Owen Jones meets Peter Hitchens | Full length
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- čas přidán 13. 10. 2015
- My full length interview with Peter Hitchens is finally here. Gorge yourself on our chat about Peter's family life, his relationship with his brother Christopher Hitchens, his belief in God and how religion informs his political views, what he really thinks about David Cameron's Conservative Party, Margaret Thatcher and the demise of Britain. I hope you enjoy it!
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I can't stand Jones. Or his politics. But credit to him. For giving Hitchens the time of day. And being respectable to him. And his opinions.
JONNOG88 that's what any decent human should do
Yeah - tbh my Respect levels for Jones just increased.... This was a very respectful debate
So I take it your against a fair society then because that's Owen wants.
JONNOG88 I can’t stand you. You stink of poo
@@MrRailjunkie , a person's credentials aren't measured by sound bites and the opinions they espouse - particularly when they're supposed to be a journalist and social commentator / critical thinker like Jones. He smears, makes dishonest and attention-seeking comparisons to score points, appeals to emotion rather than logic and facts to get a cheap racket from the crowd so he can have his ego stroked etc. But that seems to appeal to the majority these days.
I find it amusing that Owen Jones' own CZcams comments support Peter more than him.
probably because owen jones is 14 years old and a hopped up little bell end
it looked and sounded like a pupil interviewing his professor
Because Owen Jones lacks ethical standing where as Hitchens is a beacon of hope for the west.
Owen Jones is essentially a leftist gate keeper, very much in favour of the status quo, Tony Blair would be proud.
***** i doubt owen realises he is as you described; merely another "useful idiot".
No he doesn't he's ignorant to the realm of things.
This is the first time I've seen Owen Jones do something other than vent self-righteous, manufactured outrage. Credit to him, he conducted an excellent interview, allowing Hitchens to speak at length even when Hitchens interrupted, listening openly and courteously, posing fair-minded questions, acknowledging the dour and pessimistic attitude Hitchens maintains but also cheerfully affirming him as a serious and influential thinker.
I knew my positive opinion of Hitchens would be confirmed here; I did not know that I would be called to re-assess my negative opinion of Jones.
We are stronger together
this was before Brexit & Corbynism tho? He seems to have become substantially radicalized over the past few years.
@HoustonSam61: ‘This is the first time I've seen Owen Jones do something other than vent self-righteous, manufactured outrage.‘
You’ve not watched or read a lot of Owen Jones’ work, have you?
@@donaldwebb not really
The reason he took that route, is because Jones knows, if he riled up Hitchens, he would lose, Owen is an intellectual pygmy in comparison.
This interview turned me from a left winger to a conservative. Thanks Owen.
+Time How?
+RDO 123 Well, when I thought about it, I as a working class chap know no left wingers. None. Then I realised that socialism was a concept invented by the middle class so that they could feed their egos. Peter Spoke a lot of sense. In face, he nailed some points to a tee.
Time Labour tend to do better in working class areas, if only the middle and upper classes are left wing, explain that. Also, you based your assertion off personal experience, so for all I know, you could just live in a right wing area, not to mention many people are right wing because that's simply what is tradition in their family. Do you also think conservatism is some sort of working class movement? Bare in mind, it's only fairly recently that politicians are starting to get better salaries, in the past, politicians were paid very little so only rich people could afford to do it, the conservative party has been much longer than labour.
I am also slightly baffled how he stopped you being a socialist. He was arguing on social issues whilst socialism is an economic viewpoint. He even said that he supported railway renationalisation, which is a socialist policy. Presumably, the reason he has such utter contempt for socialists is because socialism correlates positively with social liberalism.
+Time You were never left wing in the first place if an insular conservative who says with a straight face that the tories are a 'trotskyist party' convinced you to become conservative.
6/10 for trolling tho.
+Time I don't think Labour are truly left wing. And i know plenty of left wing working class people - proper hoolies and all sorts. it's just they don't have owt to do with Labour either.
TBH Labour just represent the elite - same as the Tories, but Labour probably wouldn't screw the working class as hard. I'm of the opinion, thought, that whoever you vote for the government always gets in - so best to making stuff happen ourselves and not trust any politicians.
I am still a left because I believe in justice, equal opportunity and taking power away from the elite. ut you're right, proper conservatives, like Hitchens have a lot offer intellectually, and he made a lot of sense on some important points. So it was a good chat.
but of course, as he pointed out, the Tories don't represent him or his kind of politics. Check out Peter Oborne as well.
At some point proper lefties and proper righties will have to get together on some things to get rid of this bunch of idiots in government.
Once a country loses its cultural identity, it is not a country, just land.
It's always been just land
+Sr68720 Agreed. Why do you call Douglas Murray a nazi?
Vinny M He is a racist that is just full of hate he believe he is so clever but he knows nothing about islam or people.
+Sr68720 islam isn't a race
tom west i am extremely right wing actually 100% for the free market and i disapprove of equal marriage for all. so get stuffed.
If only all political discourse could be this civilised, good job.
Peter Hitchens seems a lot more upbeat in this interview than in many others I've seen of lat
@@catscan2022 Agreed, It's not his attitude that's the problem. He grew up in a proper democracy
Political debates would be more often like this if they are just 2 people talking with no crowd and no time limit, this is what it should always be like but seldom is
I suggest you see Owen Jones make cheap shots at Hitchens on question time !
great one owen, we dont mind non polished videos, we care more about content.
+RobinHoodUKIP fancy meeting you here
Rob Ingram
are you trying to chat me up. ;)
70% of Ukippers are racist
Carbon Based Life Form Not sure if troll or not
+RobinHoodUKIP by "content" you mean "videos", i assume. youd probably mind if he tried to give you one of those toys from mcdonalds or cereal boxes.
when people say "content", i imagine a george carlin skit about pretentious bullshit language.
The older I get the more I seem to agree with Peter's views.
same. i resisted at first. now i can't fault any of them.
toilet friend what about the beliefs he doesn't share with the public, like the divine right of kings?
I am old left/Bennite and I don't recognise anything to do with socialism in Owen Jones. He reminds me of Peter Hain when he was young, spouting rhetoric en route to being Lord Owen Jones.
As a Leaver, I have experienced some of the vitriol hurled out by the "new left" and it forced me to rethink some of my ideas.
The age old adage. If you’re not a socialist in your youth, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative in you’re maturity, you have no brain.
@@uk1988tb303 I am not a conservative and never will be but I realise that some issues transcend political divides and I have to be realistic and make new friends where I find them. I watched a video of Corbyn yesterday and he made me want to punch the screen and yet Jacob Rees Mogg talked perfect sense. It's a crazy world.
Probably one of my favorite Peter Hitchens interviews
Even 5 years later I found this conversation interesting.
Peter absolutely hits the nail on the head with the Conservative party. I also think this country is finished.
10:46 I can't stop replaying that sound
A wimpering pup watching it's owner be beaten, that's what it sounds like
I was brought up a democratic socialist, iv been in the labour party since I was 14. Despite this, there's probably no commentator I enjoy and respect more than Peter Hitchens. A formidable intellect indeed. Its one of the great injustices of the world that men like Osborne and Cameron with no discernible passions or opinions become leaders, while men like the Hitchens brothers remain commentators on the side-lines.
He's far too intelligent to go into politics
I share your position on both politics and Hitchens. I make no defence of Osborne, Cameron or the like - career, populist politicians are nearly as dangerous as many hardline politicians in that they breed the apathy and mistrust in which corruption and specialist interests thrive. However, I suspect that many of these politicians simply don't share their firmer convictions or passions because their every utterance is contrived and formulated to ensure that any risk of alienating a potential voter is minimised. Hence they actually end up saying nothing and are utterly unappealing to all.
And here we are in 2023 with Rishi in charge, I'm not sure Peter could have seen it get worse than what it was at the time of the interview.
I met Peter Hitchens in a petrol station I was working at back in 2003. I was working behind the counter at the time and I served him when he was paying for fuel. He over paid me and said "keep the change", after this he kissed me on the cheek and said "you'll be a manager one day". I smiled and he then asked me to pull his finger, to which he farted, winked at me and walked off. I quite like him.
It sounds to me that it's much more likely that it was Owen Jones you met in that petrol station. Apart from bit where he told you to keep the change, obviously. He's only generous with other people's money.
@@malcolmmitchell4709how not to take a joke
Please try to arrange an discussion between peter hitchens and jeremy corbyn!
Would actually be interesting, Hitchens respects Corbyn.
A lot of Christopher's fans might hate Peter, but I love him. Their views may be different, but they are so alike in their unapologetic honesty, and their ability to articulate their positions eloquently, and effectively. I find myself agreeing with them both on different things, and I think Peter is as much an asset as Christopher was just for different reasons. Not to mention, when Peter talks about Islam he really channels Christopher, and its wonderful to have another brilliant Hitchens speaking out against it. This was wonderful to watch, thanks to Owen for sitting down with him.
I very much admire them both. Each of them intelligent, articulate gentlemen who aren't afraid to speak their minds. I love that English reserve that's slightly condescending and a little superior. The thing I like about Peter is how much he rails against the conservative party. He's harder on his own in a way. He expects liberals to be wha they are.
That's why i like Liberals like Dave Rubin who are very hard on the left.
I have come around to Peter in the last few years, as I have grown older and more conservative no doubt.
Christopher arrogance undermines his intelligence. Peters intelligence undermines his arrogance.
I've noticed that a lot of the Hitch fan boys now support people like Peter because they share a common enemy whether its third wave feminism or the P.C. attitudes
If all the interviews had a full version like this one, this channel would really be one of the best political channels on youtube.
Thanks Owen! Peter Hitchens, like Peter Oborne, is part of that rare breed of social conservatives that have an actual moral standpoint and that you can have discussion with. Concessions can be made to received wisdom and common ground can be found.
I find my parents (and their generation) agree with his outlook, and where I make the most inroads in discussions with them is where we find the common ground that Hitchens expresses here.
Churchill, WW1 and the how Thatcherism was not merely economically predatory but was immoral and broke away British soceity's fabric are a few of the points where we can agree. Especially as my parents are Christians they find the worship of money and the reward of greed particularly disgusting.
Respect to Peter Hitchens, I hope he keeps charting his own path, and though there is a lot I disagree with him on I can see that in a world where more of the right were represented by him (and admittedly more of the left were represented by more thoughtful commentators than the ones we get pushed into the limelight on the odd occasion we get coverage) we would be able to work together on enough to make a better country.
P.S. There is a socially liberal consensus at the top, which I can see how it makes Hitchens mad, but it is not half as oppressive as the economically liberal consensus that is destroying our country. I think it is important that lefties don't think true right wingers are supporters of the conservative party, just the same as true left wingers are no supporters of the Labour party (or at least the Blairite party)
+Gringo Loco I've a feeling you're going to like one of the interviews we've got coming up in the next couple of weeks.
+Owen Jones I'll be keeping my eyes peeled :)
Peter Trombone is a blowhard and apologist for Muslim extremists
+William Morrison Exactly. Try to start and run a business in this country, then explain to me how it's "economically liberal"?
Interview Douglas Murray
+John yes!
+John neo con trash will be exposed one and for all
+John yeah thats a good one !
GoreMasterFlash I'm on the left but I completely agree with you. Douglas Murray is incredibly intelligent and I've never seen him lose a debate. Owen Jones would have no chance against him.
***** paleoconservatism>neoconservatism
Peter Hitchens is a voice that ought to be listened to and heeded. He's an an oasis of sanity in an increasingly insane world. A very informative and well-conducted interview, Owen. I don't often see Peter Hitchens smile or laugh, but you managed to achieve the unusual!
I previously never understood where Peter Hitchens was coming from and it certainly confused me when I found myself agreeing with some if his articles yet he wrote in such an awful newspaper. Interviews such as this unravel how he has arrived at his opinions and explains why my own views can span across both the left and right of politics. The point he makes that England's history is no longer understood by the public is very important, from such a lack of understanding people do not know how their rights were fought for by revolution and struggle for centuries. If people are so unaware of social history they can have laws and policies imposed on them without being aware of the consequences. They can also be fed simplistic propaganda at elections and for entering into wars or making sweeping changes to welfare and the NHS. The lack of historic knowledge also extends to politicians unfortunately, evidenced by George Osborne declaring that workers should contribute to a fund for their sick pay - we already do and it is called NATIONAL INSURANCE!
I enjoyed this very much. It's great to be able to watch a relaxed but serious and sober conversation between two people I find interesting. Thanks
Go find and talk to him for another 40 minutes, that was brilliant to listen to.
Amazing what open minds and civil discourse can achieve in showing the humanity on both sides of the political divide. Great interview.
I;m shocked it took so long. Disgusting behaviour from the left, their attemtps to silence debate clearly made massive problems.
That's nicely put. In all our political, religious and ideological divides we must never lose sight of our common humanity. It's that which unites us and in the end is capable of healing, even dissolving, all our differences. Sadly, it is nowhere to be seen in the fractious, ever more polarized political world of today.
Why can't everyone on the left be more like Owen Jones? He's respectful and actually LISTENS - so many people on the left just dismiss anyone with conservative thoughts as evil or tell them they're wrong. Owen at least tries to talk properly and understands that we are not all evil simply because we hold a different view.
Well the main reason he is listening is because it's an interview not a debate, everyone seems to forget that Owen is a journalist not a politician, he has his own views but in theory his primary aim is to sample and interpret other people's.
+MostlyAverage that's true, but so often people on the left will interrupt and argue even when interviewing. I really admire Owen Jones, he's a really good interviewer
+James Carey Sadly anyone who goes Too far Left or Too far right is always gonna hit 'Horrible' person territory, hence why only Centre Left or Centre Right parties have been in government and won the most seats. The skill of getting elected or staying elected is knowing when to go left and when to go right on each issue as it comes. It's all about methodology the more to either end of spectrum one become the more extreme and simplistic their ideologies become but they don't know how to put it into practice and get too consumed with rebellion and shouting it out rather than sitting down in peaceful quiet settled environment to flesh out how to pragmatically implement their ideas.
+James Carey The problem is that modern politics [on both the left and right] are being infiltrated by people with inherently authoritarian leanings. It's becoming more and more clear that people on traditionally opposing ends of the political spectrum are becoming unified by their desire to avoid a society whereby a person can be persecuted for their opinions. Owen and Peter might not agree on everything but they'd both fight to the bitter end to defends each other's right to think what they want.
Yes you are . Lol.
I enjoy listening to Peter Hitchens while working out at the gym.
There's just something about listening to him go on and on about morality and stoicism that makes me want to push myself to become better and stronger than I was before.
Loved both the shortened interview, and this full video of it. I think both versions have value. You performed very well as interviewer, Owen. You and he were both tremendously courteous to one another.
I am such a huge fan of Peter. His sense of humour is so subtle and understated, but so brilliant.
His demeanour is that of the classic English gent. He's like a pleasant throwback in the most positive sense.
This didn't age well, given how he has accused and harassed Alex O'Conner after his temper tantrum was caught on film. Never knew who he was before seeing that interview but all I can say about Peter is ooofffff.
Owen respects him. Alex is arrogant, and thinks he's clever - he's not@@nobodybbm
@@dominicbrant1968 What a nothing burger of a comment hahaha
Says Mr Nobody, commenting anonymously. Sure will listen to you.@@nobodybbm
I love this interview so much. Peter is so interesting.
He's a good lad is Peter. Went to fabric with him back in '02. He dropped a Garry and wouldn't leave the dancefloor for 6 hours. Upon leaving, he told me that I was 'safe as fuck' and that I was his 'best mate'. Think he had a bit of a rough comedown though, as I haven't seen him since.
MrJohndory111 Can’t believe I’ve just come across this, absolute gold!
"He's quite likeable, I can't feel any passion towards him, it's impossible. It's like feeling passion towards a blancmange."
What a delight - thoughtful, insightful and funny! Although my views are lefty, I have nothing but respect for Peter Hitchens, his integrity shines through the discussion...
There is a kindness in Peter under that carapice
Horatio Redgreenblue too bad religion and traditionalism have rotted those insides.
Always good to watch a discussion between two clever, articulate people with different perspectives.
The best interview I’ve ever heard with Peter Hitchens. He isn’t ranting. He’s relaxed and calmly explaining his positions frankly Owen is a very easygoing and sympathetic interviewer although in many ways , they are both on polar opposite sides politically
Thanks for posting the full version, very much appreciated
The section on Enoch Powell and immigration was incredibly interesting. Why did you cut it from the first version?
I actually done a mini-cheer when the notification came through on my phone saying you'd put up the full video. Not been that excited in ages! Haha
I'm pretty gutted to discover the Hitchens brothers only a few months ago. Now Christopher has passed and there wont be other chance to hear these two speaking side to side. They are both fantastically interesting people. I'm compelled to hear both of their opinions on everything, even being that they are so different on the political spectrum.
+TheRealGaffer I know exactly what you mean. It's a shame the only large scale debate the two had on God ended up being very one sided Christopher's way due to technical difficulties and his rockstar status.
A few months ago? It was a few years ago haha
+Emily P he said he discovered them a few months ago and you're telling him he's wrong? what
+Drenwickification It's simple: some people are incapable of comprehending written English.
'technical difficulties and his rockstar status' was definitely Peter's downfall during that debate. Unbelievable.
He was right on so much - and I guess he regrets that.
Owen, I really respect that you went out of your way to do this interview - polite, intelligent engagement with the "other side" is a great antidote to the polarising effects of social media.
For years I have found much of what has come out of Peter Hitchens's mouth pretty abhorrent. But I don't know whether it's him or me, but recently I have found him much more agreeable and this interview has finally changed my opinion of him totally. OK I'm still very much on the left, but I don't think he's anywhere near as right-wing as I thought he was, in fact on many subjects he comes over as academically neutral and extremely well informed.
Posting the whole interview was such a good idea. It was so much better than the edit and extremely enjoyable to listen to. Please Owen, less editing and more like this.
Peter Hitchens talks so much sense. He is totally right about the Tory party .
this unedited VID is great, it was good to see some of the human moments in the interview. thanks for uploading it.
“It’s better to travel hopefully than to arrive, the practical application of the noblest of ideas turns out at the very best to be tedious and at the worst to be very different from what you’d hope for”
this was brilliant! even as a leftie, I admire Peter greatly. I was the most fascinated with the parts you cut out and deemed less important I.e. growing up with his brother, comments on Adam Smith, ww1 history, Thatcher. Please do long form videos. Peter was being real and relaxed, and we got to see a different side of him. you simply must do a David Starkey video now!
Credit where it's due to Owen for facilitating a respectful dialogue.
owen, i appreciate you posting this. aside from the obvious things that needed to be cut, there were a lot of great details also lost in the cut. thanks for this. it's a great conversation.
Thank you Owen and Peter. This was the 50 minutes very well spent. Totally absorbing. Thank you both again..
Absolutely loved this. Do another 40 minutes:)
He's right when he says that most of Christopher's fans know little about him. I've had people tell me I'm wrong or a liar when I say Christopher Hitchens was pro-life.
Spot on
Just like people would be surprised Peter is in favour of nationalising the railways.
When I first came to college, I was actually a pretty devout Christian, and started looking up debates on youtube to hear atheists be defeated by Christians. But then I came to Christopher Hitchens and his debates, and was quite taken aback. I credit him and the other atheists/non-christians around him with the loss of my faith. I ended up finishing his debates on religion and read one of his books of essays, and then got into his debates on the war in Iraq, and then what do I find? THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER HITCHENS. Lately I've been looking at the interactions between Christopher and Peter and Peter's conversations with the media and debates of his own, and I find him to be incredibly underrated. Though he would probably resent the comparison, I find him to be just as brilliant as his brother, only walking on the other side of aisle and a bit more modest.
Christopher Garner, hey man.
I just read your comment. Its been a year since you posted it...any changes or reconsiderations regarding your thoughts here? ...your faith? Just curious man.
great interview. much better than the 10 minute one. thanks.
This full content interview is really interesting. So is the dynamic. Owen Jones is clearly in awe of Hitchens showing more respect and affection than i would have expected based on his TV appearances. PH hardly let Owen get a word in but I sense that is down to enthusiasm more than anything else.
It's an interview not a debate.
The days where interviews like this could happen are gone.
Owen, you could do these interviews live on CZcams so people can see them in full, and then upload the edited versions. Saves poor Adam from the toil of extra work
let's do two edits - and save Adam extra work? wait, what???
I don't imagine live streaming will be much more difficult than filming it, it just needs a computer link up. then all Adam has to do is edit/upload THAT video to get the version that goes up after
thecrimsonbubbles so everyone who wants to.see it has to be free at that time? Also the logistics of that are more complicated than you probably think (it being a two camera system)
fair point, I hadn't considered 2-camera setup!
it's just one idea that could be considered, and if something like it would work there'd be a way of hearing more interview, because this 50 minute chat was amazing
maybe recording audio of whole thing would work if put on soundcloud, but I'm just getting too eager and ahead of myself now...
+thecrimsonbubbles Live would mean a live OB setup which would take a crew lol
This was awesome. Thankyou Peter & Owen.
Whether I agree with him or not, I always feel like I'm learning and wiser having listened to Peter. I don't hear others making similar points with such depth.
There's a general perception on CZcams that only short videos will be successful. Hopefully this shows that there are many people who are willing to sit down with a long form video too!
Fantastic! Really thought provoking and interesting!
Loved hearing the fuller interview (listened to the shorter one first). Please do this more if possible.
I commend you for doing this, Mr. Jones.
The people demand more debates like this. Two journalists who have radically different views but who can nevertheless sit down, discuss and debate the issues respectfully.
Excellent interview, thank you.
Thanks so much for sharing guys :)
Only someone young as Owen Jones cannot see that England is dead.
Just because he is young doesn't necessarily mean he is niave,He probably knows alot more about politics than you do and would probably destroy you in a political debate.Old people always think that age =wisdom and that youth =ignorant but there are loads of older people who are complete bigots.
he's older than me and i can see it.
I know many teenagers that possess a large degree of wisdom. He's not one of the wise ones. Sorry, he is naive. He would fail in a debate with anyone who knows history well. "Old people" are not a monolithic class of unitary thinkers.
William Brown who isn't wise?
what knowledge of history does he (whomever) lack?
who is naive?
""Old people" are not a monolithic class of unitary thinkers."
who said they were?
I still say Peter Hitchens should have been the singer in the Pet Shop Boys
This was much better than I expected
Fascinating! Thank you, Owen.
Undoubtedly the best interview you have done Owen
Top Gent Peter Hitchens. Honest and genuine as it gets, Real credit to Britain.
This is a great interview, thanks. Good to hear someone a different point of view
Great video and a big thanks to Adam in taking the time to edit it! I am aware it will only be a one off too! Really interested to hear Peter's thoughts on his brother and he makes some good points. Don't know why he loathes the Grand Rapids debate so much because I have watched the debate and he seems to get a fair amount of applause and even manages to corners Christopher on the issue of the Soviet Union and religion!
Like him or not, Peter Hitchens is one of the most outspoken and honest journalists out there. He sees through the shady mechanism of our rotten political class and is not afraid to call them out for it.
Even though people disagree with him, I absolutely love the way he conducts his arguments and beliefs, true intellect.
Kudos to both for getting this together.
What an excellent, civil, illuminating discussion. More of this please!
This is the first interview I’ve seen with Peter Hitchens where he is smiling and relaxed. He actually looks like he enjoyed it; usually he looks tortured ( having to deal with the stupidity of it all). A Great thinker; I respect him immensely.
Can't stand Owen but respect to Peter who constructs his points of view in a logical manner.
Surprisingly Owen conducted himself better than anyone else I've seen interview Peter.
Great interview, love listening to the Hitchens.
Yes! You should definitely interview Douglas Murray, I'm sure and awesome discussion would come out of there!
I think he should interview Andy Murray
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I'm a conservative and after watching this I have found some respect for Owen.
This is really really really interesting, thank you for uploading it!!
Such a devoted fan of his much missed genius brother Christopher
4 times better than the original version
'Virtue isn't established by opinion'
Fantastic interview, thanks!
Upload the full Jeremy Corbyn interview.
+Sam Barkley
Lol, poor Owen.
+Sam Barkley Please do
+Pixiedust8399 You mean poor adam.
no no come now, he said one off
***** the democratic voice of the masses is eternal, never once off.
Wasn't a fan of Owen until this interview. We need more debate like this.
I can assure you this is the one exception in Jones' usual debate behaviour. Watch ANY other discussion with him and an opponent and he transforms into a pitifully childish brat who's debating skills are rasing his voice to a scream, talking over his opponent therefore ignoring and not even listening and then unclipping his microphone, pretending he has been so grievously insulted and offended by his opponent that he just has to leave at once....
Unbelievably childish and pathetic.
@@rnw2739: A gross exaggeration if ever there was one.
He’d never try to debate Peter since Peter would destroy him lol
I love both Peter's and Christopher's minds. They each have/had great perspectives on many things. Neither can be right or wrong on all things. A singular, partisan binary of who's right or wrong is so intellectually immature.
really glad to hear the points raised in this video, wish people hadn't peer pressured this out of the pipe but all the same fantastic work.
This is an example of why CZcams is the best social media outlet ❤
Why don't we see discussions like this on mainstream media anymore. It's become so tabloid these days
The "fan boys" are hardly ever really familiar with their idol's work. They simply hang from soundbites and emote
Peter Hitchen's nose is a triangle. Illuminati confirmed?
+ImmaterialDigression lmao.Good one :)
+ImmaterialDigression confirmed morality man
Great interview.....both Owen and Peter possess great intellects.
Always a good listen. :)
Interesting to see the young, progressive journalist aith his phone on the table, compared to the older, conservative journalist with the newspaper sat on the table
+Spencer Miller And the times at that..
+ZennorTale I don't want to sound naive but I can't see that happening with Owens popularity, atleast I hope he doesnt! But I guess we can only wait and see. I also don't think it's a good thing to simply assume Owen's wealth. But on the whole I agree that it does tend to happen that way, or at least that's the story. I have grown up in an affluent area so its hard for me comment, as much of the people around me are brought up to have conservative principles, so it doesn't happen with age.
***** It clearly has happened with Hitchins but certainly hasn't with Corbyn and the like.
it is
your mistake there is to believe that because one has aged that one necessarily has grown up.
many people are old but never grew up.
I think Peter was referring to the Belgian Grey book at 35:20
Fantastic interview, cheers Owen
Excellent. More please.