Feudal Japanese vs Medieval European CASTLES
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- An in depth analysis of the similarities and differences between Medieval European and Japanese Castles, presented by Shadiversity and The Metatron.
The Metatron's video on Sekigahara: • The Battle of Sekigaha...
Pommel of Mass Destruction and other Shadiversity T-Shirts: teespring.com/stores/shadiver...
Shadiversity on Patreon: / shadiversity
Thank you very much Shad for this opportunity! It was an honour to make this video together and appear on your channel :) and thank you everyone for watching
Metatron
I feel obligated to tell you I don't know who you are.
Scott Radcliffe
He's basically Shad that focuses on the Japanese
Just as awesome tho.
Jake Hutson
A Italian weeb who looks like he belongs in a metal band and sounds posh for some reason.
Never thought I would say that sentence.
A Medieval Europe Expert from Australia.
And A Feodal Japan Expert from Italy.
And I watch this from France.
Internet... man.
And you comment was red by a german that is married to a taiwanese wife :)
@@Puschit1 and written in English :D
@@khor11 By a Mexican who speaks Spanish that is gonna visit the only castle in america next week.
THE FUTURE!!!
And a Chinese-Indonesian Catholic
Japanese castles might have mad wood, but European ones are rock hard... I'll see myself out now.
😏
but what about 'tower envy ' ?
Yea, but no castle is beating an African one
@@-gemberkoekje-5547 because they don't exist
@@RedMcCarl atleast you got half of the joke
Shad: "Beware poor pronunciation."
Shad: *proceeds to pronounce Sekigahara correctly*
I was pretty impressed by his accidentally appropriate pronunciation...
I've been told that if you want to pronounce something as correctly as possible, speak it with the accent. Want to pronounce german as correctly as you can? Speak german viss ze german accent. Pronounce chinese? use engrish, etc. etc. etc.
@@5peciesunkn0wn *Proceeeds to drop a bucket of spoons down the stairs*
Am I speaking it properly?
@@Cryogenius333 eh , close enough.
@@5peciesunkn0wn German makes my jaw hurt whenever I try to speak it.
“Castles are like onions. Onions have layers. Castles have layers. Castles. Onions.”
Their smelly and nobody likes them?
@@Aatell764 No, they sit outside and get all brown an sprout little white hairs.
'Still closed, still closed. Mmmm..."
Their smelly and they make people cry
Castles are like Onions, when somebody cuts yours in half you cry.
But.... But...
Castles can't fight each other..
Well...Unless they are super sentai transformers
How is this not an anime already?
+Bruce Wayne
.......that is a VERY good question.
+Bruce Wayne
Well the Power Rangers once had a pyramid zord. Google "Pyramidas"
pretty funny.
yes
Well, the main city in Soul Eater is actually a big mech, so that counts too
The guy with long hair is impressed me a lot..
His passion and knowledge of japan are real thing..big up from japan 🇯🇵
Btw his name is The Metatron... Just saying... And yeah I have to agree... I actually kind of like him a little more better than Shad... Even though shad is amazing
:)
The power of weeb. But positive kind of weeb.
@@rumuelnathanael8043
He is more of a romeeb
@@rumuelnathanael8043 I think he has Italian and Japanese heritage.
One of the big differences that I didn't really see being talked about is that Japanese feudal castles were done during the 16/17th century, and had access to gunpowder.
And if you look at European fortification before and after the introduction of Gunpowder you'll see a big differences (those done by Vauban comes to mind).
To me one of the big reason Japanese raised to ground behind castles is that the ground can far better absorb the shock from cannons.
Yeah, Vauban's fortified places (not really castles anymore) have those tank-shaped earth walls. Vauban was way too good...
@@ThePrime125 That's the French quality for ya 😁
@@theh5099 you mean baguette
@@TheDarkestPaladin Non, croissant (or if you want to create pass hysteria in any french community : Chocolatine
N dV hence, king of france complained to vauban if he made a gold walls, because it's too expensive
Earthquakes, that is an excellent point. Explains a lot. Thumbs up.
why doesn't southern Italian castles look different from rest of Europe, shouldn't they be in ruins by now. they seem to be fine despite earthquakes. or was the imported castle building technology so advanced that they withstand earthquake by the time they were built?
@@Folkmjolk when were they built? If they are late constructions they might have upped their game quite a bit, because all the early castles did collapse as expected.
@@Xplora213 late medieval period i would guess, i know they aren't from the renaissance when cannons were common.
I feel like Shadiversity, Metatron, LindyBeige, ect, need to make a huge history documentary.
YES YES YES!
I think they need to make a huge castle.
Add Skallagrim in there.
Eff that, they need to make a historically-accurate MOVIE w/ Skallagrim
Has long as Shad includes his dual sword twirling
Show a nuke intro
Shad: Let talk about feudal japenese castle
*Oof.* Didn't even think about that.
Japanese machicolations are amazing btw, wow the way the geometry just flows with the walls is absolutely gorgeous! The architects who designed these things are amazing, I can't even imagine where to start on a project like that. I've built a ton of realistic castle recreations but I have never ever been able to come close to how creative and resourceful these people must have been. I mean imagine the terrain they had to deal with for some of these projects. Just the coordination of the labor force astounds me, I know a lot of castle had issues and weren't perfect. But, so many were so elegant and lined up perfectly, so much thought and intent was put into them. I have to wonder if castles were constantly under renovation to include the latest and greatest idea's. There's no way someone could have come to a plot of land and in a few years time come out with a beautifully designed private fortification like some of what we've seen in this video. And with that it must have been an amazing site when the newest trend was introduced to your local castle!
I recently watched the Medici's or something like that and they designed and built the first cathedral with a massive dome roof. It was the first of it's kind and I think of just how at awe the local populace and those on pilgrimage must have felt when entering such an amazing structure!
He ended that chair rightly
Yes. Skallagrims channel is awesome
Darn, you beat me to the punch... by a year... : P
Shadiversity, Skallagrim, and Metatron should form a For Honor team. Shadiversity would play as a knight, Metatron would play as a samurai or centurion, and Skallagrim would play as a viking. That would be so cool
This has to happen after this Coronavirus stuff happens!!
I love the way you guys (both you and Metatron) are able to present historical knowledge with so much charisma and fun!
I with my history teacher had done this back when I was in school.
Me: sees headphone users beware.
Me: puts Down volume.
Nuke: explodes.
Me: it’s safe now, raises volume
Shad: DESTRUCTIOOOOON!!!!!
Me: dies
A history documentary series on CZcams presented by Lindybeige, with Matt Easton, Shad, Skall and Metatron... that would epic!
falcons1988 yessss do that
I wish that could happen 😔😞😞😞 but hey!! I can always dream
Earthquakes are an excellent point. If the skeleton of the structure is wood, it can be made in a jointed way that allows it to sway. Stones can't be joined in a way that let's them sway without collapsing. Modern day steel structures can be build like wooden ones but with the strength of steel.
Actually, I was about to make the comment that stone walls are not all that bad against earthquakes. The mortar used to make them is chaux, it's a bit on the soft side as far as mortars go, but that's what makes the wall move and absorb the ground movement. The chaux is like a sort of joint inbetween every rock. We have evidence of walls that were on a flat ground when they were made but that are now curved because the ground moved. That wouldn't be possible with today's mortar because it is harder and would crack instead of give. A modern stone wall is more resilient but more brittle. Also, the romans' stone and brick walls were made in a way very good way for accommodating ground movement, and most of the medieval stone walls were built on the romans'.
Probably that the japanese construction was better suited for earthquakes compared with most of the european walls, but the medieval stone wall is not as immobile as what we have today in non-seismic areas.
all hail rebar!
@@vonsaponatheim3736 Makes sense. Many castles built centuries ago in earthquake prone areas of Europe are still in prime shape.
@@Nerobyrne the Greeks and Romans would scoff at that
@@RedMcCarl and they'd be idiots.
It's curious because you live in Australia, so you are closer to Japan, while he is probably closer to Europe, yet the subjects are reversed.
Australia was colonised by the British so people in Australia would probably have more knowledge of European history than Asian
@@josepharmstrong6502 Also, what does it matter if the distance of your subject is 4000km or 6000km away? Both are too far to make regular trips
It was just a possibility
I think Metatron is Italian (and lives in Italy), so he isn't closer so much as *in.*
@@brigidtheirish True by australian standards italy itself is a museum
It was a great collaboration. I really enjoyed this.
Meanwhile in a parallel universe, Shad is still unscrewing that pummel
You sure he aint using explosiv machicolations?
Seems to me it should have gone off on the third twist. It did for Rick Sanchez.
But can these castles withstand a knight that can launch a 0.9 kg pommel at a distance of 3m?
If the pommel weights almost 1kg, I don't wanna see the sword it belongs to...
(probably 3m long, 5cm thick and wielded by an anime girl)
Imagine it like the holy hand grenade of Antioch where the orb is the pommel and the small cross is the blade and guard.
In fact the holy hand grenade probably is just a pommel.
nothing can survive the pommel
Never
I have wached several of your video and i think this collaboration is one of your best and most professionally done. thank you for sharing this i loved it and have watched it 4 times already
Shad, as a Japanologist myself, I found your Japanese pronunciation of Sekigahara surprisingly accurate! I'm not sure whether 'the' Metatron had a hand in that, but it's just impressive!
This was actually an extremely good video, very informative and fun. When i first saw its 30min duration i thought that i won't watch untill the end. But when the video was finished i was shocked because i was so interested that i did'nt know how much time has passed.
Thank you for this awesome collaboration.
Wait, was the Holy Hand-Grenade actually a pommel of mass destruction?
Of Antioch
Terraria?
Who knows?!?!?!?
Quin illud sit.
@@wakopako2803 Monty python
What a brilliant vid. I love the level of detail, and the dedication to things like animations. Well done to both of you.
Thanks guys - Shad and Metatron for doing this one together, really interesting.
Metatron had trouble unleashing his inner MACHICOLATION! He is still young in the ways but he will learn
Mondo Cool he doesn't know de wey. Shad will show him de wey
Speet on da fake machicolations brudda!!!
I've built many castles over the years and even though the advantages of stone and wood are quite impressive, I still prefer lego. xD
Lego offers the best protection against your walls being stepped on by pesky giants.
But does it have MACHICIOLATIONS?
And what about dragons?😋
@Kyle Muncal I like how you act like legos are cheap
but wood and stone would probably still be cheaper
I still prefer minecraft
Excellent collaboration. One of the best I've seen. Great work!
I think Metatron could have gone into much more detail on just how much of Japanese castle design was centered around preventing fires. For instance, walls and towers were designed in order to contain any one part that might catch fire, killing the flame rather than letting it take the rest of the structure. There's also the decorations used on castles meant to give supernatural protection primarily against, you guessed it, fire. Not that they realistically helped so much as to emphasize just how much of a serious threat fire was considered by the designers.
Additionally, castle structures in Japan were centered around a pair of pillars set upright within the structure. When an earthquake would hit, it would tilt like an inverted pendulum but return ultimately to its upright position. The wood used to construct the rest of the castle would be able to lean and reset for exactly this event, which could happen daily.
I still love that sequence with the pommel.
Yeah I'm just curious if he gives any of those proceeds to Skallagrim seeing as how that's his whole meme.
shad all your Medieval youtubers should all make a video together with every one like skall linybeige scholagladiatoria metatron and all the rest
What's this? A CZcams crusade?
They can all join up and march down to Jerusalem together!
A debate about pommels
One issue: they're literally spread across the world.
Yes! They really should do this more.
This was awesome!!! So glad you both did a video together! =)
Guys you two should collaborate more often, because this is one heck of a video!!! Keep up the great work!
But what about dragons?
Iroden Sharnn
MOTHER FUCKING DRAGONS!
put siege weapons on towers
But what about the droids attack on the Wookies ?
Western or Eastern dragons?
That's what all the sushi was for!
Wow... This channel just keeps getting better and better! Thanks for the amazing class and keep up with the good work Machiculation Lord.
kk eae Julio?
Eta diacho, me acharam. rs.
Tá pesquisando para o projeto minha casa minha vida é?
Sempre. rs. =)
GREAT JOB guys! One of the best videos either of you have ever done!
Excellent, informative and very enjoyable. I subscribe to both your channels and it was great fun to see you team up with Metatron on this comparison study of castles.
That intro was golden
Whenever I see "Headphone users beware" I turn up the volume.
Captain Cookie at least I know now that I'm not the only crazy one
Captain Cookie I'm sorry what did you say I can't hear you
Captain Cookie enjoy tinnitus
Thank you for taking so freaking long on doing that headphone warining at the beggining. It took me like half an hour to notice that warning was dedicated to me, as I was wearing headphones.
Great collab and video in general, very informative and well articulated.imo
YEAH BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!! I love all the colabs I see. You with OSP, Metatron with Ian... All people I follow and love
Oh ye :)
Overly Sarcastic Productions? :D
rubén Galván wait, which Ian?
Troy Weatherford Ian Laspina from Knyght Errant
Altrunchen yes! Awesome channel
"Size does matter! There is such thing as too big!"
-Shad, 2018
How about the size of a planet?
@@nullpoint3346 a bigger planet is always better
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023
Not really, too big and it's a star.
@@nullpoint3346 wow you're stupid. Planets don't become stars
@@some_shitposting_idiot3023
A gas giant is a planet and they can become stars, and iron stars can exist, eventually.
I hope there is more opportunities for you both to team up. I love seeing my two favorite CZcams Historians work together
The castle shown at 14.32 looks a hell of a lot like Corfe Castle located in Dorset. I stumbled across this castle when on a Harley ride across southern England. It would have been an amazing structure in it's day. There is an amazing story attached to the history of this castle and a very courageous lady named Lady Mary Bankes.... It's always cool recognizing faces and places in your videos.....
Wow. This was a fantastic idea to do this in terms of a comparison. This taught me that there really is more than one valid way to build a castle, and it is super cool how the different contexts led to such a massive differences in castles. The comparison helped me contextualize and comprehend the Japanese castles so I could even understand how they worked with being so different, and helped me to learn more than I already did about European castles.
I seriously underestimated Japanese castles. But I'm sure we can all agree that castles, of all types, are awesome!
HOARDINGS!
I was just discussing the functions of these the other day with someone, and we couldn't the the life of us figure out what they were called until now.
Excellent video, Thank you!
This was fantastic. Great job both of you!
The Shadatron is one of my new favorite youtubers!
Hahahahahaha dude, thats sounds like the nickmame of some pornstar. Loved it.
I've learned so much from you guys on CZcams, particularly you, Shad. Before I discovered your channel, I had very little interest in European castles, but they're like... Astoundingly interesting to me now.
Your videos are very educational, and I really can't express how awesome it is to be able to learn this stuff without having to read a bunch of articles (I have a very short attention span when it comes to reading stuff).
I really wish schools would teach this kind of stuff (and in an entertaining way instead of your typical robotic and boring way). I have learned so little from going to school, and so much from just doing my own research, especially on CZcams.
You guys, the creators, are awesome. Thank you so much!
Thanks so mach mate, comments like this makes it all worthwhile ^_^
Pretty awesome to see you guys collaborating! MOAR!
It is a delight to see you both on this vidéo
HOLY SHIT THEY DID A COLLABORATION! DIVINE DREAM COME TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thought this was a Metatron video based on the title, then I saw Shad do a Skallagrim meme. So confused! :P
(Also, Skall needs to get that shirt!)
i think skall is beyond tired of that meme.
He will never live that down
Miner Moleman It’s our only historical meme (other than Sargent Gunny from those ENTIRELY scientific videos), we must cherish it
Actually, skall likes it, he just thinks it's overdone. That being said, we do need more MACHICOLATIONS... I mean... history memes.
...But what about dragons?
This video is exceptionally well done. I thoroughly enjoyed it!
DAMMIT SKALGRIM!!!
That pre intro is pure gold, good job Shad! :D
Shad Fact: Shad held a "Giants With Slings" charity event over the weekend, to raise funds to help restore a castle, due to a clerical error a cyclops was allowed in. All funds raised during the event have gone to repairing damages, and shad is out 10 dollars.
?
an italian and an australian... what could go wrong?
Dvdshaman
Hahahaha...
I don't get it.
I don't know? A wine-making contest? The joke seems to have gone over my head, although a Google search did reveals some interesting facts about Italian Australians via Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Australians
He’s saying that they will be intimate, one of the largest ethnic groups in Australia are Italian Australians
Both nationalities have a reputation for being impulsive and hedonistic. Those stereotypes don't seem to apply very well to these individuals however.
This collab was so cool and interesting!! I've been waiting for a video about this for a long time and you went SO in depth it's fantastic. 👍😁 also MACHICULATIONS!!!!!!!😄
I have to say that this is a very interesting analysis of the two different styles of castle. Very well thought out.
Y'all should write a book about it.
Speaking of Krak des Chevaliers, it also has the inner walls that are supported by a steeply sloping glacis (like japanese castles) which provided additional protection against both siege weapons and earthquakes because earthquake damaged the castle in 1170. so knights hospitallers built walls in such a way to prevent further damage from future earthquakes
Metatron + Shad. Two amazing historical weapons and armor youtubers, together in one video. I also love that Metatron brought up the Machicolations, probably one of the best parts of any castle. Very will done to both men in this.
Somehow you managed to defeat my incredible short attention span and I watched the whole thing, awesome content!
Two great minds put together - the result is awesome! Thank you, gentlemen! Keep it up!
Nice collab video this is very fascinating
I visited both type of castle, and I must admit that I've been more impress that I thought i would by Japanese castle. The ingeniosity and quality of wood workers was incredible. Plus those "woods" wall were much more that just wood in the end.
Himeji Castle did survive a lot of earthquakes and is still standing strong to this day.
you'd be surprise how earth quake proof those old Japanese castles
Yeah, I've seen video of how the structure handle it while I was visiting the Castle in Kanazawa! Pretty interesting.
You can go a long ways making your structure narrower at the top than the bottom as well. Japanese castles, I've noticed, never have vertical foundations, but are ALWAYS slanted. The base of the foundation props the top up from the side as well as from under. Too steep to easily climb, but not so vertical as to become unstable in an earthquake or heavy rainfall.
in California building are constructed for earth quakes. they would not be allowed in Florida because of the hurricanes. different building codes for different areas. Europeans had more destructive war weapons because they were located in the same land mass. Japan is isolated and enemies would have to launch a maritime attack verses Europe where land attacks are the norm. no competition.
@@nunyabizwack343 I don't think they had building codes back then.
really enjoyed this vid, seeing Metatron in action, and the differences between the two styles, i hadn't even thought about earthquakes for example! Thoroughly entertaining. Thanks to both.
It's great to see two prolific youtubers like shad and metatron working together without envy!
Also, you picked so many great pictures, I could spend hours just watching those beautiful castles!
Luckily I do live in germany where we have plenty of them, albeit many of them are detoriating. It consumes so much money to maintain them.
Holy shit. Bless both shad and metatron for this amazing video. THAHKS GUYS!!
WHAT ABOUT THE
CANNONS!!!!!
Well, if you want to ' Drag Gonnes' about the place, that is up to you ;)
absolutely love your channel came across by accident when i was searching for roman villa builds for Conan exiles keep up the amazing work :D
I saw a documentary on China's Forbidden City, and similar techniques were used for these woodmen palaces as for Japanese wooden castles, and for the same reason. They did a shaker test, and the amount of energy the wooden structures could absorb was uncanny.
Placing a building against the outer wall also make building it more cost effective as you only need to build 3 walls not 4
Also, by only needing to be built using three walls instead of four, you actually get maximum volume for a given amount of wall by having the length be twice as much as the width, so you have more room between the buildings hugging the wall, and the center of the bailey, which is especially good if the keep is in the center of the bailey.
But that also means that you only need to knock down three walls instead of four. Why waste all those men assaulting the castle through a narrow gauntlet of death when you can chuck rocks at them with a trebuchet from a thousand feet away?
Hollyshit, I never imagine I lived to see this day.
0:00 Technically Skall was here too, through the meme
This is a perfect example of how collaboration videos should be done.
"Perfectly positioned large hills are not always where you want them." - Would they really be perfectly positioned then?
nikolai60 LMFAO
nikolai60 two different meanings of well positioned
Want = need.
A hill with a 60 degree incline with no neighboring hills of comparable size is almost worthless if the nearest population center with a population higher than 2,000 is a fortnight ride for a single lightly encumbered rider.
ITS SHAD AND METATRON!!!! Happy day
A fantastically presented video, you both did such a good job. The primary reason for such a different approach (earthquakes) puts everything into context. They were different because they HAD to be. Love your work fellas.
"I'm gonna butcher the pronunciation..." --> Best pronunciation of Japanese on CZcams by someone who doesn't speak it. Seriously, that wasn't bad.
This was a thoroughly enjoyable (and educational) collaboration. Would that make it "Shadatron" or "Metaversity"? It does not matter. I hope more are planned for the future!
4:45 It's over European castle, we have the high ground!
"But lots of European castles were built in higher elevations."
Stop ruining my meme!
This was awesome! Thanks Shad and Metatron.
I’d really like to see a video where you guys discuss how the two cultures fought during wars or army versus army engagements!
This was a very informative and entertaining video. Glad you guys collabed!
YES! I've been wanting this video for AGES!! Here's to the next...
*C O L A B O R R R A A A T T I I I O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O O N N N N N N N N N N S S S S S S S ! ! ! ! !*
This was awesome! Would it be to much to ask for you two, to come up with a hybrid design between all the cultural styles you know... of what you think would be a good design for a castle or fortification.
Shad, after seeing your "pommel of mass destruction ad" a few times, I decided you need a "machicolatioooooonsss!" Shirt.....I would definately buy it
Loved this video, thanks gents
Thank you, Shad! I can't begin to express to you how much I appreciate you and your channel.
"...Earthquakes..." Thanks for cracking that for me, mate!
That's awesome you guys collaborated, I watched metatrons channel before I came across yours
Not saying I replaced him though lol
As someone who had a character in a Tabletop RPG with a sword that had a rocket launcher in the pommel...I need that shirt
Thank you. I remember requesting this in a comment on one of your other videos, but I never thought that you'd actually do it. This is so awesome. I actually visited Himeji Castle in Japan once, and I remember how amazed I was at how well hidden the machicolations were.
I think "Sekigahara" is actually the best pronunciation I've heard of a Japanese word coming from Shad. :P (Actually, I think it sounded fine.)
That was a pretty badass collaboration. Like other people are saying, it's awesome to see two great scholars work together to teach and entertain an interested and curious population. I look forward to seeing more great videos from both Shad and Metatron in the future!
That was awsome!!! Few video's script
s can beat a friendly debate like that one