I Tiled This PEBBLE SHOWER PAN and it FAILED!!!
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- čas přidán 27. 04. 2022
- This pebble tile shower pan we installed five years ago became stained and the grout became soft and fell out in places. So we decided to employ a tile over tile technique to solve the issue. For the repair we used a porcelain tile instead of stone, so that the staining won't happen again. For the grout, we chose Laticrete Spectralock 1 so that it would never need to be sealed since it performs the same as epoxy.
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I’ve never seen a more conscientious tile contractor than Isaac. The guy is just plain doing it right. And when mistakes happen or products fail, he doesn’t hide behind an unanswered phone or email. He addresses it and if something can be learned from it - he takes the lesson and he is gracious enough to give all of us the opportunity to learn as well. Absolutely outstanding. Keep up the genuine and transparent and honest work Tile Coach! And THANK YOU for such great information and training over the years. Much appreciated!!!
I always worked with the mantra 'If you don't have time to do it right the first time, how are you going to find time to do it over'. Now I was what most would consider slow. But in the 15yrs i did tile and flooring the only 3 call backs i had were product failures. I still fixed all 3 call backs labor free because i always wanted my customers to be satisfied 100%. 75% of my work the last 5yrs i installed was from repeat customers. Not saying im the golden child of tile setters by any means. I had my fair share of screw ups during installation but i always resolved them right then and moved on. I really appreciate you showing vids like this! Thank you!
You should retitle your vid. Your shower pan did not fail. The tile product did. Don’t sell yourself short Isaac. Nice end result
I agree 👍
Clickbait gets views.
I would actually take a slightly different view. The grout did fail but I would bet good money that most of this would have been avoided if the customer sealed the shower floor properly over time. The grout can only do so much if it is being degraded and not maintained.
@@TheDkbohde I agree it's partly maintenance , that water looks to have alot of minerals, and the cleaining of the channel etc. Very few peple have the tenacity to reseal, hence better choice for material for these customers.
He's going for the click bait
Nice that your standing by install even 5 yrs later. Yes, price worked out w/ client (& not our biz if don’t tell), but showing up & fixing w/ a meeting of the minds is a nice thing to do👍🏻. Some companies would not go back or sell complete new shower etc….
INTEGRITY 👍🏻, also, tech power grout, won’t use it cuz just so many issues.
Cheers guys✌🏻
You are a honest and reputable guy! Love your channel!
Very impressed you came back and took care of your customer. A lot of guys would be in the wind. Nice job
I use epoxy grout for all pebble floors, definitely never crumbles. I appreciate your vids man, makes me better for sure
Bringing your best to your customers and the Tube and sharing all that with who ever is open to receive it. Gotta Love it!
When I tile over existing tile I grind the existing tile with a cup wheel grinder hooked up to a vacuum to get the grime/sealers etc. of the surface - you will have a clean surface to bond to and get a better bond to existing that way - Limestone in showers its a big no no for me. No matter what sealers you use you end up with a mess. I had a situation where the surface of the limestone was damaged/crumbling away by the water from the shower head. Wish you the best and keep up the good work.
Thank you for posting, and can I guess the water in this area is not the best ? Most folks probably don't have filters on their water supply lines either. I noticed a lot of staining.
Thank you for the phone consult. Very helpful. Your videos and a few others have imparted a great deal of knowledge for building showers. Happy I went with a pro, because good outcome needs knowledge plus experience.
I aplaude 👏 you! Finding a man of his word on this days,is not easy !! Strong hands shaking to you my friend
Much appreciation as always, thank you so much. I love watching your videos, your tips have always been helpful and educational :) also I love that grout mix! It leaves such a nice shine to it! Makes me feel like it’s going to last lol keep up the good work coach!!
That’s very smart transition at the entrance. Never thought of it. And that must be a lot of work to get it right for every tile
You can also use that aluminium tile end trim which usually is used on niches it works also on floor transition when there is height difference and gives nice finished look.
I loved that transition work,, seeing creative and skilled work solve a problem, is always a plus for me.
I did not see how the raised channel with a space below to the pan, was solved. I'm guessing the mortar filled the side of the channel black plastic down to the bottom of the plastic side, and then a gap to the bottom of the pan?
@@mr.wizeguy8995 that’s easy and most common and basic way
Great solution and outstanding customer service. You should get some great referrals out of this call back.
Truly respect you Isaac. A good man and a great tile contractor.
Good man for standing behind your work!!!!! Two things i would done differently lightly clean surface hydroban the top of tile just because of that spectacular grout thats was there and the entrance i would have looked in to the schluter edge ramp finish! Great work!
Great choice on that stacked tile.
They remind me of the tried and true 3 tab roofing shingle.
Nothing for the water to stick to. Just plenty of key ways to hit that drain.
Keep up the great work my man👍
Thx for this and all the rest of the videos youve helped me along my journey of being a tile pro helping my buisness
Same bra! Thanks tile coach.
🙏
Pretty cool that you stand behind your work.
Good job, you set a good example for contractors 👍
I have a feeling that you will end up with the same issues cuz the slope, mold, and draining issues were not addressed, just tiled over.
Tile Coach is king.
That looks great. It's nice to see someone owning something that really wasn't directly caused by you. You could've easily said it's been 5 years sorry. That hopefully leads to the customers spreading the word and getting you more business
Wow! Excellent fix buddy!
Great solution and outcome. Good work all round!
Much respect for making it right love your videos, GOD BLESS
Awesome job brother, great idea. Own it, fix it, happy customer.
Thanks for these videos Issac.
What a class act! Consummate professional.
Isaac, very cool videos. absolutely precious channel, filled with amazing information!
Super positive attitude.
You didn’t fail. The manufacture of the product failed. Period. You, went above and beyond when you didn’t have to. This is an example of how every business should conduct themselves. Caring about the customer, especially when a product fails through no fault of their own.
I’d be so proud if my children turn out like you.
Also, now I need to see about some goats lol!
The installer holds responsibility for final product approval. By installing a product the installer approves it. Product knowledge is part of the reason people hire professionals. Any time I have a product I'm not okay with I recommend a replacement and require signed acknowledgment if they choose to ignore my recommendation.
Isaac I am a tile installer in the Lexington Ky are and I am a big fan of your U-tube videos and I’d just like to say thanks for your guidance. I am also a recovering addict and I have all the respect for you
Awesome! Thank you!
Nice job solution coach!
You are a bad ass brother, thank you for your knowledge and humbleness 👏,better said you and your crew 👍
Nice repair Isaac 👏🏽
I have watched 2 of your videos in 2 days that have me worried to death about the showers I put in my house 4 years ago. I did these pebbles in one & the Schluter drain in another. My occupation is the thing that goes between a computer & a telephone so I am by no means a tradesman. I wish there had been more videos like this back then. I must have watched the Schuter video 20 times before & during the installation.
I tiled over one of the bathroom floors & it seems like there was a primer I used.
looks great,i wont be using pebbles ,or that nasty grout,glad you talked about the black tape around the grate frame,i was suprised you got that frame up so easily ,nice job
Maybe some eco prime grip?
Your The Man!
I would have etched the stone and primed it before setting anything else on top. Epoxy grout is the only grout to use in a shower floor if you want longevity.
It natural stone you would only need to do that if it was porcelain or ceramic ya it wouldn’t have heart.
You do amazing work and stand tall behind it. Not many contractors like yourself around it seems. I think it looks great but I'm not sure I'd be completely comfortable bonding to a failing layer of material especially on such an important area. 🤷
🇺🇸💪🏻👊🏻🤙🏼
Nice work broski.
Ayy finally some good products! Spectra lock epoxy grout is the ONLY grout that should be used in a bathroom or kitchen.
I chose the solid grate.
It totally seemed like electrical tape. I thought the same thing. Those drains are trick. Really appreciate the look
The man back mitered tile. Wow. Just wow. The level of conscientiousness cannot be overstated.
Not really a miter but just beveling the edge
Looks great 👍
Thank you so much for sharing
Nice vid. Is the linear drain full of gunk? More stabila and megalite.
You can use a porous stone for a shower floor, but you need to seal it and re-seal it every few years or so (depending on the stone). I used natural slate on a floor and it was beautiful and never had any issues. For mosaic pebbles like those, I would seal them before setting them and again after....
👍👍👍👍 still not worth the potential headaches you dont know how people are gonna maintain their showers if its yours sure but for customers its a no no in my books .
@@johne8907 The slate was over an old-fashioned dry-packed pan and they were just 4" squares so in my case it should last (good tap water also). But yeah, you want easy and durable for most cases.
I just finished installing some sliced pebble tile on a shower floor but I decided to peel off each and every stone from the mesh and install them one by one.
WHY?
Because many pebbles/stones were way too close to each other (even completely touching) which means grout will never get there but water WILL and that will cause damage. I have it on my CZcams channel to show future customers that if they choose similar pebble tile, my price will increase accordingly because I have to break away every pebble from (fiberglass) mesh and install it one at a time.
I noticed some of the stones on your floor had no room for grout all around them so I guess water may have gotten under in some places and that could be a possible explanation for (some of) the damage!?
Anyway, kudos on going back and standing behind your work!
Lol. I love seeing the goat's clearing the grass around sac.
Had the homeowner sealed the limestone, you probably would have never had that happen. Marble does the same thing if not sealed on a regular basis.
The homeowner isn't a tile contractor.
@@c_mac7773 the homeowner assumed it was done right the first time I guess. Haha
Limestone is just a bad choice for a shower where it's always gonna be wet and doesn't have enough time to dry, it starts to decompose crumble.
@@philup6274 no but if I pay a guy to cut my grass I shouldn’t have to go out after he’s “done” and edge my fence line.
@@philup6274 ur a fool
Thanks again coach
2;27 grind down the tile transition & stain it, seal, & use profile &/or grout to cover the grinding/sanding it down so not horrid lipage etc…
Think May work out, & yeah, whomever gets the grinding/sanding etc,,job it’s gonna suck; but might/should work….
Really do hate grout, industry as it’s so “delicate” in scheme of things, & so….we usually do acrylic based or epoxy on tiled floors (or entire job too) unless customer really wants certain brand/look…. We also always seal the tile job before grouting & then seal another coat after everything is finished. Does take some extra time & cost….but worth it, imo & experience (especially for certain tile that needs sealed!).
Cheers Isaac, really do like your vids/channel. Just so cool (also hope git money from super hat sticker after stream ended, sent before ended but some reason posted when was ended.
✌🏻
The remedy looked better than the river rock did imo. And Im surprised you gave her such a deal on this considering the issue doesnt seem to have been caused by anything your installer did on the original install. But it does show how great your character is
I'm left wondering if you pre-floated the floor properly. Does that floor have enough slope? I find that if I use a porous material and put extra slope on the mud surface underneath, it drains fast enough to not allow the mold and grout issues you have.. Also, I use a water proofer like red guard in EVERY shower floor I do.
Looks like a good fix! I would be scared of putting thinset over mold or mildew that is embedded in the old grout.
At the very least I would have saved the stone then steam cleaned the floor.
Then why is it a "good fix?"
@@edwardl.990 Well, it looked good anyway 🤷🏻♂️🤔
The way cement is made now adays mold isnt gonna do anything
@@johne8907 IDK 🤷🏻♂️ That shower is only five years old. Look at that grout. It’s falling apart?
I did a big shower floor like three or four years ago, just like that. And the natural stones actually brought out rust from the iron in the stones
Yes, but it was 5 years nothing last forever, like most people expect it should. Being a great professional, and having a heart of Gold also. Great jobs 👌
Great save man. Tons of integrity I love it. Hey an you do a vid on how much your paying for material now compare to a year or two ago?
Great fix on that transition! Don't you just love laying in bed at night thinking about work?
Oh yeah, those goats are crazy
Do you used any kind of primer on the river rock or just thinset on top of it ?
Hey Isaac.. could be possible redo tile over the glass penny tile ?
As a house cleaner I would remove grates and clean down as far a I could reach then rinse and replace grate. That should be done regularly. I have wondered whether different hair and body products have different effects on tile, grout & glass. Not all “dirtied” the same.
Great question, with how some of these body care products are made with so many chemicals, i could see that being a potential issue. Also could just be the water itself depending on where you live and quality of water.
@@Aaron86v Same thoughts, thanks to both for commenting !
Great job Isaac. The tapered tile at the entrance was spot on. Unfortunately we as contractors are the ones that look bad when the manufacturers products fail to perform and leave us holding the bag.
How would this get done with a non linear Schluter drain? Can you raise that also?
I've had alot of issues with Power Grout. Mainly it being different shades after it dries. I called the manufacturer & their recommendation was to mix the WHOLE bag at one time. Now idk if anyone's ever mixed a whole bag of grout at a time but by the time it takes to wipe off the first section of tile you grouted you're bucket of grout will turn into a cement block & be completely unusable or your bucket will damn near melt from the chemicals releasing so much heat. Either way I dont see how its possible to mix an entire bag in ANY situation. It would have to be an industrial job with a team of people to do that but yea I quit using Power Grout after that. It seems to me the manufacturers have never used their own product a day in their life!
very clever
Hello Isaac , so what’s your recommendation in this situation , when home owners want pebble stone in the shower pan ?
In case they just don’t want to change to another tile ,
I heard that never never used single component grout , / pre mix grout in pebble stones , And when I do install pebble stone , after it’s grouted I always seal it
you should just be honest with the customer. just be like “hey we can install this for you but I can’t put any warranty on this shower because it’s very porous and known to fail”. I bet you that will make them change their mind. And if they still want it, then that’s on the customer. Isaac’s mistake was helping them to choose this material
Way to go !
I need your help! I have a pebble stone shower. The grout is washing away and the stones get mold easy. Is there a child safe pebble stone sealer?
I probably would have ground out a channel for the new tile to dip into, to meet the floor. Only would have to go deep enough for the tiles to fit. Combine that with back-grinding the tiles for an even smoother transition. The hard part would be making the channel even all the way to either side of the shower entrance. A multi-tool with a diamond blade may help. Big downside, is the dust storm that would result.
Please help me with this problem. I am doing renew bathroom DIY. I already installed cement board. Can I srew in bottom of cement board 2 inches distance to shower pan???
maybe I missed it.....did you seal the pebbles first ?
That’s why I don’t recommend pebbles Tile anymore, great video coach 👍
Wow we installed quite a few of those pebble shower floors too.
Yes we did. I think this particular stone does not do well in water, it soaked in stains from the sides, kinda like how lumber sucks up water. Hope your well Chris!
@@TileCoach I'm well Isaac..ty. Had a tough couple of years but God is good.
Did you grind down the pebbles first? I need to do something with my pebble shower floor. The grout is coming out in whole pieces.
One idea could have been to very carefully grind down the first 2 inches of the pebble entrance to get that first tile flush and avoid the ramp. Great vid!
You wouldn’t have the proper slope to the drain.
@@Rlprime The drain is at the rear
My thought as well, thanks for posting, need a good man on the edge grinding along the wall face.
Great video, one question. When ya popped the old drain frame out you said the felt was in good shape. I thought the bottom half of the drain was a plastic or metal.
The frame and grate fits into a flange. The flange has an attached felt membrane around perimeter that tied into your waterproofing atop your pan, whether mudded or foam.
Ok i should of googled this question before asking , But I'm old. Great work on the repair looks amazing. Thanks for the video!
I wish you would have snapped a line there at the door and took your grinder and angle cut to lines across and that would set that 1st row lower and into the other tiles less transition but anyway good job
Heated floors.
Good opportunity to do groutless installation? Might look nice
Acid wash, pull out old grout and seal the stone
I don't think pulling the grout out is an option on this type of pebble stone, unless you want to spend the week doing it. It's not like you have straight uniform grout lines.
@@raymondsiewert2720 probably meant just the surface grout.
Fix ended up looking great in the end. Even if people really want a certain look, I think they should take a second thought after seeing how some products can fail, as in this case.
I DIYed my last house with a linear drain. We had about 4 years of enjoyment. Reno'd the whole tube area as it was all mold and water damage due to terrible install. At first I didn't think a ton of all the travertine grout lines having hair line cracks. Little did I know, the install was not water proofed whatsoever. They used eco mastic I believe so all the adhesive rotted and I was literally able to remove 70% of the monostone travertine without breaking it! Fortunately the tile seller advised me not to use stone or travertine on the floor due to the issue of it being porous. I cleaned my schluter linear drain every time I cleaned the filter basket. Those tabs are razer sharp. Cut my finger a number of times
We moved west to BC, really miss that shower!
Was the owner opposed to putting a curb between the shower floor and the bathroom floor? But the glass door would need to be altered or replaced
Well now you have me worried about the pebble tile I just installed... It's river pebble (darker rock) so do you think I'll have the same issue? Should I put some kind of sealant on top?
If it hasn't been sealed yet definitely seal it for a longer lasting performance of the pebble tiles
@@isaacbeckel2044 Okay will do. Thank you
Hey Tile Coach! Do you (or anyone else on this comment board) know if the grout you used is available in Canada?
Mapei CQ is similar product, have used it for years.
Old thread but Centanni tile in Burnaby next to Vancouver carries pretty well all latacrete products exclusively
Is this home in Lincoln Hills Golf course? It sure looks familiar!
Could have used a grinder with vacuum attachment, and ground down the old stone at the transition a little bit.
That's the way i thought he was going to go. Surprised there was no prep of the old surface.
Damn my shower I did is the same exact issue. Is there truly no way to fix this?
Please do tell me what kind of grout you recommend for shower floors. This is one of my fears... Using bad products
Use fortified traditional cementitious grouts.
Epoxy grout. The real kind that requires mixing in a pouch of resin.
fixed, i bet their happy
Very easy way to check that a product may be porous is to just put you tongue on it. If your tongue sticks to it the tile/stone/product is absorbing the moisture. If it does not stick then no absorption. Look close at the pebbles :031, you can see the square pattern that the pebbles are set up on. Never have liked these pebble floors especially in a shower.
Is pebble tile always a bad choice for the pan?? I was looking to do something similar, but now I'm concerned this will be an issue. ☹️
good question. I saw another video where you had an "infinity niche" with a pebble tile. It looked awesome and I wanted to do the same with the shower floor being the same. Now I'm really concerned doing pebble.
This was legit got any contacts in NJ?
Excellent video but why choose tiles with so many joints like these mosaic ones?
Surely larger tiles means fewer areas of grout where failures can occur?
I know nothing about this trade though, just an interested observer of Isaac's work.
I alway scarfed the surface before I tile over tile especially one like this with sealer on it
I wonder if there will be any issues with the thinset in the long run since you tiled over a floor with a lot of soap scum on the floor? Maybe roughing up the stone a bit would have been good. Thanks for sharing, interesting problem.
was wondering about that as well, mold too.
It was recently professionally cleaned. Good surface to bond to. Great question though, thank you for watching.
@@TileCoach glad to hear that, keep up the good work.
Being so porous. I Wonder if they had regularly sealed the floor, would this have happened?