they want interms of power. 👍
@@talesofaclubman Sure thing. Most sales in the UK and Europe of new bikes are through clubman purchasing and guys that ride for interest of the sport. That’s just shown on yearly bike sales. As the hundreds of bikes sold every year are not purchased by top flight riders.
Most of the time top riders don’t even make a dent in keeping the sport alive. (Due to sponsorships and deal etc)
It’s the clubman enthusiast that is the backbone of new bike sales. Bought out of interest and love for the sport. With most being at a point in their life where they can afford the newer machine that they always wanted. (The pandemics new bike sales have shown that.)
But it may be different up towards you? I just know the figures and selling trends.
Each to their own though. 👍
Not directly nitro related question but do you recomend stiffer suspension springs for riders in the 220 pound range?
Thinking about re springing my r3 but also considering a new R4/Busto version .
I briefly tried a nitro and had the impression that the forks were softer than my r3.
Felt too soft for my body weight.
I would if I were you.
Hi Danny, Very accurate review. I collected my Nitro 300 last November. Love the bike. Amazed at the lean 2 sttoke mix 30cc.
Water on ECU is a pain but it is waterproof (thank God). Needs full clean out/ dry out each ride and a dose of WD40 on the terminals.
I took out linkage and shock last week to grease. Mine had 'sufficient' grease and was good but gave it a good smathering anyway. All bolts have a green mark leaving factory to confirm they were checked for tightness. Mine was 100% as I checked everything before riding. Agree the dog bones are extremely....extremely close to shock bolt so a spacer is a good suggestion. Did you grease the Head Stock bearing? What are your thoughts on drilling and inserting a grease nipple in the head stock? Thanks again for reviews. Matt
Matt what a top comment song very informative so thank you!
I will be popping a grease nipple in the headstock pronto tbh!
@@TrialTube Thanks for the tip about the grease nipple :)
Thanks for the tip about the grease nipple :)
Great review 👏 have you had chance to use the em epure at a trial yet?
Not yet but that’s coming!
So the takeaways are it has great power/grunt, gets good traction, good gearbox, smooth compliant bouncy suspension......hmm what else ? the fly wheel weight, some more discussion on this would have been good, at one stage you imply it needs it and in another that maybe it doesnt ?.....................also how is the steering ? turning circle ? tendency to tip in or push the front ? balance ? clutch (drag ?)? brakes ? does the front elevate easily ? (think you implied that)......keen to hear more on how it actually performs compared to your R3 and the other brands eg GasGas etc. I get the pre-delivery was a bit lacking and maybe the ecu area could do with better waterproofing. On that ecu thing, how wet did the electronics on the R3 get ? I've never checked mine so dont know but will have a look next wet/muddy ride............keep hearing great things about the new 225cc 200 bike, sounds like the ultimate Clubman bike
I guess I will have have to go even further down the rabbit hole!!!
Hi Garry- I tried the 225cc motor in an R3 at Inch Perfect last year - Nick from Vertigo had one as a test mule (I ordered a 250 R3 shortly after riding it) . Can honestly say it's an incredible engine that finds grip everywhere and hard to believe it's only 225cc. Would make a superb clubman bike IMO. May well be my next bike when I change again in '23.
@@robhoyles2430 I believe the 200 bike is so under rated and a great piece of kit!!
Great video…..be good to see a comparison test 300 v 250 nitro. Anything in the pipeline?
Of course. Let’s get producing!
Great review, Im looking at older Vertigos but that is poor that the ecu gets wet on a spanking new top line trials bike. 'oh no, hang on lads I cant do that section through the river, ecu might get nuked' .. most bizarre. Would be good if you can do some reviews on older bikes like 2017 2018 > as well for those of us not buying new. cheers
Well the ECU got wet on the old one and the connectors are “waterproof” I just thought he idea of the new separate housing unit was to stop all of that? Which I am sure it will now that I have pointed it out to a few people lol
@@TrialTube Ahh right, cheers. Good to know!
@@trading-university. TrialTube do a review on the R3
Danny - it would be great to see a Vertigo Nitro 200 vs the Beta 200 EVO Factory. I'm trying to decide if I stay with a 200 or go to a 250. I ride an EVO 200 factory now
I will have to try and get a hold of the 200 nitro lol
@@TrialTube do it! Would be a good comparison of the only two brands that have a 200!
Hello how was the gear change? Was it hard? And the clutch was soft and good? Thanks
Gear change feels good and the clutch also felt great
@@TrialTube Thanks a big hug from Toledo (Spain)
@@ArenitasTrial amazing to have Spanish viewers!! Don’t forget to share!
i think they are overlooking just how versitile a morrisons bag on the ecu could be. just get the uk importer to get diego to pop one in the box as a uk upgrade. Or add them to the merch options danny and your make a mint at 5p a bag.
This is my favourites comment!
Very impressed with the double step-up by the RedBull feature. for a first attempt and a clean, very impressive. 🙌
Intrested to know if there is any clutch drag ? What’s it like warm- Sat in First gear, clutch lever Pulled in? Does the bike want to run away ?
It’s only a littlun mate… no clutch drag issues but I have changed the settings to number 3 on the basket also to stiffen her up!
@@TrialTube , looked quite tech regardless, fair play. I’ve a mate who has a ‘21 version and it continues to want to run away even with the clutch disengaged. He’s having to hold it back constantly, it’s less than 6 months and hardly any miles on it. Everyone he speaks to says “they just do that”, so keen to hear your thoughts
@@simondavies1983 oh wow and I haven’t had that twice. Maybe call Vertigo UK as “it just does that” isn’t good enough…
@@TrialTube Danny you must have ridden a few Vertigo’s , Or mates with them , presume you just haven’t come across that at all ?
I know when my Beta has been stood and I start it up, knock down into first it shoots off. But once it’s warm, or oil changed etc, it can sit in first or 3rd with clutch lever in and not want to pull away. This is diff - he’s having to hold the bike back, or let the pegs push against his calves to stop it from moving. Likewise when stopping, when he pulls the brake he can feel it want to over run …..
I had a vertigo 21 works and that suffered with clutch drag. Inch perfect took it back and did all the mods and it improved but I did find it starting to come back after a few months. My mate had same bike and did same thing.
straight off the block what has more early power - EM race or nitro ?
Nitro no doubt
Ooops…commented too early. Look forward to the comparison video 👍🏻
Hahahaha so do I mate (and the making of it!)
Thanks for the review. How much better is in your view a nitro 2022 than a combat 2019/20? Cheers.
Massively better
@@TrialTube thanks. I’m a novice/barely clubman, would be safer on a push bike, but I love the looks of the vertigo…
@@miro_s that’s enough reason to get one!!!
Does a trial bike need break in? If it does could you tell me how to break in?
They do, like any new engine. 3-4 good rides should do it and a gear box oil refresh. Don’t over Rev it though!
Rear sus stroke from vertigo site:
R3 - 170mm
Nitro - 170mm
So where is the gain?
Are all modern trials bikes the same 170-180mm?
What is the stroke then? It is not the shock travel, shock travel is much shorter (about 40mm).
And here is the TRS spec: Stroke-travel: Rear wheel stroke 168mm.
@McV you beat me to it!
@@MrDehicka TRS travel is further from the ones I have seen. (Broken linkages) lol
Hope you enjoyed the visit to the Vertigo factory- I don’t think you will be invited back 😂❤️
Well hopefully we should be if they don’t throw the toys out the pram. Honest reviews are exactly that. Honest 🙈🙈
@@TrialTube your next bike from Vertigo will be better prepared the Bustos, now they know the power of trialstube ❤️
@@grahamcraggs3045 well let’s hope so lol
I looked into, the no grease thing,, lots of grease on assembles,,,on my 2022 300cc
Well I can only report on my own machine. I know at the factory they were doing it ( as I said) but then loads of bits were not as the were on my R3. The the forks were fitted uneven on mine.
👍
Danny you should do a 125 vs 200 for older or younger riders
I agree. So I will!
@@TrialTube and see which is best because i ride a 125 on the clubman course and it suits me fine
@@Girraffe_o_ great call! My dads rides the 200 Beta and previously rode the 125 and wins clubman often. The common mistake by the inexperienced is that the bigger Cc’s work better of you are a big guy. Half of them are “over biked” easily. My dad won best clubman at the Vic Britain trial. So I would say he is the description of a clubman and has never rode better since being on a smaller CC
@@TrialTube yeah I can understand my dad used to ride 250’s all his life and in 2012 got a 300 beta and won every trial he rode on the green course until he fell out with trials 6 months after buying the bike
@@TrialTube he rode the pollock and won the masters class
The old rear mudguard and exhaust made the vertigo unique not a fan of the back end now. I can't understand the no grease thing with manufacturers of trials and enduro bikes...
I think it is a bit marmite but it really does breath better! The sound is also awesome!
@@TrialTube yeah it's sounded really nice just mud guard looks abit beta ish lovely bikes tho stand out like the ossas used to. Keep up the reviews 👍
@@DURHAMHARDENDURO they do indeed and I loved the different style of the Ossa (must get one on the channel) I just hope they continue their ascension to greatness!
And then u hope the support on the newer models is better then the older. Although a R1 is only 5 ! ! years old they became a pain to maintain. Vertigo does not support the older electronics anymore. an expensive update is the only solution.
Besides that they should supply a free service manual.
They have progressed very fast but most of the progression has been needed and the bikes are awesome to ride!
7:50 you are naughty! :D :D
I know!!
It’s sounds like an ossa from 2014, if only they had no gone down shi88er…?
I loved the Ossa!!
i preferred Berta Abellan's description of the Nitro,couldn't understand a word she was saying but who cares!!!!!!
Sorry I am not female, or better looking. Or paid by Vertigo? Mind you, was she? Or she wouldn’t have left. Mic drop.
@@TrialTube nailed it 🎤🎤🎤🎤
I’ll have to look forward to her description of a Scorpa now then.😀😀
Excellent review of the bike, but not enough dog in the video. NO!
I will fix that!
One day I hope to have such an erect mudguard that wobbles from the vibrations
Seriously cool shot of the mudguard
Cheers!! I liked that one
Sounds like a bag of nails compared to a 22 300 GasGas.😂
Said like a true fan of GASGAS we have one of those coming soon on the channel!
Mike, it could be just the sound compression for digital upload but yes, my old ears hear a 'lean knock' after Danny revs up and snaps shut...I'm sure with that fancy FI that it's not like that in the flesh?
@@waynesimpson2074 you are right my little on board mic doesn’t give the crisp sound it’s justice!
@@waynesimpson2074 You're probably right, but pinking is pinking.
should go back to beta Danny
Haha not sure on that one
@@TrialTube shame
@@Girraffe_o_ well I can never say never hahaha they need to get injected first
31 hp…
True but the way it’s delivered is at an instant!
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Congrats bro!!
Another pretty good review. You didn't mention it, but in the end, isn't the R3 better than this Nitro ? ;-)
Cheers, that’s a pretty good comment ;-)
You are right I will address this!