Why the league is SHOCKED by this trade
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- We saw a fairly insane air of trades in the NHL yesterday, we'll take a look at both the Tanner Jeannot trade to Tampa and the Timo Meier trade to the New Jersey Devils. All that and more for today's NHL hockey video!
0:00 - Intro
0:15 - Tanner Jeannot trade
2:00 - Timo Meier trade
Music: Home - Resonance - Zábava
0:15 - Tanner Jeannot trade
2:00 - Timo Meier trade
Woud love a video on the leafs trades
How did Jeannot get a bigger return then say Horvat from the Canucks to the Islanders?
We’re coming for your Rags Eck, no one is safe 😈
Oh, and Scott Harrington was placed on waivers.
Prospects the Sharks Included - ECHL --> AHL'ers Max. Maybe Hataka is something
Harrington is an AHL'er at this point
I'm a fan of Jeannot. Dude went on a MASSIVE tear and went from the ECHL to AHL to NHL in a single season. Undrafted, and was 23 at the time. Now look at 'em
Zetterlund has played quite a bit this year on the Devils. He has fire for sure, and wants to win. So I'm hoping he'll have a breakout down the line. Go Devs!
Tampa vs Leafs in the first round is going to be insane this year.
And we all know the leafs will lose
@@mikewager3897 there winning the cup this year
This is the year we go all the way
This year, next year, the year after, and the year after that! Love this new playoff format
@@connor572 thats what's leafs fans say every year and what happens
What’s so confusing about the Tampa trade is that it feels like they were bidding against themselves. How and why did they even have to offer that much?
Because Nashville didn’t have to trade him, so JBB had to “overpay”
@@leodickens3202 don't airquote it, 5 picks is absolutely an overplay.
How?lol
@@leodickens3202 he’s on an expiring contract and a down year and Nashville is clearly retooling. They didn’t have to move him the same way SJ didn’t have to move Meier. And on top of that, that still doesn’t mean JBB needed to chase him that hard. Just move on to another player with similar grit. Your logic only seems to work if he’s the last player on the market and Poile played hard to get
@@kendyer8761 They gave up two firsts and two seconds for Hagel. Jeannot is young, an RFA, and will be locked down for like 2m aav. Nashville didn't want to trade him, so the price was increased. Beyond the 2nd round picks are much more likely to be ECHL players than NHL players, so it's irrelevant.
From what I've heard, the price on Jeanot was due to a bidding war, but also this is a player that Tampa hopes to sign long term. This isn't a rental player like how the other teams have been getting for around the same return and when Tampa wins the cup no one is gonna care.
People were saying the same stuff about when they traded for Hagel and Paul at the deadline last year and look what happened, Paul has had the best season of his career and Hagel has been on an absolute heater.
That is true, this is a Killorn replacement. We always question the moves in the beginning. but look at Coleman, Goodrow, as well as paul and hagel. I'm going to have faith in the bolts pro scouts till i see otherwise.
JBB is a god and I've learned to trust him before anything else
@@frankcap2505 I don't think this is a Killorn replacement. Killorn was skating on the first line with Point & Kuch today. Namestnikov is the odd forward out at practice since picking up Jeannnot.
That is until you realise Tampa really paid 5 draft picks and Cal Foote for *Tanner Jeannot*. A guy who had 5 goals and 14 points in 56 games this season.
Hey Eck just wanted to say u have been a great addition to hockey CZcams. Also have noticed that the editing has been consistently getting better. Side note I’d love to see my leafs and your rangers in the east finals. High octane offence going against each other in a classic battle would be amazing. Anyways love the vids!
The lightning are smart. Yes they gave up a lot of jeannot, but they’re in win now mode and will be for a while. Remember during the bolts cup run their third line was ridiculous and contributed A LOT to their cup run. Good trade for Tampa gave up a lot probably could’ve gave up less but it’ll work out for them I believe.
it's a good move, Jeannot ppg dropped because preds are offensively worse as a whole this year than they were last. he will get a lot more points playing at tampa... and hes physical and will be a good contract. giving a late 1st round pick doesnt mean shit imo. id always rather get a proven player with a good rfa than hope for a prospect 4 years down the line. (bruins fan byw)
They need to resign him for the price. Which probably won’t be an issue, great weather, no state taxes, and a cup contender at least for a couple more years after this one.
with a road that likely has to go through both Toronto and Boston its a really smart pickup. No slouches in Tampa management.
I like the subtle background music, nice touch!
Most under rated hockey account. I discovered him about 4-5 months back and am very happy to see him grow. It’s good for the game of hockey as well to have guys like this give their feedback.
The Jeannot trade is indeed awful. It should always be concerning if your only standout trait is "physicality."
Brisebois had a decent quote on it that essentially boils down to how draft picks are often overrated and when your team is in "win today" mode, they're generally worthless. I agree with him in spirit on that, but that still doesn't excuse the massive overpayment, lol. There are cheaper ways to bring in someone of Jeannot's "caliber."
It's so strange hearing your typical background music from your other channel on a video like this, but I love it.
Summoning Salt really found the music that makes anything said over it even better. Loves the video Eck, keep them coming!
Probably will go unnoticed, but I appreciate your backing track choice for this vid.
Tampa fan here. I agree, giving up the picks seemed odd to me. But then I realized we locked in a lot of key players for long contracts in the last couple seasons. That and Julien BriseBois isn’t dumb.
Yeah I don’t think a lot of people have realized that besides stamkos and hedman a majority of our superstars are either freshly resigned or about to be (hagel)
Props on the music, super dope.
First time I never noticed the background music, good choice!
Love the content as always Eck but the background music was such a banger that it was distracting! Not sure how many of those drafts will end up being worth much but we’ll see!
I'm gonna miss watching Tanner sit in the box in yellow but I'm so thrilled at the moves Nashville is finally making to reset and rebuild.
I like the music in the background! It's a nice add, first time hearing it
As a Preds fan, this is probably my favourite video of yours yet LOL
with the jeannot trade i can't help but think of vancouver's return on horvat 😭 new jersey are straight up terrifying now with this lineup. hopefully san jose's return proves to be a bit better than it seems right now.
How did Jeannot get a bigger return then say Horvat from the Canucks to the Islanders?
Contract erm, team control, and scarcity in player type. Sure, fans want their teams to go for the homerun swing on a guy like Horvat, Tarasenko, or Meier, but those are all guys that could have walked away at the end of the year, whereas Jeannot has at least one more year of control, and most likely will be under contract for at least 3-5 years when he signs his RFA deal. But going to the last part, if you were a team that wasn't looking for a homerun, top of the lineup forward, and were specifically looking for that kind of physical third line winger, there weren't a lot of options out there. I know some people have said they felt like Tampa was bidding against themselves, but I highly doubt that. You only have to look at Toronto following it up with picking up Lafferty from Chicago and they were probably in on the Jeannot talks. And I'm sure other teams were too, which pushed the price up, especially considering the team control part and not being a mere rental.
@@GeoFitz4 he will 100% end up gettign a 2-3 mil contract for 4 years. its not a rental, i think hes a soiid depth player for the next few years, thats not something you're guaranteed with a late round pick
SJ got a good return from us but i’m surprised we didn’t give up one of our top prospects. Zetterlund has potential he can play a physical game and has a nice shot. he’s been up and down the lineup but played his best when he was on the top line with nico and tatar. Okhotiuk was solid in the few games he played for us. Shakir definitely has potential but we have a crowded D rn and especially in the system with guys like luke hughes and nemec. and johnsson is bad lol. all in all it hurts to see zetts go but what we gave up for what we got i’m thinking we won the trade
Timo Meier is a devil!!!! Huge for the team. Top 6 on the devils is SCARY now
Plus they had to give up none of their top prospects or young players and only gave up only one guaranteed first round pick.
Hey Eck,
What are ur thoughts on the VGK picking up Ivan Barbashev from the Blues? Do u think the Knights make the playoffs this year and do u think this trade helps in a significant way?
i mean ye they will make the playoffs. West < East. He's a good player but idk if he moves the needle enough to get em deep into playoffs
Happy about the trade for the picks given to the Preds. We definitely need a long term rebuild and those picks will help. Tampa, treat Tanner well.
You were right about the Kane panarin thing. SALUTE
Don’t forget that last year jeannot led the league in fights, led rookies in goals, and broke the preds season hit record. As a preds fan, I will really miss him
Been life long Tampa fan and I’m very confused by this trade but lightning clearly have an amazing player development program (look at Point and Cirelli for example) I think he’s a long term under payed player that they’ll develop to be a great forechecker
We believe in JBB
I'm a super casual hockey fan, how many rounds in the draft are there, and are 1st round picks as valuable in the nhl as they are in the nfl or nba?
This is a great pickup by Tampa. This kid will be a contributor for Tampa. He is in the same mold as Hornquest or Wilson. You need, absolutely need this type of player on your team. A disruptor. Gourde was just that on Tampas first cup run, Goodrow was for the second. They were missing this type of player on the third cup run and lost.
I'm still wondering how we did not get a marquee player back for Timo Meier. I kept hearing that he was the best player available before the trade deadline. Then I see we get a bunch of prospects, not great prospects mind you just "maybe" will become good players in the future prospects, in return for a proven goal scorer. I understand why the Sharks wanted to get rid of Timo, but dang. Seems like we got a whole lot of nothing except for that first rounder which will probably be pretty late in the draft unless New Jersey loses every single game from now on. Of course if that happens, then that 2024 draft pick becomes a second rounder. I hope I am wrong about this, and these prospects turn out to be amazing. Right now it looks like a crap deal for those in teal.
They got flat out robbed on the level of prospects
Sharks got more than they could wish for, the prospects they got are okay and exactly what they need on their terminally rebuilding franchise, plus Meier is not an s-tier forward idk why Sharks fans act like they lost McDavid
@@tumyp245 I mean he's gotta at least be A-tier right? B-tier level guys like O'Reilly, Tarsenko, etc are all easily going for a 1st + more. They got that + a very late end of the 2nd pick, & low-upside prospects. The Sharks will continue to rebuild bc they'd rather gamble on draft picks than force the Devils to give up their good prospects.
Can you do a review on the oilers trades today
As a Nashville fan I’m amazed at the trade
I was surprised to see NJ trade Johnsson. I liked him as a Leaf and was sad to see him go.
Jeannot and Point should be on a line, they played together in the WHL
Can't wait for the Kane trade! 😉
Devils fan here. Not too much to learn about the prospects that went to San Jose. The biggest loss is probably Zetterlund - he was a fan favorite. Shak has a high ceiling too as a massive D-man.
Home is a pretty good background artist
I still cant understand how the Preds got that much for Jeannot. Did they say "what ever 6.3M AAV would cost in an offer sheet + late round picks for the rental" and Tampa just agreed while every other first rounder got you at least one good player alone this season? Just look at Meier, ROR or Mccabe trades
How can you possibly value a 1st, 2nd and 3rd at a specific contract value (as stated in this vdeo), especially a late 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc.?? The draft can be so random and a gamble.
If you think about it - drafting late in each round, a team would be satisfied to get one or two Tanner Jeannot's out of that draft class. Sure you could do better in that draft class, but you could also do worse or equal to.
Andreas Johnsson was definitely a salary dump and Zetterland was a well-liked and solid 4th liner. He was a plus 4 I believe. The Devils also gave up a solid denfensive prospect in Shakir Mukhamadulliin who should become a good pro in the NHL so overall it was a pretty good trade for both sides.
Sharks traded their 26 year old leading scorer who is in his prime. As it stands now, this is not a good trade for San Jose. New Jersey got the better deal.
@@emerzongonzalez2585 Yes, as it stands now it doesn't even look close but SJ wasn't going to resign him so they get two first-rounders. And they now have financial flexibility to help with the rebuild. Zetterlund is a solid forward and Shakir was the 20th overall in 2020. He's 6'4" and highly touted. Okhotiuk was the Devils' 13th-best prospect in the farm so yes, on paper it doesn't look great but if you break it down like a GM, SJ didn't do too poorly getting assets unlike the Canucks with Bo Horvat.
Good song choice 😼
Off topic but putting it out there if anyone has done a post of the best NHL player's who were never on a Cup winner. 10 I can think of off the top of my head are Jean Ratelle, Marcel Dionne, Dale Hawerchuk, Rod Gilbert, Darryl Sittler, Borje Salming, The Dominator, Curtis Joseph, Brad Park and of course Taro Tsujimoto
Can you do a video on the Canucks overtime goal vs. Stars? I felt like it was offside but the refs thought otherwise. Can I get a non biased opinion on the call?
It used to be offside was if your skates crossed the line before the puck. So receiving a pass behind you, crossing the line backwards with possession, and then turning around (exactly what happened) was offside. But recently the rule was changed so that if you have the puck when your skates cross, it is not offside anymore. He first touched the puck before his skates were over the line. It didn’t stay glued to his stick on the way over the line but they ruled that he was in control similar to the kind of stick handling you might see in a shootout.
@@wesleyellis9451 ok that makes sense
Bein a preds fan, its a weird year. Cal foote is great
#askEck
How would you potentially handle trading EK65 to EDM? Possibly involve AZ to soak up retained salary? I can’t see it being worth it to the Sharks unless they only retain
I would not. I don't think Karlsson helps Edmonton, and certainly not for the anchor that is his contract.
Edmonton needs a stable defensive defenseman not an offensive one
@@vantaflame Ekholm maybe?
@@ShinyMew76 Eckholm would be a good pick up. The problem is they are in cap hell. 6.25 cap hit… can’t see it working
DownGoesBrown had a great comment about both the Jeannot trade to TBL and McDabe to TOR in that he felt like that teams were "finally recalibrating how they view middling-but-useful players with cheap contracts. Those guys should have more value than rentals, but it hasn't always seemed that way." With the Lightning constantly having to look for ways to save money and still get useful players, it makes a lot of sense to give up these kind of assets. Even with Jeannot having a down year (with much of Nashville's skaters having a down year), if he was a free agent this summer, he would get more on the market than what he will cost for the Lightning to re-sign him due to being an RFA. It's almost always cheaper to sign an RFA than it is to sign an equivalent UFA. Obviously superstars are an exception, but if you're getting a guy like Jeannot on the UFA market that isn't 35+, you're going to pay more than his next contract with Tampa.
Also as BriseBois pointed out, these picks they're giving up, the players they would draft wouldn't have an impact on the team in years, if they even would because the odds on draft picks being impact players is so low. He knows that one day things will fall apart. But when you have multiple future Hall of Famers on your roster still playing at a high level, as well as a strong secondary portion of the core that is still fairly young, you should be doing everything you can to win Cups. You don't get back the last great years of Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov, Point, and Vasilevskiy in 3-5 years when the players taken with those draft picks would be ready to play in the NHL. That's a problem for Future BriseBois to deal with in rebuilding the team when his superstars are past their best years of hockey.
Also people are really focused on the number of picks, but the reality is that the Lightning didn't have that much draft pick capital, and so they had to go for quantity over quality to get their guy. While the Lightning have had a lot of luck in the later rounds of the draft, the chances of those draft picks even turning into players is still quite low.
Great points, and the thing is.. with the exception of Stamkos and maybe Hedman, the rest of the core is still going to be good/in their prime in 3-5 years. And with the cap going up, there's always FAs. Now yes, teams like Jersey, Carolina, Buffalo and Ottawa are even younger and only going to get better each season.
@@jdm1029 Yes, and I think Kucherov, Hedman, and Vasilevskiy will age well, but typically 29-30 is when players have already started to decline from their peak performance. Kucherov is 29, Hedman is 32, Stamkos is 33, Vasilevskiy is 28. Outside of Point, you can say the other four are past their peaks and it's only downhill from here. They're still playing at a high level, and should for another few years, but that performance is going to continue to decline.
The secondary core is younger with Point at 26, Cirelli 25, Hagel 24, Sergachev 24, and Cernak 25. But outside of Point and Sergachev, that group lacks the same kind of superstar power. They're good quality players and the kind of players you need in your core to be a championship team, but even at their peak, they are not as good as the others at their peak.
@@GeoFitz4 Well considering at how Stamkos is doing at 33 (and yes I think most players on this team have the same work ethic as him), everyone should still be producing in 3-5 years. Maybe a bit downhill, but considering others are getting more experience (Hagel, Paul, Cirelli, Sergachev, Jeannot ,etc.) that should help. These guys went to 3 back to back finals.. getting a bit older or a bit "downhill" I don't think will effect them that much. And let's not forget with the cap going up, Free Agency is a bonus to a team like Tampa.
Jeannot is exactly what Tampa needs in play offs, they already have unreal skill all over the ice just need a guy who can get physical for his teammates
Feels like Nashville finally realizing that the window is shut. Poile at least trying to stock the cupboards for his successor on his way out.
That many picks for a 15 point/50ish games player is mental to me. Nothing against Jeannot, he's a great player, but that's just so much to give up
He’s got grit and size which will go far in the playoffs.
eck do a vid on the boston oilers game! pasta got smacked with intentional slash to the back!
I was shocked
Tampa can easily get those 3rd, 4th & 5th picks back, especially with all those good players they have. The 1st will almost definitely be a late rounder (but hey its still a first!) & same deal with the 2nd. IMO i dont think Cal foote would have panned out for tampa with all the players infront of him on the depth chart. However i do believe he will be good on the preds, & they are great at developing defence. Tampa will likely not have to rebuild for a solid 5-10 years, they dont need those picks right now. IMO its not much of an overpay as everyone is making it out to be, especially if they are able to resign him. And with tampas luck Jeannot will become a 30 goal scorer, they are good at making top 9 players excel ( Hagel, Nick Paul, Blake Coleman, perry ect..) Jeannot is coming off a 20 goal rookie season and took a step back this season on a not so good Nashville team.
Love Jeannot but as a preds fan I'm not complaining 🤷
Foote is a throw in. He’s a 7-8 defenseman at best. The other picks? Who knows.
the first two rounds of the atlantic are going to be spectacular.... I cant recall a stronger divisional trio.
They paid alot but I love his game there is very few players like him in the league!
Seems to me the Lightning should have tried to get later year picks for when their core starts to decline
Keep the background music in future videos pleaseeeeeeeeeee?
Hell yeah using the star wars music.
Feels like the Preds got a better return for Jeannot than the Sharks got for a top-15 winger in his prime. At least comparable. Shocked by both deals.
Bro you called the lighting “the caps”
as a preds fan this is such a dub bru
Wait are you and eckhartsladder the same guy?!?!
Fair trade, since that 1st round pick is protected.
I can’t remember the name of the song in the background and it’s killin me
Resonance by Home
@@soundescapemn resonance!! Yess thank you
It's weird that I kinda want the Rangers to get Kane but don't at the same time. Idk
Lightning & Panthers have such a huge advantage in free agency with Florida having no income tax that they should always be trading picks for players and stocking their teams thru free agency instead of the draft taking advantage of their massive free agency advantage.
You could say the same for Dallas,Nashville, Seattle and Vegas as well
Andreas Johnson is a LEAFS LEGEND
As a preds fan, we didn't want to see him go
I heard the music and thought I was on eckharts ladder for a sec
i'm basically watching this for the jofa helmet
I'm ngl, the return from the Sharks really pissed me off. I'm alright with it now, but I feel like we could have gotten more/something different from the Devils.
I love hockey, but I gotta admit so do not understand how trades, and picks work. Or the reasoning behind them through out the season.
Great break down though.
This... we gotta make the playoffs now. New York, be afraid. Jersey is knocking at your door.
Barry Trotz is off to a great start as a GM.
Nino Niederreiter got my ice hockey number on the Jets :)
Love the crowd defending this, especially those that are saying that most of those picks will not make the NHL.
They just traded for a guy that was not drafted and made the league still. You know what the odds are on players never drafted making the league? A lot lower than the non first round draft picks involved in the deal.
It might work out for Tampa in the end but it doesn’t make the trade a good one from their perspective. They severely overpaid for a third line, at best, player.
Take in Jeannot has the same amount of points as Puljujarvi
*Came for the horrendous trade. Stayed for the Macintosh Vaporwave. 🤷♂️*
Kinda shocked Carolina has yet to make any big moves with so much cap space and everyone else around them loading up
dunno what DW is doing... we needed Meier but now that is off the table, need Kane instead but still hearing he wants to go to the damn Rangers
The bolts have so much talent. They can trade away all their next picks for the next 5 years and they will be fine.
#heyEck
Soundtrack absolutely slaps, I have tons of these in a playlist from IG, YT and TikTok edits, I can send it to you
A *first round pick* for Tanner Jeannot??
I'm surprised no mention of JBB paying higher for players over the years, to bring in the talent, with hopes to keep them, and put on these deep runs. So far he's gotten the job done as the TBL have been a thorn in the side of many teams. However, I think the East is a bloodbath and this trade, while good in the long term, probably won't help much this season.
Jeannot is having a down year on team having a bad year, putting him on a good team with a line with Paul and Colton will be solid.
Jeannot is great but Foote and a 5th would have been fair, Foote and a 3rd would have been crazy
Rangers got Tarasenko and Patty Kane combined for less than TB paid for Jeannot lol
LETS GOOOOOO DEVILS LGD ITS TIMO TIME AND WE GOT SCOTT😈😈😈😈😈😈
Whatever you are loading up, NJ is going to fucking tear through NY in the playoffs. The boys are hungry and eager to start a dynasty. Make no mistake, there are some teams that can stop them. The Rags are not on of them though :P
GO BOLTS! ⚡️👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Bro putting up lucic numbers 💀
Wtf cal foote been really good
Pretty sure the better teams in the west are crossing their fingers that whoever they play in the cup final has a lot of injured players because frankly I don't see anyone in the west winning a Stanley Cup this year, which includes Vegas and Colorado. The cup will be won by any of the top 6 teams in the east.
you gonna credit the artist you used the music from orrrrrrrrr....?
i love you eck
Pretty sure it was a bit of payback for the McDonagh trade tbh. Pretty cool
That was a horrendous trade.
Tampa really doesnt need any draft picks atm. 🤷