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Yes The BBC 2 Test Card Don't Need 24 Hour's Television These Day's Bring Back Happy Memories.

@@ianbennett66 if only they did too.

It would be nice if the test card ceefax or both were on now instead so too indeed of all that is on surely of course.

@@BruceDanton-xw6eg Do you really imagine they would choose such interesting music if it were brought back? Sometimes it's best to leave well alone I think.

I guess you are so right there too.​@@paulsawtell3991

Hey Geraldine! Good to hear from you. I'm extremely well thank you despite having now turned 65 years young. Really glad you like this tape; one of David's true classics in my opinion.

Hi Paul,thanks for your reply,I'm 60 now myself last week the time does fly as you get older,thanks again for these.

@@geraldineoconnor2101 Enjoy m'dear! And best wishes for your birthday.

@@paulsawtell3991 Thank you Paul.

Ah yes, David in his element. Perhaps an interesting aside is that David had fought the nazis as a RAF pilot and then not so long afterwards was taking much of the material for his Trade Test tapes from Germany. He was a remarkable man and I was privileged to have know him, and his wife, for well over 25 years.

@@paulsawtell3991 yes I remember reading that too in one of the now old of course copies of the tcc magazine of which I have too.

Most of the lists, whoever has them these days, would have come from me, really. Both 'missing' tape's P as Bs were also donated to them by me many years ago. Why they now claim to you not to have them is beyond me.

@@paulsawtell3991 It's not that they claim not to have them - it's that my source, who had found a collection of their older sheets, was unable to find those two sheets. That's why I ended up turning to you in the hopes that I could find that information.

@@RealC2rblx Why do you need them so badly I am wondering? However I can tell you the TCC does have them so it will be far easier if you go back to them. Surely as a member they will make information available to you. The others you mention are far more likely to be updated. I do what I can here to help researchers but unlike the TCC I am a (busy!) one-man-band.

​@@paulsawtell3991 The main reason I am asking for them is because of how much information I ultimately do have. I have information regarding the complete tracklists for nearly every test card tape - in a few cases, supplemented by my own research, but not that often. Those two tapes are the only two I have that don't have completed information. If I had those, I pretty much have as close to a 100% complete PasR list as can be reached - the only other tapes that I don't know about are the CEEFAX AM tapes, but I'm pretty certain those are beyond what you have as well. Hopefully that explains why I'm asking.

@@RealC2rblx I suppose my question was why the TCC are not helping you? I thought, at least in my time there many years ago, that members who paid a sub would be in a position at least ask for information? My; if that's not the case anymore how it has all changed.

I know what you mean but 'June' is not the tune here! neither is it her sister April.. Nor any part of the Carousel score. I did that show several time in my time as a pro musician and would have instantly recognised them. I did give a CD of it to a long-standing MD of amdrams and he didn't have a clue either. I also sent it to David Jacobs but all i got was a dusty reply from a BBC producer claiming the CD I had sent was blank.. utter nonsense of course. It's too late now to ask Alan Dell or Benny Green!

I too would like to know the name of tune number 1 as I have been obsessed with this tape all my life

@@colinhughes-ri7xo I did ask David if he might remember (not expecting that he would so many years later) but no. It will definitely have arrived via the EBU Koffer scheme and is certainly played by one of the many German Radio Orchestras. Incidentally, many of those orchestras used a lot of British players. It is also clearly a fragment - not an entire piece - to make up the first block timing of 6" which it does, together with Serenata. Then the following item, Jerome Kern Melodies Medley, is also edited at the head to provide the second block of 9". Without giving away anything which might be incautious, a colleague of mine had an 'in' with those radio stations some years ago, but again, no luck. Similarly the last tk is also a German recording; the tell-tale snare drum sound and the sax section mix give it away by miles. My guess, and it's no more than that - is that it is an original composition rather than a standard and thus harder to trace.

Regarding the first theme of the first track, it occurs to me that it might be either a theme or incidental music from a film rather than a song, as one would need considerable vocal dexterity to sing it. If the brass quote is from 'June' then could the medley be of music by Richard Rodgers? It's just a thought - not entirely convincing!

@@anthonymarlow8325 The Richard Rodgers avenue has been explored. Incidental music as part of an overture eg is certainly one of my guesses. Maybe music for a dance routine? However in my 45 years as a pro musician involved in many things including hundreds of shows I have never encountered it.

Well PAL anyway LOL!

Can't disagree with any of that. But it's so sad because that level of blandness becomes the yardstick of those poor souls who are fed nothing but that kind of thing called pop.

@@paulsawtell3991 I was in mcdonalds today and the music can only be described as warbling into the microphone,if only they would play something like THE HIGH LIFE

Yes but aren't we so better served by "Who wants this rubbish we bought at a junk shop", or "Jane and Carol have just bought this house.." etc etc? Ho ho!

Ho ho! We all had those sort of mishaps back in the day!

Good news all round!

Believe whatever you want old luv!

What's that supposed to mean?

I was an avid TC watcher in the 70s and 80s and have 100s of hours of tapes of music and logged each to the TC shown at the time. So I know what I'm talking about, plus just a little bit more info. ITV always played classical music with it's TCs.

@@user-wo6qn3vf9n Well I didn't start this channel with the intention of being involved in arguments; and why you choose to pick one with me here I cannot understand. First, this version of TC G was used in Scotland to accompany this and some of the other regional opt-out tapes sent up and played out there at the time. Second, your claim that ITV always played classical music with their test card TX does bring into doubt your claim to 'know what you're talking about'. ITA/IBA - which provided the TTTs rather than ITV - used commercial grams of anything and everything from instrumental pop to jazz, and LA bossas to light orchestral and brass bands from 1956 up until approx 1969. Might I politely suggest you calm down a little please?

Different areas may have used different TCs and music. I can only go by the recordings I have from Wenvoe/St.Hillary, Mendip and Stockland Hill transmitters.

Are you 'the' nigelmorgan I used to know all those years ago? If so how are you old chap? Long time.

@paulsawtell3991 Yes, 'tis me. Oh dear! Rumbled again. Just like that 1960s TV series, there is truly 'No Hiding Place' Much thanks for all your posts: really enjoying them when time permits. As this is a public forum, if you would like to get in touch again, Lucy has my contact details. Nice to see you're still around.

@@nigelmorgan7223 Hi Nigel! Great to hear back from you, and sorry for the late reply; life is still hectic although without the gigs these days. Covid lockdowns scuppered many of us performers and and being of a certain age now reckoned for me at least is was a blessing in disguise. But I do feel so sorry for the younger musicians. These days, believe it or not I turn a coin as a funeral celebrant which I find so rewarding.

@@paulsawtell3991 Hi Paul, good to hear from you again. Like you I've reached that certain age and am enjoying retirement although it really is a myth isn't it that retirement = more leisure time. Death tried to grab me last year but I told it to naff off and believe it or not, it duly obeyed! 😁 I have turned my hand to writing - mainly about Britain's (particularly Birmingham's) railways. I have also (co)written a book on divorce & remarriage in terms of Bible teaching. Yes, I too, feel great sympathy for young people these days trying to earn a living and get a roof over their heads: it was bad enough in our day. What it must be like now doesn't bear thinking about. Do keep the BBC tapes coming WHEN you get time.

@@nigelmorgan7223 Thanks Nigel and really good to chat the other day.

It wasn't as much a decision but the fact that the tapes were already compiled as a sequence which did not include no7. I also have to be aware of permissions and Mozart Edition, although no longer administered by Helen Frankel is still sometimes tricky. The fact appears also to be that the interest in this era is diminished and while I try to assist genuine researchers a line has to be drawn before the channel faces indiscriminate oblivion by unintelligent bot.

The B/W pie chart was in use up until 1973/74.

That sounds like mid to late 1970s; the JRB vocal tapes (I posted one here) look up Borsalino dupes. As I called it. I'm sure you will remember that one. Thanks for your interest.

Ah well, it was only pop music after all...

I do what I can when I can grab a little spare time; for reasons which I'm sure I need not go into, this cannot become a 'request channel'.

Yes indeed so.

I and a few colleagues saved it all.