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- Here is a request for assistance from a researcher; this is one of the last of the series of instrumental regional opt-out tapes initially sent to Scotland but also distributed among certain English (although rarely played) and Welsh regions. Known internally as YLN 47 XE1204 it was one of several half hour tapes tagged into either stand-alone service or used in sequence with others. This begins with the track Morengo which some researchers may well closely identify with two tracks at the 45' mark (approx) on the network BBC2 Swing Cocktail tape as well as the first 4 items on BBC2 X as being by Nino Nardini which was one of several pseudonyms for Roger Roger. It also features the full version of the Medley of South American Folk Tunes, 5' of which appeared on BBC2 tape prog no 4. The reason for the abrupt cut on the BBC2 tape was the constraints imposed by block timings, not in force for regional tapes.
I remember hearing this tape being played on BBC1 Cymru/Wales during their Trade Test Opt outs in the Autumn /Winter of 1973. along with Test Card G . The Tape finished with Waltz of the Flowers from Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite. The Finale track was Omitted. The BBC1 Wales version of Test Card was transmitted without the side bars. First time I've heard these recordings for 50 Years. Thanks for Sharing 🙂
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Good to hear from you Paul,thank you and Happy New Year.
Good to know you're still hangin' in! I feel I'm getting close to doing all i can here now without risking oblivion by bot - pity but I am always happy to respond to genuine researchers' requests.
Sometimes BBC1 North West Trade Test Opt outs when inference on the hourly tape during December 1973 La Vie Parisenne of the morning when the no schools broadcasts during Christmas holidays period I remember hearing this tape being played on BBC1 North West Opt outs In December 1973 also this file on half hour opt outs XE 1204 for my collection.
Beautiful tape ❤
Happy new year 🎉
Thank you Paul
BBC1 never showed that TC it was only shown on BBC2 between 16:00 and 17:00 with it's unique 1 hours of electronic music.
Believe whatever you want old luv!
What's that supposed to mean?
I was an avid TC watcher in the 70s and 80s and have 100s of hours of tapes of music and logged each to the TC shown at the time. So I know what I'm talking about, plus just a little bit more info. ITV always played classical music with it's TCs.
@@user-wo6qn3vf9n Well I didn't start this channel with the intention of being involved in arguments; and why you choose to pick one with me here I cannot understand. First, this version of TC G was used in Scotland to accompany this and some of the other regional opt-out tapes sent up and played out there at the time. Second, your claim that ITV always played classical music with their test card TX does bring into doubt your claim to 'know what you're talking about'. ITA/IBA - which provided the TTTs rather than ITV - used commercial grams of anything and everything from instrumental pop to jazz, and LA bossas to light orchestral and brass bands from 1956 up until approx 1969. Might I politely suggest you calm down a little please?
Different areas may have used different TCs and music. I can only go by the recordings I have from Wenvoe/St.Hillary, Mendip and Stockland Hill transmitters.
Thanks Paul happy new year to you
Ah, if only time were going in reverse...
Thanks for this Paul! Do we have a first TX date (even an approximate one) for this regional compilatopn?
network tapes distributed to regions maybe yes, but these specialities are much harder to pin down. P as Bs loggings for regional opt-outs as you may guess are rarer and when founds less accurate. My best guess is the lack of vocals ties it down to the late David Allan/ early Ross-Barnard era. I do know that when David left the IRU he did leave several TTT and other comps for his successor to make the transition a bit easier.
Hello again, and an incredibly belated Happy New Year. I'm wondering if you had any info on the earliest of the trade test tapes. These ones are, at the very least within the TCC, marked R1-R20, the names I'll assume you know. These have ended up eluding me for the entire time I've been researching these (while I do enjoy the music, every one of my special interests has a google doc associated with it). Hurts even more knowing the only alleged audio of the tapes is from Christopher Williams. In short, is it possible that you could upload any of these tapes? I really don't care which, just knowing more about one of them would be a win in my eyes.
(P.S - in semi-response to my first comment, I finally realized what I find in the CEEFAX compilations - a way to fall asleep. No offense to the older tapes, but I think the first track of something like Tropicana would be enough to jolt me up out of whatever sleep i'm getting at that moment. Also, it's great music for the semi-occasional weather channel sims I run.)
You will have to explain what you mean by "TCC R1-R20". These letters/numbers mean nothing to me I'm afraid. I doubt these are BBC tape numbers? The earliest trade tapes (as opposed to live discs) were TX in 1955 and were noted as tape 1A, 1B, 2A,.2B etc; are these the ones you mean? Edit: Ah, are you referring to the test card circle when you use TCC? If so then I cannot help as it seems they have their own peculiar means of reference to tapes; maybe ask them on this one? I founded that group back in the late 1980s but since then they appear to have gone their own sweet way! I would need some real tangible information in order to help you.
@@paulsawtell3991 You would be correct, that they are some rather old tapes, but not exactly originating in 1955. These tapes originated any time from August 1959 to March 1963, where it seems the Circle decides that the last two tapes to be introduced in that year (Bugle Call Rag and Tag, respectively) start a new numbering sequence.
One I would particularly like to see is Binokel, which I hope is the correct name for it, as it also seems to have been in use 5 years after its introduction in 1963, if their supposed listing of the records of trade test transmissions from the 23rd of December 1968 is correct. However, I would also certainly like to see something else from that time period, if the information lies in your hands.
Hopefully, this much is able to make it more clear what tapes I refer to. If this still remains a confusing thing with what info I provided, I have no further info to help, as I do not actually have a subscription to the Circle, I just have to use the free articles they provide on their website.
@@RealC2rblx OK let me try to help as best as I can. My dear departed friend David Allan took over the responsibility for trade tapes at the BBC in August 1959, numbering them from 1 onwards. Reasonably enough as there was only BBCtv in those days. Binokel (the correct title track) was number 20 in that sequence. That marked the last of the BBCtv tapes; from then on there was BBC2 to consider albeit perhaps prematurely but of course there were tapes provided for early pre-launch BBC2 trade tests. Originally these had quite long and arcane production numbers - they all did actually, but for TX and PRS payment purposes they were numbered on BBCtv/BBC1 and then lettered on BBC2 when the station officially went on-air. It sounds cumbersome I know but politics eh? The real reason was that PRS royalties were based upon assumed audiences and back in 1963/64 BBC 2 had hardly any! Back to Binokel: you would have heard it for however many years after its discontinuation on the network depending on where you lived as it was a much-used regional opt-out tape. For example in the Midlands from the Sutton Coldfield transmitter you'd have heard it up until late 1971/early 1972. David - rather than the Circle - decided the tapes would be re-numbered from Bugle Call Rag onwards. Hence Binokel is (old) number 20 and Bugle Call Rag is (new) number 1. However the opening BBC ident was retained until tape (new) number 3. .. yes, it's all rather odd! I hope that sheds some light on your enquiry. Regarding posting the Binokel tape, I have to be careful with permissions as I do not want all the work I have put into this humble channel to be struck off by unintelligent bot. I hope you understand.
@@paulsawtell3991 1971-72, eh? I had at least presumed that it had gone through till 1968 (given a few of the Caversham Logs that the TCC provides for free, from December 1968). And I do understand not posting the Binokel tape, but in that case, assuming you have it, could it be arranged that the PasR for Binokel (if that's the right document, which I presume it to be), as well any of the other 1959 sequence tapes, be delivered via an email? I know that had been discussed once before, on a video of yours, but there's no indication that went fully through. I am willing to fully go through with that route, for research's sake.
Test Card G - first appeared only in the London area in Jan 1972?
Yes that's true; it was trialed out on BBC2/BBC1/ITA transmitters in the London area for a few days each, but the old cumbersome and expensive slide scanners used in the regions were soon phased out in favour of this (modified) Philips generated box of tricks to enable a colour signal to be TX during opt-outs rather than the previous versions of black and white C or D.