A point about siege ladders

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    In the movies, climbing a ladder to attack a castle is shown a suicidally dangerous. Was it? How did they actually use ladders in assaults on fortified places?
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  • @BenjaminEmm
    @BenjaminEmm Před 3 lety +2081

    “A point about siege ladders”... 52 Minutes... Is it Christmas already?

  • @whyyousobudu
    @whyyousobudu Před 3 lety +4320

    At school "oh no, not another boring 45 minute history lesson"
    Later that day- "oh boy! 52 minutes on the history of ladders! What a treat!"
    Difference - the teacher

    • @Eidolon2003
      @Eidolon2003 Před 3 lety +138

      In a traditional school setting this would be less exciting, but still more exciting than normal history class lol

    • @cerebralm
      @cerebralm Před 3 lety +295

      History MUST be taught by people with the gift of story telling. It's not about dates and facts and figures, it's about STORIES.

    • @fripplicious7466
      @fripplicious7466 Před 3 lety +109

      @@cerebralm unfortunately that's not what the exam boards think

    • @alexwoloshyn9222
      @alexwoloshyn9222 Před 3 lety +110

      I think it has more to do with how much you have to pay attention, what the stakes are if you miss information, and how much you're exposed. 8 hours of Beige daddy 5 days a week plus studying would get taxing

    • @alexwoloshyn9222
      @alexwoloshyn9222 Před 3 lety +38

      basically don't be too quick to diss your teachers

  • @bradeki2997
    @bradeki2997 Před 3 lety +1253

    "My memory's not perfectly reliable." -guy who can rattle on for an hour with correct dates, pronunciations, facts, and figures.
    Yeah, I wish my memory was that unreliable.

    • @muizzmustafa4438
      @muizzmustafa4438 Před 3 lety +8

      Same

    • @CraftQueenJr
      @CraftQueenJr Před 3 lety +39

      He has notes

    • @theleetworldbest
      @theleetworldbest Před 2 lety +15

      This throws me an perspective on my own speechcraft. I have similar skills of talking on topic of expertise, even if I've just read on it, for hours with dates, details, rtc

    • @turtleninjai
      @turtleninjai Před 2 lety +12

      @@CraftQueenJr i feel like we need a what we see what he sees meming of this comment, because that seems to be a wall of notes

    • @Luduin
      @Luduin Před 2 lety +15

      "a point..." goes on for 1hour

  • @barrisonplayz4937
    @barrisonplayz4937 Před 3 lety +472

    Now I can't stop thinking about specifically bred anti-siege attack bees, whose existence depends on a very bored guard

    • @johnladuke6475
      @johnladuke6475 Před 2 lety +34

      Selected for their aggressive tendencies and rapid breeding, and the guards wear bee-striped livery.

    • @maxmccullough8548
      @maxmccullough8548 Před 2 lety +13

      @@johnladuke6475 yeah it's like a portuguese or venitian duke who keeps crap tons of imported africanized bees, on top of his fortifications, size some clay hives to be used as onager ammunition too.

    • @andrewt4456
      @andrewt4456 Před 2 lety +8

      Like any biological weapon, the issue in its deployment is ensuring its specificity in targeting the enemy alone...

    • @TrainerCTZ
      @TrainerCTZ Před 2 lety

      The castle covered in strange full netting. Exits points on the wall for billions of bees to be released from......

    • @gentlemanzackp6591
      @gentlemanzackp6591 Před rokem +6

      ^^^^ there was a story on some french chateau where there was apiary right against some wall, and monastery was nested relatively alongside wall trees wildflowers in the area. one morning the guard was making ruckus up above on catwalk (wood board extension along stone path) accidently dropped one of the honey nest which was glued underneath the wood planks. it unleashed hell. however how humorous it was the guards fled inside the tower and shut the doors. pulled wool blanket over arrow silts. wedged it with tankards, food plates and random stuff they found at arm length. went downstairs, between corridors, and alerted others not to go to this certain tower and/or catwalk. it took about 2 days for the bees to settle down. Beekeepers urged guards to torch very dry burlap sacks and walk all over the tower. The guards did whilst beekeepers came and harmlessly gathered queens and rehomed inside wooden boxes. That was around 1390s France.

  • @dazhibernian
    @dazhibernian Před 3 lety +775

    Ladders are ok. They've got their ups & downs.

  • @spudicous
    @spudicous Před 3 lety +585

    "Ladders"
    52 minutes
    Never change Loyd

    • @Blackkey034
      @Blackkey034 Před 3 lety

      Jackindabox LADDERS

    • @aenorist2431
      @aenorist2431 Před 3 lety +6

      I assume his one point is "they make you go up, but wobbly"?

    • @Flight_of_Icarus
      @Flight_of_Icarus Před 3 lety +18

      I am watching a video by a man who themes his channel on the color beige talk about ladders, and I am absolutely enraptured. I don't know what this says about me as a person but here we are.

    • @MarkVrem
      @MarkVrem Před 3 lety +1

      Was bout 2 say.. Let me go get my 2 gallon jug of Orange Juice. for this one.

    • @-suiluj-
      @-suiluj- Před 3 lety

      Lloyd isn’t it?

  • @rextheroyalist6389
    @rextheroyalist6389 Před 3 lety +535

    I can imagine people gathering around Lindy in pubs like Socrates for thirty minutes at a time as he talks about the uses of game fowl in the preindustrial world

    • @voornaam3191
      @voornaam3191 Před 2 lety +7

      What's the use of being a royalist, when you live in a rock solid monarchy already? My King is an airliner pilot! "This is your King speaking, welcome to the KLM flight to London Gatwick. I wish you a peasant fight."

    • @rextheroyalist6389
      @rextheroyalist6389 Před 2 lety

      @@voornaam3191 it has two uses.
      1. I support the furtherance and/or establishment of monarchy elsewhere than Great Britain
      2. I am in active support of the monarchy I live under (even if the MONARCH herself hasn't been perfect)

    • @Star-pl1xs
      @Star-pl1xs Před 2 lety +2

      @@rextheroyalist6389 😬😬😬😬

    • @sctumminello
      @sctumminello Před rokem +3

      I entirely would just sit there nursing a pint listening to Lindy eludicate on some fascinating if obscure topic.

    • @chrismac2234
      @chrismac2234 Před rokem

      Id destroy him. I'm a professional soldier. There are many myths in his videos. Good fun though

  • @sharpie443
    @sharpie443 Před 3 lety +204

    As someone who has nearly died a number of times I can say I have never screamed. I don't think most people would. It's just not a realistic reaction. I've fallen out of a tree stand and my reaction was to say nothing because I was to busy trying to stop myself. I know a guy who fell while repelling out of a black hawk. You don't have time to scream. People don't even always scream when they get shot. It would be way more brutal if a director showed a guy trying to figure out what to do as the ladder starts to go back and slowly panicking as the inevitable happens.

    • @Jackomantaco
      @Jackomantaco Před 2 lety +19

      I come from Australia its the same when someone gets grabbed by a crocodile no screaming apparently

    • @sharpie443
      @sharpie443 Před 2 lety +15

      @@Jackomantaco I've seen a guy nearly get his arm cut off. He didn't scream. Just went into shock.

    • @marcosphillips4232
      @marcosphillips4232 Před 2 lety +10

      Lots of grunts and such though

    • @grizzlygrizzle
      @grizzlygrizzle Před 2 lety +27

      @@marcosphillips4232 -- For my near-death or injury experiences, it has generally been a muttered, "Oh f-ck." Often, the "Oh" was omitted. And "grunting and such" seems to have been my go-to response for extreme pain, such as having a doctor fish around under my kneecap with a huge needle sucking out debris from a torn cartilage (decades ago). And a kidney stone. And a spinal disc rupture. And so on. No screams though. It takes too much energy to scream. And you have to take a deep breath first. I don't trust screamers. Screaming seems too deliberately histrionic and attention-seeking.

    • @pseudonym745
      @pseudonym745 Před 2 lety

      hubbub u

  • @JohnDoe-ny5nq
    @JohnDoe-ny5nq Před 3 lety +775

    Almost an hour on ladders, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

    • @garymingy8671
      @garymingy8671 Před 3 lety +3

      Send him wine / an vodka , I bet he gets booted out of local bars - " no no shut him up /0ut ! " ..mope - walk- fogs roil - the slap o wet concrete - "L A D D E R S ! "

    • @G00N3YC4NG
      @G00N3YC4NG Před 3 lety +7

      @@garymingy8671 I'd be the one buying him drinks right up until the point he was kicked out!

    • @Kiss76specialK
      @Kiss76specialK Před 3 lety +5

      I imagine a top 10 points on ladders would be at least 10 hours long...

    • @zee7705
      @zee7705 Před 3 lety +1

      I was going to say .an hour on latter's that sounds about right but you beat me to it

    • @josefkun7466
      @josefkun7466 Před 3 lety +2

      What about hour and half?

  • @jasoncp3257
    @jasoncp3257 Před 3 lety +202

    I love how this is a 50 minute rant about Ladders

  • @Irishfrasa
    @Irishfrasa Před 3 lety +56

    Imagine climbing a siege ladder and the guy on the wall just yells out "ya like jazz?" Before beaning you in the dome with a beehive

  • @jacobdonnely2608
    @jacobdonnely2608 Před 2 lety +25

    "I think it's far more compelling showing large number of people's trying not to die, and contending in a rational way." I think this is part of what makes 1964's Zulu such a fantastic film.

  • @ShieldAre
    @ShieldAre Před 3 lety +1050

    Spartans: *Build a double wall during a siege*
    Julius Caesar: Write that down, write that down!

    • @Hebdomad7
      @Hebdomad7 Před 3 lety +41

      yo dawg, I heard you like sieges...

    • @robert23456789
      @robert23456789 Před 3 lety +12

      always good to take note's from history wish we still did that lol

    • @lowlandnobleman6746
      @lowlandnobleman6746 Před 3 lety +9

      Vercingetorix must’ve been real disappointed by that. I must say, I do feel sorry for him.

    • @riccardos2955
      @riccardos2955 Před 3 lety +14

      @CipiRipi00 I am pretty sure Ceasar had knowledge about Greek History. Greece was allready integrated in to the Roman Empire to that time and he was the highest religious figure in Rome. If he knew about that Battle and used the same tactics is debatable. Kinda funny if two army's found the same approach for the same problems without knowing from each other isnt it?

    • @maxvivian8642
      @maxvivian8642 Před 3 lety +3

      @CipiRipi00 either way weather he knew or not does it change anything? Is it really least impressive that he was studied enough in war to know past battles and then know when, how and the right way to implement it.

  • @banesnoN7
    @banesnoN7 Před 3 lety +154

    "Hot sand could be really irritating ..." Anakin Skywalker approves.

  • @bodkinrappallum6137
    @bodkinrappallum6137 Před 2 lety +66

    Lindy is my favorite scholar on youtube. He can literally ramble for an hour about one topic, complain about his unreliable memory while also quoting and crediting specific chapters of a book and properly remembering dates, the exact details of things, and all the while still delivering an informative and gripping lecture. Freakin awesome, love your work! Please never stop!

  • @theinacircleoftheancientpu492

    A point on beehives, if you drop it early enough as they start to place ladders, it could be a rather disturbing experience to have an angry swarm around you.

  • @abesapien9930
    @abesapien9930 Před 3 lety +712

    I love the irony of the title, as it should more accurately read: "A Voluminous Inquiry into Siege Ladders"

  • @Fade2GrayOG
    @Fade2GrayOG Před 3 lety +690

    Shad: Do you want to be in my short film?
    Lloyd: Sure, I'm free. By the way, you've been mispronouncing machicolations.
    Shad: I've rewritten your part. You're now French.

    • @TealWolf26
      @TealWolf26 Před 3 lety +21

      I thought you called them mah-kick-olations because you kicked at the enemy trying to climb up. 🙃

    • @loddude5706
      @loddude5706 Před 3 lety +21

      'Merde!'

    • @MrMaxBoivin
      @MrMaxBoivin Před 3 lety +16

      @@TealWolf26 You're not far from the truth. They're called "match[e]-col-ation" because you "mache" (beat) the "col" (neck) of those climbing up. It's a soft "ch".

    • @njarlblack1467
      @njarlblack1467 Před 3 lety +18

      @@MrMaxBoivin I think matche comes from the french "macher" what means mash in english. Neck masher sounds sufficiently metal.

    • @linkbond08
      @linkbond08 Před 3 lety +6

      @@njarlblack1467 metal content approved by metalhead.

  • @benshell8662
    @benshell8662 Před 3 lety +43

    Man I'd really like to see someone handle a 35 foot ladder with arrows, rocks and boiling water raining down around you. I work construction and handle longish ladders all the time, and it's hard enough to set up the taller ones without fear for your life added in

    • @The_ZeroLine
      @The_ZeroLine Před rokem +5

      Yeah, I think he way underestimates how hard it is to climb a ladder with projectiles coming at you let lone in armor and unwieldy weapons.

  • @alangriffin8146
    @alangriffin8146 Před 3 lety +28

    “So, thank you, Polybius.”
    This is so darned refreshing. And I concur, thank you, Polybius.

  • @shadiversity
    @shadiversity Před 3 lety +5654

    I was summoned here by machicolations and feel more French for some reason. This video is peak Lindybeige and I love it!

    • @commanderhindsight1633
      @commanderhindsight1633 Před 3 lety +335

      MACHICOLATIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONS!!!!!!!

    • @gerardvila4685
      @gerardvila4685 Před 3 lety +75

      French "machicoulis" with the "ch" pronounced "sh". Given that most of these guys were speaking some form of French (they were actually called Franks by their enemies), it's the most likely pronunciation IMHO. None of them spoke Greek after all.
      Edit: Archers could have shot through machicolations I think, not just from towers. And there were sometimes projecting wooden structures that performed the same function.

    • @drewinsur7321
      @drewinsur7321 Před 3 lety +54

      24:55 bro i think he missed the point with that raven thing: when the enemies put the ladder on your wall some body run there with a rope and tie or hook it to that mofoka and YEEET that ladder out. Preferably full of argentinians. Cuz im Brazilian.

    • @sabhyde5327
      @sabhyde5327 Před 3 lety +93

      Chadiversity

    • @leomar8577
      @leomar8577 Před 3 lety +10

      Shaaaaad!

  • @puskajussi37
    @puskajussi37 Před 3 lety +109

    That escaladed quickly

    • @lindybeige
      @lindybeige  Před 3 lety +56

      Ba-dum-tish!

    • @dakriss85
      @dakriss85 Před 3 lety +3

      I was looking for this comment and the internet did not disappoint me. Well done.

    • @attemptedunkindness3632
      @attemptedunkindness3632 Před 3 lety

      @@dakriss85 Don't condescend.

    • @Arcanefungus
      @Arcanefungus Před 3 lety

      @@attemptedunkindness3632 we have to finally ascend above that

    • @citycrusher9308
      @citycrusher9308 Před 3 lety

      @@lindybeige Hello, an associate of mine has made a debunk video concerning your ''why men are expendable''
      czcams.com/video/d-8_ARcPbBs/video.html

  • @ronjones-6977
    @ronjones-6977 Před 2 lety +14

    He reminds me of my favorite history teacher. She could talk for hours and you'd just be enraptured. I didn't always retain all the facts, but it made me WANT to learn more about the subject. Mission accomplished. Good teachers are rare jewels.

  • @CoolestKidOnTheShortBus
    @CoolestKidOnTheShortBus Před 2 lety +14

    A 30ft wall would be quite effective to combat 30ft ladders considering a ladder loses length depending on the angle. A 30ft ladder would be perfect for a 30ft wall if you wanted to climb it while it was straight up and down.

  • @EtzEchad
    @EtzEchad Před 3 lety +451

    "I'm warning you that it does make you sound a little bit French."
    Important safety tip.

    • @edgarbanuelos6472
      @edgarbanuelos6472 Před 3 lety +1

      It could save your life.

    • @johnlloyddy7016
      @johnlloyddy7016 Před 3 lety +2

      So basically, Ford is saying that their similarly named SUV model can climb over castle walls.

    • @humboldthammer
      @humboldthammer Před 3 lety

      Born French -- at least the name has survived in America since 1683. As my Father always said, "A little French goes a long way."

    • @humboldthammer
      @humboldthammer Před 3 lety

      @@johnlloyddy7016 No. It means "Over the Top." And it's Cadillac.

  • @Puleczech
    @Puleczech Před 3 lety +232

    43:20 The fact he scoured all his harddrives first and THEN the internet, clearly reveals that he has direct access to an offline medieval 𝖂𝖎𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖕𝖆𝖊𝖉𝖎𝖆.

  • @johnfowler8330
    @johnfowler8330 Před 3 lety +56

    When I was in training as a rookie firefighter decades ago, we used a “pole ladder“. An extension ladder with two poles, one on each side attached high up on the ladder, which could be pivoted outward and forward to support the ladder . While heavy, this ladder could be set up by four men, two at the base and one on each pole. This in effect made a freestanding ladder that could be adjusted for placement as necessary. Perhaps technology carried on from ancient and medieval times?

    • @alexanderkupke920
      @alexanderkupke920 Před 2 lety +3

      That would actually not be a bad design for a siege ladder. you can approch the wall with the ladder flat and don´t have to flip it over to lean it against the wall, which I imagine is almost impossible to handle depending on the length of ladder, but simply could push up the top along the wall while others push the bottom closer at the same time.
      I also wonder about how heavy those would be. a few years ago I had a roofer take a look with a ladder leaning against the gutter. The problem was that with the gutter being about 8 meters up, the ladder remaines far from straigth with anyone standing on it. actually the upper third turned almost vertical. This one was made of aluminium, but I doubt wood wouldn´t do the same.

    • @mrfrenzy.
      @mrfrenzy. Před 6 měsíci

      I was also a firefighter. In my country we call this an extension ladder. It can be carried and deployed by two men. After standing it up on the "poles" you pull ropes to extend three separate parts of the ladder up, then you tilt it to the wall. It can reach 14 meters high and does not go flat.

  • @evankearney4865
    @evankearney4865 Před 2 lety +33

    Just discovered this channel, and as a person with ADD I just watched this whole video with hyper focus. Wow, an hour on ladders, and it was the most interesting hour talk about ladders ever. I hit the bell button, nobody has the privilege of sending me notifications, but now you do ❤️

    • @crazytrain7114
      @crazytrain7114 Před 2 lety +1

      You NEED to watch his video on tennis!! Absolutly fascinating, Beige is also quite an actor.

    • @kronoscamron7412
      @kronoscamron7412 Před 2 lety

      he is entertaining for sure

    • @Darkurge666
      @Darkurge666 Před 2 lety

      Same here. Although long time fan by now!

    • @The_ZeroLine
      @The_ZeroLine Před rokem

      As someone with ADD, I find ADD to do the opposite of what people think. When it’s something I am interested in, I can pay attention for literally more than 10+ hours straight. It’s just boring stuff that I find myself unable to force myself to keep paying attention to.

  • @professorrubickmagusgrandi7909

    Me, About to get in a fight: "Be careful, we don't want to escalade this"
    Other guy:"Wait do you mean Escelate"
    Me:*Swings a ladder at him*

    • @eldorados_lost_searcher
      @eldorados_lost_searcher Před 3 lety +16

      Looks like he *puts on sunglasses* won't be climbing back up.
      *YYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!*

    • @5353Jumper
      @5353Jumper Před 3 lety +7

      Jackie Chan is famous for his escalade kung fu techniques.

    • @ivebeenbamboozled9210
      @ivebeenbamboozled9210 Před 3 lety +1

      😁

    • @clockworkkirlia7475
      @clockworkkirlia7475 Před 3 lety +5

      Fancy jump-kicks are for people who don't carry stepladders. Also useful in the grapple!

    • @LELANTOS11
      @LELANTOS11 Před 3 lety

      @@clockworkkirlia7475 yeah they're quite effective in wwe

  • @cengiztaner4754
    @cengiztaner4754 Před 3 lety +255

    Lindybeige is probably the only person I'd listen to who talks about ladders for an hour

    • @user-zj4qi3rr6p
      @user-zj4qi3rr6p Před 3 lety +1

      +1

    • @drewinsur7321
      @drewinsur7321 Před 3 lety

      24:55 bro i think he missed the point that raven thing: when the enemies put the ladder on your wall some body run there with a rope and tie it to that mofoka and YEEET those bitch.

    • @chrisedwards3866
      @chrisedwards3866 Před 3 lety +1

      His video on the scholar's craddle was wonderful too.

  • @weatherman667
    @weatherman667 Před 2 lety +6

    One thing we learned working on Fighting In Built Up Areas is that you always want the ladder's top to press against the wall just below the level of where you are climbing to. It makes it a lot easier to get off the other end, but also makes it a lot harder for defenders to do anything directly to the ladder. Ladders are also normally held at the bottom.

  • @ostlandr
    @ostlandr Před 2 lety +14

    The "supports" on the ladder at 47:12 can also be used to very quickly raise the ladder. Used to call them "Pompier ladders" in the fire service. One person "foots" the ladder to keep the base from sliding, and several on each of the poles can heave it up into position in one movement rather than slowly walking it up.

    • @rorystockley5969
      @rorystockley5969 Před 2 lety

      'Pompier' is the French word for fireman, so I guess the name is pretty straightforward

  • @TestSubject-vv1kn
    @TestSubject-vv1kn Před 3 lety +500

    Friend : "Hey, you've been watching that video for quite a while now. What's it about?
    Me : Uh........ *Ladders*

    • @felixmervamee7834
      @felixmervamee7834 Před 3 lety +31

      No, no, it's called "30 steps to victory". Gotta sell it a little.

    • @Jebu911
      @Jebu911 Před 3 lety +12

      If you put it boringly like that but in reality its a video about storming the battlements of a castle.

    • @hiimryan2388
      @hiimryan2388 Před 3 lety +3

      @@felixmervamee7834 nah mate its more like the slope formula equation

    • @spook407
      @spook407 Před 3 lety +6

      friend: .....are you planning to climb something?
      me: .....a castle......

    • @jek__
      @jek__ Před 2 lety +2

      And like, not even modern ladders made of fancy materials with interlocking parts that can accomplish all sorts of tasks, just plain wooden ladders lol

  • @justingrimshaw4815
    @justingrimshaw4815 Před 3 lety +151

    I’m already looking forward to “a follow up to ladders”

    • @Curathol
      @Curathol Před 3 lety +11

      And you just know, it's gonna be 47 minutes at least ...

    • @justingrimshaw4815
      @justingrimshaw4815 Před 3 lety +5

      Curathol one can only hope

    • @Desron58
      @Desron58 Před 3 lety +1

      To cover what wasn't covered in the 1st almost hour long video.

  • @-suiluj-
    @-suiluj- Před 3 lety +20

    In german there is a thing called „Eskaladierwand“, it’s a wall you have to climb over in military training.

    • @krautandsalo
      @krautandsalo Před 2 lety

      Seit wann ist das bitte der Name?
      Bei uns war die Wand auf der HiBa einfach nur die Wand.
      Die Hälfte der Rekruten wäre ohnehin zu dumm gewesen, das auszusprechen.

    • @pseudonym745
      @pseudonym745 Před 2 lety

      @@krautandsalo Seit wann bitte ist die umgangssprachliche Bezeichnung gleich der der ursprünglichen (also der "richtigen /schönen/guten und wahren... " )...?
      Und die Rekruten sollen ja auch nur drüberklettern und nicht "eskalare" durchkonjugieren...😄

    • @krautandsalo
      @krautandsalo Před 2 lety

      @@pseudonym745
      Vllt. Ist das laut zDV der richtige Name. Gehört habe ich den kein einziges Mal.

  • @robynn144
    @robynn144 Před 3 lety +15

    I have my own "point about ladders". At 1:05 Loyd mentions that: "Ladders do have a limitation...in the ancient world anyway" (1:05). I had a ladder slide away beneath me, and I fell 3 meters. Result: Open fracture of my leg. Saw my own bone! I'm alright now. It took two operations, and a year and a half to heal. In the "Modern World". In the Ancient World I had probably been dead as a door nail - from infections. So, I ASSURE you that modern ladders still have their limitations. Always make sure that ladder stands firm and take care when you "escalade" everyone!

  • @daslynnter9841
    @daslynnter9841 Před 3 lety +57

    Id like to imagine one knight started beekeeping as a hobby and everyone else was constantly complaining anytime they had to take over watching the tower.
    Of course thatd be one of the first objects thrown during an attack.

    • @daslynnter9841
      @daslynnter9841 Před 3 lety +6

      @G L.C meanwhile all the other knights high fiving in the background

    • @johndavidlockie1444
      @johndavidlockie1444 Před 3 lety +3

      It would be the first object thrown whether there was an attack or not

  • @expelledangel
    @expelledangel Před 3 lety +240

    Seriously, I'm not saying anything new here but I will reiterate: Lloyd is the only person who can get me interested in ladders enough to listen to him speak about them for almost an hour.

    • @ianleavitt8333
      @ianleavitt8333 Před 3 lety +2

      Had to listen to an OSHA lecture on ladders for almost 2... this is thrilling after that

    • @LELANTOS11
      @LELANTOS11 Před 3 lety +2

      Frankly I easily could've gone another hour of ladder talk

    • @mamba101
      @mamba101 Před 3 lety +1

      At 3AM no less

    • @Zraknul
      @Zraknul Před 3 lety +1

      @@ianleavitt8333 are you forwarding them his contact information?

    • @ianleavitt8333
      @ianleavitt8333 Před 3 lety

      @@Zraknul i should!

  • @ninjireal
    @ninjireal Před 2 lety +6

    0:44 Fun fact:
    During WWI, Belgium was defending against Germany. Belgium had some of the greatest forts in the world. But the Germans were starting to lose hope on a specific fort. “Well what are we supposed to do now? Knock on the door?” Someone said. One of the commanders present replied “Well, why not?”. The man drove up to the fort in his car, and knocked on the door. A peephole opened. “Do you surrender?” The commander said.
    And that’s how the Germans captured a fort by asking nicely.

  • @epicsage16
    @epicsage16 Před 2 lety +8

    I never knew I’d be interested in “the level of bee-hivery” used to defend castles, but Lloyd could talk to us about pretty much anything for an hour and it would be entertaining after he’s done some research about a subject.

    • @The_ZeroLine
      @The_ZeroLine Před rokem

      I was shocked when “bee-hivery” wasn’t in one of the top comments.

  • @Dinotechnician
    @Dinotechnician Před 3 lety +463

    “Call off the attack...there are some bees”
    Yeah, that sounds like a thing I’d say

    • @karoljones7455
      @karoljones7455 Před 3 lety +7

      Hell yeah, I ain't getting stung

    • @christophe5954
      @christophe5954 Před 3 lety +12

      Lindy has clearly not had 30 000 to 50 000 thousand angry bees trying to sting him, some castles stopped whole attacks with a few beehives. (I remember one in France which had beehives engraved over the gates to commemorate an attack on their city that was repulsed by bees.)

    • @adampalamara
      @adampalamara Před 3 lety +2

      Naked and the dead

    • @stretchedmetaphor3238
      @stretchedmetaphor3238 Před 3 lety +4

      @@christophe5954 do you happen to remember the name of the bee castle? I'd love to read more about it and searches weren't yielding anything

    • @angelortiz4815
      @angelortiz4815 Před 3 lety +3

      Would be very effective if everyone is allergic to bees

  • @generalgrievous2055
    @generalgrievous2055 Před 3 lety +222

    Engineer: Sir we can build massive catapults and siege weapons taller than the sun! What do you request?
    General: *L A D D E R
    engineer: Years of academy training wasted

    • @daslynnter9841
      @daslynnter9841 Před 3 lety +15

      Engineer: sir are you sure? We can make a trebuchet, or maybe use some of them new cannons! Maybe tunnel under them collapsing the wall and if not then we can go through the tunnel and....
      General: rope ladder, with little hooks at the end, and two guys holding it down.

    • @captainchaos3053
      @captainchaos3053 Před 3 lety +1

      General: I'm the leader I'll decide.

    • @Harabeck
      @Harabeck Před 3 lety +3

      I mean, if you had more men than time, seems like the ladders would be much quicker.

    • @generalgrievous2055
      @generalgrievous2055 Před 3 lety +2

      @@Harabeck more men equals more people to push siege to equipment, breaching a wall with only a few ladders and a few thousand men is going to be a bad idea, so I think ladders are more useful for skirmishers trying to annoy archers and kill the first wave of defense so the initial attack can face less resistance, or better yet for lightly armored infantry troops to lead a counter-attack and flank those men fighting your main breaching squad.

    • @nottoday3817
      @nottoday3817 Před 3 lety +1

      @@generalgrievous2055 Well, the point is, if, for example, you push a massive siege tower (assuming there are no moats and stuff like that and the terrain allows for it) you don't want for the defenders to wait for you in front of it, spear and bow in hand. So you need a few guys to strike in more position.
      And the last thing you want on ladders is lightly armored guys. You want the heavies on them because they can resist being pelted by arrows and other missile.

  • @ojs9068
    @ojs9068 Před 3 lety +5

    “Woah, that was a long tangent wasn’t it?” Can’t believe Lloyd only said that once during a 50 minute video on ladders.

  • @smokey466g9
    @smokey466g9 Před 2 lety +1

    Love these videos, love the length the detail and the randomness/ unexpected interestingness of them

  • @SamGlaze
    @SamGlaze Před 3 lety +526

    Only Lindy could make “a point” last more than 50 minutes, and that’s why we’re subscribed

    • @prince-solomon
      @prince-solomon Před 3 lety +3

      Yeah, not for his countless frankophob remarks... that people seem to have no problem with.
      He´s just joking. Over and over and over again... sure. How many jokes exactly until humor becomes xenophobia? I need an exact number. With Lindy, it´s gonna be a high one.
      I like Lindy, but he´s like an older uncle that is very knowledgable but keeps making racist remarks that everyone is just pretending not to hear... or they´re just jokes...

    • @aweliano
      @aweliano Před 3 lety +13

      ​@@prince-solomon What wrong with racism?

    • @jayhill2193
      @jayhill2193 Před 3 lety +14

      @@prince-solomon
      That's why everyone makes jokes about you, you take these joke way too serious and that makes them all the better.

    • @aweliano
      @aweliano Před 3 lety +7

      @Zacchary Francis AREVALO am I?

    • @Aqueox
      @Aqueox Před 2 lety +3

      @@aweliano Idk. Everyone knows we're all different. Why not acknowledge that?

  • @DustinM83
    @DustinM83 Před 3 lety +263

    "If you want to, go ahead and be my guest. But I'm just warning you, it does makes you sound a little bit French" - Is the most British thing ever said by anyone, ever.

    • @zachary4670
      @zachary4670 Před 2 lety +31

      With “I bet they attacked at tea-time on a weekend, the CADS!” being a close second

    • @jackmack1061
      @jackmack1061 Před 2 lety +7

      3rd, 'Napoleon was a right git.'

    • @subtleknife1073
      @subtleknife1073 Před 2 lety +7

      I imagine the "to me, to you"-reference wouldn't have meant a lot to most non-Brits. *chuckles quietly*

    • @grizzlygrizzle
      @grizzlygrizzle Před 2 lety +3

      From what I've heard in history-of-language circles, Medieval Latin was moving toward pronouncing the letter "c" in the soft manner rather than the hard "c" of classical Latin. That may have affected the pronunciation of "ch."

    • @jackmack1061
      @jackmack1061 Před 2 lety +1

      @@grizzlygrizzle assuming that is correct, does that mean cavae canem was pronounced savae sanem?

  • @esk5646
    @esk5646 Před 3 lety +3

    The first image that always comes to mind when I think of ladder-based sieges is the Battle of Helms Deep where the Uruk hai have those big hook launcher things and then using some pulley system or something, I’m not very well versed in the field of physics, the ladder gets pulled up

  • @snikeduden2850
    @snikeduden2850 Před 3 lety +5

    Tbh, all these measures to ensure the ladder remained stable sort of indicate that the fear of falling from the ladder was very much real (whether solely psychological or not).
    Also, as someone else mentioned, the vast prevalence of drawn out sieges suggests that scaling the walls was considered extremely risky.

  • @VictorianTimeTraveler
    @VictorianTimeTraveler Před 3 lety +606

    Boiling water: no big deal
    Hot sand: whatever
    Lyme: Eeerr I'll just keep my eyes shut
    Beehive: *No Not the Bees! Not the Bees!*

    • @christophe5954
      @christophe5954 Před 3 lety +39

      Lindy has clearly not had 30 000 to 50 000 thousand angry bees trying to sting him, some castles stopped whole attacks with a few beehives. (I remember one in France which had beehives engraved over the gates to commemorate an attack on their city that was repulsed by bees.)

    • @antthegord9411
      @antthegord9411 Před 3 lety +16

      @@christophe5954 thirty thousand to fifty thousand thousand? lol
      that does sound absolutely godawful though, I could see how it would be effective. same as spiked pits, same as boiling liquids, etc. besieging castles during medieval times must've been a nightmare.

    • @MJFallout
      @MJFallout Před 3 lety +3

      Double Whammy: Bees sauteed in hot oil!

    • @refinedbrass
      @refinedbrass Před 3 lety +6

      just imagine like 40-50 bees on the inside of your armor under your padding

    • @humboldthammer
      @humboldthammer Před 3 lety +8

      @@refinedbrass Now I understand why the guy jumped off the ladder backwards and sideways. Been there -- done that. It took me a long time to learn to control my fear of bees.

  • @raycearcher5794
    @raycearcher5794 Před 3 lety +76

    BROKE: Build a wall around the city you're besieging.
    WOKE: Build another wall around yourselves AND the city you're besieging, so other enemies have to besiege YOU.
    BESPOKE: Plaster all your walls so they look nice because war is no excuse for sloppiness.

  • @onetdev
    @onetdev Před 3 lety +2

    The true love that radiates from this guy towards what he's talking about. Like I've been watching him for like 4 hours now, I started with only a 3 minutes long video. I have to call my boss that I can't go to work until I watch all of the videos from Lindybeige. Amazing.

  • @ashleysmith3106
    @ashleysmith3106 Před 2 lety +3

    Fun Fact - Medieval castles in England had alcoves in their walls called "Bee Boles" where the beehives or "skeps" were kept. Generally skeps were made of coiled grass or straw. Easily carried to the top of castle walls !

  • @selske23
    @selske23 Před 3 lety +72

    "A point about siege ladders" One singular 52 minute lasting point. Carry on Mr. Beige, wouldn't want it any other way.

    • @krixpop
      @krixpop Před 3 lety

      will there be a "part two" ?

    • @miu6530
      @miu6530 Před 3 lety

      I played the video at 2x the speed

    • @miu6530
      @miu6530 Před 3 lety +1

      @Katarina Bleu ???

  • @florianlipp5452
    @florianlipp5452 Před 3 lety +183

    Fun fact:
    the most important festival in Geneva is the "Escalade". It's a celebration of the citizens of Geneva repulsing a surprise escalade by Savoy troops in 1602. According to legend, the escalade was repulsed by pouring hot vegetable soup on the invaders.
    The escalade is not celebrated by eating soup, though. Rather, the good people of Geneva do it the swiss way and eat chocolate shaped like a soup cauldron.

    • @stevencooper4422
      @stevencooper4422 Před 3 lety +7

      That must have been the last soup they ever had...

    • @TwistedAlphonso1
      @TwistedAlphonso1 Před 3 lety +1

      "I put the Lamborghini doors on the escalade."

    • @alandowning1320
      @alandowning1320 Před 3 lety +10

      I'm surprised Lindybeige did not mention this. "Ainsi périssent les énemies de la république!" the children cry as they smash open the chocolate cauldrons to get at the marzipan vegetables inside. Mère Royaume was the name of the woman cooking soup on the battlements when the Savoyards attacked by night.

    • @clockworkkirlia7475
      @clockworkkirlia7475 Před 3 lety +1

      Fun fact indeed! Alas, if only it had been tea. The jokes write themselves.

    • @PhilJonesIII
      @PhilJonesIII Před 3 lety +7

      That was a very risky thing to do; Savoy gets seriously cold in Winter. The hot soup provision might have encouraged them to come back.

  •  Před 3 lety +2

    top of the castle wall is a formidable place to keep bees, due to all kinds of non siege related reasons. when you find yourself under attack, those hives are probably in your way defending the castle and all... that might made beehives a more common projectile in medieval siege warfare.

  • @jimaanders7527
    @jimaanders7527 Před 3 lety +3

    Thank you for the highly detailed bit about ladders. I used to think they were suicidal (in the movies). Now I see they were quite practical. Good show.

  • @bumpercoach
    @bumpercoach Před 3 lety +221

    simple --
    "are you scared of heights?"
    assigned to sapping
    "are you scared of enclosure?"
    assigned to escalade
    "scared of falling and cave-in?"
    assigned to frontal assault

    • @glenpope4955
      @glenpope4955 Před 3 lety +28

      Afraid of dying? archer and artillery

    • @kellynolen498
      @kellynolen498 Před 2 lety +1

      @@glenpope4955 lol no all men are afraid of dying only cowards can't beat that fear

    • @glenpope4955
      @glenpope4955 Před 2 lety +2

      @@kellynolen498 yeah well considering the time we are talking about archers were considered cowards. Imagine the same for the artillery

    • @kellynolen498
      @kellynolen498 Před 2 lety

      @@glenpope4955 I wonder about the historical training of archers and artillery
      realistically they wouldn't be weak strong arms to to pull back the bow strings or strong in general to transport the artillery either in pieces or towed plus someone smart enough to put it back together if they move it in pieces

    • @SnowMexicann
      @SnowMexicann Před 2 lety +1

      @@glenpope4955 Im sure the soldiers love archers and artillery lmao what are you on abt. They provide so much firepower and support for the sieging troops and the artillery also get used to breach the castle walls.

  • @Rankerquat
    @Rankerquat Před 3 lety +155

    Me, a forward thinking rival duke: "boye I sure love measuring the walls arounde this castle using bothe the shadowe and stringe methods"
    Some Guard: "Heye what are you doinge here with that stringe? Awaye Withe Thee!"
    Me: "Hahe! I am butte one man! Art thou reallye going to waste thine limited resourcese to rebuke me?"
    The same guard, nervously considering his three arrows, two rocks, and the bag of lime he had to bring from home: _"Ie Saide Awaye Withe thee-e!"_

    • @77thTrombone
      @77thTrombone Před 3 lety +30

      The guard grymly noted his buddye had forsooth neglected to bring the tower beehyve....

  • @danielclermont4631
    @danielclermont4631 Před 2 lety +1

    He is so articulate, and so knowledgeable.I was enthralled,thankyou.

  • @mjbarczyk
    @mjbarczyk Před 2 lety

    Good ol' Lindybeige video. Long time ago we had a A point about-thingy. Love them the most!

  • @D_A42
    @D_A42 Před 3 lety +127

    Lyod: "[Escalade] is a completely unnecessary word"
    Cadillac Escalade: "Am i a joke to you?"

    • @carlosandleon
      @carlosandleon Před 3 lety +16

      that proves his point

    • @felixtheswiss
      @felixtheswiss Před 3 lety +7

      Try getting that thing across a wall! ☺

    • @kint87
      @kint87 Před 3 lety +7

      It's actually just the french word for "climbing", but dont tell Loyd he will be mad

    • @MrMaxBoivin
      @MrMaxBoivin Před 3 lety +2

      Lloyd takes two "L", as you can see by the badge behind him.

    • @davekennedy6315
      @davekennedy6315 Před 3 lety +4

      The Escalade is a truly awful car and a joke to anyone bar a few tacky rappers.

  • @patricianpenguin
    @patricianpenguin Před 3 lety +43

    44:46 'This carries me to the main point I'm going to make'
    That was said after nearly three quarters of an hour of talking about ladders. Lindy really is amazing.

  • @b0rd3n
    @b0rd3n Před 2 lety

    You are VERY interresting and so are the stories of thruth you tell. THANK YOU

  • @stevenpolkinghorn4747
    @stevenpolkinghorn4747 Před 2 lety

    Lindy.. I don't think you realize how many times I watch your videos, even if I've seen them before, just because I like your way of explaining things and history. Especially the video about fire arrows. I put it on almost as a background, just to keep me sane at my job.

  • @lupesimon123
    @lupesimon123 Před 3 lety +95

    You know it's gonna be good when the title is just "ladders" and it's 52 minutes long

  • @frankdutton2095
    @frankdutton2095 Před 3 lety +26

    “You might get a splinter...”, brilliant health and safety assessment during an attack.

    • @zacharyelliott7161
      @zacharyelliott7161 Před 3 lety

      Yes!

    • @Arcanefungus
      @Arcanefungus Před 3 lety

      People died from that back in the day you know. Although, granted, despite potential nonnewtonian physics, a ten meter fall was probably more unhealthy even back then

  • @PinguinCrazy
    @PinguinCrazy Před 2 lety +1

    Amazing, I asked a similar question on reddit's history thread about how engineers would measure walls for building siege equipment and the only answer I got was "by its shadow" which could be correct but sounds much harder than the methods you mentioned. Nice work Lindy!

  • @bilindalaw-morley161
    @bilindalaw-morley161 Před 2 lety +2

    I envy this guy so much for his passion, he just lights up my screen, totally absorbs me for fifty or so minutes (but who's counting) and leaves me gobsmacked, blinking and almost breathless. Thank you Mr Beige. It's a year later, you've given me a lot of brain fodder during this time of plague, I really am grateful for the opportunity to find you.

    • @Cheesus-Sliced
      @Cheesus-Sliced Před rokem +1

      he's like the medieval history version of technology connections lol. Both channels are brilliant.

  • @omariscovoador7486
    @omariscovoador7486 Před 3 lety +175

    Machicolations: *get mentioned*
    Shadiversity: *happy noises*

    • @Iliya117
      @Iliya117 Před 3 lety +17

      MAACHICOLATIONS !!1

    • @whysrumgone
      @whysrumgone Před 3 lety +18

      For two minutes before he realizes he's getting called just a little bit French, which as we all know is the height of insult.

    • @armandomassimini3023
      @armandomassimini3023 Před 3 lety +9

      Someone needs to send this to Shad

    • @Quartan284
      @Quartan284 Před 3 lety +7

      Currently at 14:30 and immedeatly...
      - thought of machicolations
      - went looking for this comment

    • @damianmares5338
      @damianmares5338 Před 3 lety +2

      @@whysrumgone well, from my part, being a bit french is waaaay better than being even slightly british , so yeah, call me french all ya want
      *laughs in metre*

  • @plasmathunderdx
    @plasmathunderdx Před 3 lety +90

    He kept talking in one long incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic so no one could interrupt it was quite hypnotic.

    • @blacksquirrel4008
      @blacksquirrel4008 Před 3 lety +5

      Marcel Proust has entered the chat

    • @pineutrino
      @pineutrino Před 2 lety +9

      @@blacksquirrel4008 Jean-Luc Picard has entered the chat

    • @SplendidFellow
      @SplendidFellow Před 2 lety +3

      Come cheer up my lads
      Come cheer up my lads
      'Tis better to have loved and lost
      Than never to have loved at all

    • @snickle1980
      @snickle1980 Před 2 lety +4

      😂Halfway through reading the sentence in my head, the beat kicked in.

  • @thomashill5768
    @thomashill5768 Před 3 lety +8

    I always thought collapsable battlements would have worked well for the defenders. Heavy wooden ones on a hinge that can be dropped instantly when the defenders start to get overwhelmed. Anyone on a ladder trying to get over the wall would be confronted with a 30ft drop the other side. The battlements could swing back up into place once the threat gave up or moved elsewhere...

    • @arnoldfossman1701
      @arnoldfossman1701 Před 2 lety +1

      Hmmmm...
      I came here looking for someone commenting on those swinging "sideways rams" and I find your comment. While it's not the same as your idea I had a thought about those ram things and decided to share it here. Why not have ropes and weights on the battlements that could quickly attache the free end of the rope to a merlon then after stretching the rope out in one direction push the weight over the merlon at that end. That would allow the weight to swing and hopefully clear any ladders present from most or all the wall in the area between where you release the weight and most of the distance on the other side of the attachment location. The rope shouldn't be much more than half of wall height and the weight should be close to what one man can handle up a small ramp.

    • @thesaurus9226
      @thesaurus9226 Před 8 měsíci

      @@arnoldfossman1701 You could have the counterweights in the towers nearby and as an added bonus, drop them on attackers as they try to climb. Then simply cut the rope holding the weight and away the log swings. You'd probably want to have several sets of ropes, one connecting everything between the towers and more for the counterweights on each side. You'd also want spare ropes and counterweights available. I'm thinking two equal permanent counterweights on each tower to hold the log in position with larger attachable counterweights to pull it left and right.

  • @philiplaurell1163
    @philiplaurell1163 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you so much (from Sweden) for stepping outside your comfort zone of feet, thumbs, barrels, kegs, palm, stadium, slug, bucket, Farehheit, acres, miles, and other obsolete measures the rest of the world is blissfully ignorant about. Sarcasm aside, I truly appreciate it, although I resent the French connotation, lol.

  • @fieldmarshalgaig9477
    @fieldmarshalgaig9477 Před 3 lety +44

    "The ancient world was a long time before newton, maybe physics worked differently back then"
    Yeh why not

  • @haydenbsiegel
    @haydenbsiegel Před 3 lety +352

    The beehive defense sounds like a tactic from Home Alone.

    • @tlw4237
      @tlw4237 Před 3 lety +10

      A beseiged force would sometimes collect together wasps nests and drop them on the brave fools on ladders. Medieval cluster munitions, each containing 5,000 independent homing warheads. Not many people would carry on climbing a ladder while being furiously stung.
      On occassion besiegers would use artillery to throw wasp/bees nests at the defenders to try and clear the ramparts. Presumably at points the attackers weren’t intending to assault themselves.

    • @dersuddeutschesumpf5444
      @dersuddeutschesumpf5444 Před 2 lety +7

      Look up the battle of the bees.
      You're welcome

    • @itchykami
      @itchykami Před 2 lety +3

      "You Gauls give up, or are you thirsty for more?"
      I don't see an army carrying a beehive into battle, either as defender or attacker, in a way where they don't get stung more than the people they use it on. But maybe there's some ancient bee-pacifying techniques that I am unaware of.

    • @haydenbsiegel
      @haydenbsiegel Před 2 lety +5

      @@itchykami Smoke puts them to sleep. When I was a kid I lived near a bee farm and that is what they did to get at their honey.

    • @lowkey6134
      @lowkey6134 Před 2 lety +4

      WELCOME MOON AND STAR

  • @morgang5666
    @morgang5666 Před 2 lety +1

    Lindybeige would definitely be on my list of Military advisors/Siege engineers for when I become an apocalypse warlord.

  • @julianlaresch6266
    @julianlaresch6266 Před 2 lety

    I love just how much this content is perfectly catered to my interests I'm about to binge a ton of old videos

  • @mathiasortegav867
    @mathiasortegav867 Před 3 lety +113

    "ladders"
    20 min later: "Beehives!"

    • @Gapeagle
      @Gapeagle Před 3 lety +4

      Video: ladders
      Lindy: defenders yeet stuff at attacker

    • @thalivenom4972
      @thalivenom4972 Před 3 lety +2

      it strikes me that boiling wax would be kinda worse then bees.

    • @Arcanefungus
      @Arcanefungus Před 3 lety

      @@thalivenom4972 it wouldnt. Wax has pretty little heat capacity and would cool off fairly quickly. The attacker with a shield climbing the ladder now is an attacker with a wax covered shield. Well done. Bees on the other hand are really nasty when you can get them to attack the people you want to be miserable.

  • @zep4814
    @zep4814 Před 3 lety +303

    "but the medieval world was far before Newton, so maybe physics did not work that way"

    • @accidos
      @accidos Před 3 lety +14

      The physics from @lindybeige doesn't seem to be the same as newtons physics. You can't make a falling ladder swing back to the wall by pulling it toward you, neither by pushing it away from you. The center of mass will stay the same and you cant give the entire system an impulse while you are part of the system, thus it will continue falling. The only way could be to change the center of mass towards the wall. This could be by switching sides on the ladder, quickly. Or to give it a thrust momentum by propelling yourself away from the ladder and sacrifice your life for the ladder. Or to use a grappling hook.

    • @tukan1652
      @tukan1652 Před 3 lety +7

      for anyone who is looking for this moment - 34:50

    • @fwqkaw
      @fwqkaw Před 3 lety +3

      @@accidos Wouldn't switching sides be similar to pulling the escaladder towards you? Just typing aloud.

    • @magicspook
      @magicspook Před 3 lety +2

      @@tyler1107 Still not possible. If you push yourself forward, you'll pull the ladder back at the same time because of the conservation of angular momentum.
      One possibility would be to climb further up the ladder while it was still further forward than at a 90 degree angle with the ground. You are effectively transferring the force through the ladder into the ground (out of the system), so you could change the angular momentum of the system that way. That is, if there is any more ladder to go up on (this doesn't work if you're the guy at the very top of course).

    • @nemo99nemo83
      @nemo99nemo83 Před 3 lety

      @@accidos No wonder they aren't the same physics....if you use feet your result will differ from all standard physics ;)

  • @markusmencke8059
    @markusmencke8059 Před 2 lety +5

    Those modular ladders of Apollodorus reminded me of the extendable ladders today. Totally different linkage system, operated by rope sometimes, but... he seems to have been onto something.
    Another thing, the ladder at 46:38 has spikes at the bottom. If you put those in really deep (or in pre-dug holes), and use wedges, that should help with stability a lot.

  • @Luddite1
    @Luddite1 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Absolutely love the way you put things and in a vaguely related comment I think your idea for film makers regarding battle scenes is why I like Brad Pitt’s Achilles in Troy , he doesn’t have spears and such bouncing off him oh no he dodges out of the way and when it comes to fights it’s not long drawn out duels it’s a quick precise strike

  • @panqueque445
    @panqueque445 Před 3 lety +30

    Can we appreciate how his style of videos hasn't changed in the slightest? I swear every time I re watch a video if it wasn't for the image quality changing and the date I wouldn't know when the video was uploaded.

  • @Jessie_Helms
    @Jessie_Helms Před 3 lety +281

    *explains how archers would have trouble shooting people down at the bottom of the tower*
    Wait do I hear Shad screaming? Do you hear Shad screaming?
    *MACHICOLATIONSSSSSS*
    [edit: I wrote this like 5 minutes after the video was up, Shad hadn’t commented yet.]

    • @bastisonnenkind
      @bastisonnenkind Před 3 lety +15

      I was thinking that in my head - and I see I am not alone ^^

    • @samiraperi467
      @samiraperi467 Před 3 lety +11

      Macchiatolattechocolations.

    • @Habdabi
      @Habdabi Před 3 lety +6

      MACHICOLATIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONS!!!!!!!

    • @conorjames3533
      @conorjames3533 Před 3 lety +2

      I was about to comment this. Glad there are more of us here

    • @flamixflame2685
      @flamixflame2685 Před 3 lety

      Just look at the top comment on the vid, it's shad

  • @theswedishdude1
    @theswedishdude1 Před 3 lety +3

    "i'm just warning you, it does make you sound a little bit french" probably the best way to make someone change the way they speak.

  • @makaveli2tt
    @makaveli2tt Před 3 lety

    17:00 I love this channel for the funny, yet graphic language used to tell the stories. Thanks for sharing

  • @mikeekim6314
    @mikeekim6314 Před 3 lety +24

    There was never a moment in my life where I thought I would watch a 52 minute video on siege ladders. And yet here I am.

  • @feedfancier
    @feedfancier Před 3 lety +143

    "Caesar defeated the Britons because he attacked at teatime on the weekend. " Is that an Asterix reference?

  • @mikeissweet
    @mikeissweet Před 2 lety

    From everything I've heard so far and that tangent about the CH pronunciation- I've subbed

  • @bill_and_amanda
    @bill_and_amanda Před 2 lety +2

    I was a professional window washer and we used piece ladders much like described by the ancient author. Each piece was about 7ft, wider at the bottom, and fit into the piece below. You could stack about 5 pieces safely.

  • @scribeslendy595
    @scribeslendy595 Před 3 lety +46

    >"a point about siege ladders"
    >52 minutes
    I'd be terrified to see the length of a "a few thoughts on siege latters"

  • @willselley6693
    @willselley6693 Před 3 lety +204

    I'm self-isolating at university at the moment, everyone in my flat is miserable but I'm having a jolly old time watching a video about SIEGE LADDERS

    • @HeyImLucious
      @HeyImLucious Před 3 lety +1

      You say that as if siege warfare *isn't* interesting as fawk....

    • @humboldthammer
      @humboldthammer Před 3 lety

      Gonna take 50 weeks and spend it all in isolation. Until they end this virus with a United nations. Well I called my Congressman, and he said, QUOTE: We tried to save y'all, but you're all gonna croak. Sometimes I wonder, "What am I gonna do?" 'Cause there ain't no cure for the Trump End Times Flu.
      Escalade . . . from the French for "Over the Top" Cadillac's Flagship SUV

    • @Romartus
      @Romartus Před 3 lety +1

      You've come to a channel where the presenter always appears to have slept rough before letting the camera rolls.

    • @joeyuzwa891
      @joeyuzwa891 Před 3 lety

      nice Transilvanian Hunger pofile picture

    • @willselley6693
      @willselley6693 Před 3 lety

      @@joeyuzwa891 COLD
      SO COLD

  • @rubyjohn
    @rubyjohn Před 3 lety +1

    52 mins of Lindybeigeness. Beautiful.

  • @OCMOOO
    @OCMOOO Před 2 lety +1

    Now I want a 2 hour lecture on the armor of climbing troops
    :protection vs physical ability

  • @ristoravela652
    @ristoravela652 Před 3 lety +254

    Considering that most sieges ended due to one side giving up, and months of siege was commonly seen as a preferable option to attacking, I would argue that escalades like all other forms of attack were seen as a bad option.
    Ladders were probably just among the least terrible options.

    • @kennyjacobs867
      @kennyjacobs867 Před 3 lety +14

      Yeh, Also most movie he complaining about it only the first few ladders that get this treatment, then they overwhelm and the fight moves to the top.

    • @commmarine9547
      @commmarine9547 Před 3 lety +10

      Agree. Hundreds of ladders going up on a wall overwhelms the defender. So, like any assault, a certain amount of losses is expected. A siege generally required a 2:1 ratio because you expect to suffer more casualties. Ladders in combination with rams, siege towers and artillery of some sort (all depending on era) overwhelms the defender.

    • @michaelstramm2366
      @michaelstramm2366 Před 2 lety +5

      Well, i daresay these Ladds where still tremendously though , just thinking everybody from on top of the Battlements throwing and shooting at them. I,for my part would post guards with short spears in top of the Battlement, so its okay come on here Ladds ,stab stab ,you got the picture? But anyway it seems to my opinion , this Ladderattack was a pretty costly option and therefore used only as a kind of last resorts.

    • @bewing77
      @bewing77 Před 2 lety +12

      @@commmarine9547 yes, a siege required about a 2:1 ratio, storming would require much, much more and there are examples from history where a handful of defenders have been able to defend agains armies. It should be noted that in modern combat, to assault a prepared defense it usually takes a unit class above the defenders; that is, a platoon in a prepared defensive position will take at least a company to dislodge, a company defending will require a battalion. And this is without permanent installations, just field engineering.

    • @commmarine9547
      @commmarine9547 Před 2 lety +5

      @@bewing77 thanks. Military guy here so understand the doctrine of besieging. Will say that the example of few holding off many was only achieved through tactical advantage via equipment, training, or location. Example, without going into detail, battle of Thermopylae. Spartan training (actual professional military force, not slaves or citizen army) bronze armor (not wicker which was main "armor" of Persians and the hot gates themselves, the narrow pass, as the location that provided the advantage.

  • @georgehugh3455
    @georgehugh3455 Před 3 lety +534

    _"A point about siege ladders"_ - *Another in the increasingly misleading titles of Lindybeige productions*

    • @bryankirk3567
      @bryankirk3567 Před 3 lety +9

      He does that, doesn't he?

    • @ItsJustVirgil
      @ItsJustVirgil Před 3 lety +23

      Yeah was about to comment something along the lines of “more like a lecture on siege ladders”, it’s getting out of hand how these titles are compared to actual video runtime.

    • @michimatsch5862
      @michimatsch5862 Před 3 lety +14

      A 5 minute guide to warships.

    • @zachary4670
      @zachary4670 Před 3 lety +6

      Is this a Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy Trilogy?

    • @jonathanowen9917
      @jonathanowen9917 Před 3 lety +1

      Hehe... Lindy got you with his clickbait titles. 😂

  • @garbuz3324
    @garbuz3324 Před 2 lety

    Extremely enjoyable amount of detail, great talk

  • @xenosmoke8915
    @xenosmoke8915 Před 3 lety +3

    Lol, the Spartan wall trick he described sounds like how I play Command and Conquer.

  • @DCM_128
    @DCM_128 Před 3 lety +35

    It amazes me, the talent of this man to make literally any subject, no matter what it is or how boring it is, sound interesting.

    • @sethbennett617
      @sethbennett617 Před 3 lety +1

      True... but not if its french

    • @MacBorin
      @MacBorin Před 3 lety +4

      That’s what I thougt when his last video had me on the edge of my seat and it was only about some cows having a friendly shoving contest in a field.

    • @matehavlik4559
      @matehavlik4559 Před 3 lety +3

      It amazed me years ago, when I started watching his videos. Now it’s expected :)

  • @tyoma_14
    @tyoma_14 Před 3 lety +114

    FRIENDS: Bro, let's do something!
    GF: Babe, come over!
    FAMILY: Hey, come join us!
    ME: Ah yes, ladders.

  • @JahkiBoy
    @JahkiBoy Před 2 lety +1

    25 minutes in and I really feel the enthusiasm of Eddie Izzard on blast. Love it

  • @Folsomdsf2
    @Folsomdsf2 Před 2 lety +2

    Oh! The inflatable seige ladder was a thing. I remember seeing it in my travels one time. The idea was that they were capped hollow tubes actually that were air tight with some sort of cap inside the tube that fits in the other. It was more an 'extendable' ladder using air pressure than 'inflatable'. Apparently the idea was you'd have someone already on the ladder to defend it when it was extended by the crew. I... do not think that worked or was ever used either. There was supposed to be some sort of pinning system to keep it extended, which I dunno how that would work.