The WORST NHL Trade Deadline Moves Ever! (Post Lockout)
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Trade deadline day in any major sport is always exciting, especially when it's your team looking to make a big move to help them get a chance at the cup. Unfortunately, some of these deals don't work out the way everyone hoped they would. Here are the WORST NHL Trade Deadline moves ever made.
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Why do you grade based on what a draft pick ends up being? They are complete unknowns, there's not even the slightest guarantee that the team would have picked tht player had they not made the trade.
I agree. Unless the draft pick ends up super high, like the Sharks who ended up giving up a top 3 pick in 2020 in the Karlsson trade, it's unfair to blame a team because a third round pick ended up being a superstar
@@estellegrignon why are u talking hockey? Im sorry ur dad didnt love u or mom called u ugly
@@slimmyhendrix94nobody asked u
right? giving up the third that drafted marchand isnt that bad because theres little to no chance they draft him and he finds the success he had and ALSO they had at least one or two previous chance to select him but no one knew he was that good
Yup absolutely crazy to rank trades based on what you could have got for a draft pick that’s like saying it’s stupid to spend money on gas when there could be a million dollar lottery ticket behind the counter.
I Have to argue the Detroit trading their 1st rounder to Tampa because at the time we had faith that Howard and Holland most likely wouldn't have drafted a goalie anyways.
Could you imagine how it would have reshaped the league if Holland passed on Vasilevskiy and a team like Pittsburgh, Boston, or Florida picked him up?
Truth
Holland is one of if not the most over rated GMs of all time. Its like he sold his soul to always end up in situations that made him look good but really...not so much.
@@ALetterP
1. Good profile name. Love it.
2. Holland needs to be understood for his strengths in addition to his weaknesses, He's poor at improving a situation he is handed. He is really good at sustaining a status quo. Give him a contender and he will keep them there for 5-10 years more than they can expect. But give him a bubble team and he will never take them to that next level.
@@LordBitememan After the old core unit from the glory days of the late 90s all headed into retirement. We saw the real Holland slowly come into the light throughout the 2010s. Making bad move after bad move until the Wings were no longer the "hey wanna come here for less cap but have a chance at a cup team? He sat on what appeared to be valuable players for years until they no longer had any value and only then moved them if he EVER did. He was never active at the trade deadline. But that was because every single player good enough to be a third line or third pair depth player got signed to some sweetheart 20 year NMC deal that absolutely no team would ever want. Thing is Holland was the ASSISTANT GM in 1997 when the Wings got their cup. All the groundwork was there for him when he took the official role. I feel like there are fans who could've kept the late 90s wings as competetive as he did until the start of the cap era. Factor in the INCREDIBLY fortune of finding Datsyuk and Zetterberg it becomes clear Holland never gets Detroit another cup after 02 and the Wings fall into the current obscurity years earlier.
Ryan Whitney was traded to Edmonton for Lubo Visnovsky at the next trade deadline one year later.
You cannot assume that if team A trades a lower-end draft pick to team B, and team B uses that pick to draft player A, that team A would have drafted player A in the first place. In all probability team A would have drafted someone else.
Especially when said player was available to team a with prior picks
Some remarks:
1. I'd have to look closer and refresh myself on the Theodore to Colorado trade, but judging it by wins & losses is a very incomplete way of looking at how well a goaltender worked out. Not that sv% and gaa are definitive in nature, but they would at least tell a better story of what happened than just wins & losses
2. I don't think it's fair to get into the "they traded a third round pick, which turned out to be THIS player!" type of stuff. At that point, you're no longer evaluating the trade, but the entire league's ability to draft. It gets even crazier when you reveal that the pick was then traded to another team before finally being cashed in. Honestly, unless the pick somehow happened to be a top 5 pick, its hard to hold it over a team's head unless the player they got in return truly flopped.
And then it gets even CRAZIER when you have to say stuff like, "so I know those picks didn't pan out, but look at who they COULD have selected instead!" is so far removed from "what a bad trade." I know its common to point out, "Wow, this team messed up with their third round pick by not selecting X, when the team right after them picked them instead" but I feel like that's always a very myopic way of looking at a draft. If you want to play the "what could have been" game, then you need to start re-ordering every draft class from who actually is the best to the worst and see what draft spot they fall into. When a guy falls into the third round who turns out to be a stud, that means its now a miss for all 32 teams, including the one who picked him, lol
But those exercises, while it could be fun, kind of run contrary to how drafts work, where we don't have hindsight. Again, outside of the first 5-10 picks, most years its often a bit of a crap shoot. While a good team of scouts is nice to have, the one thing more important than all else is just accumulating as many draft picks as possible. Its all a crap shoot, so buy yourself as many lotto tickets as possible and hope you strike gold. Boston wasn't brilliant in its selection of Marchand. They were just lucky. Similar to Detroit drafting Datsyuk & Zetterberg in the 6th & 7th rounds respectively.
3. And so finally, regarding the Detroit: Quincy for First Rounder trade. I still don't blame Detroit there. The team was coming at a crossroads. They transitioned beautifully from Yzerman & Fedorov to Datsyuk, Zetterberg & Lidstrom seamlessly. But the replacements for those three was looking grim. They had two paths: 1. Go all in on what's left and try to win as much as you can in your now limited time. 2. Pull the plug early and start rebuilding sooner than literally any other team ever has. Can't blame them for dishing out firsts to remain in the hunt. That trade definitely didn't pan out for them, but that's just the nature of the game, I guess.
I agree with 99% of what you said but I like to be a smart ass, so I'm apologizing ahead of time. "When a guy falls into the third round who turns out to be a stud, that means its now a miss for all 32 teams, including the one who picked him, lol." The first point is a bit realistic...A team waiting until later to select a player who ends up being a stud could be that they missed but it could be that they were very confident he'd still be available when they were drafting him later. Is it a miss if I have the first and third picks and I take Bedard first and Carlsson third if Carlsson ends up being great? I'm pretty confident Carlsson will be available at third pick and I know Bedard will be gone at that point so I'm going to draft them in that order. The other thing is the completely smart ass thing, and that's pointing out that Tampa doesn't currently have a pick until the 6th round of the upcoming draft so a player falling to the third round wouldn't be a miss by them.
@@jonmendelson1104 Yeah, I hear what you're saying about some of those late round picks. You hear it get talked about a ton in fantasy drafts, right? That you think the players you're drafting against are likely to overlook a particular talent, so there's no reason to draft that person so quick as you are gambling they'll be there later, so you take a different pick.
However.... I wonder how often this actually, truly happens in real drafts.
1. It's one thing to a gamble like that on a $100 fantasy league. A completely different concept when dealing with millions of dollars. If the most valuable asset in your eyes is available to you at that moment, take that asset while you can. Because...
2. I really don't think there are that many independent thinkers in the NHL anymore this year. Everyone's trying to do the same thing more or less. Maybe some details get tweaked here and there, but I'm guessing there really isn't THAT much of a difference in draft reports. Chances are if Yzerman's scouts found a diamond in the rough that won't go first round, but they suspect could be just as good as a first rounder, there's probably another GM out there who is thinking the same thing.
3. Just to slightly contradict the previous point of "its all the same", I mean, yes, of course there are going to be some differences. But I feel like we often only ever hear about a GM bragging when his late round hunches pan out. How many of them end up being busts that we never heard about? And even then, are we really to believe the GM making the pick actually knows something super hidden about a CHL prospect who has very unimpressive numbers? Yzerman can't possibly have time for super deep investigations like that, can he? It just doesn't ever seem particularly repeatable enough to actually be claimed as some sort of sneaky skill or talent.
I do get your point, there's probably some merit there. But my belief is still in that its mostly a number's game. Get as many picks as you can as early as you can. In the next three years, Nashville will have: 5 first rounders, 6 second rounders, 5 third rounders, & 6 fourth rounders. 22 picks in the first 4 rounds over 3 years. Chicago is also very similar in total counts, but with 6 first rounders in three years. Remember me seven years from now when people try to applaud the scouts on these teams for being "sooo good" at their jobs of being able to pick more people, haha
Regarding Tampa: Lol, I hope that uhhh....Tanner Jeanot (???) is worth it for them. I know I just got done supporting Detroit's decision in this video to trade picks for talent you hope will allow you to win immediately. But there's definitely limits to that, and trading an entire set of 1st through 5th round picks is not advisable for a bit player, lol. I think there might have been cheaper alternatives there, haha
@@IRanOutOfPhrases I think there's probably more of it than you think. Teams trade up because they think the guy they're targeting won't make it to their draft position but the other side of that trades back because they think their target will still be available and they can get additional assets along with their pick.
I fully agree with you that it's a numbers game. In regards to it being less independent thinkers, I don't think that's quite the case. With how the salary cap works teams know they need to have good scouting departments so you're less likely to find the hidden gem and have that person stay hidden from other teams.
Regarding Tampa, I fully agree but if they end up winning a cup then who cares about the bad draft? Eventually they're going to have to rebuild and it'll likely be a longer process because of these trades, but they have cups to show for it. I'm a Sharks fan and we gave up a lot of talent in the hopes of winning a cup and it never panned out. Now I'm hoping for a lot of losses so maybe we can get Bedard.
@@jonmendelson1104 I actually would be interested in seeing a vid/list/something of times when a team traded up in a draft for a third rounder and landed a hit. Sounds like hell to research though, ha
And yep, if you win a Cup, you win a Cup. Not much room to really complain. However, it's still quite wasteful, haha, and I'll be shocked if he pans out to be a key ingredient if they happen to win a Cup. I saw it said on Twitter recently: Every Cup winning team wins because of some players and in spite of others. I am prepared to lump Jeannot in the latter box haha
Sharks definitely got it rough. Hard to believe they were that good for so long, but never got a Cup. Hard to think of many other teams that were that close for so long but ultimately fell short. Considering all the BS they went through over the past decade+, I had no complaints about that 5 minute major they were granted against Vegas, haha
@@IRanOutOfPhrases It's actually not as hard to research as you might think. I went to capfriendly and plugged in "Event: NHL Draft" and "min number of picks: 2". Varying degrees of "landing a hit" of course, just skimming through and listing names that I recognize as hits (using the 3rd round as the earliest for nearly all of them). I'm also including situations where a team traded a 2012 6th or 7th to make a selection in the 2011 7th round. Also I'm not paying a ton of attention to the team that I'm saying drafted a player, sometimes the team trading back flips the pick again:
It did seem that the team moving back more often had a hit which fits your argument of more lottery tickets = more chances of hits (Leafs got Reimer in 06, Stars got Jamie Benn in 07, Caps got Holtby in 08 from a trade in 07, though that was a both sides hit since the Kings got Alec Martinez, Preds got Anders Lindback AND Craig Smith in the same trade in 08, Sharks traded their '10 6th for an '09 7th and the '10 6th was Mark Stone, the Kings got Kubalik from a trade in 2012, Rangers got Shesterkin, Islanders got Cirelli's pick - swapped it to TBL before the pick was used though, Coyotes got Hill, )
The Bruins traded up for Marchand in 06, the Kings got Alec Martinez in a win for both ends (mentioned above), the Caps got Grubauer in 2010, very end of the 2nd round the Wild got Zucker in 2010 (Donskoi was drafted on the other end but he wasn't signed until after he became a UFA), the Ducks got Josh Manson, Panthers got Weegar, Lightning got Point, Oilers got Stuart Skinner.
Ahhh, yes, CBJ legend Ryan Zingel.
I am surprised that you didn't mention San Jose Sharks, after that Tim Stutzle 3rd overall is doing incredible with 29 points, 2nd season 36 points, Noris, not good numbers in the first year but second season got 35 points and third season 55 points
That return was from the Karlsson trade, happened in September, not at the trade deadline
@m tk maybe not Trade Deadline but it sticks out before season started but I just throw it out there
Love the video. But I take exception in calling out Bernier as a Detroit fan. He put up crazy numbers in a historically bad defense. I hated to see him go but I understood the value.
There is the April 2013 trade where a desperate Washington Capitals GM traded Filip Forsberg (picked in the 1st round the previous summer #11) to Nashville for a couple of no-bodies. And there's gotta be a Chiarelli trade somewhere in this list.
Martin Erat was somebody, but not that person after the trade.
I believe that the third rounder Boston used in 2006 came from Edmonton in the Sergei Samsonov trade. Boston received a second rounder which they used to draft Lucic and the third rounder to draft Marchand.
Inaccurate on Whitney. He was traded in 2009 for Kunitz, not 2008. And he was traded in 2010 for lubomir visnovsky, as opposed to signing that offseason with Edmonton
If the Connolly trade is the worst the Bruins have done in the Cap Era, I'd say they've had a pretty good go of it for the last two decades.
Except you forgot the actual worst trade... SEGUIN
I loved seeing Neal play in the AHL Springfield Thunderbirds. He almost won us a cup but Alex Lyon was too good to get through and Chicago had way more gas in the tank and beat us in 5 games. It was still the best season last year.
Don’t think it’s fair to judge draft pick trades. Especially the ones like Marchand. Every team missed on him til the 3rd round, and the odds of a 3rd rounder or 5th rounder making the nhl are next to none.
What makes the vaselevski one worse was that Stevie y was tampas gm and fleeced ken Holland, the guy who refused a promotion so that Yzerman couldn't be Detroit's gm.
You could and should do a whole video on the Blackhawks over the last 10yrs. WOOF!
Yeah especially 2013 and 2015....just brutal years for them
I'm a Caps fan.
They've some stinkers well before the Forsberg debacle.
In the mid-80s, they sent goalie Malarchuk and a draft pick (I can't remember what round) to Quebec for Dale Hunter.
That draft pick turned out to be Joe Sakic.
At the end of the 80s, the Caps traded Gartner to the North Stars for Cicerelli.
Gartner would score career goal 500 as a Ranger.
Lastly, Bondra was shipped to Ottawa for "Turnover" Brooks Laich.
Not exactly the best trade for the then leading franchise goal scorer.
Just some food for thought.
fun vid, but I don't like the draft pick argument. even sometimes for first round picks. Detroit's being a prime example. had detroit not made that trade trying to keep their streak alive, they would likely not have selected a goaltender in the first round. Jimmy Howard was only 27 that season and playing well, in fact, you forgot to mention him as he played the following 8 seasons in detroit. They also had pick Petr Mrazek who was putting up good numbers in the OHL. They wouldn't have seen a reason to draft another goaltender with a first round pick in that draft. Thus, it's far more likely they would have drafted a forward or defenseman. One like Scott Laughton, Mark Jankowski, Olli Maatta, or Michael Matheson. Note, those were the next 4 picks after Vasilevskiy. Whereas yes, those players may still be useful and help, just bc they would have had that pick doesn't mean they'd take the same player.
Yes that last one does hurt but at the time it was a reach on Vas... Believe in Steve
Halak refused to play for the Sabres and were forced to ship him off for someone who would play.
wild hypothetical re-draft scenarios
Man. I guess I haven't followed the NHL that closely over the past 20 years.....in many of these trades, I haven't heard of any of the players involved.
Lol, you can't base trades on drafts, unless they are like top 10.
The first trade is incorrect. Ryan Whitney for Chris Kunitz was a 2009 trade, not a 2008 trade. Anaheim made it to the second round and lost to the eventual Western Conference Champs, the Detroit Red Wings. They were the eighth seed and lost in seven games, and it was one of the best series I've ever seen.
i stumble on a post from that Top 6 page hahaha wrong names,wrong trades probably created in India
You're assuming the islanders would select marchand
2:42 its roope not ruup and thats a pic of gurianov
As an Avs fan...they've had worse. Sending Robyn regher to Calgary for theo Fleury (who bolted in the offseason) vrbata for Battaglia, sending Barron to MTL etc. Theodore didn't cost all that much.
trades arent judged on who wasnt picked with the picks traded
Carter Hart in Boston would have made Boston even better, kinda scary , but Hart is a top 5 Goalie ...just on a very bad team !!
this is ridiculous. its all hindsight lol. who cares who these picks ended up being. no one knew at the time.
Counting a pick as the player chosen by Another team is not a lost/gained asset. Reg. Marchant coincidentally being chosen with a traded pick.
Capitals trading for Martin Erat was hideous!
hahaha didnt know we traded vasilevsky for quincey basically, thank god we have yzerman now lmao
You are the joy behar of hockey reporting
Good old Roop Hintz
-Kunitz wasnt that bad of a trade,dude was useless in Anaheim
-All draft picks traded cant be considered busts since nobody knows how they would have developped in the teams that traded them...if we take marchand for exemple,he would have never gotten that productive since ge wouldn't have played with Bergeron and Pastrnak by playing in a dumpster fire organization like the Coyotes.
And they say the mob runs nothing now days, but they grabbed Chara for nothing
Toronto and Foligno is also a nice story
“This was a bad trade cause (player name) was still on the draft table” can be said for everyone, you have no idea whether or not they would have been picked regardless. Great idea for a video though, badly executed here in what I'm going to assume is your first draft.
That's a pic of Denis Gurianov and not Roope Hintz.
Would be interesting to see each team's worst trade deadline transaction.
Massive reach on 2nd one
The Kunitz trade was in 2009, not 2008.
he makes mistakes every video he sucks
i think the bruins seguin trade was worse IMO
Yea so the bruins also missed out on Mathew barzal 😢 💔
I have differing opinions on the Dallas trade. We lost that trade big time, our GM was a dumbass. Trading a top-6 winger (Yes, he was already one in Dallas) and a top-4 dman for another top-4 dman was god awful. Goligoski was an alright defenseman, but there wasn't much difference between him and Niskanen. Neal would've helped us out a lot though. The only saving grace is that if we kept Neal, I'm pretty sure we would've signed him long-term and it wouldn't have worked out for us. We should've gotten picks instead.
The thumbnail 💀💀💀
I want to see the rest
Ah yes yotes an isles legend marshy….wait…. Wasnt he drafted by Boston…..
Seguin an Boston worst one
Pens legend
He didn’t play the 2017 playoffs
Chris for Pittsburg didn’t play that run
Your making a lot of assumptions on the draft picks…
Your Bruins one was trash and not a very good example to be honest.
Nice clickbait pal
What absolutely rubbish... Grading trades based on would've, could've, should've with the draft picks. Scraping the bottom of the barrel eh?
Formally the Winnipeg Jets
I remember them as the Phoenix Coyotes