"Britain is dead" Peter Hitchens interview on Boris, Britain & Brexit - BQ #7
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- Writer and broadcaster Peter Hitchens speaks to The Sun's Steven Edginton about when Britain "died", Boris Johnson and communism. This week's 'Burning Questions' covers Hitchens' views on conservatism and why he believes the decline of religion and other cultural institutions has ruined the UK.
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Are they bringing back page 3 ??? 😂
@@danielpalacios9626 -- Have a page 3 girl conduct the interviews!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, idiot
@@danielpalacios9626. I doubt that Peter and other great intellectuals would get them out for our entertainment. But given the absurdity of things these days who knows.
Why don't you fund another trial for Innocent Jeremy Bamber?
If you had told me 5 years ago that The Sun would be producing content like this I would have thought you were joking.
You couldn't have predicted that Horuses paper and the hidden Babylonian hand would bringthis here? Do you know who you sold your country to? Pharasees. I'm not a big fan of the bible for its games but it does have some good points.
What? You mean by allowing Peter Hitchens to go unchallenged for 60 mins.
so true im amazed too
Me too.
Some of them must have realised there was just normal so called uneducated people on podcasts doing actual and better journalism than the rest of them that are just the establishments parrots 😂😂
Interesting that the interviewer does does not ask Hitchens how the falling standards in journalism have contributed to Britain's decline. I wonder why?
already knows the answer before asking
@@blackphilip8936, is that supposed to be a joke? Peter Hitchens has been highly critical of the British secret services on numerous occasions. He has also over the past years been almost a lone voice criticising foreign policy, particularly in the middle-east, and of late, the alleged chemical attacks in Syria, and of the OPCW. If you read his blog, he is scathing of modern (investigative) journalism. Ergo, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
SagaciousFrank Some conspiracy theories have truth to them. I can’t see this being one of them. We should be live something when we have substantial evidence
@@thomasalvarez6456, except in this instance there is no evidence, just baseless claims. As for "substantial evidence" in any event, people should be wary of where any such evidence is sourced from - can it trusted, is it reliable and/or corroborated etc.
SagaciousFrank Exactly
This young interviewer puts others twice his age to shame. He is excellent.
It's a very low bar nowadays...
@@Johnconno True, but, objectively, he's good.
Not really, his horizons are extremely limited and he is half as smart as he thinks is.
@@carnaxide2120Your critique is unqualified - but letting that go - I disagree with you - he's just not getting in the way. Which I think is the point of long form online interviews. Rather than going for the cheap shot. And I think he does guide the conversation over lots of fertile ground.
@@mattk9089 'The ground is barren and parched.'
You may have slight sunstroke...
Nothing cheers me up more than a Peter Hitchins interview proclaiming we are all finished!
I find him ever more tedious, he has a mental condition to be contrary and now Brexit is mainstream he cannot bring himself to endorse it. Also he has nothing of value to say about the fundamental problems in the country, but of course if he did speak about them he wouldn't be interviewed by the Sun.
The voice of doom.
I'm on the side of onwards and upwards.
@Aris Georgopoulos if Remain was 58% then why did we leave? Everytime I listen to remainers harp on about staying in Europe and the fact remain really won makes me embarrassed to be a remainer in the first place. The government gave the people a choice remain or leave. The leave party won. The same in Scotland. Nicola sturgeon told the people of Scotland this is a once in a lifetime opportunity and the people of Scotland voted to stay in the UK. Its happened so let's deal with it and move forward.
@Aris Georgopoulos 17.4 million people voted leave in the referendum vs 16.1 million for remain. Even if it wasn't a first past the post system and every single vote counted, leave still would have won.
@Aris Georgopoulos There was no vote backing "Remain" in December. It was a general election. And just because someone voted for Labour doesn't automatically mean they supported Remain. My best mate voted Leave but he could not and would not bring himself to vote Tory, so he went with Labour. This is the problem with people who try to over simplify something this complex. It does not work like that, you absolute numb skull.
Peter Hitchens is always a joy to listen to. The interviewer"s timing of questions was excellent and this allows the explanation of ideas by Peter to flow to a logical conclusion. It is shame that other interviewers adopt the form of interrogation.
David Forman the mans a dinosaur
@@andrew300169 you'll be one too soon enough.
drakeisdoo drakeisdoo i know, you couldn’t make it up! He wants us to go back to a pre war era when he didn’t exist, most ordinary British people lived in the slums and people did what they were told because their betters said so, pathetic human being, oh and all good because god or the church will take your money
The voice is like his golden brother Chris....but he ain’t no Hitch
@@aprilapril2 Yes when asked to explain what is missing with the decline of Christianity he simply associates things he doesn't like about current society (a vague lack of civil discourse?) with it. So logically then when the Church was stronger then we should have seen a peak in civil behavior?! The two don't correlate....his arguments break down very quickly.
His brother was extremely well read, I loved Christopher. I never agreed with Peter, but now as I am getting older and hopefully wiser, I see Peters as the smarter one. Excellent interview.
It’s interesting a lot of people say that,
Christopher was perhaps smarter, Peter is perhaps wiser.
yea..i saw christopher give in on obama...saying smart and all that...wrong...
that is and was supporting another sellout type...showed he missed...
and a lot he did was for ego... clinton and obama were examples of what
christopher said he was against as libs and church and such...went in a circle...
The one true Hitch demolished clerics and ministers in debate, you're never going to see his little brother do that.
49fiori Peter chooses to believe in an imaginary sky daddy, without there being any evidence to support the existence of the aforementioned sky daddy. Personally, I think that’s an indication that Peter’s not really very smart at all. Each to their own though.
"We threw away the fire of our manhood." Very true. Nor have we encouraged the formation of brilliant young men in the ensuing years.
👏well said
Flower
Speak for yourself
We sacrificed 2 generations of our men, and our Empire, to save the world from fascism. Our sense of honour and duty killed us. Of anything died it is that. We have much and gained nothing.
It’s such a devastating point.
I really like this interviewer--smart and respectful but not fawning; assertively asking good questions but not obnoxiously interfering with the answers. Why can't there be more interviewers like this guy?
Just needs to reduce his use of “sort of”.
minxymissy1 exactly. 👌🏽
Yep, The Sun was very clever to hire a self made youtuber rather than assign one of their comfy fresh from Oxbridge interns to run their channel.
@peter burry These interviews are not about that. The guests are allowed to pontificate if they want to. It is not supposed to be an Andrew Neil inquisition with lots of 'gotcha' moments. I am so tired of that ego driven style of interviewing. People like Kuenssberg think they are celebrities.
Agree.
wow this is so rare nowdays a interview where the journalist isnt constantly interupting whether they agree or not,its like a breath of fresh air.
Steve Harry And from The Sun! What gives?
It helps that he’s not barking mad and can actually reason, think things through and explain his thinking very logically and eloquently. It’s tougher for a reasonable interviewer to avoid interrupting when they are dealing with a subject who is incoherent or spouting things that make no logical sense.
But yes, good interview and breath of fresh air like you say. UK is lost for the want of more reasonable discussions like this.
No problem challenging untruths. This is what a good journalist or interviewer should do and what BBC used to do.
I can't believe this is the sun.
The Sun has the best analysis and comment. Broadsheets just recite bourgeouis talking points; *Sun* journos actually articulate their intuitions.
The Sun, a bastion of journalistic excellence. Who'd have thought?
Paradigm Arson 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@paradigmarson9586 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@paradigmarson9586 "articulate their intuitions" that's one way of putting it lol
"I was brought up for a world that no longer existed."
That makes two of us! Though, I was born 18 years after him.
For a different age I was born,
every man has once said,
where each was to honor sworn,
rather to all this cowardice bred.
Thus for a gilded time we mourn,
insisting such days forever dead.
@Cole DeBeer Thanks, it's actually the first verse of a poem called 'Man Made' by Mark Brahmin. Search on CZcams for 'Man Made Xurious' to hear an awesome reading of it.
@Language and Programming Channel if that's not being funny you need to check yourself weirdo
@Jon Park - Get your timeline right. I'm not a Boomer.
amen..look at the shinyrust'' comment... what a joke ..usa falling too...
guess whats gonna replace us ... and the other big church thinks
it has a chance?? what a joke... we said so long long ago....
but can always pray for regular ppl to win back...at least for a while...
obama just bought a 11million dollar house...where does godon brown
and blair live?? we know where queen'' is... tommy r is right about streets...
This program by Steven Edginton is better than any news / interview program currently on the BBC because it is authentic and Steven allows the host to speak / share. This is how badly the BBC has fallen. Most BBC programs are no longer focused on the guest but on the BBC interviewers / readers attempting (poorly) to show their subject knowledge while tossing out simplistic / gotcha questions (Andrew Neil). Newsflash BBC: Your audiences are leaving for the Internet because you can no longer be trusted.
BBC has a terminal disease of the brain. It’s pretty much in hospice at this point.
Steven you are developing into a very good interviewer and to have tackled two intellectual heavy wieghts recently and to come out unscathed is very impressive.
There is a gap for an interviewer not out to get a gotcha moment. People like Peter Hitchens will give those of their own accord you don't need to misrepresent their words and try back them into a false corner
Australians & New Zealanders were drawn into WWI & WWII also, all the best men, educated, with integrity, lost DNA. Ripple effects to run through generations. Destroyed family.
brilliant interviewer. Respectful, intelligent and professional. top lad
Lets them speak wanting to learn something. Very good indeed.
He's terrified.
Nice young man...with much to learn.. A skilled interviewer would have latched onto at least three things with interesting exploratory potential that Hitchens said and asked him to expand on them. But no, Steven just reverted to his list of questions. Anyone can ask questions. Disappointing. But he is young so room for growth.
@@susanfoletta3903 Cut him some slack. When you're starting out it's always safer to stick to the plan rather than trying to impress your audience/boss and risk losing your job
@@susanfoletta3903 Well, what do you expect from someone who never even went to university?
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This journalist should be a model for the future journalism. Ask respectfully and let the person express themselves. Ana keep on asking to get more of the person's views in a respectful way. My applause!!!
i miss his brother big time - as in Christopher Hitchens lol
Steven has his own youtube channel called PoliticsUK
Steven is excellent interviewer..
I agree. I recently watched the Brendan O'neil interview. Was a bit discouraged by it being in The Sun youtube channel and was pleasantly surprised. The BBC used to have really good chat shows when I was growing up in England. This series of honest discussions are remniscent of those. Think I'm going to have to check out PoliticsUK now :)
@@danbh84
Chris Hitchens was one of the most intelligent thinkers and orators I have ever heard.
How much the BBC could learn from how this interview was conducted, but I don't think they are interested in doing so.
The BBC don't do interviews... they do inquisitions, witch hunts and character assassinations ..
Tom Twain May I quote you in future? Thanks.
cant wait to not have to fund that excuse of an institution!!!
I think it's about time the BBC fund themselves or at least Boris should try to cap their wages (our money).
No BBC executive or public paid institutions should be paid more than our PM.
The BBC have sold themselves to a Marxist / Globalist ideology. It Does seem impossible when you see it in writing, but when you consider when the two political concepts are assessed. Marxist want a communist state where every person works for the state with a laid down standard of life. Globalist, want a one rule system where the Inteligencia rule the world one State, one leader. Different words but in essence the same.
Good interviewer. Lets his subject talk. Wasn't aware that was still a thing. Bravo.
Like he had a choice. Peter wouldn't even let him finish a question he was trying to ask him.
If you did more viewing and listening you wouldn't make such a fatuous remark.
kevin smith it is him being interviewed afterall
Chivalry is Not Dead :-)
He is absolutely right about losing the beautiful and noble during WW1. I weep when I think of it even now. History should be required reading. It was The beginning of now.
He is correct but now out of the EU there is at least a chance
@@stoufer2000 we're going global numbnuts, aiming to strike up deals with nations accross the globe.
EU is protectionist to preserve their nations internal trade.
Little Europe more like
A lot easier to manage one layer of politics than 3
stoufer2000 like third world nations immigrating would bring some outstanding success!!!
@@mobbs6426
To protect the interested of their people. Dogmatic notions like 'free trade' or 'protectionism' are not solutions, but ingredients. Give me policy driven by the interests of the people rather than political dogma any day.
Please consider performing some basic research as you will find:
1) Most leaders who wanted Brexit are hedged where their wealth is sitting offshore and not being fully taxed
2) Most leaders who wanted Brexit are not investing their wealth providing jobs for the ordinary man / woman in the Uk
3) You will soon find the loudest wanting Brexit will be the 1st grumbling when short-term sacrifices must be made
I agree as a a Catholic- my father in his last yars often observed how public morality was at its lowest.
Religion is the cause of most if not all wars
@@bluenose007 Wars are caused for other reasons too.
@@bluenose007 That's a massive lie, when they went through the statistics or the wars in world history, religion made up 7% (including Islam) if we remove Islam from the equation then it is something like 2%. Stop repeating the lies you hear from your atheist marxist teachers and bbc withouth actually checking if what you're saying is true, because that was completely incorrect.
@@cecilefox9136 Don't be apologetic to someone who is completely incorrect. The vast majority of wars throughout world history, *over 90% of all wars* were due to reasons other than religion. Also the 20th century was the most atheist century and was also the most evil and bloody in human history.
Research all the mass murdered and war originals. They are all atheists
16:18:
"The American Constitution is a beautiful thing, rather like Washington DC. The English constitution is more like a forest, you can't build a forest.
You can very easily cut it down though."
I don't quite know why, but I find that phrase to be a quite chilling warning.
Quality discussion . We need more of this calibre discussion in UK entertainment .
Emmerdale, Coronation Street, The Archers not good enough for you?
I see a bright future for this young interviewer
A book stand with the questions written down in order would do the same job and be less expensive.
It isnt dead for the Rich. Because they control the economy. . They can print money for themselves. Which the poor cant.And this is what is actually happening.. The rich will never be destitute and end up on the streets As is is the case with the poor
@@artdeco9535 The rich print their own money? What planet are you living on? The government prints and regulate the distribution of money via the federal reserve...
@@mikelovetere4719 When I say the rich I mean the Banks the Rothchilds, the Rokefeller .The hidden. hand . The very very rich who dominate the world. Not the ordinary rich . The Globalist . People like the Bushes etcetera.
@@artdeco9535 I stand corrected Thank you for clarifying yourself, You can add George Soros in to that mix . The man that has manipulated the currencies of the UK, and Russia, of which he is persona mon grata.
UK and Peter Hitchens will miss the Christian ethic of the conservative Sir Roger Scruton.
I won't.
@@theother1281 I care.
@@jimbo5973
Why?
The Other
Because we live in a society of broken family’s,drug gangs, Knife crime etc.
If that’s not a reason to care I don’t know what is.
@@fisher1907
Queen Victoria lived in a society of broken families, drug gangs, knife crime, etc.
There just wasn't a tabloid media exploiting it to sell copy in those days.
Aside from his anti Soviet work; nothing Roger Scruton did made any difference.
I got out of the UK in 2011 and I'm SO GLAD I did. I've watched it get worse and worse from a distance since and I just find it so sad. People like Hitchens who stand up for the traditions and culture of our country are few and far between, and what is more sickening is they are often attacked for voicing this reality. It really is a sad sad situation in the UK...
Which country did you go to?
@@user-pn3fb9eo5i South of Italy. More homogeneous, family focused and traditional culture...what England used to be. 😔
@@LearnEnglishwithJames. It'll happen to Italy as well, its the strange death of Europe
@@australianpatriot Yes, unfortunately I have to agree with you 🤦♂️
@@LearnEnglishwithJames. We will likely be replaced by robots anyway, culture is history
“We are cutting down a forest that we could never grow again.” That hits hard
Sadly, I can vouch for what he says about the lack of Christian knowledge amongst today’s children. I’ve been teaching History for over 20 years and I now have to explain basic knowledge about the Church and Christianity, even to sixth formers.
I could cry when I hear this.
He says that we learn morality from Christian values, yet neither Christ nor the Bible thinks rape or slavery, or offering your virgin daughters to strangers is a bad thing. This interview started out rightly saying that involvement in WWI was a catastrophic mistake for Britain (even if Max Hastings disagrees with him) but the influence of a historically corrupt and corrupting Church is thankfully nearly over.
I weep when people use religion as an excuse not to think. People do good because they are good people, not because they're afraid of a god.
@@davebox588
Morality comes from God.It's transgression of God's Holy Laws that cause all the misery and suffering in the world. If everyone lived by the teachings of Christ this world would not be the mess it is.
@@hayleylewis11
*"Morality comes from God."*
Is an action moral because God says it is, or is it moral in and of itself and God simply makes us aware of this?
@@letters_from_paradise
There has to be absolute Truth otherwise morality is no more than the collective finite thoughts of any given society or individual. The bible says that God wrote His Holy commandments on the hearts of all men and our conscience bears witness to them. That's why we all inherently know it's wrong to steal, cheat, murder, lie etc and feel the pangs of guilt if we do wrong.
"Britain is dead", I thought I just wandered onto a Hugh Grant interview.
He's only telling the truth.
It’s his opposite ironically making the same point. Lol
Viscous Shear It’s been dead for decades. We’re just waiting to make that official. The Tories and English nationalism have made it inevitable Scotland will be independent. We thank you for that.
Karma Bomb - tripe.
@Viscous Shear come crawling back? We will soar. It's England that's in trouble now. You are the leeches, not us.
I so agree with Peter Hitchens about the importance of the married family. And I speak as one who hasn't seen his children since 2008, thanks to what the state did to my family. I wasn't strong enough to protect my family, my two beautiful children, from a ferocious attack by the state. Keep it up Mr Hitchens; you're on the right track.
What happened with your family?
What a great interview. Such a pity the British fell for someone like Tony Blair.
Yup. Blair was just another Tory liar.
Good christian, is he not? 😁😜
Thatcher was the main proponent of the current situation
blair was what i call a trojan rat
Not me I disposed him from day 1 there was something about him I just didn't like, I was brought up in a Labour household & always voted Labour until him .
We've been systematically betrayed. And, unfortunately, accounts most likely won't be settled.
Right! And there is no going back.
70 years ago we were taught by the priests and believed that if we did anything at all that might be considered a “wrong”, we would to hell. Now we are taught by small girls that if we burn fossil fuels, we will have hell on earth in 10 years. The loss of the Christian religion has led to creation of new saints, prophets and ideology for a new religion.
Absolutely
and thank god God for that...!!! *( and for little girls-who speak truth to power ).... 🦖💨
@@starcrib She's a puppet for the globalist elites. Look at all the receipts from her airline tickets to Davos etc....
@@kronossonork6994 All the climate scientists in the world (and everyone learning to be one, and every amateur) could all be in the hands of 'global elites' (whoever they are). Or they could just be measuring reality using well evidenced tools and coming to a consensus of expert opinion while employing the scientific method. I recon it's one or the other.
Don't give up Malcom The holy spirit is moving in more people than ever. Who would have thought that Donald Trump would become the most powerful pro life advocate saving the lives of millions of babies so far and kanye west would be conducting Sunday services in place of profane concerts. Conservative Christians are winning this world back now. No doubt the return of jesus is close at hand I pray my brothers and sisters see the simple but soul saving wisdom of repentance and forgiveness before it's too late. My life has taken a 180° turn around since holy spirit filled me up
Why the dislikes? The Hitch is spitting facts.
NPCs dont need a reason, they are programmed like that. I doubt any of them actually watched this interview
No, he is spitting his opinion. That may be well founded, but still, opinions. Not facts. He himself is quite aware of that, by the way.
Mack Lee ... he’s a perennial doom monger and pessimist and thinks we’d be better off as a 19th century empire. Another example of where he’s wrong he thinks society is immoral because of the decline of Christianity and therefore we should believe in god. God is obviously a construct of man’s imagination but he thinks if we believe in something we made up we’d be better people. Humanity evolves and thought patterns change we all just have to accept that and make the best of it. He thinks if we all think like he does, as a previously ardent commie, everything would be tickety boo. He espouses a lot more sense than many social commentators one hears today though.
He's NOT "The Hitch", he's NOT spitting "facts". The Hitch and him rarely agreed on anything, least of all on morals and where we get them from.
@Adam Fromm He is a realist while you are a fantasist....
This is what happens when the propeller hats get their foot in the door.
Lol!😂👍
Yeah... But... Ye goode olde medieval days when everyone towed the party line for fear of eternal hell.
Well everyone except Shakespeare and Darwin.
Jesus wept 😢
😂 😂 😂
@Daniel Moore
Well just look at the state of the place since the lower ranks took over. Where's the King Charles of Clubs (and other weapons) when we need him to restore order? I say we call in the spades and dig him up.
👑 ♥ 👑
"The fact is very simple. Unless you are going to deliberately prevent a thing being good, you cannot prevent it being worth fighting for." [G K Chesterton]
The old woke Britain is dead.
Long live Great Britain.
the fire rises
Britain's over. Scotland and N.I will be leaving, the Tories have almost guaranteed that by ignoring and sidelining and undermining their democracy.
Its sad you think this is all about wokeness. The real questions are: will our children get a good education, will the NHS conti ue to function in an effective way that saves lives and continue to be free at the point of use, will public services be worthy of a civilised society, will housing become affordable, will ppl get paid an honest days pay for an honest days labour, will people get a reasonable pension for their lifetime of work? If the last 10 years are anything to go by, the answer is No!
Leaving the EU won't make the big elephant in the room go away. Mass third World immigration is going to destroy Britain. It doesn't matter if Scotland becomes independent. Ethnic and racial tensions will tear England and Scotland apart. Multiculturalism never works and it can be kept alive only trough oppression. Eventually the system wears down, people have enough and many people die. This is not a rocket science. This all has happend many times before, and will happen again. It's not about 'if', but 'when'.
Too Slav To Function it started with colonialism,why are their Indians in Africa ,
What's the biggest Indian city outside of India it's Durban now guess where that is ?
Who brought Asians to Tanzania ,Kenya ,Uganda,South Africa it was the British .
You think what you want
Thanks Steven and Peter. Listening to Peter Hitchens is always interesting and helps me to understand what has happened to my county.
The Blair years were the last nails in the coffin
Cameron the heir to blair continued the decline....
@peter burry Thatcher actually did Britain some good. Look at France. At least we don't have problems with unions anymore.
Blair represented exactly what Britain stands for. Hitchens represents the same British imperialism, just in a different way.
@@dnickaroo3574 Even at his peak in 1997, Blair only got 43% of the electorate. There were always more Brits against him than for him. I never voted for him.
The last nails went into the coffin long before Blair. What was the uk called pre joining the then Common Market "The Poor Man of Europe"
I thought guys like this no longer exist. Refreshing to see someone with values
They do exist but their voices are rarely heard because they are outside the discourse window,
sadly.
@@AnnabelleJARankin Indeed, all we get in the media are highly managed soundbites, as in programmes like 'Question Time', where everyone is thinking from the same box. A serious challenge from the audience to deflect conversation into something more fundamentally serious is soon deflected by the chosen 'Master of Ceremonies'.
Yes. I am concerned that the younger generation believe what they hear and are poorly-educated just enough to stay inside 'the box'! I often think my parents, who lived through the war as children, would be horrified were they still alive to see our great nation reduced to the rubble of selfish rhetoric; and devoid of Christianity to such an extent that Franklin Graham cannot come and preach in private venues in England without 'offending', though his late father openly preached to hundreds in Trafalgar Square in 1966.
@@AnnabelleJARankin hahaha. 'Young people just believed what they're told'
Ok boomer.
In reality you're the one who has been indoctrinated. This is the age of information. Christian 'values' are poison, we know that now. Stay under your rocks you'll be more comfortable hiding from the change that needs to come.
@@SanPeddy That's not what I said - I referred to the poor amount of education leaving people just ill-informed enough to believe the current rhetoric. Look in the mirror! You actually think 'ok boomer' has meaning!
And whether or not you personally are a Christian, everyone has the right to choose either way rather than be deprived of the opportunity to hear the gospel... unless you want a fascist regime in the rosy future you envisage. Indoctrinated? Nah, I have made free choices all of my life and stand by the need for all of us to be able to do so.
'What makes successful societies, particularly of northern Europe, so effective, is the principle of trust, that if you make a promise, you keep it.'
- Peter Hitchens (Paraphrased)
And there was no 'taqiya' and 'kitman' and a bunch of Jihadis being used to screw western civilization as there is now and replace the traditional British value system.
doczg88 deluded
Jared Taylor likes to make that point as well.
doczg88 If that is true, then it is a failure on the part of those societies to put aside their xenophobia.
@doczg88Tell me, why can't you trust someone born elsewhere? What makes them untrustworthy for you?
He really does have a point. The Jordan Peterson phenomenon doesn't propose to defend civilisation or bring traditional institutions back (nor does it pretend to). It's useful for individuals, but doesn't amount to anything more than reactionary self-improvement.
What exactly is "reactionary self-improvement"?
You got bootstraps Bucko, so get pulling yourself up.
You got bootstraps Bucko, so get pulling yourself up.
What do you think happens to a civilization when everyone tries to honestly and steadily improve themselves with the humility to always assume they don't know everything?
@@sirellyn4391 that's about right. it takes strong individuals to strengthen their community'
Never thought l would agree with THIS Hitchens!
lol same...
Then you a doughnut. Peter is a salty leftist. We are only just beginning to turn this country around. We don't need commies like this spreading the seeds of defeat in the British people.
Another great interview from The Sun and Steven Edginton. Hearing from Peter Hitchens is always a welcome experience, even if it is often an uncomfortable one.
Hahaha! Well said
As an American I found this very interesting. What is described as happening in GB's politics and social morality/loss of Christian Faith is also true of the US. It's curious to me that the C of E has rules against divorce when divorce is what it was founded upon. Hmmm.
Chrislamic faith was supposed to collapse, it was never ours.
Religion does not equate to morality
elsharkio true, but TRUE faith in True religion will result in it.
The King is God!
Henry VIII sought an annulment, not a divorce, which led to British freedom from the Roman yoke
The Church has been replaced by the *Church of Woke.*
I am listening to this some 18 months after the interview. Peter was remarkably perceptive about Boris.
Not really. Anyone could see it.
This interviewer is far too well spoken for The Sun. Always glad to see another PH interview. But sad when I think of his quote during the Owen Jones interview - "As I approach the evening of my days...". He's not going to be around for ever. He has certain mannerisms and movements of his face that really make me think of Christopher. Thank God for Christopher; he put me on to Peter!
It's sad that so many can't seem to appreciate PH other than in reference to his brother.
@@haroldgodwinson4674 If they're ever fortunate though to grow up properly, not just in age, then they will come to.
@@haroldgodwinson4674 Never had any time for Christopher. He was always about the argument for the argument's own sake. He never cared what side he was on so long as he got to show how achingly clever he was. Peter, on the other hand, never says or writes anything he doesn't believe and actually care about. Huge difference.
Joe Francis Spot on !
"Thank God for Christopher"! He'd be most upset with that statement and luckily for you he can't come back to haunt you.
No one does doom, like Peter. He makes a profound point about WW1 It had a catastrophically dysgenic effect upon the UK, never mind the collapse in faith in both God and the establishment.
@@stoufer2000 That's quite the question to attempt to answer in a CZcams comments section. Though Peter makes a strong case for the Theist position during this discussion.
@@PrincipledUncertainty it certainly is, I would now question why anybody believes in the EU in its current state, it is unravelling with or without the UK and needs to reform
@@simonclare100 I would rather see it wither on the vine.
@@PrincipledUncertainty completely agree
@@stoufer2000 lmao so by your logic the zionist are working in collusion with the russians???
I see Aloysius Parker from the Thunderbirds in Peter Hitchen 🤣
The main reason we turn away from religion is because we simply know it’s not true.
The darkest hour, is just before dawn.
Craig not in this case
Lonely Algae ultimately good will triumph over evil. Check out the parable of the prodigal son. Light shines in darkness. Where is this darkness but within, ask for illumination
Not sure Hitchens (the eternal pessimist) would agree with you.
Actually, it isn't.
DOOM AND GLUM from a man who has given up, I want to fight on.
Out of the strong came forth sweetness.
Me too. But the masses don't. And it's the small fronts that matter.
Eric Delf Nice on pancakes, a poor maxim with which to plan your family’s future.
@Phil The Messer Self employed.
Seems to me he’s fighting daily.
Weird
1 film 2 movies
Trouble with Britain, too many takers, not enough givers.
Who gives the best strokes in Britain.
@@foolishfool2413 Dem foriners, innit?
Trouble with Britain: too many talkers; not enough doers.
Nithingr so what are you hoping to do?
@@miguelsilva9118 40% dont pay income tax, this is a welfare state designed for women.
So uplifting to see that there are still intelligent eloquent men who believe in upholding Christian values like Peter Hitchins.
@Agent A - Christianity is being attacked on all fronts these days, so I disagree with your assertion. Furthermore, you don't know me, so what gives you the right to say I don't work for these values?
What amazes me (but perhaps it shouldn't) is that Peter's brother was such an avowed athiest and Dawkins supporter
Dr Diablory you say Christianity isn’t rational yet atheists believe the whole universe created itself from nothing, stop thinking you are clever and above religion like Roman society, Soviet Society thought they were yet they all crumbled and Christianity prevailed
@@sistersusie8569 why be amazed ? He was correct .
@Lycan well said .
I like the way Hitchens give a completely different perspective on these various topics. Great stuff.
Peter, you had a chance to address your disagreements with Peterson, but all you did was tell us that you disagree.
Couldn't you have given one example
There's a review of Peterson's book by PH somewhere online. If you search his blog you could find it.
@Benson Walker agree wholly, I can't add much more to that, so I'll borrow from the left
He missed a perfect opportunity to start a conversation
@@goodyeoman4534 I may look into it if I find the time, but... Well refer to my other conversation, would have been a perfect opportunity to catch my interest, instead, oh, someone disagrees, fantastic
@Benson Walker Well said. It seems like Peter the-only-conservative-in-the-village Hitchens is becoming a contrarian on absolutely everything. His constant despair is also getting a bit tiring.
He has a pseudo-point with Christianity, but in this age of information, religion will become a thing of the past.
I agree we need to continue living by the best tenants of Christianity, our nation was built on them, but they don't need Christianity to propogate.
We can see the real world consequences of our actions now, we don't need a magic man in the sky to judge us, that's the job of our peers. Ethics can be attained through the scientific method, logic will outcompete feeling in this arena.
I'd argue atheists are more moral by virtue of them not being cowtowed by threats of unending torment to be nice.
Five of my dads, brothers fought in the last war one was a POW, he was captured after the bloodbath at Dieppe he came back in 1945 weighing 6 stone after a forced march in the coldest winter Europe had seen from Germany to Prague. And for what? No help or housing for him or his brothers, no handouts and a crap pension. His daughter was attacked and stabbed in a park with her kid in a pram, his area is now completely unrecognisable and unsafe, along with his house being broke into. A land fit for heroes.
To really understand the psychopathy of the elites who send men to die for empire and profits, you have to know that they have seen themselves as God's since they fused Plato and Hegel with the esoteric diabolical Kabbalah, watch a video on here called 'in plain sight' the gnostic elites are very calculated in trying to create 'heaven on earth' it's almost as if they feel that they have to anger God to shake their lust to be him.
"as above, so below"
At least we aren't speaking German
@@leeboy2k1 Nice analysis. From an agnostic (from agnosia).
I'm very sorry to hear this. They most certainly deserve better. May God be with you all.
The guy who does this interview is excellent! Well done.
Imagine how different this interview would have been if Cathy Newman had conducted it. So what you're saying is...
The Real Boy Wonder Or an even worse hard faced, rude,ignorant so called presenter ( more like interrupter) Emily Maitlis! She makes my skin crawl.
A political interview lasting an hour and all your IQ can reach for is Cathy Newman. God help this country... no wonder we're in such a mess
@@theconversation9103 Don't you know about Newman's ridiculous interview with Jordan Peterson? People on here get the 'in joke' about her.
The Conversation does not ‘get’ the conversation. Hahaha Now change your name to Conversation?duh
Nah, I don't think Newman would need to make any implications, as Hitchens is quote precise in his speech, unlike Jordan Benzo Peterson.
"I set out to subvert the nation" Peter Hitchens 2020.
@Guy Fawkes. I dare he'll let you borrow that one, Guido.
1914 people lived in dire poverty.people of your class lorded it over the rest of us.
He is so right about everything.....
I think we are on the verge of a rebirth but there IS a lot of truth in what Hitchens is saying. I'm in my early 60s-my grandparents could all have quoted yards of the Bible, and although 2 of them were more or less atheists in later life, they had had religious principles so dunned into them in early life that it affected their attitudes & actions for the rest of their lives. Also, everyone in our family who fought in both world wars came home, so I'd assumed that we had the wars, they finished. we won and we all got on with life. It's really only in the last 10 years or so- studying family history and inheriting documents and letters- which have made me realise how much damage was done mentally and physically to everyone involved. I also remember a Great Aunt remarking when I was a teenager that 'the best men' had gone off to war and either never came back or came back damaged.
Having said which, negativity about the present state of GB has been Hitchen's thing for some time now. I understand it but don't believe it.
I,m a similar age and absolutely agree and confer with your viewpoint and comment regarding Hitchen,s perspective. I,m also optimistic regarding our future and the potential for the current generation.
Britain was dead in the EU (under rule of "Great Germany"). But after the Brexit, Britain becomes Great Britain again.
In the past, I had reason to hate the UK because of hostility and injustice against my country. Now, I'm going to put the GB flag at my house.
All luck and prosperity I wish to the UK now.
Fantastic interview, thoroughly enjoyed watching it!
Mr. Hitchens, like his brother, must be an audio engineer's nightmare. Such a mumbler!
Yes, his voice tails off and goes deep. Even with the sound turned up, I keep losing the end of his sentences.
@@markscott554 Agreed!.
@@miragejeff1 Ditto!
@@markscott554 Ah, thank you, I thought it was my lack of english.
@@markscott554 Ah, thank you, I thought it was my lack of english.
Well done Stephen - it’s amazing what you coaxed out of one of our greatest public intellectuals.
That doesn't sound quite right...
Like him or hate him....Peter Hitchens speaks honest facts
The Sun has actually been putting out some really good quality content lately. 👍
What’s missing in his comments is recognition that the problems he is describing are happening in pretty much all western countries. Also, he ignores the harm caused by mass non-European immigration in recent decades.
decline of organized Christianity is not the problem, the rise of non-Christian religions is
You say that like no religion is an option, which it clearly isn't for the majority.
No it started happening before Islamic imagination if that’s what your referencing. But that’s not to say it’s not making it better.
@@bones642 agreed
Well said mate, I'm not Christian and I'm not following Jewish religions. But rise in Islamic religions is so funny.
He’s a bit too full of himself sometimes.
The young chap interviewing is doing a good job of it again. He’s allowing Hitchens to speak and answer properly, without any point scoring or “gotcha” attempts.
Mike Reger and who isn't
Who else is other than himself is he supposed to be full of
@@chrisbennett606 It's an expression, you simpleton.
Peter is romanticising. There were muliple economic crashed before WWI, there was high poverty and inequality.
@Daniel Moore yes of course it depends on what point he is making. However given his path and experience he should know better. He is just as much an ideologue as he was when he was a Trot, he has just switched positions. The fact is he is pessimistic, but lacks the genuine cynicism of his brother. The fact is Cultural Markism, and Social Conservatism are two side of the same coin, the both have trouble respecting the principle of rights, and you can throw in progressive "neo-liberalism" and identarianism too. There is nothing wrong with secular principles, the problem is people don't don't stick to those principles.
Given his overall views I can't agree with him on much. Social Conservatism, isn't a guarantee of liberty or even the best as he claims. Anyone who has studied history would know that is not only is than not true, there are few guarantees of liberty, all you can do is uphold the principle of rights.
His brother isn't around to tell him what's what and he has since drifted toward some warm and friendly non existent place in the past.
@@martinda7446 he fell out with his brother ideologically well before he died.
@Northern Observer Inequality is necessary for the functioning of society? So serf and Barrons? Inequality is relative, but it also the cost of living that counts. So the level of inequitably is a societal test of morality.
There is no moral superiority in social conservatism, they are the biggest hypocrites of all,
I respect the young interviewer’s curiosity and intelligent questions to Peter Hitchens. He admits that he is an atheist, but doesn’t use it to dismiss, insult and mischaracterise Christianity, as has become the standard in Marxist Britain today. I think many feel a great sadness for what Britain once was and what it is today.
Marxist Britain? I think you meant Educated Britain
@@stepheningermany Ah, that is shows in the mathematics and science scores of brits even till University.
@J Mansfield I somewhat sympathize with the statement made by you although you might have a tendency to think up certain extreme circumstances without the extent of proof to substantiate your statement.
@J Mansfield Imperialism is a necessary factor with which one can truly presents to the greatness prevalent in what this one person holds dear or the land that bears his name. Since greatness is not supposed to come easy, I am not particularly an emotional creature therefore can admit to the undeniable fact that once Britain truly was great and greatness requires sacrifice.
God doesn't exist and only thickos think it does
There's always resurrection
@Mike X Insurrection and then resurrection.
Apart from his moral highground, Peter Hitchins is speaking a lot of sense here.
There's something about Peter Hitchens that makes you want to slap his face. You wouldn't want to be stuck in a lift with him. HIs brother, on the other hand, would have made great company.
@@hohum2722 I agree with you. Christopher was great to hear, he influenced me a lot. Only time I saw him defeated in a debate was with George Galloway on the Iraq war.
@@jamjam7921 The problem with the Galloway debate was that they were both wrong because they were both too simplistic. It was never as black and white as they described.
@@hohum2722 You may be right, nothing is as simple as it seems. I just think the invasion of Iraq was foolish, like kicking a hornets nest.
@@jamjam7921 We kicked the hornets nest of a religious civil war. And that's the rub; they were both right and both wrong at the same time.
Its interesting how different he views Christianity to the view of his brother.
In my view Peter is the deeper thinker. He's also a bit of a grouch, but I don't mind that.
ciaran perry Christoper was a sodomite, so therefore was a reprobate (Romans 1)
Probably because his brother didn't view history through rose-tinted glasses. Pete sees old dears with kind hearts gathering at some country church on a calm, peaceful Sunday morning. Chris was less nostalgic. He saw old dears with kind hearts being burnt at the stake for witchcraft.
Not that I'm taking sides.
@ciaran perry
I haven't. But I'm not suggesting he's completely blind anyway.
I'm just noting their cognitive biases.
Let's just say Peter is less cynical because he is focused on what he perceives as positives.
Maybe more so in later life as his perspective shifts and he struggles with an ever-changing world. It's not uncommon (in later life).
EDIT: For the record... Let's just say... Christopher wore shades.
@@richardmarsh4993 I think it's a bit of a fallacy to say that because something had be invoked to do evil under the guise of good, that the thing itself is evil through and through. Otherwise no one would ever be a teacher or doctor again.
"I chose this because of its haunting and elusive character, which will be with me at the last hour..."
--Christopher Hitchens
Peter Hitchens should be a Archbishop,he puts the case for christianity better than them.
Most Christians don't read the bible.
Peter Hitchens becoming the Archbishop of Canterbury could give him a new release of life. I believe that he would need to do what the good book (the King James Bible) says, and be more positive in his faith; and I paraphrase, "What ever is good, what ever is lovely, what ever is wholesome, what ever is enjoyable, like enjoying a sunny day at the seaside, I think that he would have to focus on those things, instead of trying to erect his deckchair on the end of Wigan pier. Although that may cut a comical character. "Cheer up, Peter. Tell people what our society could be like, be a real Christian revolutionary, it scares the pants off the Chinese Government. It is like yeast in the dough. And we are expecting a full blown revival. Anyway, after Donald Trump has drained the swamp, and the main controlling characters are removed, who is the only body who has the Power and Authority to truely heal all of our abused, hurting and confused people? And also heal and change the abusers, who themselves didn't expect to be caught up in performing the abuse...... There are many Sauls out there waiting to become Pauls. People waiting to invision people on how life can Be again." Jordan Peterson has given us a handle especially seen in the Cathy Newman interview, of identity politics, and has explained things to us, even oldies, which were sadly lacking in our education. One important thing I have learnt through Jordan Peterson is, if people don't go along with the lie, but call it out, then tyrannicals governments can be stopped in their tracks.
I would prefer it if he was a Trappist monk!
Muslims, Buddhists and atheists make the case for Christianity better than the bishops of today.
But is he a Christian, or is it a case of what’s best for us? But it’s of little relevance to his life?
He's a candidate for antidepressants.
He hardly ever smiles and when he does it looks reluctant.
There is always hope and leaving the EU is an exciting opportunity
Richard Brown because the things he is talking about are serious and he's constantly thinking about what is coming out of his mouth. I'm sure when he is with his family/friends he's jokes and smile
Richard Brown I missed the bit about his belief that “we destroyed the UK to save to Conservative party”. How did he justify that idea?
TFEA OK - That is Exactly how I see them too! Fascinating. What are they conserving? For too long the only valid answer has been “Their careers.”
When South Africa started attacking white farmers for being white - May went over there and encouraged the regime to do it more! Cultural Marxism and embarrassing dancing.
I do believe the new government is slightly different - only because they will defend their careers differently..
Johnson has a colossal advantage and the way to defend it is to be the ambassador for new-wave cultural conservatives.
I’m pretty sure he will do everything he can to keep the Red Wall voters happy and away from labour..
Just like losing a leg is an exciting opportunity.
@TFEA
What's left wing about mass immigration? The point of mass immigration was to provide superior workers for industry.
Every Memorial Day I remember my lost great uncles, my grandfather and his brothers, so many heads of families that never had a chance to exist. All my cousins that never existed, our family reduced to 20% of it's potential. and for what. to see their sacrifice sold to the Chinese, Muslims and thugs. In another generation, the country will be listed entirely to foreign interests, lost too, all history of all our family's inheritance.
Islam will eventually conquer England, whether you like it or not
@@CD-ky4rl no it won't, enforced religion hasn't been a thing since we stopped invading people for the "Christian faith" no difference whatsoever except time and perspective, just like how we were initially pagan and overruled (invaded) by roman christians. Summed up invasion wise i don't think muslims are anything to worry about (historically speaking especially)
'We could have sacrificed the Conservative Party to save the country, but instead we sacrificed the country to save the Conservative Party'. Absolutely spot on.
To summarize, Hitchens is deeply in love with a beautiful corpse. And nothing will deter him in this aesthetic.
well said. he basically is a harlequin romance novel: 🦖💨...all fantasy.
@IAN WARD Are you sure? He is pointing out why our civilisation is collapsing - unfortunately though, he seems to be offering no solutions. I'm suspicious in that he used to be a Trot, recruiting working class people when he was not himself a worker. So, he's one of these people who is bound always to be opinionated. Still, he has many excellent points. There is an enormous loss of moral stability and life is going to get harder and harder for young people, despite better technology that still advances, for now.
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the FIRST TIME. T S ELiot
@Myth Tree I caught the very end of R&D in a couple of big electronics companies that no longer exist, e.g. Plessey (Csswell), GEC Marconi, then there was STC, Ferranti, er, Thorn EMI CRL, Thorn Lighting, Thorn EMI Electronics.... all gone since the mid 80s. That's just off the top of my head; I'm sure there are many more across other industries. Then there were a lot more Gov't labs too I guess. ... Yes, David Bellamy, my namesake, God rest his soul. The amount of stick I got in the 70s and 80s for that name, "Gwapple me gwapenuts" every day.
Dave Bellamy interesting
I'm really starting to get tired of Peter's doom-mongering. He has good points and all but I really wished he'd go and give up somewhere else.
If you're getting tired of it, perhaps you should stop listening - unless, deep down, you know he's right. Grow up.
@@TheCulturedThug why so salty? Who's bed did you fall out the wrong side of?
@@SebastienNicoBear Yeah okay Mike Graham good one very witty.
Great to see Steven Edginton is now working for the main press, I followed him when he started out with his own you tube channel and he was good then, he actually asks the right questions and lets the guests have their say, well done Steven!
My god I thought Peters voice was going to bore me to death, in the end I’m straining to take in EVERY word.
'Britain has been dying since 1914.'
'Well what was Britain like back in 1914?'
'I don't know, I wasn't there!'
for most people living in 1914 it was pretty darn awful . It's certainly better today.
@@operator6471 You really need to adopt the viewpoints of the privileged classes to fully understand those historical hindsights. :p
@@legalize.brokkoli I know right? Things have really gone down hill now the peasants have rights!! Bring back the good old days before internet, contraception and TV!
@@trickyricky1million893 I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Do you?
@@trickyricky1million893 you dont understand the point, we would have far more by now is what hitchens is saying had we not chosen the path we have
As much as I don’t want to admit it , . . he has a lot of valid points!
Some good points there, but I was not convinced by all of it. But yes, preserving the married family probably is key, I agree with that.
Yeah, damn facts and intelligence
Mark Kenny well he does drone on a bit and he’s not usually someone I would typically agree with, hopefully now you will understand more the context of my comment.
I love how little effort went into the background set, ikea shelves, few copies of the sun and coffee cup. Good job.
Thank you for the interview. There are many great thinkers and commentators around. Sadly they often aren’t given the chance to speak on mainstream formats.
I like Hitchens' remark that the Conservative party would guillotine the Queen in Parliament Square if it meant that they could hang on to office. Too true. As for the Church, as G B Shaw said, ' the Church of England is the Conservative party at prayer'.
It may once have been true what G B Shaw said of the C of E but I don’t think it is still valid.
"If nothing else works then a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through".
-General Melchett
"if nothing else works then a total pig headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through" Sorry to be pedantic :)
@@BaronVonGreenback1882 Thank you. I wrote it from memory.
And SHOUT
PH is spot on about Boris Johnson. He is not a conservative and thus will not conserve anything.
Are Any of them?..
If you go and look at the huge number of names in small villages it both breaks your heart and makes you think how WW1 must have devastated those communities. Often 50 to 100 names in the smallest of villages.
Despite agreeing with him on about 85% of issues there is something I find insufferably pompous and unlikable about Peter Hitchens.
Agreed. His brother had most the charm.
@TFEA This war in the Middle East will only get worse. It is on the verge of being a civilisational war. One which the Western world will lose. It's refugees or no refugees as ideals will not change
@Paul Judkins
So are you.
@Lucifer Defier yes, you do
He thinks he knows everything. That's what bugs me about him and I can't cut through it very easily and it prevents me enjoying listening to him. Especially with regards to cannabis, religion and marriage.
Shame, really.
Although his comments on the impact of WWI have merit.
I am so please that someone with intellectual standing like Peter has at last highlighted the catastrophic damage and loss we have irredeemabley lost and suffered and will continue to suffer due to the two great wars. I have for many years, believed this. I am 71 and mourn our loss of our culture pre 1970's. It was not perfect, especially for women but we were happy in our cultural way of, we felt secure and safe. I am English and WE MATTERED, WE WERE RESPECTED. THAT HAS NOW GONE. I also agree with Peter that Brexit saved the 'NASTY PARTY'S the Conservatives so nothing will change. As the Conservatives love to chant their mantra ' you must be able to work hard'. I ask why and for whom. I will leave it there. Just my thoughts
@@lindasaunders2955 pray tell, what does your generation think?
One of their primary instruments is making us think that the majority is against us, when the opposite is true...
Australia's spirit as a Nation truly began in 1915
Only a Nation since 1901
I'm sorry to think: Nothing can replace Christopher! What a loss of brilliance and intellectual honesty his death was!
I felt then as if I had lost a good friend. (The sort of older friend one looks up to and admires).
I still do!
The observation about the song ¨Please Release Me¨. (minute 28), is very true and enlightening...