A flooded cat D397 cold start

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  • čas přidán 27. 08. 2024

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  • @timkis64
    @timkis64 Před 2 lety +4

    damn, im surprised the EPA didnt mysteriously show up before that thing fired enough to run on its own.thats ridiculus & im not even a treehugging environmentalist

  • @frontagulus
    @frontagulus Před 3 lety +42

    Run for longer under compression / no fuel to heat it up more before turning on fuel. Adding fuel prematurely cools the compression charge

    • @Yellow_iron_and_spanners
      @Yellow_iron_and_spanners  Před 3 lety +4

      Good idea but we trend the engine over a little before the people came

    • @billmoran3812
      @billmoran3812 Před 2 lety +8

      Starting with fuel on before there’s enough heat in the cylinders is hard on the engine. Fuel dilutes the lube oil, cools the compression and causes detonation as the fuel starts to combust too late in the timing. Far better to crank with no fuel and try to introduce fuel periodically to see if it’s ready to run.

    • @jesterof84
      @jesterof84 Před 2 lety +4

      I start the same way every morning

    • @johncunningham4820
      @johncunningham4820 Před 2 lety

      @@jesterof84 . What ? You personally ? If so , I know the Feeling .

    • @brad8179
      @brad8179 Před 2 lety

      @@jesterof84 seems like I feel this way on work days in the morning

  • @iancraig1951
    @iancraig1951 Před 2 lety +8

    Greeting from OZ--I have so much respect for caterpillar iron--its an icon of America and indeed the world..Its tremendous to see good engines salvaged.. E

  • @seekingtko3146
    @seekingtko3146 Před 2 lety +20

    DONT FORGET the cylinders need heat in order to idol , you want them toasty but not roasty

  • @RomeKG471
    @RomeKG471 Před 2 lety +24

    SHUT THE DAMN FUEL OFF and turn it over on compression longer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then open the throttle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @vincentrobinette1507
    @vincentrobinette1507 Před 2 lety +3

    You're going to want to change the oil after all that fuel dilution! Opening up the valve clearances will help increase compression pressures during start. that would help, as well. It will reduce valve overlap.

    • @johncunningham4820
      @johncunningham4820 Před 2 lety

      Once it warms up in operation , the Excess fuel will evaporate off .
      Valve OVERLAP doesn't affect Compression . It DOES affect transitional breathing .

  • @heybird5660
    @heybird5660 Před 2 lety +5

    Here,s an idea. Put some glowplug harnesses on it & connect them to a switch & battery. Old precom cat engines need them working to start. Or another alternative is to roll up some news paper & light it & hold it in the air intake & let it suck in some fire. Ive done it plenty of times & the ash it sucks in wont hurt anyrhing.

  • @AugustusTitus
    @AugustusTitus Před 2 lety +1

    low compression takes longer to build heat in the cylinders. You're getting to autoignition temperatures but the cold in the cylinders takes a long time to offset.

  • @jorgefonseca9225
    @jorgefonseca9225 Před 2 lety +6

    This caind of the engine is a same like on CAT D9L I operate this bulldozer the engine had more 76.000hors work and still runs without problems it's a really fucking good this engine 👌 👏

  • @billmoran3812
    @billmoran3812 Před 2 lety +3

    Diesel engines do not get “flooded” like gasoline engines can. The white smoke while cranking is unburned fuel resulting from lack of compression heat in the cylinders. One mistake people commonly make when cold starting a diesel is introducing fuel too soon. The incoming fuel has a cooling effect that makes it more difficult to start. It is better to crank a cold engine without introducing fuel until it has had time to develop some heat in the cylinders from compression. Then, fuel can be admitted and the engine should start right up.
    This is the reason that “pony motor start” was invented. It allows the engine to crank for several minutes without fuel so it can warm up sufficiently so when fuel is added it can start.
    Cranking a diesel for extended periods with fuel and failure to start can damage the engine by washing lubricating oil off cylinder walls. It is also hard on pistons, rids and bearings, because the governor is feeding full fuel continuously when one or more cylinders fire causing excessive pressures and diesel knock.

  • @quagmiredavis4117
    @quagmiredavis4117 Před 2 lety +13

    Needs rain cap 😒 keep water out of exhaust

  • @accelwell7018
    @accelwell7018 Před 2 lety +5

    How Dare you. Lol 👍

  • @reddirtfarm7704
    @reddirtfarm7704 Před 2 lety +5

    Like starting my pulling tractor.

  • @JohnSmith-lw2bm
    @JohnSmith-lw2bm Před 2 lety +1

    I see the hole where the starter used to be.

  • @604cuinkillah
    @604cuinkillah Před 2 lety

    Am I the only one cheering at 1:58?💪💪😎

  • @workplacesociologyandanaly223

    All they are doing is washing the oil from the bores and accelerating wear

    • @dondubray4253
      @dondubray4253 Před 2 lety +2

      those have drilled connecting rods,, theres all kinds of oil on the rings

    • @workplacesociologyandanaly223
      @workplacesociologyandanaly223 Před 2 lety +2

      @@dondubray4253 yes drilled conrods to cool the underside of the piston, lubricate the little end, and cylinder walls under the oil control rings. Oil also is trapped in the cross hatch pattern on the bore above the oil control rings, and this is the oil I'm referring to. Having the amount of raw fuel in the combustion chamber that these people did washes this entrained lubricant off the bore and much of this fuel also ends up in the sump potentially diluting the lubricating oil.
      As others have said, shut off the fuel, and spin it over to create some heat in the combustion chambers from compression, and then introduce the fuel.
      The knocking you can here when that engine is first firing, is combustion happening earlier on the compression stroke due to excess fuel in the combustion chambers and at a minimum this can crack piston rings and blow head gaskets

  • @oldguy3251
    @oldguy3251 Před 2 lety +5

    I believe that is a D398. Its a V 12.

    • @Yellow_iron_and_spanners
      @Yellow_iron_and_spanners  Před 2 lety +2

      Not quite it a D397 but yes it is a v12

    • @genedahlstrom443
      @genedahlstrom443 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Yellow_iron_and_spanners Oh, so its a slightly smaller version of the D398.

    • @elexvavrick6011
      @elexvavrick6011 Před 2 lety +1

      D398 - 12 D399 - 16 worked on them for Cat total rebuilds. For runner to 3500s

    • @elexvavrick6011
      @elexvavrick6011 Před 2 lety

      D379 v8 yes D379

    • @eliminator1978
      @eliminator1978 Před 2 lety +1

      @@shadetreelife3670 I wouldn’t admit to rebuilding them for years and not know what one looks like.

  • @robertgall1275
    @robertgall1275 Před 3 lety +18

    I hope Gretta doesn't see this!!!!

  • @sighpocket5
    @sighpocket5 Před 2 lety

    Nice!!!!!

  • @kurtvonfricken6829
    @kurtvonfricken6829 Před 2 lety

    1:35-2:00 if it were a human that is called an arrhythmia.

  • @leenderonde8723
    @leenderonde8723 Před 3 lety +4

    What was the engine driving before?

  • @larryl2459
    @larryl2459 Před 2 lety +4

    Y'all killing that cat

  • @Yellow_iron_and_spanners

    Check out some of my other videos of cat D2 and more

  • @carlmason4153
    @carlmason4153 Před 2 lety

    Where is this poor old girl trying to be fired up, India or somewhere. some Mickey mouse donkey start on her instead of electric start ????????
    Get Glow pugs on the Pre-com sorted & she would fire no probs at all, worked on heaps of these all over the world

    • @Yellow_iron_and_spanners
      @Yellow_iron_and_spanners  Před 2 lety

      We are in New Zealand and look at my latest video to see it probably

    • @Yellow_iron_and_spanners
      @Yellow_iron_and_spanners  Před 2 lety

      Have a look at my newer videos and some where you can see another video of this engine where we start it properly

  • @clay1883
    @clay1883 Před 2 lety +1

    Just imagine all that raw fuel scraping down the cylinders and going in the oil pan . There's got to be a better way.....No glow plugs??? Valve clearance too wide?? Doesn't look that cold. Kid standing around in shorts. You single handedly put the earth in global warming.

    • @Yellow_iron_and_spanners
      @Yellow_iron_and_spanners  Před 2 lety

      Well to start whit my before the club got there we spun the engine up but did not start it and that’s what flooded it and we start it like a D2 whit letting the engine turn over whit comperson to build up heat and then open the fuel.

  • @markclark8542
    @markclark8542 Před 2 lety

    Never heard of flooded deisel 🤷

  • @truckerkevthepaidtourist
    @truckerkevthepaidtourist Před 2 lety +2

    What is that a pony motor they use to get that thing goin?

    • @ironworkerfxr7105
      @ironworkerfxr7105 Před 2 lety +6

      Cat D2 tractor with a PTO pully

    • @truckerkevthepaidtourist
      @truckerkevthepaidtourist Před 2 lety

      @@ironworkerfxr7105 is that kind of similar though to like a pony motor in a way? Smaller engine used to start the big one?

    • @stevelentz9458
      @stevelentz9458 Před 2 lety

      @@ironworkerfxr7105 I wonder where's the video that shows starting the D2? Those are usually just as dramatic.

    • @timgreen4137
      @timgreen4137 Před 2 lety

      @@truckerkevthepaidtourist yes. A smaller engine used to start the large engine. Pony Motor.

    • @Vance_Nickerson
      @Vance_Nickerson Před 2 lety

      There's a D2 Caterpillar with a rear pully attachment that is starting the engine. Check out squatch253 for a detailed sequence on starting a D2 dozer. I do the same on my D4 Caterpillar.

  • @erikg.2666
    @erikg.2666 Před 2 lety

    I'll bet that this unit has poor injector spray patterns!

  • @elborrachogrande
    @elborrachogrande Před 2 lety

    How much does that beast weigh?

  • @dondubray4253
    @dondubray4253 Před 2 lety +2

    thats a stupid statement. its not flooded

    • @btwbrand
      @btwbrand Před 2 lety +2

      It is over fueled, but if this were almost any other internal combustion engine we would say it is flooded.
      The combustion chamber is cold or the compression is too low, either way not enough heat is being generated in the compression stroke to properly fire the cylinders.
      As others have stated it would have been best to continue turning the engine over without fuel to generate heat as the fuel is only quenching the heat needed to initiate combustion. More modern units use a glow plug or higher compression and a high torque starter to generate the needed heat.
      This D397 uses no glow-plugs but does use a pre-combustion chamber which can make starting it harder than in a direct injection engine. If this chamber is cracked you can have your compression gasses going into the cooling system causing poor starting as shown here. From what I saw in the video the cooling system on this unit is not operational but instead in a temporary fill and drain setup, and a very leaky one at that, further supporting my theory of cracked pre-chambers. Some commenter mentioned a rain hat for the exhaust to keep rain out of the engine. This water in the exhaust could also be from cracked pre-chambers leaking water into the exhaust runner.
      Nice engine but it's mostly a show piece sitting under that shed.
      Pre- combustion chambers are readily available for the unit if they were needed.

    • @dondubray4253
      @dondubray4253 Před 2 lety +1

      @@btwbrand ive been a diesel mechanic for almost 60 yrs dont try to explain to me how a diesel works

    • @jameskratzer2014
      @jameskratzer2014 Před 2 lety

      @@btwbrand I paused then scrolled the video to zoom in on the heads….this engine does have glow plugs, you can see the terminals where the wires are supposed to be connected. It’s just not wired up.

  • @ralphstacey2020
    @ralphstacey2020 Před 2 lety

    aoc made

  • @emanueleminetti2456
    @emanueleminetti2456 Před 2 lety

    Parte subito.....

  • @wilmamcdermott3065
    @wilmamcdermott3065 Před 2 lety

    Probably ruined lines wrecked protrusion

  • @joilsonbsb7540
    @joilsonbsb7540 Před 3 lety

    Nossa isso aí está poluindo de mais nossa planeta..👎

    • @PapaJ5667
      @PapaJ5667 Před 2 lety +10

      Wow another tree hugger crying over something they have no control over

    • @reddirtfarm7704
      @reddirtfarm7704 Před 2 lety +4

      I am putting more wood in my stove.