The Difference Between The Segway & Sur-ron
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Sur-Ron: "We are from China"
Segway: "Hope you don't notice this is Chinese"
Well, almost everything American companies sell is made in China
Sur-ron used to be offered in red, green and blue colors. Now it's just boring, basic black.
snoozeflu If you’re not lazy or poor, can afford $3k+ bike, you can purchase vinyl wrap and customize it yourself and that is assuming you’re smart enough to realize this.
@@snoozeflu ebikezilla has them in a bunch more colors and they ship in Canada and US. You can email them if the shipping says it doesn't. That's what I had to do and I got the green one.
@@trsskater really cause when I tried around the same time last month they tried to charge me an extra grand on top of that or I just canceled it
you can control how the throttle, power, and regen on the segway via bluetooth on your phone.
The programmability of the Segway by phone is a nice feature along with the standard cable-less throttle. It would be nice to dial in exactly what regen and throttle reaction you desire.
Imagine how much better they will get in next few years with battery tech exploding ! 200km range and 15kw peak power as standard . Cant wait !
Electron Proton Neutron Mouron Kuberg already offers 14kw on their free rider. But, they cost almost twice the price of a Sur Ron and have fairly ugly design lines.
@Quirin M. My guy u can't compare a SurRon with a 450cc, the SurRon is the size of Mountain Bike and can actually be a legal e-bike if u get pedals and has the same power as a 125cc and a 50mph top speed (i don't think u can just transform a 125cc in a mountain bike, so that's the diff with the surron).... U should compare the ALTA dirt bike with a 450cc
Segway was originally an American company. It struggled being profitable and eventually was bought by the Chinese company Ninebot (the same co. that had been stealing segway's intellectual property for years). Ninebot now not only owns Segway, but is the largest share holder of Sur Ron. They are essentially the same bike. The main difference is that Sur Ron is made in China and Segway is still manufactured in the United States. That's why Segway is more expensive.
lol - I'd put money that (at best) the only thing 'made' in the states is some parts are assembled in the states, the bike itself and all major components are likely still china.
That's a pipe dream. This is a Sur-ron bike, no matter the sticker. It's built and stickered by Sur-ron in China. I could also order them and have my stickers put on them.
The Kuberg seems like the most fun. Test rode one and it was mind blowing
Id go with Sur Ron. Good job really, as I already have one :D
Researched this a while ago. Good vid.
Hello all
I just purchased the Segway x260 for 3,999.00 on BestBuy website. Out the door it was &4,300.00 with CA tax added ish! I should be getting it in two weeks. Yes it’s more then the Sur-Ron but I like that I can control futures over the app and color options I was able to choose from personal preferences I’d say.
You can get Sur Ron X in all the colors from ebikezilla. Unfortunately you can't control the features on an app with Sur Ron.
Lucky ! They charging 4,999 now
Update : now $6,500 on best buy
Saw 2 of these ripping down some fire roads I was on yesterday with my dirtbike. Looked really cool, had no idea they were electric!
what did you think they run with being so silent 😂
Even with how silent they are??
@@dexgray4581 I was on a dirtbike :D
I’ve been trying to find that second less beefy surron bike option and for some reason I can’t find it. Did they get rid of it? If not do you have a link to the cheaper option
Awesome review, thanks
I have both & the bikes are exactly the same except the Segway X260 has a larger battery with about 25 miles more range per charge. Segway has always been a "silent" partner of the SurRon company & yes the majority shareholder and has just decided to take over the brand as the majority shareholder under the Segway brand name. Put it this way if it weren't for Segway funding SurRon the bikes wouldn't exist!
sorry mate but no, same battery - same 60v 32ah - Segway just claims more range to make theirs sound better. if your getting that much more range then you've either got the small battery surron or there's something seriously wrong with its battery.
@@sn0wchyld A change to programming and small adjustments to thhe same elec motor could result in more range, not saying it is , but its possible and I havent seen the range disproven
@@OOrollins sure, but not 50-100% extra. that much gain would mean a kwh or 2 is going to heat in the 'surron' version... and that would result in a VERY hot motor or controller... because it has to go somehwere.
a few miles extra maybe... that much no chance without something being wrong on the low milage bike.
@@OOrollins There is a video of people testing Segway range and it didn't get as far as the claim.
Do you think that these could fit on a normal mountain bike tray rack in a 1.25" receiver?
Every bicycle manufacturer makes multiple price range bikes on the same frame/dimensions. You’re going to get the same numbers. The difference is in the components...which this video does not even mention, does one have better suspension, wheels, lights? Maybe, maybe not, can’t tell from this poor excuse of comparison.
Thank you so much for making this video
starts at 1:03
I got my Segway and I completely love it
Andre Trujillo I am thinking about getting one would you recommend it I would use it to get around off roading and tracks
It's by no means a bad bike. Actually, Segway is a great bike. It's just the same as the Sur-ron
Sonic Riders hi! Does the Segway actually makes 10 more miles in range?
Can't say for certain. Segway It claims it can, however I highly doubt that.
How long until you have to replace the battery completely ?
And can you ride this on the side walk like down town or will the po po bug you?
I own a Sur-ron at the moment. I have ridden on the sidewalk / road a bunch and have never been bugged by the police. I have over 1k miles on it too and it performs fine. I havent even notice any range reduction.
A lot of ebike brands do this. I've seen many different co buy Chinese bikes and just ad there name and ship them.. You can actually buy them directly from China and save about 15-30%. but shipping is expensive..
Luna Worked with Sur Ron for a couple years to develope and commit to hundreds of units to get that bike to a top quality bike. The guys at Luna really did a lot of work. Sad to see what could come of the Surron, Segway could pull their leverage and end the Sur Ron. If I was a capitalist pig, I would end all sales to Luna,,BUT IM NOT. I’m loyal to Luna for life.... they earned it, Segway just bought their way in......Lame....
Doesn’t matter how they got there, the only thing that matters is which one you get more value, and in Australia, the Segway is cheaper and it has more features so I’m going with that one. No hate on Sur ron, but her it’s more expensive
Nice comparison 👍🏻
The Segway has region downhill it charges itself it also has a bluetooth app that allows you to adjust work and overall motor output allowing you to adjust how hard the throttle takes off and how much power the motor puts out the Segway you can limit the amount of power the motor is putting out along with how fast it will accelerate basically Al hard the throttle hits when you gun it! Plus the regeneration when going downhill off throttle it will charge itself but it's very minimal basically it has regeneration in the Bluetooth app that allows you to control the torque and motor power for limiting depending on Rider. I don't know if that's worth the extra money or not but it is pretty cool
right wrist can do wonders.
Is the length of the bikes center of axle/ axle or outside tire/ tire. The Segway has a lot of bells and whistles I don't really see a need for. Things like those are what give up first.
Maybe you should've compared after purchase which company is better ie customer service, parts tech issues etx
youre right i do love the segway color scheme. i think the segway has an electronic throttle thats better and more control with the regen braking in the app. but def not worth the price increase.
Sur Ron X has a great electronic throttle with the controller that comes on them now. It's very responsive and the regen breaking can be adjust as well. Not as easy but you attach a wire to go into trouble shooting mode (comes with the bike) and then 1 to 3 short pulls and 1 long pull on your breaks and it changes between the 3 modes. The cable has a flashing light that will let you know it was set.
@@trsskater yeah I realize that now, I've been doing tons of research and now unfortunately china and luna cycle cant keep up with the demand or release any more XX versions. It's really pissing me off because I want to buy one this spring
Both are awesome 😂😂👍💚💚
What does the Segway 160. 260. delineate if anything?
Have both . Segway is actually principal co. that partnered w sur-ron before offering there own model. Programming /coding is written slighltly different for extended battery distance claims and throttle curves etc. Segway coding is bit more polished than sur-ron but in real world between both I notice no difference. I also got the sur-ron pedals installed on Segway
Do they weigh the same?? Or different materials ?
This shows how name branding works. Same exact product, 39% more expensive.
Steve where did you see that? I bought the X160 for my boy two weeks ago(when you made this comment), and it was $3499
Car companies do this all the time
@@The13point1 you can buy the sur ron version for 1400 on alibaba
Steve shipping and customs from alibaba were $1200. Luna was like 6 or 8 weeks out. Ultimately I should have gotten the X, oh well... ☹️
pls no you can’t
Surron, Luna mine was delivered today
How long did delivery take
How long did it take from you ordering it because I bought mine yesterday
@@zachowns1023 how long did it take for yours to be delivered, says 9 more days for me just ordered one
It took about 6 weeks from order day
Most of the issues I had was with fedex letting it sit in transit and saying it will ship the next day then canceled but eventually I got it
Lmao they just were like "yo imma do that now"
They’re major stockholders in the company
Segway range may be better as is has a tweekable power and response along with selectable re-gen, done via an app.
Steve you can always get the cheaper version if your pockets aren’t deep enough cause that’s what I’d do
its range isn't better. It's just false advertisement they can get away with since range is dependent on too many factors. Sur Ron might be estimating at a more reasonable 30 mph average speed as where segway might be estimating at 15 mph just to make it look better to justify the higher price.
I bought Segway x160 on indiegogo for $2500. Love it!
Yes they are both super fun bikes!
Anatoly Matula link?
I got a serious question how fast does it feel like what cc bike can you compare it too like 110cc 125cc
BUDDA602 AZ 110cc
Its like a 125cc 4 stroke... lil more than a 110 i think since its way faster than my friends 110cc uphill.
i did my pre-order june 30th for the surron!!!!...only possible reason i can see for goin with the segway is.... if the delivery date is not acceptable from surron.... but i'll wait a couple weeks 2 save a $1400.00.....lololol
So what's up with the Segway App? I bought a Luna X Sur Ron after learning about them... thanks to Segway. I'm stoked on Luna and their service and knowledge, 100%. I saw some shit about being able to tune the controller with the App. Not that I need another App or want one to control my bike... just curious.
As far as I know, you can control certain features on the bike and upgrade the controller maybe? Not %100 sure
is there a difference between Sur-Ron X, Sur-Ron firefly and Sur-Ron light bee? i can't seem to spot the difference i only hear the different names from time to time. I'm looking to buy one in the near future but i only seem to find the firefly, no light bee, no X. the only different one I've seen is the storm bee but not for sale
Not including the Storm Bee, they're only 2 surrons you can buy right now. The Sur-ron Light Bee and the Sur-ron X. The only difference is the controllers. The Light bee is Sur-rons first gen bike and has a 'stock' controller on it. The Sur-ron X is 2nd gen and has the 'X' controller on it. The X is a faster, updated version of the 1st gen.
@@electricisbetter oh ok i see, i'm still trying to learn about them before buying one do you have any general things to look out for like shoud i buy it new or look for a used one?
@@Max-ju6in if it were me, I'd probably looked for a used one. Generally speaking, the bikes themselves are almost flawless almost never have issues. If you go used, I'd would ask about the battery over anything else. Does it stop charging before reaching %100? Or does the power cut off before hitting %0? Range they are getting on it ext. Be prepared to drive to pick it up too. Most people won't ship it to you.
On the other hand, they bike from Luna Cycle is on sale right now NEW for 3.6k and they ship it to your door. And Luna is very good company to go through and help you with any questions.
@@electricisbetter alright, thanks so much for taking the time to answer my questions
Electric Is Better why does it cut off the comments?
Id take the vector vortex
I was wondering the difference so Thank you. Sur Ron better choice. 10 more miles isn't worth that price for the Segway
it won't go 10 more miles that's just there so it can be a little different and to justify the bigger price.
i wait a tesla model!
i belive to have read elon doesnt wanna do bikes
@@fetB yeah he said he will never do motorcycles because they are too dangerous, but he once tweeted he might consider a dirt bike for off road use. and then theyre doing the atv obvi
Do you know of any differences in the BMS and Controllers? Supposedly the x260 has a 100 amp controller and the Sur Ron has 80 amp. Similar I heard the Sur Ron's BMS prevents anything higher than 80 amps unless you go Sur Ron XX or aftermarket, where as the x260 uses all 100 amps.
I've read this in quite a few places but haven't seen a thing official from either source. Just curious what you've heard.
This is the first I've heard of that. I know for sure the surron x controller is limited to 80amps, but I'm not 100% on the x260. If I had to guess, I'd said it isn't true, both are the same I think. The only thing I'm aware of the x260 having that the X doesnt is that it has an app to I just regen levels with.
Motorino in Vancouver has the segways and surrons priced the same
they only have the SurRon as far is see
Is the Sur Ron battery swappable also?
yes
Segway has electronic throttle, front fender, rear mud guard, chain guard, and the Bluetooth app. That is the main difference.. Unless that app is worth $1000, the upgrades aren’t worth it. You can buy the fenders and guards and an electronic throttle for a couple hundred bucks. All suspension is DMN on the Segways that I’ve seen in person, so the exact same as my SurRon, the Segway has a red spring though.
Sur Ron has all of that minus the app.
@@trsskater 9 months ago they had cable throttle, and they still don’t come stock with the front fender or chain guard, or rear hugger plastic
@@Abstract180 mine came with those and a pedal kit. But even luna has all of that minus the pedal kit since the summer of 2020 when I got it.
@@trsskater not the plastics
Btw Segway is now $3500 so what would you do? I'm about to pull trigger
I personally have owned a surron for almost 2 years. They both will be awesome bikes but I'm not sure how Segway deals with there's customers since I've never bought from them. I bought mine from Luna Cycle in CA and they've been great to deal with. Any questions I had about the bike, parts I wanted or help I needed. They are a very good company to go threw.
@@electricisbetter thank you for responding! I've just read a lot of comments regarding their CS and issue with parts. Honestly regardless of name my bike will never hit courses or anything really Moto style. Just a fun all terrain bike to rip up my fields on. Glad to read you have a good relationship with them. I wonder if the Segway bikes come with all the extra upgrades parts listed in the current black edition SurRon....?
Be careful, Segway is selling a cheapo 48volt version for that price. The real deal bike that is NOT aimed at literal children costs five grand from segway.
TLDR Segway's $3500 bike is a super slow weak, tiny battery low voltage TOY that is made with the same frame. The wheels are also smaller to lower the bike for kids.
I think the app the Segway x260 makes it worth it alone especially if it helps not having to cut any wires and help with security
You don't have to cut any wire with 2020 and newer. It comes fully unlocked.
1400$ for an app...yep worth it 😅
Do i need a motorcycle driver license in CA
youtube algorithm showed me this and I love this Sur-ron. But it is over my budget. Can you review X-Class from Ariel Rider E-bikes ?
ha! put it this way I got an xclass when they first came out and now I reallly want one of these! AR X class is awesome for around town and off road stuff with better tires just slower by half but it may actually climb better, if helped by pedals gears and assist --- considering its half price that's about what one would expect though
Are they both waterproof?
Its pretty waterproof except the battery.... it can get rain on buuuut if water gets underneath the lip it shorts out the bat, so basically if u drop the whole thing in water the battery is donezo... ive seen it on yt before.
@@fatguyonalittlebike3336 To be fair, his battery case was cracked wide open and he dropped it into a surf of salt water. It doesn't get worse than that!
I feel like the segway actually uses the older NON "x" controller and that's how they get the extra few miles...
Doubt it, sin wave controllers are inherently more efficient than a square wave
I have one it is an X controller
You should never trust a manufacturer's range claim. Look at the battery watt-hours. All things being equal, more watt-hours = more range. Period. Segway's claim of greater range is easily manipulated, because there is no standard testing cycle for range claims.
can you put a 72v battery in the segway x260
Yes, but your probably want an upgraded controller
Where are you finding the sur on so cheap??
Lunas was that price, but it's since increased due to the pandemic. Shipping prices have increased so the price of the bike increased as well
I'll be paying more for the segway. The app control and colors appeal to me I will be buying the x160 not the x260
If you value Segway's brand recognition, style, possibly better support and smartphone app for spend the extra money.
I want to buy the one that can be titled and legally street driven.
skipsterz - I suppose that depends on your state. In Texas, you can register any of these. The only requirements for motorcycles is a headlight/tail light. You're not required to have a speedo or blinkers although I deffinitely would install some. Just go down to your county tax office and say you want a licensed plate for your dirt bike to make it street legal. They'll have you fill out a form and ship you some fresh plates a few weeks later in the mail. Then you'll have to add any gear to meet local requirenents like blinkers, horn, ect. Then, you go get it inspected just like a car....Done!
@@__-pl3jg same for CA btw
@@__-pl3jg makes me want to move to the USA... so much easier than AUS (plates, lights, mirrors, speed restriction, kickstand, kickstand cuttoff... lights need to be so wide they stick 50mm out each side of the bike...) pita. And no way to do it yourself... only if you can buy commercial with such stuff installed. registering your own is several thousand in fees/inspections.
skipsterz get a pedal kit
xIrfan a working pedal system is required for an unregistered bike to be street driven and limited to a top speed of 20 mph! For that price, we should be able to register the bike and not be limited to 20 mph! That’s the entire point!!
So, "Segway" stickers are most expensive sickers in th world?)) $3600 Sur Ron+"Segway" stickers = $ 4800?
Where to get one in Canada
Pretty sure Luna ships to Canada!
Motorino in Vancouver. 2nd and Cambie area.
Thanks
Took one for a ride at motorino in Vancouver yesterday. Both the segways and surrons are priced the same there.
I was also very underwhelmed with the performance. They told me it was cuz it's there test bike and it gets a bit of abuse but really... that tiped the scale for me. Did not blow my hair back. Think I will be sticking with gas for the time being
@@lilbluechev Exactly the same for me. They have two bikes, one with slicks. One has a different sprocket but ya, for 5k I was very happy to walk away from that with my money still in my pocket.
Sur-ron I have 2 😁
Awesome! Hey do you need to register it along with the DMV, plus need an insurance, license plate etc? Thanks a lot!
Segway just saw the profits sur ron was making and just made their own because they can because they are major share holders.
Sur ron cheaper and better than segway.
LOL S your trolling! Put it this way if it weren't for Segway backing SurRon as a silent partner SurRon wouldn't even exist. Wow you really are very upset but you shouldn't be. Just go ride & enjoy your bike.
I'M 1 WEEK AWAY FROM ORDERING THE "BLACK_EDITION".......... STOKED AZ FUK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Luna Cycle is the place to get your Sir Ronnie
ebikezilla is better. You can get all the colors. They are both good to check out for having different accessories though.
That discount code does not work
Sur-Ron it is 😂
Segways controller to edit the bike is all through the app
Omg the worse rushed comparison ever 😫
What makes you say that?
The segway is on indigogo for 3499
Aaron Pantell For the X160. The X260 (Sur Ron equivalent) is $4999. So, $1400 more for paint and a Segway decal. And honestly I’ll bet the DNM suspension is quite a bit better than Segway in house suspension.
Still?
Charles joseph it was on indigogo not segways site.it was the 260 for 3499 early bird price.the promo is over now.also the segway has torque and power adjustments,and you can also turn off regeneration so no motor breaking.
Don't know how you get those prices, but in Europe the Segway is cheaper
Luna Cycles in California sells the Sur Ron. $3600 is their current price on it.
Segway’s website shows $4999.
I don’t understand.. electric mountain bike? Or replacing dirt bikes
Dirt bike
What I want to know is can a 6ft4in 230lbs person ride this thing it looks small but I can't tell
I love the size. However im 6' 1" and 150lbs
Can you make these street legal?
Probably in Ghana.
I actually found a Segway for $3,000. Looks to be same body style. Its listed on a BEST BUY website. I have yet to call the number listed for more info...I was going to 20 minutes ago but have been caught up watching many Sur Ron and Segway reviews. Also, about a month and a half ago I saw on the news, Segway was done. More than likely, it was with their Segway. Being that they are in Partnership now with the Sur Ron. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe I heard that Segway had something to do with the batteries specifically, on these bikes.
I was looking at the one Best Buy listed as well. It's the XT160 with 17" tires.
Sur ron mate
They both look like they could only support someone under 6 feet.
Sur Ron
What Segway is doing is not how you compete for market shares.....
🤣
It you buy the Segway just for the name..paying more for the same bike....stupid you.
But still interesting to see something happening in that segment. Still watching from the sidelines.
Bruh any electric pit/dirt bike for under £1000
Sur ron makes the segway x260
Segway you can change regenative breaking on the phone, unlock speed parameters from phone, charging of battery limits from phone, and a few other things.
Suron you have to literally clip wires and by-pass wires to unlock stuff.......so if you are okay with messing with electronics go with suron if not? Go with segway
They are just rebranded, which simply means reboxed and new stickers. Most products out of China are done this way. Been happening for years. You don’t even need to own stock in a company to do it.
Thank you for making this video. I'll be buying the Surron instead of the Segway. Segway is owned by a Chinese company now, and tbh I don't trust China. Plus the all black looks way better, and the supposed 10 extra miles is probably a lie.
Poop !
ur video dement-ions are way off kinda cheesy
not bad for a cheap chines bike to slow and to small for most people and to slow not legal in many western countries on the road or paved areas, my old motorbike is faster in first gea
it is a dirt bike.
Looks like Segway is just a money grab.
Dude, why don't you just leave the specifications on length, weight, etc. on the screen rather than vocalize it? Your review changes from a neutral 3rd-party informative review to an informercial with your style, constantly cutting to action videos. LAME.